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Rich, I'm just not sure I get your "buy ammo in africa," idea. Certainly I don't have much experience, but my observation of stores to patronize in the Save Conservancy were slim to be generous. As I understand it, the gun shops in the Selous, Okavango Delta and other hunting areas don't normally carry many common species of cartridges for retail. I am under the impression that if you arrive in hunting camp without ammunition for the rifle you arrived with, you are S.O.L. unless your hunting company or fellow hunter has suitable ammunition to loan or give. Certainly, the common cartridges like .375 H&H are more likely to be rattling around under the seat of the Toyota, but I think it unlikely to find .600 Overkill's, 450/ 400's, or 505 Gibbs on hand. (True, Barry Duckworth does use a 505 so if I'd have lost mu Gibbs ammo I might have been able to,....) Undoubtedly every safari camp has a wide variety of 45/70 on several shelves. It seems prudent to me to take a rifle easy to feed. I believe that can mean a number of different things. However, if a hunter does prefer to hunt with their 9.3x 64/ 375 Ruger/ 50-110/ or 7mmSTW, I'd think it wise to be mentally prepared to hunt with a rifle on loan from your PH in the rare circumstance that either your rifle or ammunition or both do not arrive in camp with you. | |||
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If your 375 Holland's ammunition gets separated from your rifle, since they WILL travel in different containers, the possibility exists. There were a couple shops in Harare where I could have purchased ammunition for one, but no one there had ever heard of the ruger round. 12-08. I Emailed a couple of PHs I know, and there does not seem to be a single store on the continent who has ruger 375's in stock. Everyone who is a ruger fan spends hours on here trying to justify their purchase. Hornady discontinued their high velocity Holland load when they found out it was faster than the ruger. Holland owners just figure it has worked since 1912, and hasn't had any issues. Ruger guys are almost shrill in advocating how much "better" theirs is. Can I share something with you guys? Seriously? Nobody with a Holland really cares... Because: there isn't anything wrong with the old Holland 375. Rule One: If it ain't broke, you can't fix it. The Holland ain't broke, and the new 35ogr bullets make it even better. Rich | |||
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Damn! Hornady is in bed with Ruger (in a bad way)? Is this for sure, or speculation? I dont like the sound of this. I know Hornady is doing a good service on pricing the DG ammo within reason. I dont like playing this game. Are you sure? They did a nice job goosing up the 30-06 and others. I agree, it not needed, but for those want it, was a nice boost for some of the old standards. | |||
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I would guess that what ever blows your skirt up would be the make of rifle you wood want. | |||
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Here's something to think about that I hope doesn't make anyone mad. I agree that the Ruger round can be handloaded faster than the H&H round and up to 2800 fps or so with 300 grain bullets. I agree that the H&H round can be loaded up to around 2700 fps with 300 grain bullets. I've heard quite a few times that a lot of PH's want people to load the H&H round down to about 2400 fps for hunting. (Truthfully, I've heard the same thing about the .338 Winchester from African hunting charters.) I think it has to do more with better penetration in close range hunting situations. So why would anyone want a .375 caliber loaded up so high? I can easily see a 270 grain loaded up around 2800 fps or so for plains game but a 300 or 350 grain should probably be going about 2300 - 2400 fps for where you hunt the largest game animals. Again, I do not have the experience that a lot of you guys possess so you'll probably understand what I do not. I guess I can understand a 300 grain bullet at 2800 fps for plains and dangerous game so you only need one load to hunt everything with. My point though is that the 300 grain bullet at that high speed is against what a lot of PH's reccomend for dangerous game. Let me know when you get the chance. Thanks, jfm | |||
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Re; Hornady HV .375H*H ammo, Id like to know how many folk here have actually fired that stuff in their beloved rebuilt old mausers, and how well it handled it all... A round like 375ruger that can run same velocities at lower pressure than 375hh, sounds like a good& smart thing for old metal mausers. | |||
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Interesting thread. Seems there are those that are happy with their Rugers and have no beef with the H&H. Room for both. Myself included in that bunch. Then those that seem angry that the Ruger exists. As if the Ruger is a threat to their happiness somehow. I don't remember that much resentment going on with the advent of the .300 WM, .25-06, any of the Weatherby's, or all the other so called improved rounds. Hmmm, seems to me the only reason for anyone being so against a cartridge, is if they feel like their nostalgic round may in fact have competition that may dethrown their favorite round. I have not seen dis-favor for the .30-06 because of the .300s, and I doubt the Ruger will make the H&H go away. But I do see a legitimate use for each. I like the short action and barrel of the Ruger for what I do with it, and I like the longer, tapered case, and timeless style of the H&H and rifles so chambered. | |||
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Too bad the 375 Weatherby never really caught on, probably because it was only available in Weatherby or custom rifles. A little more oomph than the 375 H&H and can stil fire 375 H&H ammo in a pinch. Also the ability to fireform 375 Weatherby brass from 375 H&H brass was a plus. If I hadn't rebarreled my CZ 375 H&H to 500 Jeff, I would've had it rechambered to 375 Weatherby, probably because I just can't leave well enough alone ...  Chuck Regards, Chuck "There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit" Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness" | |||
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fourbore, just go to their website and try to find the older hivel load. IIRC, it was called the Heavy Magnum. HP White laboratories, as well as Remington and Winchester obviously test the heck out of every wildcat out there and see if they(Rem & Win) have a new niche to work on. Under optimal conditions, their studies pretty much prove that a maximum velocity increase of 25% of a case capacity increase is it. The other two ways to increase velocity are some magic powder that fits that capacity and develops more energy per grain, like the unavailable stuff Hornday uses in the two ruger cartridges; or increase the working pressure. Anything else is marketing bulls--t. So, measure the two cartridges capacity, and work from there. There are the two choices: 1. higher pressure 2. powder that matches case capacity and bullet diameter. Of course, there is an easy way to make the comparison a moot one: rechamber to 375 H&H Improved. The guys here with the old 375 Wbee will tell you how easy it is to run past the ruger. On paper the ultimate 375 is simple. Load the new 350gr bullets in the 375 RUM. That's what that big case begs for. Rich still don't understand the fuss | |||
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For someone that supposedly doesn't care, you sure do spend a lot of time posting about the .375 Ruger  375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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 Poor ol' Rich! He cain't heppit! The .375 Ruger gives him gas! DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"  | |||
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Rich, just to clear it up, which 375 did you shoot your buff with? Oh, wait, it was a .458 ... a 450 dakota, right? Can you tell me why taking a 450 dakota (which there AINT no shells available in in africa) is better, worse, or different than taking a 375 ruger? and, to make it worse, I'll bet dollars to dognuts that there's been more 375 rugers sold THIS YEAR than all the dakota made 450 dakotas ... frankly, the 375 ruger fits in standard length actions, jess like that ole timer, de 458 winnie ... i don't see you shooting no 458 winnie opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Dang! You guys are good at sniffing out ISS's brain farts ... or is that merely disingenuous  and hypocrisy on his part?His part, his fart, whatever. DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!" | |||
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The only point I can see in the .375 Ruger is help Ruger sell more rifles. | |||
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Well, that's why any company releases new rounds. That and ammo. | |||
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Did you think that Ruger is in business to *not* sell rifles? 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Rich, Perhaps you might want to periodically check out Hornady’s website; it lists both a standard loading and a “Superformance” loading in 270gr and 300gr for the .375 H&H…obviously didn’t go away, it just underwent a name change; here's the weblink: http://www.hornady.com/store/Superformance-NewAmmo But wouldn't you know it...they've released a Superformance loading in the .375 Ruger also. And yes I remember, you've nothing against the .375 Ruger...you just detest the Ruger's PR advertisements. Edited to correct the name and add the weblink. Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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capoward, at sixty I'm too old to shovel that much BS out of the way to get to the truth. Just tell me the truth... Rich besides, there's an FN Mauser in 375 AI sitting out in the gunroom. | |||
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Rich, I’ll be 61 in a couple of months so I totally understand the desire to cut through the BS. Short version…15+ years later advancements in proprietary gunpowder…product line narrowed but improved. Just for you from their website: That’s it in a nutshell. Have a good one. Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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Someone please empty out some of their superformance powder and see what it can do in the BIG bores. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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.If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Something strange going on with the quote toggle ??????? .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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I don't think a 300gr .375 bullet needs to go faster than H&H velocities; if anything, a little slower, so velocity and case capacity aren't going to make me buy another rifle and the brass and dies to go with it. I wish Ruger all the luck in the world, and I have 2 RSM magnums, but have no hankering for a 375 or 416 Ruger. Maybe someday I will get an Alaskan model .375 Ruger to have a short barreled, stainless big bore, but I will hand load to about 2300fps. Go Navy | |||
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I think a lot of people, as usual, are missing the point of new cartridges. Just like the wsm's, I really don't think any of these new carts are being made so you will go trade in the old version for the new. Its to give people in the market for a new gun, more options. Nothing wrong with that, and I don't see why people get into such a fuss about it. How many of you have upgraded your laptop/pc for the bigger, faster, newer model when in reality....you didn't need it at all, and made up a perceived need. No one rants about that, or about all the new car models that come out every year. We did just fine for decades with 35mm cameras, millions of articles, magazines, adds, newspapers and such did just fine, digital wasn't NEEDED. Bet most of you guys upgraded that. Or let's face it, not many people NEED more then like 3 megapixels in digis...but they keep coming out with more powerful cameras 3 times a year......and we buy those. If gun development stopped after WWII, do you really think we would even have that many guns left? No matter what it is, industry HAS to grow, HAS to change, and HAS to advance or it dies. Remember that when you poo-poo something new. Yes, it WAS needed. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Digital cameras ARE light years ahead of the old 35mm. It's called, never spending hundreds of dollars again for specialty film or sending it off, or spending even more for the prints and not knowing until they get back to see them. Rich | |||
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 Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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I rant about this stuff all the time- Just not here. Planed obsolescent, we used to call it. I like to see a Jeep or Pickup on a stainless steel frame and stainless body built so I could maintain it for my lifetime. Drop in new engine and tranny every 2-300k, new springs -- whatever as needed. I hate to buy this new crap and it depletes my hobby fund. What really pissed me off is a 60 year old military power wagon with stronger frame, bumpers, winch, real functional body and easier to service than the new trucks. Yea, ok, the engines and electronics are way better today. The old power wagons all rotted out around here - took a longer than the newer trucks but eventually all rotted. I need a 375 Ruger like I need a Prius or Microsoft 7 operating system. Exactly right. | |||
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outdated Cordite & trying to shoehorn a magnum length case into an std98, talk about startn on the backfoot....  Wilhelm used intelligence....9,3x64Brenneke " The 9.3x64mm Brenneke was designed to have the largest possible case capacity without any shape or dimensional drawbacks that would hamper its chambering and perfect functioning in Mauser M 98 bolt actions used in the Gewehr 98 rifles that were then standard issue in the German military." | |||
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I like my .375 Ruger so much I took it blacktail hunting this year...  375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Gatehouse, Where I live, that would almost pass for a moose. | |||
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Blacktails are pretty small. That's a "nice buck" for this area, but it certainly isn't the biggest of them out there, or the biggest I've shot. I'd say 90% of the blacktail hunters in this area would have shot that buck, though ha ha 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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well as i'm getting my 14 year old a 375 as he wants to practice for the africa trip in a couple years. sooo he'll either get one of my 2 375h&h's or pick one new. i'm having a hard time figuring a reason it shouldn't be a 375 ruger alaskan, stainless, classic performance equal to the H&H and the cost can't be beat. in fact, i see myself and my 3 boys outfitted with 375 rugers in the next year or so. can't find a good reason to get anything else. | |||
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When Remington starts loading 300 gr. Swift A Frames and Federal starts loading TBBC's in .375 Ruger, then I'll start paying attention. Same goes for Woodleigh softs in 350. | |||
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you should learn to reload. As for Woodleigh 350's both my daughter and I tried them on large bears and they work but not as well as tougher 300 gr bullets. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Okay Phil, but why haven't you changed your tag name to 375 Ruger? Rich | |||
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Because then I couldn't get on the big bore forum. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Could you elaborate a bit on this please, Phil? 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Since I don't have a .375 and want one, why would I buy an H & H. | |||
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Very good question. So H&H lovers what's the sell? Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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