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fairgame Ive looked at this entire thread and i cant believe that you are still defending your side of the story. Firstly i think you made a complete fool of yourself by not being able to tell the difference between Buffalo Cow and Bull, then after realising that you made a mistake you try and defend yourself by saying they are young cows.... Please tell us all why you think they are young cows i would love to know. Secondly i think it is very unprofessional to try and undermine other PH's and outfitters by creating a post on a different Forum and then posting misguiding facts to get other users to join in on your game The post started on African Hunter and there you made a complete fool of yourself and I don't see this post playing in your favour either. i think you owe those guys an apology on both Forums! | |||
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It was not a meat hunt. The meat was donated to a sanctuary. | |||
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ONNCE again hunters fighting there own!! shocking!!!! not everyone can afford a trophy buff hunt!! that cow buff might be the only buff that poor hunter ever hunt in his live and to him that is a trophy! my son 7 years old shot a female impala to him that is a trophy! Shocking to read some of the commends over here!!! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster. And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not. I keep repeating, tell it as it is. Do not make it out to be something else. | |||
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Only you are making it out to be something else. All the original post had said was that a guy booked a hunt for a buffalo with his mates. They then each shot a buff in three days. The size of the reserve was given as 5000ha. Then by looking at the pics you could see it was a cow hunt ( which many PHs failed to see)... Just because shooting a cow in a fenced area is not your cup of tea, you took issue with it. This hunt was no way portrayed to be anything other that it was.... Not like those cattle killers who just pop over from Botswana to have a quick snack! If it doesn't suit your style, just move along and keep quiet. Simple. | |||
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My apologies, I am not Einstein! I can only read what was written, and what was written, was most definitely NOT saying anything but a proper buffalo hunt. And to me, that is misleading! | |||
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I guess it is all what you think is a proper buff hunt. Maybe not the hunt you think it was but sure was looked as one by the guys doing the hunt. Hunters judging hunters based on how a post was wrote now is getting a little to much. Again the trophy is what the hunter sees who did the hunt. Nothing gain by making it go the way this did at all. What happened is someone made a comment that now looks stupid. It's now the pictures are bad so hard to see so he is fine for making his stupid remarks. Then all the big time( in there mind) big 5 hunters come to his aid making up other reason why the post was wrong. It not proper or it happen in SA so we have the right to judge. You don't need to be Einstein to see the report is what it is. A report talking about a buff hunt 3 guys enjoyed and some PH's that were happy they could make the hunt happen for the hunters. Nothing more there then that unless you read more into the report then that. | |||
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So is hunting a cow buffalo not a proper buff hunt? I just got back from A hunt in one of APNR areas we were in A herd of 400 plus buffalo and twice was mock charged by cow buffs... It was obvious from those photos they were cow buffalo... hard for me to understand why that poor guy was being taken out and insulted on the internet bad taste all around! What gets me as that we are all hunters and should unite but NO we must always look for something to say about other hunters, Not all hunting can be done in ZAMBIA OR TANZANIA! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Don't you know that all animals in SA either have a name or tag!! No such thing as real hunting here!! | |||
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Guys... People offended need to settle down... Wake up...you are all right in the main respect which is people shouldn't criticize perfectly legitimate hunting...cow hunting. Etc etc etc... Everyone get' s it and have said 50 different ways and agrees.... BUT for the 50th time...wake the F up and also realize the simple root and misunderstanding was both simple and founded... It was flat out not listed and represented for what it was...PERIOD... Lord Forbid there was an honest misunderstanding of the circumstance!!!!(oh by the way which is ALSO completely understandable because of about 10,000 instances of less than perfect or ethical behavior by SOME in SA.. A small Minority of people we all realize) That's ALSO OK!!!! Just don't get your South African nuts in wad by professing ignorance, innocence, and false disdain! Move on.... Someone blasted some cows...WE GET IT!!! We now realize it was under perfectly normal and normal circumstances...congratulations on not being scumbags... | |||
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I don't think the thread originator ever used the word, "proper" as you are so fond to adding. I believe he used " buffalo hunt". Your kinda in a tight corner on this one...best to move on. | |||
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Yup we should be the one settling down because people still like to think it was founded to make the stupid comments. Either people can't read or just like to twist words to suit them to look like they were right. It always goes back to the fact it was a hunt done in SA. Guys need to stop drinking the cool aid being served by some and realize all the countries have crooks in them. People need to realize no matter how the post was done it was what those ph's and hunters did and felt. Proper or trophy even a meat hunt it is for them to decide not some guys who just like to slam others over a hunt they don't think is proper. Some people need to get over it and move on but they will just keep sticking up for all the perfect hunters and throwing out there cheap shoots. I wish I could congratulate more on being for all hunters not just for what they think is proper hunts in there eyes. | |||
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Again, nowhere in the post on AR did the PH say it was a Bull Buff hunt. How did he misrepresent that MAYBE HE ASSUMED PH'S HAD ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BULL AND A COW. Maybe the original poster of this wackjob of a thread usually has his tracker tell him whether it is a bull or a cow? This thread was started ill-informed and mean-spirited. The OP evidently didn't know what the crap he was talking about and it seems the others that piled on didn't know a cow buffalo from their own butt either. I say this, laughingly, because it is ridiculous that supposedly "gentlemen" do this. I don't know. Maybe he was drunk when he posted this. Maybe he had something in his eye. Maybe he just don't know any better. Hard to say, when he just dropped a bomb and moved on without responding once it's shown he was wrong. You ask "Why he shouldn't make an apology and it wasn't his fault?" Whose was it. and this is what he said.... The folks here on AR seem to conform to a standard when hunting game. Buffalo is always a contentious subject and the ageing can be difficult but generally we do our best to pursue those animals that are big and mature. They are stocky gruff animals and sometimes we call a shot on an animal that is best described as a little 'soft'. So what? He is mature and hairless and is without doubt a good buffalo to take. The hunt was good. Well check this crap: http://www.africahunting.com/t...alo-in-3-days.22920/ If that isn't ill-informed and mean-spirited, I don't know what is. A gentleman would apologize or at the least he would admit he made an error. that also goes for the guys who piled on. | |||
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I am not in any corner and I am not going anywhere. The original post was blatantly misleading, portraying a meat or cull hunt as a trophy hunt. Andrew had the balls to call it, and he gets threatened. I have nothing wrong with shooting cows - I have shot quite a few, and have always stated as shooting them for meat or bait. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. And for those who have their heads stuck somewhere where the sun does not shine, shoot whatever you wish, but do NOT portray it as something else. This is a classic example of blatant dishonesty! By both PHs and those who book for them! Just goes to show that one certainly has to be extremely careful who to "hunt" with in South Africa, and which booking agent to use. The funny part is a few years ago I had to do some research about hunting in South Africa, and I contacted a number of outfitters and PHs. It was quite an eye opener! Some of them really have no business dealing with hunters whatsoever - not sure they actually know what hunting is anyway. I eventually booked with a great guy - Peter Harris - who was so honest he refused to take us to some farms - saying "you won't like it there. It is like shooting fish in a barrel". Guess what happened next time I wanted to hunt in South Africa? Yep, I just called Peter and booked our hunt with him. The original poster did say he was on a "buffalo hunt". He just conveniently forgot to mention it was a cull hunt for cows unwanted by the farmer who owns them! And that is NOT a proper buffalo hunt. | |||
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They sure look like buffalo to me. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Can you please show were it is said this hunt was a trophy hunt in the original posting. I know some are saying it was misleading but since when do others get to pick what a trophy is to other hunters. I know a few on here like to think because they can afford to hunt certain things that makes them better then must of us. Money or what you hunted does not make you a better hunter at all. They get to decide what trophys are to all of us hunters. I know I never gave anyone the right to tell me what a trophy is or is not to me. | |||
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Who threatened Andrew? Maybe some pointed out how he was blatantly wrong in his ill-informed assumption. Maybe he was made fun of because he evidently can't tell the difference between a bull and a cow. And the only reason he was made fun of was because of the silly mean-spirited way he attacked the PH that conducted the hunt. That PH did not mislead ANYONE. He said 3 buffs were killed and posted the photos that, he assumed, any PH with half a brain would recognize were cows. That is not misleading. That is giving the OP credit that the photo would speak for itself. It seems too many people are quick to dish it out, but are too girly to take it back. And not man enough to admit when they are wrong. | |||
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I've sat and listened....damn!! I read every single word of the thread on AH I do not see any claims whatsoever as this being anything but a Buffalo hunt Please link the post that is misleading Egos and even bigger egos.....what a mess this thread is Like I pointed out before.....there has to be a reason the African hunt report forum here on AR is on life support I remember a better AR from years ago.....all things change.....sad to see Friends I have made from AR have literally changed my life....I text them when I care to share and skip the AR post these days My first African hunt report last year was my last ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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This is what Adrian posted describing the hunt: "Hi All, we had a very successful long weekend. We had a client who initially booked one buffalo. He brought some of his friends along. We were fortunate to get his buff on day one - with two days sparing, one of his friends also decided he wanted a buff, we got it on the second day. With one more day to go, his other mate also decided he would like a buff. In the three days we managed to get all three buffs. We hunted in a Big5 reserve of 5000ha in size. Well done to the team on a great effort." Notice: He mentions the size of the area hunted. Did not try to hide that. Notice He said "buffalo", not "3 bulls". Notice he posts the pictures so all could see what was hunted and killed. In other words, He didn't make a glory post about the hunt and lie and say they were dugga boys. He didn't say they were cows, because ANY PH IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE. Now, Where is the deceit in Adrian's post? My Dad taught me as a young man that if you error, it is better to "man-up, admit you're wrong, and move on". It's what a man does. And, it should be doubly so for the "gentleman hunter". | |||
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Yep....100% accurate ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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If you are unable to see what is going on here - saying a they have had a "buffalo hunt" while they were shooting cows unwanted by the farmer - then I cannot help you. Enjoy whatever "hunts" that take your fancy, and you certainly do not have to post them here. And if you really feel so AR is so bad, why do you even bother come here?? Just as posting hunt reports is the choice of the individual, participating here is a choice too. | |||
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I stated there has to be a reason for the decline I know why I won't post a hunt report any longer I do wonder why others will no longer share. . . . . . . I read the entire thread...here and on AH I find no misleading information. But to be frank....I don't care and sure aint up at night thinking about any of it . . . . . . I sat back and listed....what a mess ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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"..Careful Mate, You might draw the attention of the moderators...." And I suppose the above is not a threat either! Bloody hell, I wish I could understand English better! | |||
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Yep....quoted nicely.....Saeed I do understand how AH.com moderates My "hunts" don't qualify as "proper" btw As I have had pointed out to me a time or two here on AR.....the choice for future reports was made quite easy "Proper" DG hunting is a debate for thick wallets and sometimes big egos....but always thick wallets Hunting is and always will be...... what you make it ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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Correct me if I am wrong, but did Adriann come on AR and post a hunt report. Unless I am wrong, Andrew went on AH and saw the post there. Then he maliciously came back to AR and posted a thread belittling him. Can you not see that Andrew started this on here to purposefully make fun of someone in a mean-spirited way? Adriann didn't ask for this on AR. He was dragged here by Andrew. Andrew was dead wrong in his assumptions. Again, how does a PH not be able to tell the difference between a bull and a cow???? I post on both places, along with a couple other hunting/shooting forums. I have no axe to grind with anyone and I didn't know who Adrian was until a few days ago. The only reason I've been responding is the absurdity of the posts of the AR folks when they found out they were, not just wrong, but wrong-headed. Now they look silly because of their own mistakes and they look childish because they won't admit they were wrong. It's about being not only a man, but a gentleman. | |||
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Actually I view it as attempted humor . . . . . Rphguy....I think Saeed was telling me that it was my choice to not subject my hunt report to be judged here ________________________________________________ Maker of The Frankenstud Sling Keeper Proudly made in the USA Acepting all forms of payment | |||
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I think I've a fair grasp of English, albeit being "Southern American English" so I might be wrong. But, that is not a threat lodged against you or the posters that made the bafoonish errors. it may be a warning to someone not to say something that would get them banned from this forum. Definitely doesn't appear to be a threat. | |||
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I know, but it needed to be pointed out that Adrian did not post a thread about the hunt on here. Andrew, in a mean way, dragged Adrian over here to make fun of him and humiliate him. the ball is in Andrew's court. you know you were wrong, man up. admit you made a mistake. then move on with life. | |||
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Can someone please in light me... what is a proper buff hunt?? I don't know ANDREW never Met him before I am sure he is a GREAT guy, I also never met the poor guy that hunted " I guess in the wrong way " those buffalo COWS, but there was absolutely no reason to take him APART and I am also not Einstein but nowhere did I see him trying to mislead anyone. A buff hunt can be both for bulls and cows. O and for those that did not know it could also not be a meat hunt because no way that they can move the meat out of there since it would be behind the red line... So NOTHING MORE THAN A BUFF HUNT WERE 3 GUYS made MEMORIES FOR EVER and shot A few cow buffalo that was VERY OVIOS ON THE PHOTOS!! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Great post Phillip! I'm sure he had fun hunting them. Good for him! | |||
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My nephew shot his first deer last fall. A spike. I better not post a hunt report on AR describing it as a "trophy" because we didn't use a fancy rifle, hunt private land, pay a top notch guide and don't plan to have a life-size mount in the "trophy room". Just savor the memories of smiling first time hunter in my mind and let some pompous men posture and pose on the internet with their photos of game. Just sayin... Ski+3 | |||
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We should all just get along and kill shit... Hunters fight with each other way too much! | |||
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lol. You need to let your tracker start deciding which buffs to shoot when you can't tell a bull from a cow. that's too funny. | |||
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I suspect if you posted a picture of your Nephew's Deer to include the fact it was his first and he wasn't 30 years old then the replies would probably be ones of welcome to the Fraternity. If you as a seasoned older hunter who has shot many deer posted the picture of you with a spike then you better get a kevlar flame proof suit. I'm still surprised Joyce did not take flack for the size of her Pronghorn taken with Aaron last year. If someone snarked her (as when the time "Zombie" all but called her an ugly bitch) she would handle it better than 50% of the men on here I just put a reply on the AH thread. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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We like to encourage the young to hunt. And if all the facts are stated, no one can argue with them. | |||
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I typed a lengthy reply over on AH. I did not share this fact though. I got a personal laugh about the Nephew thing. There are maybe two hunters in my family tree going all the way out to cousin level. I started shooting a bow (long bow then recurve, then compound) around age 9. My parents were in no way contra to the idea. I'd come home from school and practice sometimes for hours by making up imaginary scenarios. Up to my first Deer hunt in my home state of PA occurred when I was 16. I had shot squirrels before that date with flu-flu arrows with judo points. Great fun and I did get much better as time wore on. Then at 16 I got an invite up to a PA deer camp for archery. The other 8 guys in camp did shoot bows but did not show much proficiency while target practicing at the camp before the opener. I read everything I could on Bow hunting whitetail and the year would have been 1969. The other hunters knew it was my first go round and posted me on the ground, no tree stand, as advised I stay as still as possible. Less than an hour after sunup I shot and killed a very small bodied Doe. I took a verbal abuse for it. These guys went to that camp in archery season to get away from their wives not really to practice enough before hand to actually kill such a stealthy animal. The relentless ribbing did not deter me from evolving into what you all know of me now as a hunter. I have one Nephew (now 41) Who entered the world of hunting three years ago with his first whitetail from a tree stand. Last year he took a Bull Elk in Montana on public lands with a guide. Double lunged a 6x5 with one hour of daylight left on his hunt. He started hunting because of my hunt reports. We plan on a fly in DYI Caribou hunt together in 2016. My point - If your skin is to thin to place a hunt report on AR or AH then what others fears of opinions do you have that are preventing you from living. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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What gets me none of the " first responders" comes out and at least apologise for taking that poor fellow and his hunting buddies apart... That worries me fellow hunters.... Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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There was nothing wrong with the hunters at all. They went on a weekend shoot and shot the animals they wanted, and obviously had a good time, and I am very happy they did. What started all this was the original poster posting a report making sound as a normal buffalo hunt. All of this would have been avoided had he mentioned their were weekend meat hunters and shooting animals unwanted by the farmer. | |||
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