Today I went deer hunting here in Idaho and scored on a small mulie buck 2x3 with my .223.

Shot was 281 lazered yards and he just rolled down a steep hill dead when hit, one shot and it's over. Had a nice broadside shot with a great rest and punched him in the chest. We just drove the jeep up to him and after field dressing loaded him in the back. He was shot on a hill overlooking an alfalfa field and usually those deer taste wonderful.

Load was Rl-7 with a Nosler BT 40g. at 3975 fps over the chronograph. That's more than the book but it is coming out of a 26" barrel with an additional 8" suppressor on the end. The load continues to work.

TEANCUM,

Sorry, I don't believe it. 22 centerfires are too small for deer.

Oh wait, that is misinformation coming guys who have never used them!

Congrats on filling the freezer, hope the hunt was gratifying.

SD

Your load has 470 foot pounds of energy and an optimal game weight of 34 pounds at 300 yards.

Moron.

Teancum--Did that deer weigh in at less than 34 pounds? That would make it an ideal rig. Now if it happened to be bigger than that you can be assured it is a deer that does not read the internet. Ive never shot one at anywhere near that range, and have not used that light of a bullet, but your results are typical of what I have seen with .223. I'm sure someone from Ak will be along with some words of wisdom based on vast non experience.

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Originally posted by Robert Wilde:
Your load has 470 foot pounds of energy and an optimal game weight of 34 pounds at 300 yards.

Moron.

I'm sure that he weighed in at larger than 34 pounds at least he felt like it when we loaded him in the back of the jeep but I'll check again on the total weight just for you.

Hold on a sec........ yep he still weighs more than 34 pounds and he still is dead. Imagine that, but I'm sure he didn't go through the calculation of foot pounds of energy all he did was.......die.

Amazing, isn't it what a small high speed bullet will do?

Imbecile. (you might have to look that one up)

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Originally posted by SDhunter:
TEANCUM,

Sorry, I don't believe it. 22 centerfires are too small for deer.

Oh wait, that is misinformation coming guys who have never used them!

Congrats on filling the freezer, hope the hunt was gratifying.

SD

Thanks. Our family (4 boys) have taken over a dozen deer from a honey spot that we have on one of the ranches there and we have lots of fond memories from those trips.

I've been butchering the critters myself and cutting them up into steaks or stew meat and after soaking them in some big plastic buckets with salt in them, the meat comes out tasting like cheap beef!!!

Which isn't bad for venison as I, like you, have tasted some really gamey meat from some areas.

Robert Wilde--I have no experience keyboard shooting deer where weight of the animal becomes a factor. I sure wouldn't want to use the wrong combination. I was wondering do they have a laser scale you can get the weight same as you can laser the distance? If not do you have to run em down and catch them so you can weigh them? Please tell us about your obviously vast experience using small cals on deer that made you decide someone that successfully did it is a moron.

Wish I had the confidence in a .22 centerfire for anything bigger than a yote but I can't even bring myself to use a .243 for deer.

However I won't condemn those who do successfully.

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Originally posted by Donald Nelson:
Wish I had the confidence in a .22 centerfire for anything bigger than a yote but I can't even bring myself to use a .243 for deer.

However I won't condemn those who do successfully.

+1
I just have a lot more confidence in my 7mm's.

What an idiot....suppose you had the tracking dog ready if the deer had moved or the wind blew...or were you just gonna leave it for the coyotes? Another Coney Island sharpshooter.

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Originally posted by JonP:
What an idiot....suppose you had the tracking dog ready if the deer had moved or the wind blew...or were you just gonna leave it for the coyotes? Another Coney Island sharpshooter.

Didn't need a tracking dog.... he just died when hit.

Wind wasn't blowing at all that day, wish you had been there.

Saw two coyotes but they were way out there and the ranch owner said to shoot all the coyotes we saw. Maybe next time and perhaps you could join us.

Last time I was in New York I didn't get the chance to go to Coney Island but wondered if most of your shooting experience comes from the boardwalk there?? I bet you're a hum dinger in those shooting booths.

Anxiously looking forward to your resume on the use of the .223 on deer. Wait a second....................I'm betting you don't have any !!! You stinker.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Today I went deer hunting here in Idaho and scored on a small mulie buck 2x3 with my .223.

Shot was 281 lazered yards and he just rolled down a steep hill dead when hit, one shot and it's over. Had a nice broadside shot with a great rest and punched him in the chest. We just drove the jeep up to him and after field dressing loaded him in the back. He was shot on a hill overlooking an alfalfa field and usually those deer taste wonderful.

Load was Rl-7 with a Nosler BT 40g. at 3975 fps over the chronograph. That's more than the book but it is coming out of a 26" barrel with an additional 8" suppressor on the end. The load continues to work.

You must be one of those pansy girly men. Everyone knows the 30-06 should be the minimum for a true man to hunt deer.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...3411043/m/6831099461

My last post was obviously a joke. Let's see some pics. I always hate reading about a successful hunt without seeing the pics.

Many will swear by it others swear at it. While I would never take a 40grBT to a mule deer hunt to each his own.

Why a BT rather than a NP ?

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Originally posted by mete:
Why a BT rather than a NP ?

Good question.

That load is producing about 2400-2500 fps at 300 yards and the performance of the Nosler BT with it's solid base is to yield greater penetration than at the higher muzzle velocity. See tests done by others on these boards in testing penetration of Nosler BT's at reduced velocities.

I've had bad luck with the Partitions in other calibers with them penciling through and not expanding at all. I shot a 4x4 mule deer buck with a .270 with Nosler Partitions 130g broadside at 175-200 yards and had very bad performance. Due to the terrain, being in a small bowl, we got the deer but it took two more shots.

Wow a 40gr BT?

I would use any of the larger tougher bullets but not a 40 BT. Have you used the BT on many deer? I have had marginal penetration with Rem 55gr softs on impala which are a good deal smaller framed than a mulie buck.

Just my opinion...

Winchester makes a 28gr. bullet that's more than enough for elk, moose, or bear. Why waste precious lead with a 40gr.

Teamcum,

I'm not sure I believe you were able to kill a deer with a .224 bullet.

You will need to send me the backstraps so I can verify it is dead.

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
Teamcum,

I'm not sure I believe you were able to kill a deer with a .224 bullet.

You will need to send me the backstraps so I can verify it is dead.

I'd like a little evidence too, wrap mine in pepper bacon...

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and after soaking them in some big plastic buckets with salt in them, the meat comes out tasting like cheap beef!!!

I've soaked bloodshot meat in salt or vinager and water but never the whole thing. you do it to try to change the taste?

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Originally posted by kayaker:
Wow a 40gr BT?

I would use any of the larger tougher bullets but not a 40 BT. Have you used the BT on many deer? I have had marginal penetration with Rem 55gr softs on impala which are a good deal smaller framed than a mulie buck.

Just my opinion...

Yes our family (4 sons) have used the BT exclusively on deer, elk, and recently on moose. We've take game, usually at longer distances except for the moose, in .223, 22-250, .243, .270 and 300WM all using the BT. I actually called a Nosler tech about 5-7 years ago and asked him for his recommendation for taking elk at extended ranges with a 300WM. He told me that they recommend the Partition for elk and after we talked for a while I asked him about the use of BT on elk. He said that what he told me was the corporate response but in his personal opinion a BT would work just fine at longer ranges. He also told me not to shoot a bull at 40 yards in the shoulder and then complain about the lack of penetration. Two of our sons later that year took 2 cows at some long long ranges and put them down quickly.

I think it's a matter of having the right velocity when the bullet meets the critter that seems to be a factor.

I remember a long time ago Nosler use to sell what they called a Solid Base bullet and have wondered if that was the genius of the BT? Just a guess on my part.

Do a search for Seafire's experiments as well as others on the penetration of BT at lower velocities. His field work is impressive as well as some of the other lads that have posted here. The darn BT just seem to work on game at the right velocity!!!!

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Originally posted by theback40:

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and after soaking them in some big plastic buckets with salt in them, the meat comes out tasting like cheap beef!!!

I've soaked bloodshot meat in salt or vinager and water but never the whole thing. you do it to try to change the taste?

Sorry for the confusion on the previous post. After I have deboned and cut up the meat is when I then soak it in some salt water. The reason for the soaking is to draw out as much blood as possible from the meat which helps to reduce the gamey taste, IMHO.

I will change the water about 2-3 times depending on how much blood shows up in the water and then a good final wash to get rid of most of the salt. Even with that wash you can get some salty tasting meat and we never salt the meat when served until after tasting it and seeing if it's what we prefer.

Just seems to work for us. You might try it next time and see what you think.

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Originally posted by TomP:

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Originally posted by Antelope Sniper:
Teamcum,

I'm not sure I believe you were able to kill a deer with a .224 bullet.

You will need to send me the backstraps so I can verify it is dead.

I'd like a little evidence too, wrap mine in pepper bacon...

How about some Spanish steak with those steaks in a tomato based sauce with lots of onions, fresh tomatoes, salsa in a crock pot for 3 hours?

Not to worry......its in the mail!!!

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I will change the water about 2-3 times depending on how much blood shows up in the water and then a good final wash to get rid of most of the salt. Even with that wash you can get some salty tasting meat and we never salt the meat when served until after tasting it and seeing if it's what we prefer.

I dont salt until done either.
How long would you guess for all 2-3 soaks? Deer season is right around the corner, so I think I'll give it a try on a chunk. I never found properly handled venison to be gamey, but am willing to try something new!

I wonder why the 223 is such an obsession for you? You are gettimg boring on this topic.

In my experience, the old solid bases were not as fragile as the later Ballistic Tips.

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In my experience, the old solid bases were not as fragile as the later Ballistic Tips.

I agree, I love the things and buy them up when ever I find them in most any caliber.

So do I... at last count I had 70 unopened boxes in everything from .224 to .308. I think I pretty well have everything covered...

I couldn’t care less if you shot deer with a Daisy BB gun or a 458 Lott. Your “thing” on the 223 is,,,,,,,,,,,,,, interesting!

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Originally posted by theback40:

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I will change the water about 2-3 times depending on how much blood shows up in the water and then a good final wash to get rid of most of the salt. Even with that wash you can get some salty tasting meat and we never salt the meat when served until after tasting it and seeing if it's what we prefer.

I dont salt until done either.
How long would you guess for all 2-3 soaks? Deer season is right around the corner, so I think I'll give it a try on a chunk. I never found properly handled venison to be gamey, but am willing to try something new!

A day or two of soaking and changing the water should do it. Keep an eye on the temperature to make sure the area you keep the bucket in doesn't get too warm.

Good Luck and tell me what you think.

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Originally posted by lee440:
In my experience, the old solid bases were not as fragile as the later Ballistic Tips.

I think I still have a partial box of .224's in a 55g format. I would like to also find more of those solid bases as they seem to perform well on game and accuracy was amazing.

Do you lads know when they discontinued them?

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I wonder why the 223 is such an obsession for you? You are gettimg boring on this topic.

Probably to refute the crap that is spread. I refer you to my statement above.

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22 centerfires are too small for deer.

Oh wait, that is misinformation coming guys who have never used them!

I have used them. So what?
Take one to Africa and give it a whirl.
One of the other ding dongs here killed a zebra at about the distance you shot your deer. I guess that makes you a slacker.

I just read the original post again. Is it legal in Idaho to use a supressor for hunting? I know it's legal in many place in Europe but I didn't think it was allowed in the US for game animals.

Some yes, some no. Never understood why we can't in Texas.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
Some yes, some no. Never understood why we can't in Texas.

I agree. Seems like protecting your hearing would be a good thing. It's not like the supressed rifle round is going to be whisper quiet like in the movies.

If people didn't make posts about their experiences, this place wouldn't exist. Teancum kills a deer and shares the story. Had he just posted he killed a deer and left off the part about it being with a .223--people would be asking what he used and wanting the details. He has been there done that before, as has his sons, so he knows it works and that is what he used. If it bores you, why even read the thread? If you don't believe it, what factual actual experience do you have to challenge him? Yes this does come up a lot. Why? Because lot of people do it with favorable results and they repeat it. If it didn't work, they wouldn't repeat and would post that. Thanks for posting it Teancum--I found the range and the bullet weight well beyond what I thought possible, and I do know how well the .223 works.

They are legal for hunting in Idaho as well as the use of any centerfire rifle caliber for big game. In Idaho we enjoy a lot of freedoms that aren't always available in other states.

ScottfromDallas

You are correct about that round not being whisper quiet. Any round that starts out supersonic (approximately more than 1100fps depending on location) will have the sound suppressed but not whisper quiet. It actually makes a unique sound and apparently does void the noise path for about 35-50 yards. This makes it harder to identify the source of the sound and if you miss, that sometimes happens, the critters are confused. I've overshot coyotes before and actually had them run toward me because they saw the bullet impact of the other side of them. It sounds like a lot of loud rushing noise it that can be imagined. It is fun to shoot that round without ear protection and not be exposed to any damaging conditions.

In many of the other countries around the world it is considered "bad form" not to have a suppressed rifle because of the loud harmful noise created by center-fire rounds. My understanding is that in Great Britain and Australia this is the case. You lads from there can amplify/correct that statement.

Mine were made by High Tech Gunworks by George Vais the developer of the Vais muzzle breaks. Those muzzle breaks that he sold were wonderful in that they did not increase the decibel rating very much at all, and that was the origin of his suppressors. He has since moved back to Greece and sold the business.

I have another one on a bolt action .22lr and when shooting subsonic ammo it is indeed whisper or Hollywood quiet. You actually hear the firing pin strike and the bullet impact and those that have shot it, if they are new shooters, are confused after pulling the trigger and don't know what has happened. Fun times.