So after all the addo about getting your actions, has ANYONE yet PUBLICLY said thankyou AND an appologie to Jeff of MRC for all the grief you lot gave him??

I think the man deserves one, dont you.


Now if it would only fit a .729 I'd get one in SS!

Well, I haven't had a chance to get on here for a while, I do apologize for that guys. I just want to give you an update on the actions and the company. We are in the middle of the Chrome moly Rigby's so all of you who have them on order should either already have it or will have it soon. We will then hit the CM Standard Magnums. The standard magnums will have a modified magazine box that will be using the same followers as our long actions and will hold...well too many rounds...he he he. Heck the Rigby's are holding 5 plus one. The Stainless are then going through the same process and we will get them coming ASAP. I was truly hoping to have them all out by the first of the year but it's not going to happen, there is just too much hand fitting going on to get them all out that fast. You guys have waited long enough, there is no sense in sending them out rough.

It sounds like the respone has been pretty well received with them, I saw the rifle Wayne built on it and I have to say what a MASTERPIECE that was! I would like to hear from the guys who have them as to what they are building and if I could get some pictures I would certainly love it.

As to the Company, well the company is going to be in very good shape with some advancements in production and build up of inventory. As a matter of fact within the next three months we will have EVERY action configuration in inventory to include the PH's in the 100's. After the PH back orders are out to all of those who ordered them, we will will have an extra 350 PH actions in mixes of CM and SS in all bolt face configurations. If you want to get one I would suggest getting on order before too long or it will have to wait till the next batch.
I just want to thank all of you who kept in there with me, it really means a lot. Those who were a little less patient..I understand, no ill will here. I thank you as well for helping me make the PH project a reality. However, while I will still remain as a salesman for the company I will no longer be it's President or Owner. I will still help any of you who need anything and will be here to answer any and all questions. Thank you again, and GOD Bless.
Jeff

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I hear there is an even prettier one in 600 OK being posted tomorrow...

...or the next day.

Taking photos tonight.

That's what I call 'dropping the bomb'.


You think with increased production support, that the

PH will run most other big action wannabes off.

I am very proud to have been one of those who

egged Jeff on to get the PH a going. Ed

Been monitoring this thread for a while with no real play in the game.
I have to give Jeff some credit for not throwing in the towel. Most small initiatives such as this end up costing far more than initially estimated. There is some truth that most small business ventures are under financed. Perhaps Jeff has had to sell some of his equity to stay afloat through all the toil.
Jeff; Good luck, you probably learned a good business lesson in this endeavor and will be better prepared for your next project. Don't give up, step up to the plate and do it again.
You obviously offered a good deal but perhaps left too much money on the table relative to your market competition.

EZ

The world is a better place for having people like Jeff in it.

Rich

A little info please.....I was reading a thread on our sight of a PH with a 550 made in Africa. He used it to back up his clients. I think he shot 2 rhinos, 2 elephants, and a buff. For the life of me I can't find it to read again and forward it to a friend who thinks I am nuts for building one myself. Thank you for any help.

Samm

Steve

http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/4151064341/p/1

there ain't no flies on them .550's.

We own Neal a great deal of thanks for coming up with the caliber and making it a go!

Rich

What happened to the 600 OK pictures?

I PM'ed Wayne. He says they are coming.

Rich

OK Guys Finally getting closer to having actual shipping dates for the Rest of the PH's including the SS. We have been EXTREMELY backed up the last few weeks with other sutff so the delivery of the CM Rigby's was slowed a bit but they are going out again. We are having a whole new mag box and follower being built for the Standard magnums like the 458 Lott and 375 H&H and I dont' have a delivery time on the mag boxes just yet. The followers are done here so they will be ready when the boxes arrive. But we will start shipping the SS Gibbs and Rigby actions ahead of the CM Standard Mags. My best Estimate for the SS receivers to start shipping as of right now is going to be around February 1st (2011..because I know someone will ask that). We will be at SHOT this year again and will have a few of the PH's there for Show and even a 505 Gibbs Rifle. If any of you will be attending this year please stop by and say hello.

Thanks for the update. Looking forward to getting this action in the hands of my gunsmith!

I just got a stock from mpi with proper inletting for the ph action. If you have the skills to bed it and do the finish work it will make a very work able stock. They are ruff and require a bit of work but not the major fairing work I had to do. It will work with the mag box as it comes from the factory,or you can take some off the front of the mag box and reshape the stock for a more pleasing apperance. My 505 barrel taper is about max for the fore end. If you are making a master blaster than you need to tell doc so he can open up the mold just a little. The stock comes up fast and points well and handles the 505 recoil very well. You send your barreled action to doc, he can finish it out for you if you don't want to do it your self. I will be doing some additonal fairing work on the stock so the next mold will produce a more finished stock for those who don't have experience in finishing fiberglass.

PM me if you have questions or call mpi to get cost.

Make sure you tell them it is for a hard kicking big bore so the can beef up the action area and wrist.


JD

Does any one have a completed rifle using the MRC PH action? Mine is being fitted to a stock at the moment and I should see it in about a month I was told. I am keeping a picture log on the project but don't have permissions to post anything. I can and do have email and would like to see how every one else is doing.

I got first one way early and I did it in
my 700 and switched a barrel and did it in
585HE. I'm also doing one in my 585HSM.
Thre is another chambered in 700 for another party
waiting for a heavy duty MPI stock.Here is picture
of the 700 feeding, singlestack mag.Ed

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Originally posted by Gibs:
So after all the addo about getting your actions, has ANYONE yet PUBLICLY said thankyou AND an appologie to Jeff of MRC for all the grief you lot gave him??

I think the man deserves one, dont you.


Now if it would only fit a .729 I'd get one in SS!

I had to laugh when I read this!

Say you hired someone to build your house and they said it would take 4 months and it took 5 years. Would you be suing them in court or thanking them? Yeah, I thought so....

It is beyond me why gun builders can be such utter failures of delivery in timely matter.

If you think this was a success you are out of your mind!

GeoggM24......
My life work was as a tool maker--machine builder. I have put in 40 yrs at my trade and it was very apparent that when developing a first of any kind it was not a pull and build. My waiting for MRC to sort out all the bugs that a new action presents didn't bother me. I am working on a feed issue my self with their very fine action. I will over come. I only wished to know how any one else was doing and gain from their experiences. You are correct that there isn't any reason a gunsmith needs forever to build a rifle. The parts are all already developed and all that is necessary is to assemble them with the care of a professional. Thank you for your thoughts. I will check the web sites of those who answered my request and see what they have done.

Steven,

We have finished one PH rifle build. A photo of the rifle with the finished stock and the metal in-the-white is posted in this thread somewhere. We didn't take a photo of the rifle after the metal was finished. Forgot to I guess. That rifle was chambered in 505 Gibbs.

Getting it to feed was a bitch. We got it to feed, but there was a learning curve to get over. That is to be expected I guess with a new, untried action.

We are trying to finish up a 600 Overkill, but there are some factory machining problems with that bolt that MRC is correcting now. As soon as we get the bolt back from them we will finish it up and get some photos posted.

That 600 will be the last PH we work on. We have a good stock pattern for a duplicator if anyone is interested.

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Originally posted by Bitterroot:
That 600 will be the last PH we work on. We have a good stock pattern for a duplicator if anyone is interested.

That is terribly disappointing to learn. I had hoped to have you build my all-weather 600OK on my someday-to-be-delivered SS PH action with a laminate stock.

No idea nor really interested in where I will have that done if not by you.

Paul,

We have enough irons in the fire already to take on a new line. I hope someone can take this thing and run with it; make it work.

I was half expecting to see a PH rifle built and posted here by MRC by now. ????

I could see AHR not bringing in the PH as it makes their pricing scheme regards the ultra large bores difficult.Eg 700AHR on Granite action gets scant attention at 11,000 price tag when customers could get Ed's 700 by them on PH for 2/3 the price.And its more powerful and a true 700 and the new biggest on the block etc etc.

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Originally posted by Karl:
I could see AHR not bringing in the PH as it makes their pricing scheme regards the ultra large bores difficult.Eg 700AHR on Granite action gets scant attention at 11,000 price tag when customers could get Ed's 700 by them on PH for 2/3 the price.And its more powerful and a true 700 and the new biggest on the block etc etc.

Karl,
Has the 700AHR gotten only "scant attention"?

I was under the impression that the first 10 of these sold pretty darn quickly - and thats for an 11K bolt gun. I agree that there isn't much discussion here on AR but hardly reflects the real world - we all think too much of ourselves anyway

Ed has done a great job with the 700HE (and his myriad other projects). I can't tell from AR just how many bolt-action repeaters are out there in the hands of shooters besides Ed himself, but again, there might be a heck of a lot, just not many on PH actions.

Finally, just because the PH action is far less expensive than the GMA, that doesnt mean the final product will be so if it takes considerably more work to get it "right". As you can see from Wayne's post with the 505 and the 600 he is building on the PH action, no small feat to getting that done.

Not a knock on PH action - I am waiting for mine in stainless steel. I don't think AHR's decision to back out of using the PH has as much to do with undercutting the 700AHR as it does real ROI.

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Originally posted by CCMDoc:

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Originally posted by Karl:
I could see AHR not bringing in the PH as it makes their pricing scheme regards the ultra large bores difficult.Eg 700AHR on Granite action gets scant attention at 11,000 price tag when customers could get Ed's 700 by them on PH for 2/3 the price.And its more powerful and a true 700 and the new biggest on the block etc etc.

Karl,
Has the 700AHR gotten only "scant attention"?

Context- if they bring in a cheaper and more powerful bigbore, a true 700, the 700AHR gets scant attention.

Like the 600OK killed off a lot of 585 sales, customers wanting big will take a true 700 over a .685 or whatever it is with lathe brass anyday from the same manufacturer, especially if thousands cheaper.

Honestly who would even buy one if AHR offered both? Even if it took "$11,000 including upgrades"" to get the PH to work the 700AHR would go from dinosaur killer to dinosaur bones overnight.

I'm sure AHR has other reasons yes,bulk of their business in smaller stuff etc maybe, but I always doubted losing their flagship would be just a small consideration in whether to take up the PH.

Competition with Ed Hubel's 700 did not enter into the decision to stop working on the PH. If I thought that we could make the PH work with Ed's cartridge or ours I would have happily pursued it and found a price point that would hopefully sold a bunch of both of them. Whether we have the first or largest does not matter really, we just want to build a quality gun at a reasonable price. There is not enough business out there in the 585's, 600's, and 700's to begin with to worry about sales getting cut into from this or that new cartridge. Actually, competition helps all.

In my opinion the largest cartridge that we would build on the PH would be the 600 Overkill, and we already have two actions that are working great with it now. On the PH, the 600 OK requires removing no metal from the bolt face or the inner-receiver ring to make it fit. The factory 505 Gibbs bolt face is the same as the 600, and the 600 case just fits through the inner receiver-ring. I am not one to remove the metal required in these areas to fit either Ed's or our 700 into the PH. The PH has an .800" bolt diameter, the largest out there. I wish the bolt face and inner receiver-ring had been designed differently, like a Mauser, to maximize the usefulness of the large bolt.

I wish nothing but the best of luck to Ed with his 700. I have followed his progress, and I know he has worked hard on it. I hope he sells a bunch.

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Originally posted by Bitterroot:
If I thought that we could make the PH work with Ed's cartridge or ours I would have happily pursued it.

I wish the bolt face and inner receiver-ring had been designed differently, like a Mauser, to maximize the usefulness of the large bolt.

Fair points.
So the PH doesn't fit your guys design requirements.

I think that AHR realy concentrates on little smaller
calibers than 700s, and makes 'the' best top quality,
in doing so gets top dollar, delivering something
special to the buyer..........
As for doing my 700 I have reamers and the specs for any
smith with a lathe to modify bolt face and inner
mauser type ring in the PH for my 700. And the plans for
the singlestack mag. And For my 585HE long case
everything fits as is from MRC with minimum work
on mag box to get feeding. The initial PH price, a guy getting
his smith to do the work, and fitted to a heavy duty
MPI stock to make a good hunting big bore, not a special
showpiece, can be shooting for 3-4 grand.
I did my own work and have 1300 in it, if I got action at new
price it would be 1800.With a MPI stock about 400 more
than what the thumbhole stock I have now.Ed

Someone needs to take Ed up on his offer and run with this thing. He's got the tooling and experience that he is willing to share, MPI is making a glass stock, and we have the wood pattern available for the rifle that is pictured one page back on this thread. What more do you need?

the 600 mentioned is here is mine, and I am thankful that Wayne has persevered with it. I might get to shoot it this week if Wayne brings me a couple of rounds to Reno with the rifle.

I believe Wayne is THE consummate craftsman. He has all the kinks worked out of the CZ, and is building great rifles for not a lot of money. He took this on as a favor to me, and a challenge. Wayne is a one man operation, and the PH's just will take a lot of time to perform to his satisfaction. He's darn near to the "fussy" stage about his work.

I agree with his suggestion about taking your action to Ed Hubel. Ed got the first action, and has poured his heart and soul into it. He has the time to make them function to his high standards, and that should be rewarded.

Twenty Four hours, saddle up and head for Reno!!

Rich

I only did an extra 700 for a trade deal.
I will be 71 soon,tired, to much experimenting to do,
and don't smith for others on a steady basis.
I would have time to do the bolt work only.
But I have dies, cases, plans, etc. Load data.
Reamers to use for free with deposit or sell.Ed

Jeff

It's great to hear that things are finally coming together and that the end is in sight. One question if you please. Way back when you asked us to commit to a boltface and mag box. I was a little slow and was defaulted into a CM .534 standard magnum set up. Now that you are going to be stocking them and they are all the same price is there anyway I can swap for a different setup? I'd be happy to go to the back of the line if needed. I still might stay with original order I just wanted to see if this was even a possibility? You got me thinking of a 416 Rigby with five rounds down.....

Thanks for the Consideration

Brad

Hunting season is almost done, I will make the last bedding pass and clean up the lines on the mpi stock in the next couple weeks. It shold be a very workable stock for some realy big bores.

JD

Accurate Innovations has told me that they also plan to offer stocks for the PH action in the future. Unfortunatly, they do not have a timeline for the project as of now.

Royal Arms out of Simms Montana will inlet a stock for the PH

Mpi has a stock that will work as of right now, we are just working on a little finer product. Both will need bedding, the one currently avaible will need a little fairing before painting, not a big deal if you can do body work so to speak.

JD

Ed is awesome and has really made something special with his 700H...

Can't wait to start shooting it....

My 600 OK is a behemoth and I really can't fathom how powerfull the 700H is going to be...

1000 gr at 2400fps!?!?!

Jeff

Have the SS PH's started shipping yet? You gave an estimate of Feb. 1 back in Dec.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Originally posted by Big Stick:
Jeff

Have the SS PH's started shipping yet? You gave an estimate of Feb. 1 back in Dec.

Thanks,
Kevin

Yes, inquiring minds want to know

Kevin,
We are so close but not yet. The last two weeks of Dec were a wash because of the holidays and down manpower, then the first two weeks of Jan we were scrambling for SHOT, then out a week for SHOT, just getting back into the swing of things last week. Started shipping more CM's last week and all this week.

However, those of you who want barrels put on please notify us asap we are getting more and more of the larger caliber reamers in now. We have the 505 Gibbs, the 416 Rigby, the 378 WBY, 338 Lapua, 30-378 Wby, 338-378 WBY, 460 Wby, and the 460 A-Square....I am sure I am leaving some out...?

And if those of you who do not have a Large Budget, and want us to do the complete rifle for you, check out our website and look at the New Production Rifles. If one of them is what you want call me directly and I can help you out. The pictures are not up yet because the stocks are being made now.

Jeff

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Yes, inquiring minds want to know

+3!!!!