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Originally posted by 505G:
Michael

That comment of mine was directed at RIP,
not you. I know you are not in the bullet business,
just providing a superb service to hunters with
your testing.


I enjoy our, sometimes heated, discussions on here

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Originally posted by capoward:
Tanz,

Michael already has a 6.5 WSM in the house so no need for the 270 WSM...

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Originally posted by brent ebeling:
A 6.5, well next thing you know he will be hunting white tails!

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Originally posted by srose:
Michael just has those small bores there for the actions to build big bores. He won't hunt whitetails because he would have to clean them.

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Originally posted by capoward:
Tanz,

Michael already has a 6.5 WSM in the house so no need for the 270 WSM...

JChrist Jim, did you have to tell the whole world?

Jim
"Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid"
John Wayne

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Originally posted by 505G:
RIP

LOL


OK, got it, everything starts with
RATS - 375 and goes up from there

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Originally posted by michael458:
OK OK OK---I am going to fess up on a few things, just to clear the air once and for all!

Small bores I mess with, sometimes, but not very often, and they bore the hell out of me. Used to, if I wanted to do any small bore work, I had to take at lest 3-4 rifles to the range, one being the small bore, others big bores, shoot a little with the small bore and gather data, shoot the big bores to keep my interest up. I have had some small bores that never got 20 rounds through them before I quit with them because of lack of interest!

223 Remington--obvious reasons, mostly the rifles that come in 223. I do have a couple of new/old bolt guns, M70s with 1:8 twists that I have been playing with from time to time.

223 WSSM--That little 22 inch Ultimate. That little tiny speed demon, can't believe how fast it can run things in that little rifle. What does one do with it--I don't know, I only have one, and that is more than needed, but makes a good test gun for hi velocity 223s.

25 WSSM--Strictly because of the 22 inch Ultimate. 25 is getting big enough to hammer those really big rats one runs across from time to time, and the rifle is so tiny, light and easy to carry. I have only one of these, more than enough.

6.5X55 Swede Win M70---This is Moms rifle! It's mild, she loves it, it's a FeatherWeight Stainless, no big noise, no recoil, nothing about it scares her, and with the right bullets she can put it to work for her.

6.5 WSM--Yes, I have two of these. 6.5 has intrigued me a bit, and since I won't have anything here in between this and .308 it works. First one of these I blew Up! The only rifle I have ever blown! I was on the PHONE--Loading 6.5 WSM Test Loads! Distracted. I forget exactly what H powder I was supposed to be using, but used a heavy dose of H-4198 instead! Not Good! I still have that case, and that action here as a reminder.

Built a 6.5 WSM FeatherWeight after that. I don't shoot small bores well at all, and I have no patience with that tiny barrel heating up. But in 2008 when I took the boys to South Africa for their first plains game hunt I figured that was a good time for them to try it out. I had a 120 gr Barnes TSX loaded to a bit over 3300 fps. They used it on warthogs, impala, hartebeast, bushbuck, and probably some other things. It was hammer and dropped these species in their tracks. I was actually impressed with it's performance! I would have never figured! I took the boys and sit at a water hole and was going to shoot a piggy for myself with it. This was the only rifle we grabbed off the truck. Sitting there not long and damned if here didn't come 5-6 wildebeast! Well, I love to shoot wildebeast, and the closer the biggest bull got, I could not contain myself any longer and busted him when he got to about 15 yards! He did not go 20 yards and piled up stone cold! Again, I was rather impressed with the performance of the cartridge and the bullet!

Did not care for that little light barrel, so I had Brian build a heavier barrel version some time later, and it's the one I have been using to test the Raptors and other bullets.

Skip every caliber up to .308. And I don't care much for this caliber either. I have a couple of 308s, and a couple of 300 Winchesters. They don't see much use other than test guns.

338s! I got lots' of 338s--338 Winchester, 338/06 For Sale, 338 WSM, 338 Ultra. Because of the 9.3 B&M these won't be going out anymore. Too big, too long. But have hunted a good bit with 338 caliber.

.358! Got lot's of 358s. Like 358 better than 338. Had 35 Whelen-gone now, have 358 STAs, and 358 Utlras. Shot a hell of a lot of beasts with 358 STA in the day. Just excellent, again, 9.3 B&M being able to out perform it with the Raptors, and being so much smaller, these 358s will never see the field either.

So there, those are my rat guns. They don't get a lot of attention unless I am testing something these days.

I don't hunt deer and anything of that size I can use the 9.3 to better effect on anything, and the rifle is actually smaller and lighter than even the small bores, and far more effective. I am not much of one to shoot and have to follow a blood trail. I would just as soon put these smaller critters in the dirt right where they stand and be done with it. Following up these sort of things takes time away from doing real things! So not many small bores in my future, not in the field anyway!

M

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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:
Ya know Michael, all this talk of rat calibers has got me to thinkin. Suppose I were to build a double rifle in 375Win, a nice rimmed straight wall case. Would the 230gr Raptor suffice for buff?

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ZZZZZZzzzzzz Someone wake me up when we get back to the interesting calibers. You know, those that start just over .40"!!

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How many has Mercedes moved to her rack for 'rat' shooting?

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Originally posted by michael458:
.....So don't go anywhere!

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Originally posted by michael458:
OK OK OK---I am going to fess up on a few things, just to clear the air once and for all!

Small bores I mess with, sometimes, but not very often, and they bore the hell out of me. Used to, if I wanted to do any small bore work, I had to take at lest 3-4 rifles to the range, one being the small bore, others big bores, shoot a little with the small bore and gather data, shoot the big bores to keep my interest up. I have had some small bores that never got 20 rounds through them before I quit with them because of lack of interest!

223 Remington--obvious reasons, mostly the rifles that come in 223. I do have a couple of new/old bolt guns, M70s with 1:8 twists that I have been playing with from time to time.

223 WSSM--That little 22 inch Ultimate. That little tiny speed demon, can't believe how fast it can run things in that little rifle. What does one do with it--I don't know, I only have one, and that is more than needed, but makes a good test gun for hi velocity 223s.

25 WSSM--Strictly because of the 22 inch Ultimate. 25 is getting big enough to hammer those really big rats one runs across from time to time, and the rifle is so tiny, light and easy to carry. I have only one of these, more than enough.

6.5X55 Swede Win M70---This is Moms rifle! It's mild, she loves it, it's a FeatherWeight Stainless, no big noise, no recoil, nothing about it scares her, and with the right bullets she can put it to work for her.

6.5 WSM--Yes, I have two of these. 6.5 has intrigued me a bit, and since I won't have anything here in between this and .308 it works. First one of these I blew Up! The only rifle I have ever blown! I was on the PHONE--Loading 6.5 WSM Test Loads! Distracted. I forget exactly what H powder I was supposed to be using, but used a heavy dose of H-4198 instead! Not Good! I still have that case, and that action here as a reminder.

Built a 6.5 WSM FeatherWeight after that. I don't shoot small bores well at all, and I have no patience with that tiny barrel heating up. But in 2008 when I took the boys to South Africa for their first plains game hunt I figured that was a good time for them to try it out. I had a 120 gr Barnes TSX loaded to a bit over 3300 fps. They used it on warthogs, impala, hartebeast, bushbuck, and probably some other things. It was hammer and dropped these species in their tracks. I was actually impressed with it's performance! I would have never figured! I took the boys and sit at a water hole and was going to shoot a piggy for myself with it. This was the only rifle we grabbed off the truck. Sitting there not long and damned if here didn't come 5-6 wildebeast! Well, I love to shoot wildebeast, and the closer the biggest bull got, I could not contain myself any longer and busted him when he got to about 15 yards! He did not go 20 yards and piled up stone cold! Again, I was rather impressed with the performance of the cartridge and the bullet!

Did not care for that little light barrel, so I had Brian build a heavier barrel version some time later, and it's the one I have been using to test the Raptors and other bullets.

Skip every caliber up to .308. And I don't care much for this caliber either. I have a couple of 308s, and a couple of 300 Winchesters. They don't see much use other than test guns.

338s! I got lots' of 338s--338 Winchester, 338/06 For Sale, 338 WSM, 338 Ultra. Because of the 9.3 B&M these won't be going out anymore. Too big, too long. But have hunted a good bit with 338 caliber.

.358! Got lot's of 358s. Like 358 better than 338. Had 35 Whelen-gone now, have 358 STAs, and 358 Utlras. Shot a hell of a lot of beasts with 358 STA in the day. Just excellent, again, 9.3 B&M being able to out perform it with the Raptors, and being so much smaller, these 358s will never see the field either.

So there, those are my rat guns. They don't get a lot of attention unless I am testing something these days.

I don't hunt deer and anything of that size I can use the 9.3 to better effect on anything, and the rifle is actually smaller and lighter than even the small bores, and far more effective. I am not much of one to shoot and have to follow a blood trail. I would just as soon put these smaller critters in the dirt right where they stand and be done with it. Following up these sort of things takes time away from doing real things! So not many small bores in my future, not in the field anyway!

M

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Originally posted by michael458:

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How many has Mercedes moved to her rack for 'rat' shooting?

Mercedes first one was one of those Pink Crickets 22 lr!

Her next step up is Gun #1 50 B&M Super Short--the guns are about the same size! HEH HEH..........

Jim
"Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid"
John Wayne

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Think of the hollow point ogive tip in a non functioning hollow point brass BBW 13 with a hole too small and too shallow to function as a Non Con but get there quick and fast

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a copper version BBW 13 with a slightly less depth round hole could act as a nice mono metal expanding with the expansion aiding qualities of that tip. Think of it as a higher retained velocity cup point solid

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As I put the rifle, a loaner .375 H&H with 250 grains Barnes X-bullets on to the sticks the bull turn and faces us. As the bull advances towards us shaking his head back and forth, BLANK tells me to take him in the chest. My shot at 30 yards knocks the bull down but he gets right back up. As the bull staggers, I expect him to fall again, he doesn't. I shoot a second time, breaking his left shoulder. He walks away and I shoot again, behind the left shoulder, about 6" further back than I wanted to. The bull continues to walk away from us, stopping to feed a little. I shake my head not believing how tough these buffalo are.

We move our position and I shoot the buffalo for the fourth time, breaking his right shoulder. He refuses to go down so I put another bullet into his right shoulder. Still on his feet, the bull turn towards us, advances, and falls after a couple of steps. As we move to the side to finish the job, he somehow gets to his feet, trying to get to us. At the sixth shot, he again drops to never get up again. After the seventh and final shot the bull lets out three death bellows as his life ends.

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Yeah Boy, I really want a 375 Now!

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Originally posted by prof242:
And a light .375 bullet at that! Make me think of the phrase business owners used, paraphrased, its Bullet, Bullet, Bullet, especially in lower end calibers.
Uh, hey RIP, maybe I should go from the .395 up to one of your new wildcats?

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oking aside, so will a .375 with proper bullet at proper speed, in proper place.
They work well on things bigger than rats.
Better than a 9.3!!!

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Joking aside, so will a .375 with proper bullet at proper speed, in proper place.
They work well on things bigger than rats.
Better than a 9.3!!!

BS BS BS BS--I call BS on that. Not 2 cents worth of difference between .366 and .375. Neither fit to be Buffalo stompers! Excellent Big Rats, plains game, elk, moose, bear and so forth--Not buffalo! Bullets make a difference for sure and enhance as well, we all know. However, even then, you move up in caliber with the same superior bullet--this is where the big difference starts to show, in "Caliber" for buffalo.

Going to .395 is a vast improvement I would venture, over .375. As I believe so is .416.

And don't always listen to the PH! 150 yards is too far, and out of control for most chances of a second or third shot if things go wrong! As you already know! While I have not shot buffalo at 150 yards, I have listened to the PH at times when I KNEW BETTER, and damn it all, did it anyway, and guess what, it did exactly what I thought it would do, and then we had problems to sort out! Fortunately, we sorted them out, but at some point we must realize there are some things we know better than the PH does! Especially tech stuff.

M