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And if those of you who do not have a Large Budget, and want us to do the complete rifle for you, check out our website and look at the New Production Rifles.

This is interesting news.

A suggestion for MTJ, consider adding the .500A2 to your caliber line up. If you are going to offer the .460 Weatherby it wouldn't take much more to offer it.

I can't get the website to load, anyone else having this problem...

Yes. Unable to load the website.

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Originally posted by A7drvr:
Yes. Unable to load the website.

Is anyone still Drivin' A7's ...??

I am also looking for information on PH actions and completed rifles. No luck.

Is this link below the web site?

http://www.montanarifleco.com/

I dont see anything to do with sporting rifles or PH actions, no clue.
Just a pretty girl and a bunch of useless links.

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A suggestion for MTJ, consider adding the .500A2 to your caliber line up. If you are going to offer the .460 Weatherby it wouldn't take much more to offer it.

I'd think offerings like 585HE or Trex would be good to consider. No compromise rounds and no need to rebate, plenty of room for the big boys.

This was the original link with an embedded link to MRC

Which now goes to a useless link that links to additonal useless links.

So I've had one hell of a week. The Doc tells me that I need to go on disability because of my back. Yesterday, my girlfriend of two years decides all of a sudden that she is over me (ironically she loved me last week when it was our two year anniversary).

Would someone be so kind to send me one of these stainless beauties in the .416 PGW caliber. It sure would up the spirits. Just trying to be light-hearted in a truly hard time. I'll make it through though. Somehow. Yes I can be a troll at times, however that rifle AHR posted sure was beautiful. I'd sleep with it.

Macijef; Greece, Portugal and Thailand are still flying A-7's.

Sorry about the website being down, our server downloaded some new software and our Domain did not get re-booted so we had a nice picture of a cute blonde girl for about 5 days.....? Sorry guys, no, we do not sell those. The website is now back up and running.
Jeff

I've been asking for my refund for the better part of two years, and still nothing, yet I'm told, "I see the deposit....we will refund the money...we just need time as funds are scarce...."

577NitroExpress:

PM sent.

I sent Jeff and Lindsey an email a day or so ago inquiring how things were going with the SS actions.

Hopefully will hear something positive soon.

How about the rest of the CM actions?

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Originally posted by A7drvr:
Macijef; Greece, Portugal and Thailand are still flying A-7's.

Always thought they were an interesting design. Watched them fly out of various USAF locales in my youth.

MTJ,

I noticed you responded about another MRC rifle in this forum so you must be checking in every now and then.

Any updates on teh SS PH action, specifically my .648 bolt face SS PH action?

I did send you (and Lindsey) an email a week ago.

Thank you

Yes,I try to check in from time to time. We are getting closer to the SS actions, but it's going slow right now getting them out. We are getting about 4 CM actions a week done in between everything else. That's not to say that we are putting them on the backbunner, it's just that we have to get other stuff out at the same time to pay the bills.

how about a direct response to 577's concern, then?

do you know sandmann over at empire...?

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Originally posted by Macifej:

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Originally posted by A7drvr:
Macijef; Greece, Portugal and Thailand are still flying A-7's.

Always thought they were an interesting design. Watched them fly out of various USAF locales in my youth.

I remember watching them fly off (and land on)the deck of the USS INDEPENDENCE CV62 out in the Atlantic and over in the Mediteranean Sea.

JSL3170,
577's concern was dealt direct, I sent him a PM to update him on that. Didn't feel his personal stuff needed to be put on here for all of you.
Jeff

well it was and it seems to me a lot of people out there building guns either need more staff or need to learn some better skills at managing their businesses and how they deal with their clientele because if some of these posts reflected on me and my business and my clients or prospective clients read them I'd be looking for a new job.

My gunsmith has been waiting seven years for an action he ordered from montana for him self, I don't think I would still be waiting if was him.

Custom works take time and are not held to a time line for me. If I am in a hurry I buy a Winchester.

Well, custom takes time, yes. Has someone been waiting 7 years. NO! We just started this project three years ago? Did he put his name in 7 years ago that he wanted a PH action when they were made, sure that could be. But theres a huge difference. It's like saying I ordered a Chevy pickup with 500 HP that runs on water. Now I can keep calling them, but theres no plans to start it, so theres no orders. There were no plans to start the PH until 3 three years ago.
Now, with that said I AGREE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING (Three Years)! It is coming, the actions are shipping, people are still ordering more of them, we are putting them together daily. We'll have them out soon to everyone.
As far as adding more staff.. well, I guess if we had tons of money to throw away we could add as many people as that amount of money could support. But..if all the money that was taken in on the Pre-Orders was used to build molds, tooling and buy the intial run parts, which was part of the whole deal when we started -everyone knew that, then how do you hire a bunch more people to put actions together that are not creating any more income? I'm not trying to aruge with you guys, I'm just stating that if we did that we would be out of business really fast and the rest would get nothing. Other parts have to go out at the same time, actions, barreled actions and rifles HAVE to continue to go out while we are filling the PRE-Orders or we could not stay in business. The people who got in on the Pre-Orders got a smoking deal (50% off) to do that.
We are shipping them as fast as we can.
Jeff

Still 3 years! I tell you what you send me a rifle to use and I will pay you when ever I can hopfully in about 3 years! Maybe longer don't worry I'm good for it, trust me!

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Originally posted by MTJ:
Well, custom takes time, yes. Has someone been waiting 7 years. NO! We just started this project three years ago? Did he put his name in 7 years ago that he wanted a PH action when they were made, sure that could be. But theres a huge difference. It's like saying I ordered a Chevy pickup with 500 HP that runs on water. Now I can keep calling them, but theres no plans to start it, so theres no orders. There were no plans to start the PH until 3 three years ago.
Now, with that said I AGREE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING (Three Years)! It is coming, the actions are shipping, people are still ordering more of them, we are putting them together daily. We'll have them out soon to everyone.
As far as adding more staff.. well, I guess if we had tons of money to throw away we could add as many people as that amount of money could support. But..if all the money that was taken in on the Pre-Orders was used to build molds, tooling and buy the intial run parts, which was part of the whole deal when we started -everyone knew that, then how do you hire a bunch more people to put actions together that are not creating any more income? I'm not trying to aruge with you guys, I'm just stating that if we did that we would be out of business really fast and the rest would get nothing. Other parts have to go out at the same time, actions, barreled actions and rifles HAVE to continue to go out while we are filling the PRE-Orders or we could not stay in business. The people who got in on the Pre-Orders got a smoking deal (50% off) to do that.
We are shipping them as fast as we can.
Jeff

may, 2003 -- already taking orders.. we are just shy of 8 years

http://forums.accuratereloadin...?r=57610197#57610197

you can appologize now. Don't coach it with "oh, we bought the company x years ago" .. don't call men of good character liars because you forgot inconvenient facts ..

May, 2003 .. hell, i was on the order list over 7 years ago ... i gave up after 5

call me a liar next, if you like. I'm a big boy, give it a shot

this is the part where you appologise.. or prove being an ass .. its YOUR call

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Originally posted by Dan@Montana Rifle Co: May 30, 2003
Here are the latest numbers for the Professional Hunter actions.
...
D03-0470 J.S. DCRX
...

is ME ...

This is looking like a finger pointing-name calling pissing match. It needs to go else where and get back to a info site on big bores. I waited to get my 'PH' and was very pleased when it arrived. I am now "waiting" again for another gunsmith to do his work. "Waiting" has always been the big part of the game for me even when I was the one doing the work on a project. Keep up the good work Jeff of produceing a fine product. I hope to buy another one of your actions in the near future.

SRG

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by MTJ:
Well, custom takes time, yes. Has someone been waiting 7 years. NO! We just started this project three years ago? Did he put his name in 7 years ago that he wanted a PH action when they were made, sure that could be. But theres a huge difference. It's like saying I ordered a Chevy pickup with 500 HP that runs on water. Now I can keep calling them, but theres no plans to start it, so theres no orders. There were no plans to start the PH until 3 three years ago.
Now, with that said I AGREE THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING (Three Years)! It is coming, the actions are shipping, people are still ordering more of them, we are putting them together daily. We'll have them out soon to everyone.
As far as adding more staff.. well, I guess if we had tons of money to throw away we could add as many people as that amount of money could support. But..if all the money that was taken in on the Pre-Orders was used to build molds, tooling and buy the intial run parts, which was part of the whole deal when we started -everyone knew that, then how do you hire a bunch more people to put actions together that are not creating any more income? I'm not trying to aruge with you guys, I'm just stating that if we did that we would be out of business really fast and the rest would get nothing. Other parts have to go out at the same time, actions, barreled actions and rifles HAVE to continue to go out while we are filling the PRE-Orders or we could not stay in business. The people who got in on the Pre-Orders got a smoking deal (50% off) to do that.
We are shipping them as fast as we can.
Jeff

may, 2003 -- already taking orders.. we are just shy of 8 years

http://forums.accuratereloadin...?r=57610197#57610197

you can appologize now. Don't coach it with "oh, we bought the company x years ago" .. don't call men of good character liars because you forgot inconvenient facts ..

May, 2003 .. hell, i was on the order list over 7 years ago ... i gave up after 5

call me a liar next, if you like. I'm a big boy, give it a shot

this is the part where you appologise.. or prove being an ass .. its YOUR call

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Originally posted by Dan@Montana Rifle Co: May 30, 2003
Here are the latest numbers for the Professional Hunter actions.
...
D03-0470 J.S. DCRX
...

is ME ...

In all fairness, the way I remenber it was . We had to get a list of several hunderd orders before production would begin,and deposits would be taken. Even though it was talked about on other sites AR was the diving force. Before the list was compiled the company changed hands.

It took several years for us to get the # need to begin production. It was understood from the start that the
intial run would be at a major discount, and was need to cover set up cost. The way people were dropping in and out, I am amazed it come off at all. Yes there were setbacks along the way but MRC brought a magnum action to the market at our request knowing full well it would most like make little or no profit on the intial run. They did so knowing there would be limited demand in comparsion to the the 1999 long or short actions. In the potential market,there are very few shooters who are willing to even shoot these beastly magnums , and even fewer willing to spend the money to build one. With out the PH action our choices for actions suitable for the big stuff is limited and very expensive and requireing custom work by only a very few talented gunsmith (Most require big deposits and have a waiting list also).

We need to stop beating Jeff up over this and just go with the flow. Jeff's not a bad guy.


JD

JD,
its been over 8 years on this project - Jeff stated that its been only 3 years. I understand the slice and of facts, and I don't care for it

since restart of the project? yep, about 3 years .. since jeff bought the company? about 3 years..

BUT, I KNOW MRC has been working on this all the time. I know how hard product development is.

Jeffeosso,
I DON'T WANT TO START AN ARGUMENT, and I am not calling anyone a Liar. But there is also a lot if missinformation from the other side of this. The original Deal was that they wanted to get 550 orders to start the project, after 4 years the project got tossed because they never got close enough. The company even put on it's website that the project was shelved and it may be looked at in the future. When I took the company over I wanted to start the PH action project. The PH was something that I listened to all of you here and looked at what was actually out there. That's when I started it. There was no project started prior to that at all. All that was done was the taking of Indications of Interest. You can read into it however you want, but the fact is I called everyone on the list to tell them that we were going to start the project and and to see if they were interested. Trust me, I understand your frustration and it's ok if you want to lash out and call me names. But I do want you to understand that we are filling the orders and we are going to get them to everyone who bought them. Plus we have given the people who did wait so long an added bonus of getting more at the same price if they choose. And we have another 500 being made at the same time so we will have inventory of them.
Anyway, I do appreciate the comments. And I do like to hear from you guys, especially ones who have an issue. I would actually prefer that you call me though because even though I think the forums are a great way to collect and pass information, it's the same as an email or letter and your point sometimes comes across in a way that you did not mean it to come across. The next thing you know, you're in an arguement.
Jeff

Jeff,
I do appreciate what you guys are doing.. really. I think the action can really set this market alight .. no doubt

Here, we have a start date of the project in 2003 -- that might not be what you are measuring, but that's when guys started placing orders.

*I* feel i had waited on 5 years of miscommunication before i gave up .. quite a few folks did as well.

I understand your perspective that the project is "3" years old.. and can even understand how you get there.

respectfully, i submit that you extend the same consideration to guys that feel they've been involved with this for longer than 3 years.

OK sounds good, I'll tell you what, I want to earn the customers back who canceled and did not want to wait. So EACH of you needs to call me up, nobody else but me, and we will discuss it and figure out what's fair. I have some leverage this, but not 100%, my company is no more, the new Company Owners will have to approve of that, but I am sure I can have some wiggle room to earn those guys back. Is that fair enough?
Jeff

jeff,
I just tried to call .. will try this afternoon...
Not looking for any type of deal, just to call ya

I'm still kicking myself in th ebutt for not getting a .505 Gibbs action, but my money doesn't grow on trees for sure. Shucks. LOL.

Sorry, Jeff been in and out of meetings with management. Try me later this afternoon.

Woodracer, We are going to be offering the 505 Gibbs in our new line of Production Rifles ...and it won't cost you 5K to do it.

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Originally posted by MTJ:
Woodracer, We are going to be offering the 505 Gibbs in our new line of Production Rifles ...and it won't cost you 5K to do it.

That was back before a work injury gave me 40 degree scolosis. I can hardly shoot my .416 Rigby very much without my back killing me. I guess if I had ordered an action back then, I would have ordered with the .505 head diameter, and wound up building a .416 PGW (a .416-.505 Gibbs) with a heck of a brake. That's why my CZ550 Rigby is becoming a .338 Lapua at this minute. That .505 was ALWAYS a dream of mine!!!

Here is picture of PH, with port lengthened
with my 585HSM. I also have change barrel
for my 700HE long case, which works in
the action also. Imagine over 20,000 ft lbs
in a PH with my 700HE long case. And the
gun behind in picture is the 700H 3.25"
in PH. Also in pic is 585HSM cases. Ed

Ed, you NEVER cease to amaze me!!! I love reading and looking at all your pictures of your "antics"!!! You rock, my friend! Honestly!!!

Thanks.Yes we have crazy goings on here.
These MRC PHs sure are a lot of fun to
experiment with.

And now I can use the really big bolt gun,
my Vulcan action that I had my 700HE long
case in to do my 877HE, good for
35,000 ft lbs or so. When I get to it.Ed

Woodsracer,

check your PM's.

Rich