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He calls PH X back and says he will refund my money, but he can’t have anyone at the airport the next day with the cash. PH X told him he had until Monday July 27 to have the money in my account.

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Originally posted by dogcat:

Fourth, you get what you pay for in life. There are no "deals" out there, especially on this a hunt. If prices were below "market", then you take risks regardless of the TV aspect.

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Originally posted by Karl S:
First off, my hopes of having a fair "trail by internet" is not high. But anyway, here are some of my observations. Also, I had a great time with Tim and his cameraman for the 5 days we where together, and would not have suspected sometihing like this from him. If I offend anyone, even Tim, I am sorry, but this is the way I saw it:

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Firstly, let me say that I do not like being negative, and I certainly do not enjoy filing this report. I do feel a responsibility to write this, so hopefully I can help save someone else from the same fate as me.

So let me say, that my “leopard hunt” with Karl Stumpfe was unbelievably bad. Karl, broke our contracted agreement in numerous ways, (the only one that I know of, was that I will be your PH. We agreed on the phone before you came that it might be neccicary) and lied to me so many times, I can’t even count them all. (You opinion) I am attaching the section of Karl’s contract that shows what he would provide at the bottom. Also, for the record, I had a cameraman with me from ESPN to promote Karl, and I was paying to hunt (at a discount). We had a lot of money invested in the trip with 2 airfares, cameraman costs that are very high, hunt costs, etc.

As some of you know, Karl tried to cancel my hunt 2 days before I was to leave. He said he had other clients from Russia spending more money than me, (never my words, I told you that I had some issues with a PH not working for me anymore, and that that is creating a huge problem form me, and if we cannot postpone your hunt, or that I will refund you, and you come later anyways.) and he had a PH quit him, so he was going to drop me to go hunt the other guys. After we talked and I reminded him that my contract stated that HE would be my PH for 10 days, not someone else, etc. Karl then called and said that he hired another PH for the Russian hunters, so he could do my hunt. (At this point, we agreed on 2 points:
1 I leave as soon as the cat is killed
2 I can leave if the pressure are too high on the PH hunting with the russians
So Karl meets us at airport, we have a problem with cameraman’s work Visa, but we (NOT WE, me and Ken) get that worked out and go to camp. Around the campfire, we talk about the hunt, and Karl tells me…
If it is OK with you, I will stay with you until you kill a cat, whether that be day 2, 4, 8 or 10, and then I will run up to the other camp with the Russians. (That is a lie, we agreed to above on the telephne before you flew here.)– I agree, wanting to be helpful, and after all , this hunt was all about the leopard.

Karl also says…I have plenty of good PG places lined up. You can kill a couple 2 ½ curl kudu, mt zebra, gemsbok, etc. with no problem, and it will be places where we can usually get 100 yards or less, for good footage. (a couple of 2.5 curl kudu? Tim, you are lying, and you know it.)So things sound great…

Day 1 – Check leopard baits. It is cold and cloudy, so Karl says PG hunting won’t be any good, so we sit around camp virtually all day. It clears off and we take a ride in afternoon looking for gemsbok on the ranch we are staying on, where getting within 200-250 yards of any animal on the ground is incredibly hard as it is mostly wide open plains. (Open? did you not mention how thick it is?)Day 2 – Check leopard baits. Go to town and drop off cameraman’s passport to get Visa taken care of. Karl had told me there was a free range ranch with huge springbok about 20 minutes from the ranch where we were staying and we could hunt it on the way back. He said the trophy fee was 3 times what he quotes me (from $100 up to $300) because of the quality and landowner, but I agreed to the price. (had no idea this was the start of a trend). (I mentioned that we have shot very good springbok there before, then you asked can we go there. I said no, as the prices are so high, and you asked what is high. When I mentioned it, you said if you have a good chance at a 16 inch ram, you will be willing to take it at that price. No trend at all, as the majority of places we hunt on, I had deals with the landowners to do the hunt for that price.) We went to Karl’s house 3 times that day, he worked on the computer for other clients, (while we were waiting for the cameraman's passport, as you where with when the lady told me that she might make a plan today still. BTW, the drive to town, and back, as well as the lunch, and the exorbant 20US$ that she charged for the typing, where paid by me, even though it was clearly not my choice to go to town for the day.) we went for a long lunch, and basically pissed around all afternoon, and then Karl said, “sorry guys, we won’t have time to stop and hunt springbok. (after the lady phoned me and said nothing can be done, and that she has handed in the passport, and that it will probaly take a few days.)Day 3 – Check leopard baits. Finally we go hunt springbok. To disclose the truth…I missed a ram. Then we got another chance, and I killed a monster 16” ram with almost 7” bases. Things were good. We drove around “our” ranch in the afternoon, did no stalks. We had fun joking and telling stories. Then that evening, Karl informs us that he is leaving us the next day to go hunt with the Russians. (You have your dates a little mixed up, I am pretty sure I only left on day 5, but anyway, I did inform you long before that, even before you left the US.) He is leaving us with the leopard dog guy, who is also a PH and owns our ranch. He says he is also leaving his tracker ,Godfried ,and cook, Rose, with us. I am not happy! (Then why on earth did you not tell me then, Tim? Only your cameraman said he is sorry to see me go, but also adds that he understood.)Day 4 – Check leopard baits. Karl leaves us in morning. We drive around looking for PG with Godfried. As soon as we get back to camp, we see Godfried and Rose packing to leave. Karl had called and had them go up to Caprivi with him. Karl told me he had everything lined up for the PH he was leaving us with (let’s call him PH X ) to be able to take us to the other PG areas where we would hunt kudu, zebra, etc. and the terrain was good for stalking and filming. (I did orginise that, but it seemed that PH X was not too interetsed in leaving his own ranch. For that, and for hiring him, and for not being able to continue the hunt with you, I am truely sorry, and if I could have it any other way, i would have. But you where not intereted in anything other than to start a campaign against me, so be it.)Now I will relate some things Karl told us before he left either riding around in the truck or at the campfire. 1) He said that when they hunt leopards over bait, that 80-90% are killed at night with a light, which is illegal – he said as long as there was no video camera around, that’s how they do it (you know as well as I do that I was referring to the hunting industry in general. Please find one single client that has done that with me, and I will give you an elephant hunt) 2) Speaking about the “problem lions he has and was selling here – up near the gemsbok park, he told me there was a big resident male with huge mane, but it was radio collared and was off limits. He said he was hoping to dart it, get rid of the collar (or put it on a small male), and then go in and kill the big male as one of the “problem lions” (I said that as the owner himself has put on the collar, he wanted to get rid of the collar, as it was not functioning anymore, and that the best thing would be to dart this lion and aanother young male and swap the collars. 3) He told me he was hoping to find a big tusker in one of his northern concessions, make it charge, and then he could kill it as “self defense” (You know as well as I do that is also a big lie. You also know that I recently had to shoot an elephant in self defence, and that the whole episode still haunts me. When we where at the taxidermist, I jokingly said something along the lines of the only way I will be able to afford an elephant like the one on display (a replica of a 100 pounder), was if he charged me) 4) he told us the ranch where we were staying and doing most of the hunting was 17,000 acres. The owner told us it was 6,000 (Yes, because it is 6000 ha, and if you do your math, that is around 15 000. Maybe you should also educate your new best buddy, PH X on the difference between acres and hectares. I thought it was 7 000 ha, thus around 17 000 acres, but do make an issue over 2000 acres.) 5) Karl said there were 2 female leopards, one big male and 1 130-140 lb male on our ranch and they were hitting the baits regularly. The owner said there was one big male who occasionally walked the ranch border, and he had hit a bait once 2 months before- and one small female who hit often. He said there were no other leopards around that he knew of. (I was stating what the owner said to me, and what I have seen there on prevoius occations.) 6) Karl said he had baits on 2-3 other ranches in the immediate vicinity and had guys checking them and they would call if there was a hit. PH X said this was total B.S. (Well, I can go and show you or anyone interested where your other baits was.)He also told us there were much better places to leopard hunt (Whould that be the Khomas region? He specifically told me he is tired of breaking his car and dogs there, and that their area is just as good as the rest for hunting leopard. What about the cat that the close neighbour could not kill, even after chasing it for the whole day with dogs?) 7) PH x said Karl had not told him about having any other PG places lined up for us to hunt, and Karl told him to just keep driving us around the ranch. (again, a lie which I will take up with him, but also hearsay, as is all the other nonsense you are quoting him as saying.)Day 5 – Checked leopard baits – drove around to hunt PG on our ranch.
Day 6 - Checked leopard baits – drove around to hunt PG on our ranch. I had asked every day of we could go to the other PG spots after checking baits. Finally, that evening, I called Karl and asked about this. He tells me that PH X is lined up to take us for kudu. PH X said his “kudu” place had been hit hard by rabies, and we likely wouldn’t see any mature bulls there. (Not what he told me, but anyway, if he told me that I could ahve amde another plan.) I told Karl this and pressed the issue. He said he would organize for us to go to one of his places the next day.
Day 7 - Checked leopard baits. Went to Karl’s other ranch about 2 hours away. PH X had been on the property once in his life, 3 years ago. (another lie. He hunted there for me with a group twice in the last 3 seasons, and I have the photos and the clients (from AR) to proove it.) As we pull up to the property, Karl sends us a text telling us that the following trophy fees apply (I will also show what the trophy fees were that were in my contract). (I recieved a text asking for the cost prices on the ranch, and tried to phone PH X. failing that, I text back the prices, also saying shoot anything except the zebra, as I am willing to take the knock on anything else but the zebra is full price). As you can see, he raised the prices quite a bit on everything. I was still going to shoot kudu and argue about the trophy fees, but we hunted all day and never saw a mature bull. BTW…Karl’s cook Rose was in this camp – so she never went to Caprivi. (I had her trasnferred there, as some of the Russians wanted to come down adn shoot PG.) We highly suspect that Karl didn’t go hunt Caprivi. We think that the Russians were moved to this camp 20 minutes from Windhoek, and Karl was there with them.
Kudu – from $600 to $750
Mt Zebra – from $500 to $1200
Eland – from $1000 to $1500
There were others quoted – all at much higher prices than originally in contract. I did not shoot anything.

Days 8- Checked baits – went to PH X’s kudu ranch – no mature bulls. We call Karl and ask where my cameraman’s VISA is. Karl said he would have it picked up by day 5. He said it was all taken care of. (see the photo attached below, if there is anyone willing to translate what the text says in English, this was received by me from the agency that did the visa. I send my driver to pick it up and take it to my home, but also phone this lady about the passport. she then says it is only the approval that is at her office, and not the passport. I orginised with my wife to pick it up, the next day, but am phoned and told that PH x's girlfriend picked it up. I NEVER klied about the passport, I went out of my way to get it for a person I considered a friend, and was misquoted and made a lyer by someone that does not have the decency to listen to someone else on a telephone. If that lady said no one contacted he with regards the passport, she is the one lying. BTW, which one of the 2 did you speak to?)We do not believe him. Karl says it is all at his house. We ask for him to have someone bring it out half way to the ranch and meet us with it that night. He says OK. 3 hours later, he sends a text saying that he has the Visa, but not the passport. He says he will get it all the next day, and have Godfried meet us with it at the airport upon our departure. We cannot chance this…

Karl tells PH X he has a plan for us to go hunt PG somewhere the next day and he wants us to stay in Windhoek that night. He wants to bring in one of the Russians the next day, take him around the ranch with the leopard dogs – and act like he is hunting him for leopard – because that was part of the hunt he sold him. He said the Russian wouldn’t know that baits needed to be checked first thing in the morning, and if they found any kind of tracks, they could turn the dogs out, act like they just didn’t catch the leopard, and the Russian would think he had been leopard hunting. We refused to leave the ranch for this… (If he said that, he is clearly lying. It is a good thing he is 120km away from me at the moment, as I am not in a happy place because of all the apparant lies. I will take it up with him, as well as some other issues.)Day 9 – Checked baits – hunted our ranch for PG – nothing. We have PH X’s girlfriend in Windhoek go to pick up cameraman’s passport/Visa. It is not done, but they tell us no one has called or been in to check on it. It will be done the next morning. We decide we will go get it ourselves, or cameraman is stuck in Namibia. (so we have proved everything Karl has told us about it was a lie.)(See photo again, I tried my best to orginise the passport, and without my effort, your cameraman would not have made it into namibia or out again, and you know it.) He tells us on day 9 that he has it taken care of again…

Day 10 – we are in Windhoek when passport office opens at 8 am. Have PH’s X’s tracker check baits. We tell them we are not leaving office without passport. It takes until 11 AM to get it picked up. Still at this point (and office closes at 1PM – Karl has never checked on the passport/visa) We eat lunch, do some shopping, I stop in NAPHA office to get contact info for filing an official complaint, and make it back to ranch for last evening of PG hunting.

That evening, I talk to Karl on phone, tell him exactly what I think of how he treated us, and told him I expected a full refund. I confronted him about most of his lies, and he tried to come up with lame B.S. stories over and over, that weren’t even good lies. He lies so much, he can’t keep them all straight. He calls PH X back and says he will refund my money, but he can’t have anyone at the airport the next day with the cash. PH X told him he had until Monday July 27 to have the money in my account.

We left for home the next day. I sent Karl an e-mail with my bank info, but I have never heard back from him, and don’t expect to.

I have send you an email as soon as I returned, which was a few hours ago.*When Karl left us with PH X – He didn’t leave enough food for us – took his cook, etc. PH X had to do much of the cooking, and he was not supplied to feed us. (I sent extra food with him when he drove with me to town to come and get his vehicle, and also told him that if he needed anything else, that he should get it or phone my wife to get it.)
*PH X told Karl that he would not run dogs for him any more because of the way this whole thing went down. (Up to now, he has not done that. But luckily he is not the last person with dogs, and eyedoc's hunt is taken care of. And if any of the things you said he sai are true, he has no need to tell me that, as I will not want to use him again for a mouse hunt.)Eyedoc from AR is scheduled to do a dog hunt with Karl starting next week. Karl told PH x that that was OK, he would just do it as a bait hunt. (another lie, either by you or PH X) That isn’t what Eyedoc paid for, and again, Karl kills 80-90% of his leopards over bait illegally at night. (nother lie, please back up this story, as you are sreading lies without proof.) I am sure Karl wouldn’t tell Eyedoc this until he arrived in Namibia, but I called Mike. Karl’s other dog guy from South Africa was in bed with pneumonia and had a ripped hamstring while we were there, and he was calling every day asking Karl for the money he was owed for past hunts (He is working for me at this very moment, thank you very much.)– so I am sure he isn’t going to be working for Karl in the near future.

*When PH X drove Karl to town to leave us on day 4, Karl got a call from a South African booking agent and client who just landed in Namibia for a leopard hunt. PH X said Karl told them he would call them back shortly. When he got off the phone, he was scrambling to find something, somewhere, and someone to take this client on a hunt, as he had nothing lined up for him. ( I am getting tired of typing this, but that is another fabrication/ lie. Who might that have been, as I have no idea.)Here is a copy of what Karl was to provide per his contract…you can see that he broke various parts of this – mainly that he would be my PH for the whole trip and changing trophy fees in mid-hunt.

Hunting Contract between
NDUMO HUNTING SAFARIS NAMIBIA_ and__
_Tim Herald____________________________________________
The client* (see name above) and Ndumo Hunting Safaris Namibia, agree to the following terms and conditions of this contract. (The Contract)
The client will hunt with Karl Stumpfe as PH, at any of Ndumo’s concessions.
The client will be met at Windhoek International Airport, on the 11th of July 2009, and dropped off no later than the 22nd of July 2009.

Trophies
The following game may be hunted at indicated prices:
Kudu US$ 600
Eland US$ 1000
Gemsbok US$ 300
Springbok US$ 100
Bait springbok US$ 50
Bait gemsbok US$ 200
Mtn zebra US$ 500

Any other animal not listed, can be negotiated directly with the clients professional hunter.

This is a special package deal, the total cost of package will be US$ 6000, of which a US$ 4000 deposit has been paid. It will include the following:
* all dayfees for time stated
* trophy fee for 1 leopard
* dog handler fee
If leopard is not killed, the package is reduced to $3000, plus plainsgame trophy fees.

Day fees
The dayfees payable for extra days over and above the package, will be US$ 400 per hunting day per hunter.
A fee of US$ 200 per non hunting day/ traveling day per hunter will be charged.

The following will be included in the hunting dayfees:
Services of a Professional hunter.
Accommodation, meals and drinks as indicated below.
Services of camp staff, trackers and skinners where necessary.
Transport while hunting.
Field preparation of trophies.
Administration, tagging, storing of raw trophies until local taxidermist takes over.
Delivery of trophies to local taxidermist for dip and pack.
Cost of hunting licenses or hunting permits.

Now…If I do not receive a refund for what I paid Karl by Monday…I plan to go to The Hunting Report, NAPHA, The Namibian Ministry of Environment and Tourism, SCI, booking agents, and every hunting operation I can contact in Namibia.

It is a sad situation that whether it be from greed (Karl taking on too many clients so he can take all the money he can) or whatever his reasoning, that he treats clients as such. When we were with Karl, he was a fun guy to be with, had a great personality, and would be a pleasure to hunt with if he did things right. He obviously has a lot of big game experience, so he is a waste of PH talent. We would have made multiple TV shows to promote Karl, and I had 2 magazine articles already lined up to help promote him as well.

You know, we all look forward to that African trip once a year (I know some more and some less frequent). We love safari, and it keeps us going all year long- the anticipation, preparation- etc. We wrap so much of ourselves into that one trip a year, and when you get screwed like this- it is more than money. It just takes a lot out of you.

This was the hunt you hear about and always hope that doesn’t happen to you. I hope by writing this, I save someone from going through the same thing I did.


I have contacted NAPHA and The Hunt Report and filed a complaint.

Tim, as stated earlier, I am sorry if your experience was not what you have hoped for. My opinion in the matter will stay between us, on why you are behaiving in this way. If all what you have stated is true about PH X, I do owe you at least something. A lot of what you have stated could have been resolved by better communication. There I am also partly to blame, but I had a very high pressure hunt with the Russians, (who flew back earlier today), that may have closed my eyes for any other problems. What I did do wrong, was to not spend the full time with you, but we did agree verbally on that before the start of the hunt. And yes, I did quote some prices higher, but on very specific areas for very specific animals. I wish that I could have stayed the whole time, but we agreed on me leaving because f problems with the other clients. This has been a very hard 2 weeks for me, and it has tought me a few very important lessons, the biggest one being that if you cannot do it yourself, do not get anyone else to do it. I also told you that I would make it right with you, but you refused to listen to me at all, and just went on a tangent, trying to damage my reputation. I have tried not to get personal in above, but have to say this: either you are exaggerating/ lying, or PH x has some explaining to do.

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Originally posted by dogcat:
I agree with 404, especially his last 2 points.

Karl, you sure seem to have "screwed the pooch" on this one.

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Originally posted by SG Olds:
80 to 90% of leopards shot with Stumpfe and bragged about here and elsewhere are illegal and were poached. Somebody is embarrassed.

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Now Tim, I would really like your honest answers on my questions below. (Please try and stick to yes or no, but if you must, give a short expalantion)
1) Did I inform you of a potential situation before the trip? Yes - but in the end you told me you had it taken care of, and you would be my PH until I got a cat. That simple or I would not have gone.
2) Did we agree that I could leave the hunting party earlier while you where still in the US?
The exact agreement was you could leave after I got a cat, whether 2, 4, 8, or 10 days. Same thing was said when I was on the ground in Namibia.
3) Did you at any time after I told you that I need to leave, expressed your misgivings to me on the spot? Both Kenneth and I said over and over once you told us you were leaving us for the other clients- YOU ARE PUTTING US IN A BAD SPOT. THIS IS REALLY SCREWING US UP. WE ALSO EXPLAINED THAT YOU WOULDN'T GET THE KIND OF TV COVERAGE YOU WANTED IF YOU LEFT US. You said - I KNOW, BUT I HAVE TO GO.
4) Did I offer you any compensation if your trip was not as planned, either before, during or after your trip? Before - you said you would reschedule. That was impossible with 2 airfares bought, and our schedule for the rest of the year. You said on day 3 of the hunt- "IF THIS DOESN"T WORK OUT AND YOU DON"T GET A CAT, I WILL WORK YOU A DEAL ON ANOTHER DANGEROUS GAME HUNT NEXT YEAR." -Almost like you knew the outcome in advance, and why would I want that for next year as things were going bad? After the trip - no. The last night, PH X told me you said you would give a full refund, but just couldn't do it at the airport before I left.


Then, taking all above in consideration, as well as what you knew about my personal situation with staff before the safari (amplified by MET's stopping of permits) what on this Earth could I have done to make your trip better, or to compensate once it went pear shaped.YOU SIMPLY COULD HAVE BEEN MY PH FOR THE WHOLE TRIP, or UNTIL I KILLED A CAT, LIKE YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULD- AND LIKE THE CONTRACT STATED.

Why did you try and blackmail me? ME TELLING YOU THAT YOU COULD REFUND THE MONEY TO TRY TO MAKE IT RIGHT OR I WAS FILING COMPLAINTS IS NOT BLACKMAIL. I WAS GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO MAKE THINGS AS RIGHT AS POSSIBLE_ WHICH WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ENOUGH_ CAN'T GET BACK 14 DAYS OF OUR LIVES AND ALL THE OTEHR MONEY SPENT. THAT IS NOT BLACKMAIL.I ALSO HAD TO DO SOMETHING QUICKLY AS I WAS TOLD THAT IF YOU WAITED A WEEK OR MORE TO FILE A COMPLAINT WITH NAPHA, THEY WOULDN"T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. IF YOU HAD OF REFUNDED MY MONEY, I WOULD HAVE WRITTEN AND HONEST REPORT HERE ABOUT HOW BAD THE TRIP WAS, BUT I WOULD HAVE ENDED IT WITH THE FACT THAT YOU TRIED TO MAKE IT RIGHT AND GAVE ME A REFUND.

And then, to all the phone calls/ emails/ PMs of support, thanks a lot to all of you. Obviuosly some see both sides of the coin.

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I'd hunt with you Karl.

I've never met you, I have read a few things about you and received some short but very professional correspondence from you, but that's all.

After booking a hunt with a certain PH and then reading a very distasteful previous exchange between that PH and an ex-Client, I went ahead anyway and found most of the allegations made on-line groundless.

Maybe I just like to make up my own mind about someone which is what everyone should do. No one is perfect, no business can be run perfectly and there is always a client or professional who is not happy if you look hard enough.

I love this forum, it's a total hoot.

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He just didn't supply me with what was promised.

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Originally posted by SG Olds:
80 to 90% of leopards shot with Stumpfe and bragged about here and elsewhere are illegal and were poached. Somebody is embarrassed.


Any truth to this claim?

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He just didn't supply me with what was promised.


And for that I am sorry. You are sorry - WOW. If you hadn't of left us - almost no other problems would have arisen. It was your choice, and it caused the snowball effect of almost everything else - and I was the one who got screwed at the end of the day.But I still think you where trying to blackmail me. (My personal opinion, of which I entitled I presume.) Your words where that if I was not at the airport with your money, you WILL contact NAPHA, SCI, post it on AR, try to ruin me, etc. (I saved you the trouble, and ccéd NAPHA on my email to you.)Did not say RUIN you- again, said you could refund my money and make it right, or I would make reports to the above places...and BTW...I had already been to the NAPHA office in person that day to ask about complaint procedures. I didn't file anything then, but had gotten info on how to. I told you that on the phone, so it wasn't like you went to NAPHA out of your honest convictions.
When I tried to talk to you then, you slammed the phone down in my ear, and refused to talk to me again after that.I was tired of excuses for everything.
BTW, your cameraman was the only one saying anything when I left, your only consern where if you where going to be safe with PH X.THis is not true. Kenneth kept on you about how you were messing things up - and he did it more when you two went to do your interviews and I wasn't there, but we both told you together what a mess you leaving was making, and yes, I did express concern over being left with PH X on a leopard hunt, since I didn't know him then, he is not a Big 5 PH, and I had booked the hunt with you and felt comfortable with you.


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Originally posted by SG Olds:
80 to 90% of leopards shot with Stumpfe and bragged about here and elsewhere are illegal and were poached. Somebody is embarrassed.


Any truth to this claim?



Saeed, no there is no truth in that at all.

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I guess no way to prove this at all, but you described numerous night/light hunts to me and the cameraman. You also said that 80-90% of cats you and clients have taken were at night. You said as long as there is no video camera, that's how you do it. Again, no way to prove this - it is just my word. It is funny that you told us about a client that shot a spotted genet off a leopard bait when you put the light on it, thinking it was a leopard, or the story about when you asked someone to hold the light while you used the binos on a cat in the tree, and they didn't want to hold the light, etc.. There was a lot of detail in your numerous stories if none are true.

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Originally posted by Tim Herald:
Guys,

Obviously I agree with most of you an appreciate the sentiments. I will say this...I think Karl has the ability, skill and the resources to provide a first class leopard hunt, if he makes one client a priority and doesn't over-extend himself. I sincerely hope he does this for eyedoc, and everyone else that hunts with him from now on. Besides making some extra money from some higher paying clients, we have just never understood why we got the short end of the stick. Oh well...live and learn...I have to look forward now.

Norton - I appreciate the remarks - no way I would even buy airfare to go hunt on a free safari with Karl again.

Dogcat - you are right, most of the time you get what you pay for, but at $25,000 per 30 minutes of airtime on ESPN, it was a pretty good trade out for a discount. I still got less than I paid for, so point taken...

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I never said there weren't two sides. I know you were in a pinch, but you put yourself there, and I was the one who paid for it in the end.

Good Hunting,

Tim Herald

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Originally posted by Sally's Dad:

Overall, if you read past reports about Karl’s hunts, you will see a lot of happy clients, none of whom have mentioned questionable ethics. If he’s made a mistake with Tim, let them work it out, but I think it’s wrong to dump Karl’s whole reputation over a single bad experience. I’ll second .458Aubs comments about making mistakes, it can happen, but you don't just toss someone for a single incident.

Chris

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Originally posted by larrys01:
I have to wonder what the outcome would have been if Robert Ruark would have run into this with Harry Selby?

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Originally posted by Frank Martinez:

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Originally posted by larrys01:
I have to wonder what the outcome would have been if Robert Ruark would have run into this with Harry Selby?

Ridiculous statement.
Frank