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Come on Drum, cough up that credit card number and book a good mule deer hunt!  ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Does anyone on this site know those involved? It would be interesting to be able to counter Blair's statement that a lawsuit was won, implying a refund? ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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Jim: A lawsuit won does not imply a refund. It would imply a judgment. I would bet that any judgment was not collectable. | |||
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Not only that Larry, but I imagine as highly publicized as this Blair deal has been that there would have been news all over the internet about any kind of a court case/settlement brought by the litigants against Heathington and/or Blair! | |||
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I couldn't find as much as I thought, other then on chat forums. I am no great shakes with computer searches either though. | |||
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I agree 100% (for once)! | |||
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Originally posted by larryshores: I agree 100% (for once)! Well it's about time you smartened up, LOL!!! Just kidding, as sometimes I come up with a good one! | |||
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I recieved emails and info in the mail. The only way Blair could get my info is from the DSC yearly member directory. | |||
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They had never had my information in the past and I went to DSC this year. That would be disappointing | |||
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They had my info before I ever joined DSC. | |||
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There are dozens of ways to get addresses. Some game departments sell lists of hunters who have drawn tags. Some magazines sell lists of their subscribers, and so on. Various companies sell lists of people whose interests indicate they are likely to buy certain products. Bill Quimby | |||
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Well, the asshole now has my cell phone number because he left me a message last week. Graybird "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after ... it's the reckoning." | |||
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I was wondering about that as I waded through this entire mess. Not that I don't believe you, but are there any links, (obituaries, etc.) showing this to be concrete fact? One must remember who we're discussing here. This is the same guy that got the crap kicked out of him at a rest area, received an alleged concussion, along with multiple other injuries. And then was allowed to drive onward in an impaired state, by the police who were called to the scene. | |||
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Noticed several things on their FaceBook site. 1) Quite a few immature animals including most of the Marco Polo rams, Kamchatka bears, an entire STACK of buffalo, couple of elk, etc. 2) Almost all comments on photos have been deleted. 3) Phil Shoemaker (458WIN) apparently hunts with them ... that or they poached one of his trophy photos and posted it on their page. | |||
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It was on the 2nd page and that just won't work | |||
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OK, used to be they only left voicemail and sent me postcards with exciting offers. Simple enough to delete the recording and shred the postcard. But now they are sending email. I replied politely with a notice that I have read the discussions on AR and wished for my contact information to be deleted from all databases. Heaven help them if I am ever contacted again... | |||
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Phil on blair's site ? I wonder if Phil knows ? | |||
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Oh my feelings are hurt  - I got a reply that said "Obviously you Have (sic) not read all of it !!!! or you would know better, thats (sic) why we are still here.your (sic) deleted, WE DO NOT WANT YOU IN THE BASE. have a great day !!!!" | |||
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What that idiot Jeff Blair truly does not understand is that his keeping the commission on a hunt that never happened is what we find the most revolting. Or is it the assurances that "when you book with Blair, you don't have to worry...?" This should be a HBS case study in how to short sighted thinking combined with the power of the internet causes long term loss of revenue. | |||
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This situation would make a great case study. I feel quite sure that thinking has never been part of Jeff Blair's business plan. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. | |||
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Getting kind of low... | |||
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Too far down the front page for my taste. Back TTT !!! | |||
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Both are true, Many years ago Jeff did poach one of my photos with me and a client standing in front of my lodge with a B&C moose. I called him and got a run around so took it to the SCI ethics committee, with predictible results, but he re-printed a new brochure without the photo. But I have also gone on a number of trips booked through Blair. They were all arranged by a close friend and with one exception they were all very good hunts. The exception was an elk hunt with Larry Heathington. He was a real snake and I know Blair regreats ever dealing with him. Most booking agents and guide/outfitters are honest folks but when a hunter books through an agent he doubles the chance of having something go wrong. I have seen crooked agents who blame the outfitter and crooked outfitters who blame the agents and a number of agents who sent hunters and never paid the outfitter. My suggestion is naturally to book directly with the outfitter as they are the ones doing the work and ultimately responsible with the daily operations of the hunt. But that is not always possible on distant hunts and good agents usually offer some sort of insurance. But whoever you book with, READ THE CONTRACT. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Phil: I have a lot of respect for you, but you just went down a few notches with this post. Blair kept the commission for a hunt that NEVER happened. Was he legally entitled to? Maybe. I am also legally entitled to do lots of things with my software and real estate customers, but at the end of the day, sometimes you just do what is right. You do something extra for someone, and they will be a great reference. Wendell Reich, for example, is a guy I would bend over backwards for. As we have all said, this was the dumbest business decision in the history of booking agents. This thread is now over four years old. Four years from now it will still be on Page 1. | |||
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If that's the case, any normal businessman refunds the commission and then comes on here like a man to apologize because he knew heathington was scum. I never met the guy but he must be an arrogant prick....particularly given the way his garbage staff responds to anyone that raises this issue. | |||
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Well, Blair obviously knew who he was dealing with, one way or the other. Either he booked that sheep hunt after the wrotten elk hunting experience, or, he booked the elk hunt with Heathington after he screwed the hunters on the sheep hunt. You can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps. | |||
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Back to the front page. | |||
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Back to the top... | |||
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BTT again ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Correct BTTT. jc | |||
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This has been up for four years now and I can't remember if this particular detail was ever discussed. How does anyone know if any of that $70K the two sons sent to Blair was ever sent to Heathington? If we don't, he may have scammed the guys for the entire $70K and not just whatever his commission was! They said a complaint was filed against him, but I don't remember it ever being said that he admitted or it was proved that he actually got any of the money from Blair. | |||
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I seem to recall that there was no question it was sent to Heathington. | |||
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That may well be Larry, as it's been so long since this mess started and hasn't been rectified that I just didn't remember that particular part. Thanks! | |||
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One of the issues as I recall was that BWW sent the remaining money to Heathington even after they knew about his issues. | |||
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Yep. Heathington had already gone off the deep end. Whats interesting to me is that no tag had been secured in Mexico and no gun paperwork was ever found to have been filled out | |||
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BTT ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Lets pull this back up to the top again ;-) ________________________ Old enough to know better | |||
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Wow, this slipped to page 3...we need to pay better attention fellas. | |||
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