quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
Hey Poyntman, I agree with what you posted.
But, It is very sad that the folks who posted the negative slams against this hunt posted their silly drivel without knowing the details before doing so.

It shows a level of childishness that gentlemen hunters should not stoop to.

It also reveals that these "experts" aren't all that expert, doesn't it?
Should these PH's go back to PH school so they could learn to identify the sex of animal?

Now, is it not time for everyone that made these posts to be made fun of in the mean spirit in which they made their posts?

Is it not time for each of them to apologize SINCERELY, instead of making "little boy" apologies where they merely acknowledge a "mistake" and try to, in a silly manner, insinuate that their own remarks were not their own fault, but the fault of South African PH's in general because all of them offer only canned hunts?

GROW UP people. Quit being children on a forum that is about grownup cultured Gentleman's Safari hunting.

I don't even know the guys that were being chided, I don't really know if I can identify female buffs from immature male buffs, but, then, I'm not an "expert PH", am I?

I do know, though, that if I was to attack someone or purposefully humiliate someone, I'd have the balls to "man up" and sincerely apologize without making excuses when I am made aware that I was wrong...... especially if I came out looking as silly as the people making the accusations on this thread.

blessings,
rphguy

In all fairness, the photos posted are so small it is hard to make out any detail at all.

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:
Rubbish these are obviously young animals and it was reported as a big game hunt.

If you feel that is acceptable to shoot young females for kicks and cash then so be it.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster.

And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not.

I keep repeating, tell it as it is.

Do not make it out to be something else.

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster.

And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not.

I keep repeating, tell it as it is.

Do not make it out to be something else.

Only you are making it out to be something else. All the original post had said was that a guy booked a hunt for a buffalo with his mates. They then each shot a buff in three days. The size of the reserve was given as 5000ha. Then by looking at the pics you could see it was a cow hunt ( which many PHs failed to see)... Just because shooting a cow in a fenced area is not your cup of tea, you took issue with it.

This hunt was no way portrayed to be anything other that it was.... Not like those cattle killers who just pop over from Botswana to have a quick snack!

If it doesn't suit your style, just move along and keep quiet. Simple.

quote:

Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
So is hunting a cow buffalo not a proper buff hunt? I just got back from A hunt in one of APNR areas we were in A herd of 400 plus buffalo and twice was mock charged by cow buffs... It was obvious from those photos they were cow buffalo... hard for me to understand why that poor guy was being taken out and insulted on the internet bad taste all around!

What gets me as that we are all hunters and should unite but NO we must always look for something to say about other hunters, Not all hunting can be done in ZAMBIA OR TANZANIA!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster.

And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not.

I keep repeating, tell it as it is.

Do not make it out to be something else.

Only you are making it out to be something else. All the original post had said was that a guy booked a hunt for a buffalo with his mates. They then each shot a buff in three days. The size of the reserve was given as 5000ha. Then by looking at the pics you could see it was a cow hunt ( which many PHs failed to see)... Just because shooting a cow in a fenced area is not your cup of tea, you took issue with it.

This hunt was no way portrayed to be anything other that it was.... Not like those cattle killers who just pop over from Botswana to have a quick snack!

If it doesn't suit your style, just move along and keep quiet. Simple.

My apologies, I am not Einstein!

I can only read what was written, and what was written, was most definitely NOT saying anything but a proper buffalo hunt.

And to me, that is misleading!

quote:

Originally posted by Poyntman:
Guys... People offended need to settle down...
Wake up...you are all right in the main respect which is people shouldn't criticize perfectly legitimate hunting...cow hunting. Etc etc etc...
Everyone get' s it and have said 50 different ways and agrees....
BUT for the 50th time...wake the F up and also realize the simple root and misunderstanding was both simple and founded...
It was flat out not listed and represented for what it was...PERIOD...
Lord Forbid there was an honest misunderstanding of the circumstance!!!!(oh by the way which is ALSO completely understandable because of about 10,000 instances of less than perfect or ethical behavior by SOME in SA.. A small Minority of people we all realize)
That's ALSO OK!!!!
Just don't get your South African nuts in wad by professing ignorance, innocence, and false disdain!
Move on....
Someone blasted some cows...WE GET IT!!!
We now realize it was under perfectly normal and normal circumstances...congratulations on not being scumbags...

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."

the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Collector:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster.

And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not.

I keep repeating, tell it as it is.

Do not make it out to be something else.

Only you are making it out to be something else. All the original post had said was that a guy booked a hunt for a buffalo with his mates. They then each shot a buff in three days. The size of the reserve was given as 5000ha. Then by looking at the pics you could see it was a cow hunt ( which many PHs failed to see)... Just because shooting a cow in a fenced area is not your cup of tea, you took issue with it.

This hunt was no way portrayed to be anything other that it was.... Not like those cattle killers who just pop over from Botswana to have a quick snack!

If it doesn't suit your style, just move along and keep quiet. Simple.

My apologies, I am not Einstein!

I can only read what was written, and what was written, was most definitely NOT saying anything but a proper buffalo hunt.

And to me, that is misleading!

I don't think the thread originator ever used the word, "proper" as you are so fond to adding. I believe he used " buffalo hunt".

Your kinda in a tight corner on this one...best to move on.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Collector:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster.

And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not.

I keep repeating, tell it as it is.

Do not make it out to be something else.

Only you are making it out to be something else. All the original post had said was that a guy booked a hunt for a buffalo with his mates. They then each shot a buff in three days. The size of the reserve was given as 5000ha. Then by looking at the pics you could see it was a cow hunt ( which many PHs failed to see)... Just because shooting a cow in a fenced area is not your cup of tea, you took issue with it.

This hunt was no way portrayed to be anything other that it was.... Not like those cattle killers who just pop over from Botswana to have a quick snack!

If it doesn't suit your style, just move along and keep quiet. Simple.

My apologies, I am not Einstein!

I can only read what was written, and what was written, was most definitely NOT saying anything but a proper buffalo hunt.

And to me, that is misleading!

I don't think the thread originator ever used the word, "proper" as you are so fond to adding. I believe he used " buffalo hunt".

Your kinda in a tight corner on this one...best to move on.

I am not in any corner and I am not going anywhere.

The original post was blatantly misleading, portraying a meat or cull hunt as a trophy hunt.

Andrew had the balls to call it, and he gets threatened.

I have nothing wrong with shooting cows - I have shot quite a few, and have always stated as shooting them for meat or bait. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And for those who have their heads stuck somewhere where the sun does not shine, shoot whatever you wish, but do NOT portray it as something else.

This is a classic example of blatant dishonesty! By both PHs and those who book for them!

Just goes to show that one certainly has to be extremely careful who to "hunt" with in South Africa, and which booking agent to use.

The funny part is a few years ago I had to do some research about hunting in South Africa, and I contacted a number of outfitters and PHs.

It was quite an eye opener!

Some of them really have no business dealing with hunters whatsoever - not sure they actually know what hunting is anyway.

I eventually booked with a great guy - Peter Harris - who was so honest he refused to take us to some farms - saying "you won't like it there. It is like shooting fish in a barrel".

Guess what happened next time I wanted to hunt in South Africa?

Yep, I just called Peter and booked our hunt with him.

The original poster did say he was on a "buffalo hunt".

He just conveniently forgot to mention it was a cull hunt for cows unwanted by the farmer who owns them!

And that is NOT a proper buffalo hunt.

quote:

Originally posted by ted thorn:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Bill Collector:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by MD375:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:
then why did they not ask a question rather than shooting their mouths off?

I've heard it many times that "it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt."


the OP and many others made mean-spirited posts, the least they can do is make a real apology.

Why would he make an apology??

Andrew has not done anything wrong.

He raised a point which could have been avoided if the original poster did not make this meat hunt as a trophy hunt!!

The original post is posted above, read it, what do you understand??

It was not a meat hunt.

The meat was donated to a sanctuary.

Fine, but that is not how it was portrayed by the original poster.

And until Andrew drew attention to it, no one mentioned anything but a proper buffalo hunt - which it most certainly was not.

I keep repeating, tell it as it is.

Do not make it out to be something else.

Only you are making it out to be something else. All the original post had said was that a guy booked a hunt for a buffalo with his mates. They then each shot a buff in three days. The size of the reserve was given as 5000ha. Then by looking at the pics you could see it was a cow hunt ( which many PHs failed to see)... Just because shooting a cow in a fenced area is not your cup of tea, you took issue with it.

This hunt was no way portrayed to be anything other that it was.... Not like those cattle killers who just pop over from Botswana to have a quick snack!

If it doesn't suit your style, just move along and keep quiet. Simple.

My apologies, I am not Einstein!

I can only read what was written, and what was written, was most definitely NOT saying anything but a proper buffalo hunt.

And to me, that is misleading!

I don't think the thread originator ever used the word, "proper" as you are so fond to adding. I believe he used " buffalo hunt".

Your kinda in a tight corner on this one...best to move on.

I am not in any corner and I am not going anywhere.

The original post was blatantly misleading, portraying a meat or cull hunt as a trophy hunt.

Andrew had the balls to call it, and he gets threatened.

I have nothing wrong with shooting cows - I have shot quite a few, and have always stated as shooting them for meat or bait. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And for those who have their heads stuck somewhere where the sun does not shine, shoot whatever you wish, but do NOT portray it as something else.

This is a classic example of blatant dishonesty! By both PHs and those who book for them!

Just goes to show that one certainly has to be extremely careful who to "hunt" with in South Africa, and which booking agent to use.

The funny part is a few years ago I had to do some research about hunting in South Africa, and I contacted a number of outfitters and PHs.

It was quite an eye opener!

Some of them really have no business dealing with hunters whatsoever - not sure they actually know what hunting is anyway.

I eventually booked with a great guy - Peter Harris - who was so honest he refused to take us to some farms - saying "you won't like it there. It is like shooting fish in a barrel".

Guess what happened next time I wanted to hunt in South Africa?

Yep, I just called Peter and booked our hunt with him.

The original poster did say he was on a "buffalo hunt".

He just conveniently forgot to mention it was a cull hunt for cows unwanted by the farmer who owns them!

And that is NOT a proper buffalo hunt.

I've sat and listened....damn!! I read every single word of the thread on AH

I do not see any claims whatsoever as this being anything but a Buffalo hunt

Please link the post that is misleading

Egos and even bigger egos.....what a mess this thread is

Like I pointed out before.....there has to be a reason the African hunt report forum here on AR is on life support

I remember a better AR from years ago.....all things change.....sad to see

Friends I have made from AR have literally changed my life....I text them when I care to share and skip the AR post these days

My first African hunt report last year was my last

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

Just as posting hunt reports is the choice of the individual, participating here is a choice too.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
"..Careful Mate,

You might draw the attention of the moderators...."

And I suppose the above is not a threat either!

Bloody hell, I wish I could understand English better!

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
"..Careful Mate,

You might draw the attention of the moderators...."

And I suppose the above is not a threat either!

Bloody hell, I wish I could understand English better!

quote:

Originally posted by ted thorn:


Actually I view it as attempted humor
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Rphguy....I think Saeed was telling me that it was my choice to not subject my hunt report to be judged here

quote:

Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
Can someone please in light me... what is a proper buff hunt?? I don't know ANDREW never Met him before I am sure he is a GREAT guy, I also never met the poor guy that hunted " I guess in the wrong way " those buffalo COWS, but there was absolutely no reason to take him APART and I am also not Einstein but nowhere did I see him trying to mislead anyone. A buff hunt can be both for bulls and cows. O and for those that did not know it could also not be a meat hunt because no way that they can move the meat out of there since it would be behind the red line... So NOTHING MORE THAN A BUFF HUNT WERE 3 GUYS made MEMORIES FOR EVER and shot A few cow buffalo that was VERY OVIOS ON THE PHOTOS!!

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:
Rubbish these are obviously young animals and it was reported as a big game hunt.

If you feel that is acceptable to shoot young females for kicks and cash then so be it.

quote:

Originally posted by Rphguy:

quote:

Originally posted by fairgame:
Rubbish these are obviously young animals and it was reported as a big game hunt.

If you feel that is acceptable to shoot young females for kicks and cash then so be it.

I would trust the judgment of ALL the trackers that I have hunted with instead of some of those pretending to be "professional hunters" on the Internet, and those who book for them!
lol.
You need to let your tracker start deciding which buffs to shoot when you can't tell a bull from a cow. that's too funny.

quote:

Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
My nephew shot his first deer last fall.
A spike.
I better not post a hunt report on AR describing it as a "trophy" because we didn't use a fancy rifle, hunt private land, pay a top notch guide and don't plan to have a life-size mount in the "trophy room".
Just savor the memories of smiling first time hunter in my mind and let some pompous men posture and pose on the internet with their photos of game.

Just sayin...
Ski+3

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
My nephew shot his first deer last fall.
A spike.
I better not post a hunt report on AR describing it as a "trophy" because we didn't use a fancy rifle, hunt private land, pay a top notch guide and don't plan to have a life-size mount in the "trophy room".
Just savor the memories of smiling first time hunter in my mind and let some pompous men posture and pose on the internet with their photos of game.

Just sayin...
Ski+3

I suspect if you posted a picture of your Nephew's Deer to include the fact it was his first and he wasn't 30 years old then the replies would probably be ones of welcome to the Fraternity.

If you as a seasoned older hunter who has shot many deer posted the picture of you with a spike then you better get a kevlar flame proof suit.

I'm still surprised Joyce did not take flack for the size of her Pronghorn taken with Aaron last year.

If someone snarked her (as when the time "Zombie" all but called her an ugly bitch) she would handle it better than 50% of the men on here

I just put a reply on the AH thread.

Cheers
Jim

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by Frostbit:

quote:

Originally posted by SkiBumplus3:
My nephew shot his first deer last fall.
A spike.
I better not post a hunt report on AR describing it as a "trophy" because we didn't use a fancy rifle, hunt private land, pay a top notch guide and don't plan to have a life-size mount in the "trophy room".
Just savor the memories of smiling first time hunter in my mind and let some pompous men posture and pose on the internet with their photos of game.

Just sayin...
Ski+3

I suspect if you posted a picture of your Nephew's Deer to include the fact it was his first and he wasn't 30 years old then the replies would probably be ones of welcome to the Fraternity.

If you as a seasoned older hunter who has shot many deer posted the picture of you with a spike then you better get a kevlar flame proof suit.

I'm still surprised Joyce did not take flack for the size of her Pronghorn taken with Aaron last year.

If someone snarked her (as when the time "Zombie" all but called her an ugly bitch) she would handle it better than 50% of the men on here

I just put a reply on the AH thread.

Cheers
Jim

We like to encourage the young to hunt.

And if all the facts are stated, no one can argue with them.

quote:

Originally posted by INTREPID SAFARIS:
What gets me none of the " first responders" comes out and at least apologise for taking that poor fellow and his hunting buddies apart... That worries me fellow hunters....