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That piece was obviously written with Great Sarcasm, probably by someone who agrees with most or all of what "we" think. best regards, "The liberty enjoyed by the people of these states of worshiping Almighty God agreeably to their conscience, is not only among the choicest of their blessings, but also of their rights." ~George Washington - 1789 | |||
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Damn Jeff, That's exactly what I've been trying to express but for the life of me, couldn't put the words together. Spot on brother! | |||
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I haven't read it, but I believe an article just came out (yahoo) that has an interview with Theo Bronkurst. Also, I'm now seeing where people (anti-s mainly of course) are commenting about this lion being protected..... Isn't it only protected if it stays in the park? Amazing what is really stated and what is heard. | |||
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From: Johnny Rodrigues [mailto:galorand@mweb.co.zw] Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 2:48 PM TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Please find attached a press statement from the Zimbabwe National Parks. We would like to sincerely thank them for taking this stance. Regards Johnny Rodrigues Chairman for Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force Landline: 263 4 336710 Mobile: 263 712 603 213 Email: galorand@mweb.co.zw Website: www.zctfofficialsite.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/...orce/246013052094585 PRESS STATEMENT ON THE ILLEGAL HUNT OF A COLLARED LION AT ANTOINETTE FARM IN GWAYI CONSERVANCY, HWANGE DISTRICT ON 1 JULY 2015 BY BUSHMAN SAFARIS PROFESSIONAL HUNTER, THEO BRONKHORST. Ladies and gentlemen I make this statement with great sadness following the loss of an iconic attraction Cecil, the lion which we had successfully managed to look after both in terms of conservation and protection from a cub to a fully grown lion of 13 years. This is a lion we have been using for the purposes of research to monitor its movement patterns within the range of Hwange National Park and its surrounding areas. The Government of Zimbabwe through the Parks and Wildlife Act Chapter 20:14 is mandated to manage and conserve wildlife in the country. This function is exercised through the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority, whose main mandate is to conserve Zimbabwe’s wildlife heritage by ensuring that there is sustainable utilization of the natural resources. The Authority is charged with the responsibility to administer and regulate hunting, carry out antipoaching operations, carry out outreach programmes, manage human-wildlife conflicts, undertake research and to monitor programmes. Trophy hunting in Zimbabwe can be conducted in safari areas, private land and CAMPFIRE areas and is regulated through the Parks and Wildlife Act Chapter 20:14. Hunting quotas are therefore allocated on a sustainable basis using scientifically proven methodologies on the wildlife populations available. Area specific hunting quotas and permits are issued out to land owners on an annual basis. Each hunting permit specifies the species, numbers and sexes of animals to be hunted in specific hunting areas. Trophy hunting is done and supervised by qualified professional hunters whose licenses are issued by the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority and can be withdrawn in the event of breaching any hunting laws and regulations. There are two forms of wildlife utilization, i.e. consumptive and non-consumptive. Consumptive utilization is done in specific hunting areas for example safari areas such as Chewore, Chete and Matetsi. Non-consumptive utilization is done in strictly non-hunting areas for example national parks such as Hwange National Park, which was home to Cecil and his pride. Ladies and gentlemen, on the 7th of July 2015 after receiving a tip-off, our law enforcement officers immediately started investigating the matter and discovered that on the 1st of July 2015, this lion was illegally killed by Dr Walter Palmer, a United States of America national and Theo Bronkhorst, a professional hunter with Bushman Safaris on Antoinette farm in Gwayi River Conservancy. The lion had a fitted GPS satellite collar as part of current research efforts being done in Hwange National Park and its surrounding areas. The lion was well known and regularly sighted by tourists. Mr Honest Trymore Ndlovu owner of Antoinette farm was issued with a hunting quota for 2015 which excluded lions. Antoinette Farm is located in Gwayi River Conservancy in the Hwange Rural District and is adjacent to Hwange National Park. The professional hunter is alleged to have connived with the Antoinette land owner to kill the lion. The incident came to the attention of the Authority on the 7th of July 2015 through an informer. This was followed by an investigation which clearly demonstrated that the illegal killing was deliberate. Firstly the land owner was not allocated a lion on his hunting quota for 2015. Secondly, the use of a bow and an arrow was meant to conceal the illegal hunt by using a means that would not alert the rangers on patrol. Execution of the illegal hunt violated a number of provisions of the Parks and Wildlife Act. • The professional hunter violated Section 66 of the Act which regulates the manner in which trophy hunts are conducted. • Both the client, Dr Palmer and the professional hunter violated Section 123 of the Act which controls the use of bow and arrow for hunting. • The client also violated the Act through financing an illegal hunt. • The land owner violated Section 59 of the Act which controls hunting on private land in that he allowed a hunt to be conduct without quota and necessary permit. From investigations carried out so far it shows that the whole poaching event was properly orchestrated and well financed to make sure that it succeeds. The professional hunter, client and land owner were therefore all engaged in poaching of the lion. As we frantically try to protect our wildlife from organized gangs such as this one, there are people who command respect in the society such as Dr Walter James Palmer, a well known dentist and Theo Bronkhorst, an experienced licensed professional hunter who can connive to undermine Zimbabwean laws, international laws and CITES regulations. One can conclude with confidence that Dr Palmer being an American citizen had a well orchestrated agenda which would tarnish the image of Zimbabwe and further strain the relationship between Zimbabwe and the USA. This must be condemned in the strongest possible terms by all genuine animal loving conservationists who believe in sustainable utilization of natural resources. I take this opportunity, therefore to appeal to all conservationists, animal lovers and all institutions interested in the protection of wildlife biodiversity to come forward and assist the Zimbabwe Parks and Wildlife Management Authority with resources to undertake its mandate effectively in areas such as game water management, antipoaching, road and fire guard maintenance, and transport. It is important that we all ensure that the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority is adequately resourced to conserve and protect our biodiversity from organized international poaching as happened in this case. Failure to adequately resource the Parks and Wildlife Management Authority can easily subject our antipoaching units to temptation from those offering huge financial rewards for illegal activities. Lastly let me thank our law enforcement agencies who upon receiving information of the illegal hunt acted swiftly and apprehended the locally based poachers who are now facing the wrath of law but unfortunately it was too late to apprehend the foreign poacher as he had already absconded to his country of origin. We are appealing to the responsible authorities for his extradition to Zimbabwe so that he be made accountable for his illegal actions. | |||
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Why is it that anytime I see the name Johnny Rodrigues, by Bull Shit meter starts to flicker? | |||
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Yup. What a jack ass he is. | |||
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. . . because your BS meter is properly calibrated and functioning. Mike | |||
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Nothing coming out of Johnny Rodrigues is ever the truth. I don't think he actually knows what the truth is! | |||
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Strictly speaking it was also protected on the land on which it was killed as there was no quota there for a lion to be taken. | |||
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You are witnessing the end of us hunters taking lions in zimb and maybe the beginning of the end of all lion imports to the us as well as maybe the end of big game hunting in Africa as we have known it, So sad! | |||
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Was this farm recently taken from another owner and given to Mr. Ndlovu? Steve "He wins the most, who honour saves. Success is not the test." Ryan "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Stalin Tanzania 06 Argentina08 Argentina Australia06 Argentina 07 Namibia Arnhemland10 Belize2011 Moz04 Moz 09 | |||
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Execution of the illegal hunt violated a number of provisions of the Parks and Wildlife Act. • The professional hunter violated Section 66 of the Act which regulates the manner in which trophy hunts are conducted. • Both the client, Dr Palmer and the professional hunter violated Section 123 of the Act which controls the use of bow and arrow for hunting. • The client also violated the Act through financing an illegal hunt. • The land owner violated Section 59 of the Act which controls hunting on private land in that he allowed a hunt to be conduct without quota and necessary permit. Some interesting alleged violations.. as we stated in previous post - the professional hunter is in charge of the hunt. He is responsible for the safari. And he signs off on the safari, aswell as the client at the conclusion of the safari.the onus rest on him period. Any permits required for the safari should have been applied for by the p/hunter or operator on behalf of the client prior to his arrival.. Bow hunting permit, leopards with hounds,etc from national parks authority in advance of his arrival in the country. He was not on a self guided / outfitted hunt..?? If a client wires funds for a hunt to his operator / professional hunter in good faith, how do you prove he had prior knowledge and intent to finance the alleged illegal hunt? Especially if they were in possession of a signed/stamped TR2 at the beginning of the safari.why try make the hunt semi legal if the intent was there to start with.... Now if hunt was paid in cash,then yes, Palmer not only needs to prove that on entering the country he filled in a form 47 at zimra , declaring he has cash to whatever amount etc that he is bringing into the country. But I am sure the USA authorities / IRS would be keen to know where he got the cash from ... Besides who in the right mind would on entering a foreign country , openly want to declare that you are carrying large amounts of cash on your person, and give your intended address etc where you and the cash will be... We agree land owner violated several laws. But again it's the responsibility of the operator / professional hunter conducting the hunt to ensure all rules and regulations are adhered to, and that all necessary permits and required documents are in order. Especially a Copy of current quota for that property. Interesting to see national parks now referring to all quota's being set and are AREA SPECIFIC.... Yet they are the very people, if you have the right connections in the right circles, that have been using the "quota transfer " of species between areas for operators in their government leased concessions... The mind boggles... Last but not least... They ,National parks used the press conference / statement to request for help / funding to help with their operations within the parks estate.. We thought the that was the purpose or so called legitimate excuse / justification for capturing elephant calves for export to China,the first batch of 24 calves left Zimbabwe in early July.. Purportedly sold to China for $40-60k an elephant. So average them out at $50k a calf, that would mean they, national parks should have raised/received around us$1,2 million from this sale of hwange elephant calves alone..... So the million dollar question I guess is, where has this money gone..?? That's another can of worms.. Until such time as there is 100% transparancey and accountability in our wildlife sector,We will not win the battle. It has to start at the top, with Zimbabwe Parks Authority as the regulatory body entrusted to manage our wildlife ,all the way down the ladder to the villager at grassroots level living alongside the wildlife. | |||
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Saeed, we agree with you 100%. If that was indeed an official statement from parks authority, one would have thought it would appear on their official stationery and be signed off by the director general...makes one wonder. If you go onto the ZCTF website, and see at their claimed assistance and donations to the parks authority, and you then cross check with parks authority personnel ..... They are poles apart!! Government policy is that any donations, be it financial, in kind, equipment, no matter what, has to be recorded, and officially accepted in writing by the Zimbabwe Parks Authority Would be interesting to conduct a forensic audit of ZCTF's accounts. | |||
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I too shot a huge maned lion on Antoniette (same property) in 2002, weeks prior to the land invasions.....Aaron Neilson The property in question where the lion was hunted is "Antonette", which incidentally was legally owned by Peter Johnston /Rosslyn Safaris, and was taken without compensation during the land grab.....Zimbabwe Wildlife Conservation P/hunter / operator have an agreement with said land occupier on Antoinette for the hunting rights to the property, which is roughly 4500acres in extent, it is an old railway farm.....Zimbabwe Wildlife Conservation | |||
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/...-cecil-lion-dentist/ Palmer representative contacts USFWS. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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If Theo reported to national parks on finding the lion had a collar , who was the "informant" as stated in the parks press statement who spilled the beans on the 7th July ..? be interesting to find out who received the report, and when and where it was reported.. With all the hype over Cecil, there's going to be a lot of guys claiming "I am not the one"... | |||
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Now my moron State Senator is adding his 2 cents.. N.J. Sen. Menendez proposes legislation inspired by Cecil the Lion killing. TRENTON — U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) said Friday he plans to introduce legislation inspired by the killing of Cecil the Lion to combat trophy killings of potentially threatened or endangered species.The CECIL (or Conserving Ecosystems by Ceasing the Importation of Large Animal Trophies) Act, would extend the import and export protections for species, like the African Lion, that are proposed to be added to the Endangered Species Act. "Let's not be cowardly lions when it comes to trophy killings," Menendez said. "Cecil's death was a preventable tragedy that highlights the need to extend the protections of the Endangered Species Act. When we have enough concern about the future of a species to propose it for listing, we should not be killing it for sport." The death of the lion, a famed attraction at Hwange National Park in Zimbabwe, ignited international outrage. Minnesota Dentist Walter Palmer is accused of shooting Cecil with an arrow after luring him outside the park. | |||
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He already has a felony conviction from the bear incident. Which is probably why he is bow hunting. | |||
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There is a saying, bad facts make bad law. Before the dust settles on this entire sordid incident I suspect we will see some bad laws passed and regulations adopted. The level of noise in the system is just too great. That in part is the fallacy of the argument that if it is legal then the question of whether it is ethical is irrelevant. If there is a big enough public uproar over something that is believed (rightfully or wrongly) to be unconscionable, albeit legal, the government will act in their own uniquely ham handed and inept way to shut it down. So if we choose not to police ourselves and hold ourselves to a higher standard . . . relying instead on the argument that if it is legal it is okay . . . we should not be surprised if and when the government intervenes with some absurd law or regulation. Mike | |||
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Anyone think this might be an entirely orchestrated event to remove attention from serious issues such as the Iran nuke deal, Hilary's e mails, the IRS issues etc?n perhaps to get a anti-hunting agenda some traction? | |||
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I don't want to give the administration enough credit to think this up on their own. I am cynical enough to believe that when they saw a "Wag the Dog" moment they took advantage of it. | |||
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Larry, I have gotten some evidence that you are exactly correct. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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ZWC, Are you alleging that Rodrigues is the culprit for starting the Social Media campaign? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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http://www.iol.co.za/news/afri...1893840#.VbvmMvlVikp Botswana laments the death of Cecil July 31 2015 at 06:40pm By Peter Fabricius Johannesburg - The Government of Botswana made it clear on Friday that sports hunters would not be welcome in its country as it lamented the killing of Zimbabwe’s Cecil the lion by American dentist Walter James Palmer. Government spokesperson Jeff Ramsay said sports hunting had been banned in Botswana and last year the government had also moved to ensure that Botswana’s lions and other large carnivores were not exported to South Africa or any other country for so-called “canned hunting”. Ramsay said his government had learnt with deep concern about the killing of the collared and protected lion which it understood had been lured from Zimbabwe’s Hwange National Park. “We commend the concerned authorities for acting swiftly and arresting the culprits,” Ramsay said in a statement. “We remain hopeful that they will all be prosecuted for carrying out this unjustified act. “It is our stern belief that safari hunting of threatened species such as lions has the potential to undermine our regional anti-poaching efforts as it encourages illegal trade which in turn promotes poaching. “To this end, individuals partaking in such sport hunting expeditions will not be welcome in Botswana.” Ramsay clarified his statement in an interview by saying that sports hunting had been banned. “Last year we also moved to close any loopholes in the export of our lions etc for canned hunting in your country (South Africa) or elsewhere.” He referred to a statement of the Botswana Ministry of Environment, Wildlife and Tourism which said: “Botswana is opposed to ‘canned hunting’, the practice in which large carnivores such as lions or other wildlife species are raised in captivity and hunted in small camps with no room for escape or to elude the hunter. “These animals are often raised in inhumane conditions in close contact with humans. The Government of Botswana is committed to conserving our biodiversity; large carnivores included and does not tolerate cruelty to our wildlife in any form. “Efforts are underway to strengthen legislation to ensure that this abhorrent and unethical practice does not find its way into Botswana under any guise. Botswana will closely scrutinise all requests to export wildlife to any destination.” Asked to confirm that all sports hunting was banned in Botswana, Ramsay said: “We are not giving out any licences for sport hunting here. The only avenue for potential abuse would be on game farms, but yes sport hunting is effectively banned.” ANA Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Sorry Mike but as you know, I see it completely differently. In fact I think you have made my point to some degree. Specifically, I'm not claiming the "If it's legal, it's OK" position. I'm claiming that the Cecil hunt was illegal, therefore unethical. Law having higher status than ethics. You are arguing that if we voice a loud enough "ethical outcry" in this regard, new law will not be a result as we will have already policed ourselves. I argue that the law was already broken. If the hunt was conducted illegally, ethical discussions are not necessary. Laws are supposed to affect everyone with consequences for disobeying them. Ethics are personal and don't carry consequences beyond public criticism. Palmer, Bronknorst, and Ndlovu conducted an illegal hunt. Period. Punish them according to the law! No need for new laws to prevent this from happening again. It's already illegal. What carries more weight, a segment of hunters that say they will not shoot collared animals or animals with a name, or all hunters being held to the standard that hunting is allowed by law under the proper circumstances which first and foremost start with having permits / quota, and procedures for ensuring those circumstances are followed, without grey area interpretations. One caveat being that at this point, we don't know Palmer's level of involvement / knowledge, however his past experience with the bear certainly doesn't do much to sway his plausible deniability. | |||
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No sir, that is not what I am saying at all. With regard to this incident what is done is done. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle. What I am saying is that as we think about our actions and the implications of our actions prospectively we should consider that a standard of legal is good enough may not in fact be good enough. That we should consider the perceptions of our actions, the context in which our actions take place, and make a determination based not just what we have the right to do but what is the right thing to do. Had Palmer et al. considered that before they did this perhaps we would not be confronted with what we are today. I am expressing the view and the hope that we will do a better a job of policing our own conduct in the future . . . and wish we had done so in the past . . . to avoid this sort of melt down. Nothing we say or do now regarding this incident is going to avoid the implications. Mike | |||
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By the same token Mike, if Palmer et al had simply followed the law, we would likewise not be confronted with what we are today. But the difference at this point, because as you say, the genie is out of the bottle now, between ethics and law in this case is that from an ethical standpoint, we can only condemn them. From a legal standpoint, they can and should be prosecuted. | |||
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I say great, do both. And even if we cannot do the latter, do the former. Mike | |||
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Ledvm... was certainly the cause of the social media hype in these neck of the woods. He always is.. | |||
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http://abcnews.go.com/Internat...3963?singlePage=true Man Who Studied Cecil the Lion for 9 Years Talks Impact JOHANNESBURG — Aug 1, 2015, 1:48 PM ET By GERALD IMRAY Associated Press Associated Press When Cecil the lion's carcass was finally found after he was lured out of a Zimbabwe wildlife reserve to be killed by an American hunter, it was a headless, skinless skeleton the vultures had been picking at for about a week. Conservationists decided the most natural thing was to leave the bones where they were for hyenas to finish off, said Brent Stapelkamp, a lion researcher and part of a team that had tracked and studied Cecil for nine years. Stapelkamp darted Cecil and put his last GPS collar on in October. He was probably the last person to get up close before Minnesota dentist Walter Palmer used a bow and a gun to kill the now-famous lion with the bushy black mane, its head and skin eventually cut off as trophies. Stapelkamp had first alerted authorities that something might be wrong after Cecil's GPS collar stopped sending a signal. The killing of the big cat in early July has unleashed global outrage, sending Palmer into hiding back home in suburban Minneapolis, leading to the arrest of the local hunter he employed, and prompting Zimbabwe's environment minister to say the southern African country would seek Palmer's extradition to face charges. Stapelkamp shares the anger, not just because of the demise of Cecil. Also because, he said, it's not the first time a lion has been killed illegally around Hwange National Park in northwestern Zimbabwe, a reserve known for its rich wildlife. About a dozen lions in the region were killed illegally in recent years, Stapelkamp said, and no one was caught. "I think this was just the final straw," Stapelkamp told The Associated Press in a phone interview from the Hwange reserve. "Everyone locally just thought, no ways, we're not letting anyone get away with this anymore." Cecil had an intriguing story, making him a celebrity in Hwange. He arrived as a kind of lion refugee, alone and wandering after being displaced from another territory. Cecil befriended another male lion, Jericho, and together they grew and watched over two prides, one with three lionesses and seven cubs and another with three lionesses. Cecil's killing will have an impact on the area, explained Stapelkamp, a field researcher for an Oxford University study on lions. Jericho may not be able to hold their territory alone and could be chased away by rival lions. Unprotected, the lionesses and cubs would then be under threat and also move away or be killed. Safari operators who invested millions of dollars in the area would lose one of their biggest attractions for tourists. "They're burning fire breaks. They're grading roads. They're pumping water," Stapelkamp said. "They're spending a lot of money in the management of lions and then someone just draws it across the railway lines having not paid a penny in its management and shoots it and runs away with its skin. It's unacceptable." Zimbabwe's National Parks and Wildlife Authority said Saturday it has suspended the hunting of lions, leopards and elephants outside of Hwange National Park, and that bow and arrow hunts have also been suspended unless they are approved by the authority's director. The authority also said it is investigating the killing of another lion in April that may have been illegal. Stapelkamp, unsure of the details of Cecil's killing, described the usual tactics of hunters to draw an animal onto private land and out of the park where it is protected. The two areas are separated by a railway line. Hunters shoot a zebra or giraffe and hang it on a tree; the main bait. They then drag the intestines of that animal, "something that really smells," Stapelkamp said, up and down the park boundary behind a vehicle. Sometimes they'll even play the sounds of a dying buffalo over a loudspeaker to attract a lion. The lion "comes across that scent trail and it leads him straight to this bait," Stapelkamp said. "It rushes in for a free meal and they're waiting ... and they kill him like that." Even on private land, this hunt was still illegal, Stapelkamp said, because no hunting quotas for lions were issued in the region this year. Legal hunts do happen, he said, but only after authorities consult with ecologists and decide that it won't adversely affect the area. This didn't happen with Cecil, Stapelkamp said, and he doesn't believe Palmer's story that he trusted his professional guide to ensure a legal hunt. "He's a well-educated man, he's got a lot of resources," Stapelkamp said. "You could do your homework. Due diligence. You would know that you're hunting in a controversial area. You've got a GPS you could have in your pocket and you have a look at the map, and you say, 'listen, friend, I think we're in the wrong area.' There's no excuse." Palmer came "with the intention of getting the biggest lion that he could and getting out. And he got caught," Stapelkamp said. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Here is an interview with Dr. Luke Hunter on CNN. http://www.cnn.com/videos/worl...our-luke-hunter.cnn/ | |||
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Hello ladies and gentlemen After 25 plus years managing camps , assisting multiple operators, areas and p guides throughout Zimbabwe I am disgusted to say the least . The level of hypocrisy and spineless attitude with our esteemed associations is now out of control and unacceptable Has anyone questioned why Theo bronkhorst ALONE has been targeted . NO . Zimbabwe wildlife conservation has been 100 % accurate on all the facts . Extremely knowledgeable and We thank you very much for speaking nothing but the truth Quota transfers are very common among tons of operators ( including many who frequently post on AR ) and unsustainable quotas have been going on for a very long time . These operators have very influential political partners and yes this travels way way way up the food chain Chirisa , chete , Sapi and MANY more areas also run by Zphga members and their political partners have now been raped due to unsustainable a quotas and many of the areas now dead . Why are so many of us not angry about these activities and the hypocrisy ! Theo bronkhorst is only one of MANY members of the so called esteemed associations Zphga that hunt on seized property . But what is behind bronkhorst being the sacrificial lamb when the politically powerful operators get away with hunting on many and I stress many seized properties Why are less than 15% of all professional hunters guides members of these supposed esteemed associations Yes there are an awful lot of things being done by some operators and their connected partners ... Smoke and mirrors . Buy why is theo bronkhorst all alone and no other members who have hunted time and time again in the same Gwayi areas being named ! Some mentioned " sacrificing one of their own to save face " . Spot on and CORRECT There are a bunch of " reputable " Chaps that work with partners on SDN list . Many of these chaps post here frequently Why why is Bronkhorts singled out to slaughter ! The family relation between SOAZ chairman and one of the most powerful people in zim. And Out of Africa's most powerful rep on his CV ... Baie sleg !!! | |||
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No matter what profession there are always those willing to throw fellow members to the lions so to speak. If they see so sort of gain for themselves. | |||
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So what operators should be avoided? Offering only insinuations will effectively kill ALL Zimbabwe hunting. If that is your mission which I suspect it is then you won't. You will make up some limp excuse for not doing so. If you do care about reputable operators and the future of Zimbabwe hunting you will at least post a COMPLETE list of those who run clean outfits. Otherwise you are and will be dismissed as a one post troll. Jeff | |||
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Welcome to the forum Theo!  | |||
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I believe you, but what can a foreign hunter like myself do about it? I am not nor could I ever be privy to all the unethical and illegal arrangements that take place in the Zim hunting industry. What would you have me do to help correct this situation? STAY IN THE FIGHT! | |||
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It might be Theo. regardless, those are valid questions raised. In addition, I wonder about the arrests of the landowners. I know one of them is very well connected with ZANU-PF. The other I have never heard of. However, to get that property, he must be connected. | |||
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We had a long chat with a senior parks official after yesterday's meeting. He once again reiterated both clients are not sought by our parks dept or the police , if anything they would be interested to speak with them to get their side of the story, and in a unlikely scenario if they would turn state witness. Regardless the local operator and professional hunter know the laws, and you transgress them at your own risk. To all the clients, we sympathize with you, there is only so much due diligence one can do. Let's face it if you got a word of mouth referral from someone who hunted with the Zimbabwe outfit, and a bit of online checking, you feel comfortable , obviously communications between yourself and the operator aswell , maybe even a face to face meeting at one of the USA hunting shows.... Deposits paid, and you booked up. You have no knowledge of the behind the scene's going's on of the safari company... Who the share holders of the company are.. That's where we say "smoke and mirrors". Theo Bronknhorst was the one to get caught, and we say this again. If they had of NOT wounded the lion.... Nothing would have made the media. That's why we say we are 99% sure Mr Palmer probably knew nothing of the quota, area, transfer of quota etc. lion was wounded, and went back into the park. on wounding any animal that leaves the hunting area and crosses back into a park, professional hunter needs to report such an incident to nearest national parks office (by law within 24hrs if any of the dangerous 4 wounded) and request a parks ranger to accompany you to follow it up. We believe LOTS of unsuspecting clients have lined the pockets one way or another of SDN listed people, by hunting with operators and professional hunters who were hunting on seized and or leased land with DIRECT CONNECTIONS to SDN listed people.Some of the biggest offenders of quota transfer /ration hunting / doing business with SDN's were at the meeting. Thick skinned? Or just know they are untouchable ?? Put it this way out of the top / big ten operators in Zimbabwe , a conservative call would be 6 were in business directly or indirectly with SDN listed people. We wouldn't be surprised if a new association is formed parallel to current SOAZ / ZPHGA. | |||
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