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Originally posted by rbrowntx:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by tasunkawitko:

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Originally posted by rbrowntx:

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Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
KS asks a good question, guys....

Not really

not really? only when you are too chickenshit to consider that your position might be wrong.

dont get wrapped. he's not real. 61 post in 3 years. hes an alter ego for another member whos got his mouth full of foot right not.
bet on it.

Sorry I read more than I post.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by rbrowntx:

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Originally posted by tasunkawitko:

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Originally posted by rbrowntx:

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Originally posted by tasunkawitko:
KS asks a good question, guys....

Not really

not really? only when you are too chickenshit to consider that your position might be wrong.

I just thought it was funny how KS asks a question, then TS is there to pat him on the back "good question buddy". Hell I dont know why they use the B&C Scale. Maybe just cause most are familiar with it.

why doesnt B&C or P&Y accept fenced deer?

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
I already knew.
I wonder if our experience Big Game hunters of yore with thier $7500 deer know.
Unethical “Canned†Shooting (Improperly referred to as “canned†hunting.)
The Boone and Crockett Club condemns the pursuit and killing of any big game animal kept in or released from captivity to be killed in an artificial or bogus “hunting†situation where the game lacks the equivalent chance to escape afforded free-ranging animals, virtually assuring the shooter a certain or unrealistically favorable chance of a kill.

Genetic Manipulation of Game Animals
The Boone and Crockett Club condemns artificial and unnatural enhancement of a big game species’ genetic characteristics. Unacceptable practices for genetic enhancement include, but are not limited to, artificial insemination, controlled or unnatural breeding programs, cloning, and translocation of breeding stock for canned shooting purposes.


Thank You, Thank You...
and that boy and girls is why I only do one show a night.

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Originally posted by rbrowntx:
So, all your post were to prove you are a better hunter than the guy that shot the buck on the first page? Oh, and you think high fences are wrong. Is that your point?

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by rbrowntx:
So, all your post were to prove you are a better hunter than the guy that shot the buck on the first page? Oh, and you think high fences are wrong. Is that your point?

i thought you said you read. maybe you should back up.
no, i didnt say that. i dont know that man.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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I'm a 19 year old sophomore in college.

well, i want you to think about something since your so worldly and smart about hunting.
when you were born i was your age.
exactly were did you glean all this knowledge of hunting whitetails from in this, what 8 years of hunting, maybe?
i have only been hunting whitetail for 25 years.
your just like one of those big racked dolts cruising around the pen right now. just remember that the rack dont make the man. as i said in an earlier post, the dominant buck isnt always the one w/ the biggest rack.
FMC,
you may be right i might not know shit about deer hunting. but i have alot less to learn now than i did 25 years ago because i hunt real deer. wild deer. not hand fed, pen raised gentetic mutations with ear tags and radio collars and AKC pedigree's.
and next year i know a little more.
what exactly does that $15000 check buy a man other than a mount?
what does he learn about deer sitting up 25' in that blind overlooking a feered bullshitting with a paid guide and looking over trailcam pics of potential victims?

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Originally posted by JTEX:

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if a montanan, a south calinky man, a minnesotan and several others from across the country can agree long enough to say that what's going on in texas borders on unethical, then perhaps you should at least pause long enough to consider it.

it may not be going on everywhere in texas, nor is it being done by everyone in texas, but it is ruining the sport; all i am asking of you is that you project some of these practices 50 years into the future and think about it.

I have been following this thread through all 5 pages, like most of the posters, I feel passionatly about this subject also. I think where most people get lost and fly off the handle is when it gets to TEXAS this TEXAS that. Guys this ain't only a TEXAS thing! It is happenig all over the U.S.. I agree based upon my limited experience, that it "may" be happening more in some places than others. I have not hunted in but 6 states out of our 50. From watching TV hunting shows and reading hunting magazines I do know that this "high fencing" happens in other states as well as Texas. Some on these two posts have seemed to construe that this only happens in TEXAS, that's wrong. I think that restricting the movement of "Native" game animals is wrong no matter what state you are in. I believe that when you fence them in you are, in fact, taking these animals into possession. How could you argue otherwise? They are no longer free to leave your property.
If you care about this issue you need to convince others by intelligent dialogue not name calling. When you say Texas has to do this Texas has to do that, it is name calling, flat and simple. We who care about wildlife, hunting and our rights have to be above this, especially if we want anything done about it.
Now as to the long term affect of this I have no concrete evidence. But one young Laddie here states that his family is going to buy a 300-500 acre ranch and high fence it. They are going to sell off the excess bucks under 200" ( yes he said 200" )he even has a price structure set, up to 150" so much, then 150" to 170" so much more, even 170" to 190" a lot more, sounds kind of retail to me. He states that they are going to do this to offset the costs of this fence they are going to have built. This is ludicrous, fence in our deer and sell them to pay for his families fence? Can I sell some deer to pay for my roof? Now on three hundred acres how many deer do you think the natural habitat can support? At one deer per 26 ( which is one formala I have seen used for a specific region in the state ) acres you could support 19.23 off of 500 acres. How many deer do you think you will have in your herd to produce these monsters? How many will you have to sell to pay for your fence. Wait that's not the meat of the question. I am sure you would plan on having more deer than that and that means a deer population larger than the land can naturally sustain. That's fine while your Dad has enough money to pay for supplemental feeding. But what happens if God forbid your Dad has a bad year, and feed prices are too high or the well goes dry. These deer are contained behind a high fence? They can't leave. They are not cattle you can sell off.
What you gonna do are you gonna tear down the fence? Are you gonna release your cash crop of 200" deer so they don't starve or die of thirst?
In my book independant thought and the ability to use reason and logic is the most important sign of maturity.

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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I'm a 19 year old sophomore in college.

well, i want you to think about something since your so worldly and smart about hunting.
when you were born i was your age.
exactly were did you glean all this knowledge of hunting whitetails from in this, what 8 years of hunting, maybe?
i have only been hunting whitetail for 25 years.
your just like one of those big racked dolts cruising around the pen right now. just remember that the rack dont make the man. as i said in an earlier post, the dominant buck isnt always the one w/ the biggest rack.
FMC,
you may be right i might not know shit about deer hunting. but i have alot less to learn now than i did 25 years ago because i hunt real deer. wild deer. not hand fed, pen raised gentetic mutations with ear tags and radio collars and AKC pedigree's.
and next year i know a little more.
what exactly does that $15000 check buy a man other than a mount?
what does he learn about deer sitting up 25' in that blind overlooking a feered bullshitting with a paid guide and looking over trailcam pics of potential victims?

KSTEPHENS,

See........you can't even keep yourself from jumping to conclusions about me. FYI, I've been actively hunting Whitetails for 12 years (not 8). I killed my first buck (a 5 pointer) at age 7. I have hunted other critters (squirrels and rabbits) since age 5. Just because I advocate high fenced hunting doesn't mean that's all I do. In fact, of the dozen or so Whitetails I've killed....... 0 (yes 0) have been killed behind high fence. I don't usually sit in box blinds. We scout for months and hang "lock-on" stands and use tripods in thick brush, etc.... So don't judge me, you don't even know me.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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I'm a 19 year old sophomore in college.

well, i want you to think about something since your so worldly and smart about hunting.
when you were born i was your age.
exactly were did you glean all this knowledge of hunting whitetails from in this, what 8 years of hunting, maybe?
i have only been hunting whitetail for 25 years.
your just like one of those big racked dolts cruising around the pen right now. just remember that the rack dont make the man. as i said in an earlier post, the dominant buck isnt always the one w/ the biggest rack.
FMC,
you may be right i might not know shit about deer hunting. but i have alot less to learn now than i did 25 years ago because i hunt real deer. wild deer. not hand fed, pen raised gentetic mutations with ear tags and radio collars and AKC pedigree's.
and next year i know a little more.
what exactly does that $15000 check buy a man other than a mount?
what does he learn about deer sitting up 25' in that blind overlooking a feered bullshitting with a paid guide and looking over trailcam pics of potential victims?

KSTEPHENS,

See........you can't even keep yourself from jumping to conclusions about me. FYI, I've been actively hunting Whitetails for 12 years (not 8). I killed my first buck (a 5 pointer) at age 7. I have hunted other critters (squirrels and rabbits) since age 5. Just because I advocate high fenced hunting doesn't mean that's all I do. In fact, of the dozen or so Whitetails I've killed....... 0 (yes 0) have been killed behind high fence. I don't usually sit in box blinds. We scout for months and hang "lock-on" stands and use tripods in thick brush, etc.... So don't judge me, you don't even know me.

nice. what college is it that your daddy is paying for you to skip classes and do all that hunting?

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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I'm a 19 year old sophomore in college.

well, i want you to think about something since your so worldly and smart about hunting.
when you were born i was your age.
exactly were did you glean all this knowledge of hunting whitetails from in this, what 8 years of hunting, maybe?
i have only been hunting whitetail for 25 years.
your just like one of those big racked dolts cruising around the pen right now. just remember that the rack dont make the man. as i said in an earlier post, the dominant buck isnt always the one w/ the biggest rack.
FMC,
you may be right i might not know shit about deer hunting. but i have alot less to learn now than i did 25 years ago because i hunt real deer. wild deer. not hand fed, pen raised gentetic mutations with ear tags and radio collars and AKC pedigree's.
and next year i know a little more.
what exactly does that $15000 check buy a man other than a mount?
what does he learn about deer sitting up 25' in that blind overlooking a feered bullshitting with a paid guide and looking over trailcam pics of potential victims?

KSTEPHENS,

See........you can't even keep yourself from jumping to conclusions about me. FYI, I've been actively hunting Whitetails for 12 years (not 8). I killed my first buck (a 5 pointer) at age 7. I have hunted other critters (squirrels and rabbits) since age 5. Just because I advocate high fenced hunting doesn't mean that's all I do. In fact, of the dozen or so Whitetails I've killed....... 0 (yes 0) have been killed behind high fence. I don't usually sit in box blinds. We scout for months and hang "lock-on" stands and use tripods in thick brush, etc.... So don't judge me, you don't even know me.

nice. what college is it that your daddy is paying for you to skip classes and do all that hunting?

I don't particularly like your tone.......but I go to Sam Houston State University. I don't skip many classes to hunt, maybe one or two days during the season. Unfortunately, my family and I don't even have a place to hunt this year.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by FMC:
Just to really screw up the conversation: P&Y and B&C don't take high fenced game...........

but that is why God created SCI.......

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thats right by God.
Ifn you dont liken to da way we likes to kill them deer thare, anif yooz a thinkin thatits unefikal er what not. well then we'll jez makeup are own doohicky club dat says wekin shootem from the truck or the porch er whare ever we dadgum dabnabbit like. and ifen we shoot one wiff ear tags r what not on em well just pretend he was a wild enuf deer thare.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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Originally posted by Eland Slayer:

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:

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I'm a 19 year old sophomore in college.

well, i want you to think about something since your so worldly and smart about hunting.
when you were born i was your age.
exactly were did you glean all this knowledge of hunting whitetails from in this, what 8 years of hunting, maybe?
i have only been hunting whitetail for 25 years.
your just like one of those big racked dolts cruising around the pen right now. just remember that the rack dont make the man. as i said in an earlier post, the dominant buck isnt always the one w/ the biggest rack.
FMC,
you may be right i might not know shit about deer hunting. but i have alot less to learn now than i did 25 years ago because i hunt real deer. wild deer. not hand fed, pen raised gentetic mutations with ear tags and radio collars and AKC pedigree's.
and next year i know a little more.
what exactly does that $15000 check buy a man other than a mount?
what does he learn about deer sitting up 25' in that blind overlooking a feered bullshitting with a paid guide and looking over trailcam pics of potential victims?

KSTEPHENS,

See........you can't even keep yourself from jumping to conclusions about me. FYI, I've been actively hunting Whitetails for 12 years (not 8). I killed my first buck (a 5 pointer) at age 7. I have hunted other critters (squirrels and rabbits) since age 5. Just because I advocate high fenced hunting doesn't mean that's all I do. In fact, of the dozen or so Whitetails I've killed....... 0 (yes 0) have been killed behind high fence. I don't usually sit in box blinds. We scout for months and hang "lock-on" stands and use tripods in thick brush, etc.... So don't judge me, you don't even know me.

nice. what college is it that your daddy is paying for you to skip classes and do all that hunting?

I don't particularly like your tone.......but I go to Sam Houston State University. I don't skip many classes to hunt, maybe one or two days during the season. Unfortunately, my family and I don't even have a place to hunt this year.

amazing how you can become such a seasoned hunter with "one or two days during the season" under your belt.

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Where does it say in B&C that you can't shoot a free-range deer from a truck or your porch. I could shoot a 170"+ buck on my own low fenced property from my truck window and it would be completely 100% eligible for the B&C book. However, someone who's doing it right (actually hunting, not shooting from a truck) on a 5,000 acre high fenced ranch can't put his deer in the book. Now tell me.........how the HELL is that fair? I don't care about any of the record books anyway and I'll never enter a deer, regarless of size, or method, unless it happens to be a new world record (and I seriously doubt that will happen).

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Hunting deer is the easy thing- trying to stay awake in the stand is the toughest part of whitetail hunting

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Originally posted by FMC:
Out of curiosity, since when did deer hunting become a tough thing to do? It sure as shit ain't as tough as any elk, moose or grizzly hunting I've done. Hell goose hunting is a bitch- what with putting out all those decoys in a flooded rice field.

In all honesty, feeding deer is tougher than any traditional means of hunting deer- all you gotta do for that is what- walk!?!?!?. Try filling feeders with a ton of protein by yourself- 40 sacks over the shoulder.

Hunting deer is the easy thing- trying to stay awake in the stand is the toughest part of whitetail hunting

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try still hunting.

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Originally posted by KSTEPHENS:
try still hunting.

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And how in the hell am I supposed to stay awake for that..........

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are you incapable of applying a visual concept to KS's argument?

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Me thinks, KS gets the Texas Award for "Macho, Macho Man"!

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rather than trying to turn it into some sort of communistic class warfare

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nice Rolex Presidential by the way. Whats that 18K now days?
hes sure lucky someone picked him and his deer up in that Escalade. his old ford probably couldnt handle the weight of that buck.

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maybe one day i can roll around in my Escalade with my arm hanging out the window showing off my rolex with a $5500 deer in the back.

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and yes thats a leupold rifleman scope $179 on sale.
and yes thats a walmart shirt and carhart pants.
and no, thats not my truck (I wish) mine is a 92 F150.