Our local cable description says that The Zone show tonight will be about the Stu Taylor incident.

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Something to learn for all of us hunters from someone else's mistake.
And I think lots of us were close to accidents like these or very similar in our lifetime.
Kudos to Tim and The Zone to put it on prime time and show us what can happen and does happen handling guns under different conditions.
Thanks Tim for having balls to show this.
You are Da Man.

What is The Zone and what channel is it on?

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
starting in 5 min
Something to learn for all of us hunters from someone else's mistake.
And I think lots of us were close to accidents like these or very similar in our lifetime.
Kudos to Tim and The Zone to put it on prime time and show us what can happen and does happen handling guns under different conditions.
Thanks Tim for having balls to show this.
You are Da Man.

I'm curious as to ya'lls thoughts on this accident. The host seemed a little hesitant to admit any wrong doing in this case. He was obviously remorseful but kept refering to the whole thing as an accident that is part of buffalo hunting. I have never been in a dangerous game situation so I am very hesitant to draw any conclusions. Did he do anything wrong or is what happened just part of hunting dangerous game? For the record, I am really asking this honestly. I am not trying to stir the pot or pass judgement on a situation I have no first hand knowledge of.

Perry

I just finished watching it and I want to thank Tim and Stu for airing the incident as it happened. It is brutal to watch. I could not imagine how brutal the experience was on everyone involved. I called my 17 year old son in because there is a lesson there for all of us, especially young hunters. The sight of Stu staggering to the truck with the bullet hole through his shoulder streaming blood is burned in both of our memories. You can bet gun safety will be foremost in our minds on our future hunts!

I wish Stu a full recovery and once again, thank Tim for airing it. He didn't cover anything up, just the opposite, he made it as public and as raw as it can get. No doubt some on AR will start the name-calling bullshit again, but how many of us would have the courage to air that episode knowing full well he will become a lightning rod regarding the accident. Tim I admire you for that.

And for Stu, it reminded me his fight continues and it is time for me to drop another check in the mail to help a good guy out.

I know Tim personally. These things are absolutely an accident from my way of looking at it. Hunted buffs and elephants and got charged one each.
It's crazy how fast they can move and you have to be ready and when you are ready to shoot you can trip. Such a jungle out there plus every good PH will try to get in between client and DG to protect you. Those guys are amazing and they readily put their lives on line for you, no questions asked.
In nutshell it happens so fast, nothing prepares you for it.
absolutely unfortunate accident and PH lived to tell the story.
Tim is such a great guy and just the fact he and the company put it on TV speaks for itself as him being class act.
Last year in Zim, neighbor PH got shot by client as the client was putting gun in rack in the truck.
Again, very unfortunate, but handling guns, accidents happen and lots of factors weigh in.
DG hunts are such a rush and can be so exciting, that simply put there should be a lot more accidents and there are not and that tells me, majority of hunters are very safety conscious even in stressful situations.

Tim is a stand up guy and a class act all the way. I'd hunt DG with him in a heartbeat.

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Originally posted by perry:

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
starting in 5 min
Something to learn for all of us hunters from someone else's mistake.
And I think lots of us were close to accidents like these or very similar in our lifetime.
Kudos to Tim and The Zone to put it on prime time and show us what can happen and does happen handling guns under different conditions.
Thanks Tim for having balls to show this.
You are Da Man.

I'm curious as to ya'lls thoughts on this accident. The host seemed a little hesitant to admit any wrong doing in this case. He was obviously remorseful but kept refering to the whole thing as an accident that is part of buffalo hunting. I have never been in a dangerous game situation so I am very hesitant to draw any conclusions. Did he do anything wrong or is what happened just part of hunting dangerous game? For the record, I am really asking this honestly. I am not trying to stir the pot or pass judgement on a situation I have no first hand knowledge of.

Perry

Perry,

I have heard of this accident, but, sadly unable to see it because I am not in the US.

But, trying to answer your question regarding hunting dangerous game and what might happen.

I have been hunting dangerous game for over 30 years, and relate that this was nothing but an unavoidable accident.

Unavoidable in the sense that one has to have a loaded rifle in his hands, and in any sort of close range charge situation, accident can happen, regardless of how careful one is.

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Originally posted by bwanamrm:
I just finished watching it and I want to thank Tim and Stu for airing the incident as it happened. It is brutal to watch. I could not imagine how brutal the experience was on everyone involved. I called my 17 year old son in because there is a lesson there for all of us, especially young hunters. The sight of Stu staggering to the truck with the bullet hole through his shoulder streaming blood is burned in both of our memories. You can bet gun safety will be foremost in our minds on our future hunts!

I wish Stu a full recovery and once again, thank Tim for airing it. He didn't cover anything up, just the opposite, he made it as public and as raw as it can get. No doubt some on AR will start the name-calling bullshit again, but how many of us would have the courage to air that episode knowing full well he will become a lightning rod regarding the accident. Tim I admire you for that.

And for Stu, it reminded me his fight continues and it is time for me to drop another check in the mail to help a good guy out.

I took my 15 year old to RSA this past summer and I must say I was proud of how he handled himself and his rifle.

My 10 year old just passed his Hunter Ed course this past weekend. And I'm also proud how my little guy handles himself and his rifle.

And I just finished watching the show on DVR. They'll both be watching this show this weekend.

Not to make in anyway light of the situation, but what do you call a guy quietly sitting on a log with a .500" hole bored through his shoulder just moments before, smoking a cigarette.....one tough man!

Saeed's post is instructive. In the US there are very few accidents. In the US we are almost programmed to find fault and run to a lawyer the first chance we get. In the rest of the world it's a horrible accident, period.

What cable channel is the "zone" on. I would like to see this show.

Frostbit,
It's on the Sportsmans channel and airs again at 2100 hrs, in 5 min. It will be on again Friday at 0700 hrs.

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Originally posted by LegioX:
Frostbit,
It's on the Sportsmans channel and airs again at 2100 hrs, in 5 min. It will be on again Friday at 0700 hrs.

Thanks!!

I caught up with stu a week ago. He seems fit with all the gym and Physio work BUT he is still having trouble lifting his arm high and still requires pain killers daily. Sadly with his disability he can not work his trade this season but is very keen to get back to it next season. Its been a hard twelve months for the guy and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Coincidently I'm one of the guys lifting him up on the film.

Also he again expresses his thanks to all the kind words and donation which have helped immensely.

say Hi to him Ozhunter.
It could have been any one of us that ever hunted DG, so we all feel for him and wish him fast track back to his beloved job as PH
One hell of a tough Dude he is.

Sportsman Channel again Friday at 10 a.m. (our area = ch. 131).

Any of us who have hunted and shot guns our whole lives can probably reach back into our memory and recall an incident that could have easily turned into a disaster, but, for some reason, it didn't. I know I can think of one that still scares the daylights out of me. Sometimes no matter how careful we are, shit still happens.

Gentlemen

Thanks for the insight. I wish Stu a full recovery. As it sounds, this was an unavoidable accident. I really feel for Tim. I know I couldn't go a day without being sick at myself. I hope he works through it completely.

Perry

Of course he did something wrong! The army and osha teaches that accidents are preventable and that is correct. That being said they are called accidents for a reason

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by perry:

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
starting in 5 min
Something to learn for all of us hunters from someone else's mistake.
And I think lots of us were close to accidents like these or very similar in our lifetime.
Kudos to Tim and The Zone to put it on prime time and show us what can happen and does happen handling guns under different conditions.
Thanks Tim for having balls to show this.
You are Da Man.

I'm curious as to ya'lls thoughts on this accident. The host seemed a little hesitant to admit any wrong doing in this case. He was obviously remorseful but kept refering to the whole thing as an accident that is part of buffalo hunting. I have never been in a dangerous game situation so I am very hesitant to draw any conclusions. Did he do anything wrong or is what happened just part of hunting dangerous game? For the record, I am really asking this honestly. I am not trying to stir the pot or pass judgement on a situation I have no first hand knowledge of.

Perry

Perry,

I have heard of this accident, but, sadly unable to see it because I am not in the US.

But, trying to answer your question regarding hunting dangerous game and what might happen.

I have been hunting dangerous game for over 30 years, and relate that this was nothing but an unavoidable accident.

Unavoidable in the sense that one has to have a loaded rifle in his hands, and in any sort of close range charge situation, accident can happen, regardless of how careful one is.

+1

Just a little side note,
When i was at SSG last year i told nixon about this. Nixon says, what a terrible accident. I watch every client to see how they handle a rifle. Tim is one of the safest people i have ever seen.
Goes to show you it can happen to anyone.

Have not seen it, but agree that it took some guts to air it and suffer feedback from Monday morning quarterbacks. Thankfully not many of those are on AR so far. Maulings, gun accidents, acts of GOD, snakebite and the list goes on can happen to any of us every day we unzip the tent on safari. This goes a long was, as Russell said so well, to make us all more aware and careful in the field. My very best to Stu on his recovery.

I saw it last night. It made me cringe to see Stu. My girlfriend is a surgeon. She watched it with me. Her eyes got very wide. She says that Stu was extremely lucky to be hit exactly where he was hit. It wouldn't have taken much change in point of impact to be fatal.

He was damn lucky. Had it been a soft or a couple of inches different the result would have been far worse.

In my old age, I think about things differently. I think about the chain of events that had to take place at precisely the same time for this to happen. For example, what if Tim (or Stu) were standing a few inches away from where they were? What if Tim was holding his rifle at say a 5 degree different angle? What is the buff made his move 1 second earlier or later? When one thinks about all of these factors that had to be so precise for this unfortunate event to occur, it is amazing.

I agree, it took a lot of courage to air this show. I am glad they did.

If nothing else, this serves as a reminder of how careful we all need to be.

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Originally posted by Wendell Reich:
Any of us who have hunted and shot guns our whole lives can probably reach back into our memory and recall an incident that could have easily turned into a disaster, but, for some reason, it didn't. I know I can think of one that still scares the daylights out of me. Sometimes no matter how careful we are, shit still happens.

Well said

Larry,

Now that sounds like a good one to make Mrs.Shores....a surgeon who watches hunting shows.

Is she a blond?

Frank:

Actually, she is!

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He was damn lucky. Had it been a soft or a couple of inches different the result would have been far worse

I am going to insist on clients carrying solids from now on

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Frank:

Actually, she is!

If she anything close to the last 2 I saw you with...dam!

Very tragic. I was able to watch the show this morning. I agree with the other posters, Stu was incredibly lucky the shot was not a couple of inches further to the right and that it was solid. A painful episode to watch but an excellent reminder to each of us that all hunting involves risks and of the importance of firearm safety. In that regard, I will remember this episode far longer than I will ever remember virtually any of the more "standard" hunting show fare. That being the case, at least some good comes out of an otherwise absolutely horrible situation.

Would love to see it, but unfortunately I only receive the Outdoor Channel.

It took an awful lot of courage to air this tragedy. Kudos to Tim for having the balls to do it.
I remember when he reported it that he said they were planning to air it.
I pray that both Stu & Tim make a full recovery.
By the way, I had a pistol go off & shoot me through the right leg & nobody was touching it.
Accidents do happen.

I believe this show to be the most important TV "hunting" show to ever air! An accident could happen to any one of us and to think otherwise is dangerous.

That's exactly why I would like to see it.

I just watched it again. It is sobering to say the least.

It is awfully easy to fall in that thick stuff. Horrible accident. I feel for both of them.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

He was damn lucky. Had it been a soft or a couple of inches different the result would have been far worse.

Absolutely

I would guess that Tim is following this discussion so; Tim is it possible that those of us that can not see the show could see a video?

Good Hunting

Carl Frederik

Folks,

Well! I just watched the show. I kind of othought I was pretty crusty but I have to say I was effected by the show. What a fuckin' nightmare for all involved.

A great show in my opinion and it really does bring to everyone's attention that things can go to shit for any of us anytime.

Mark

I just saw the show. Tim, I applaud you for telling the story in such a graphic and honest way. As a fellow African hunter, TV producer, and friend, I believe you made everyone of us more aware of the tragic possibilities we face hunting truly dangerous game. We have carried out a dear friends body out in a blanket from a buffalo hunt gone horribly wrong, so I understood the look of pure pain on your face during the ordeal and the re-telling. A sobering lesson indeed, and a reminder for all of us to be thinking about whenever a firearm is in our hands. A true'BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO EVERYONE OF US" who play this game. Thank you for the courage it took to air that Tim. My hats off.

Let's not forget that Stu needs help.

If you do anything long enough, the odds are the odds will catch up with you. PH’s know that sooner or later something is going to bite or gore or otherwise get you. You hope it’s not your client, but it does happen. There are more than a few trackers and PHs have been shot through the years and some with tragic consequences.

There are a lot of dumb client stories out there, but this is not one of them. I feel for both Tim and Stu.

A cringe worthy story.

As an aside, I know far more hunters that have been shot while duck, pheasant, dove, turkey, and deer hunting than I know African PHs being shot by their client. I've been on more frightening dove hunts than buff hunts and I have shot a lot of buff through the years.