22WRF,

S7 is a tool steel of the shock resistance variety. Probably not better than 4140 prehard though. Hopefully buffalo can ask his metallurgist friend so we will all know the truth.

S7. Used for the cross pins on the Automag at the end. so I've read.

quote:

Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
This part that I made bold and in red, WHAT DOES IT MEAN, new_guy updating Satterlee's web site?

I built Stuart's website for him.

You are such a multi-talented individual!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by new_guy:

I built Stuart's website for him.

And jjs is clearly stating that you have received actions

ahead of others who've been waiting years for them; as

sort of a quid pro quo it seems. If that is true, it won't

make many friends for either you or Satterlee.

Impingement gave me a nice compliment a few posts up on page two.

THANK YOU.

I need to check Bolliger and the Golmatic firms out.

Bolliger - $40,000+ 416 Rigby:
http://www.mountainriflery.com...ages/263_240L_hq.jpg

I won't be buying this, I ain't close to that league...

$40,000?

I can't even see that number clearly from where I live...

That's three pretty nice safaris if you buy a new CZ 416 Rigby instead.

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by BigFiveJack:

quote:

Originally posted by new_guy:

I built Stuart's website for him.

And jjs is clearly stating that you have received actions

ahead of others who've been waiting years for them; as

sort of a quid pro quo it seems. If that is true, it won't

make many friends for either you or Satterlee.

Why would anyone hold it against new_guy if he was able to get product before others? It would seem that the fault would fall on the supplier. Right?

But I believe that you misunderstood the allegation. I believe new_guy had some work done on a Mauser. He posted pictures here.

Timan is not the first smith to put small jobs ahead of big jobs in the interest of keeping the cash flowing. I bet 99% do that...

quote:

Impingement gave me a nice compliment a few posts up on page two.

THANK YOU.

You are most welcome.
I have been mulling over the original question:

quote:

Satterlee 4140 steel used. G.M. 8620 steel used.

http://www.satterleearms.com/african_magnum.htm

http://www.granitemountainarms.com/african.html#

Which is superior and why please?

Also, Satterlee offers to put the three position

safety on the left side for right handed shooters

claiming it's the better position for the right

thumb to operate it. Is this true?

I suspect both metals are more than adequate for anything I would ever try. If one calculates the actual bearing surface of the lugs, the shear strength of the metal and the impact resistance, it will be evident that it will be hard to “use” either one enough to make a bit of difference in safety or funcionality. Obviously the one with the hardest skin will be more wear resistant but how many of us are ever going to use a rifle enough to wear a bolt and receiver appreciably. I shot on a unit rifle team for a three year period and later for a five year period. I used the same rifle for the first three year period and put roughly750 rounds downrange every week and the rifle did show some wear at the end of the period but it still shot 1.75 MOA. I do not know what it shot at first ( I was a newbie ) but the best I ever got reliably was ½ MOA. Since they would not rebuild the rifle I left the team. My point is: does “superior” really matter? Good enough is good enough, If high usage is going to be a factor, it might bear looking into, if not, I would go with what you want for what ever your reasons and not look back; but then I tend to be a functionalist.

As to the RH bolt and LH safety, I feel Stuart is absolutely correct. The superior ergonomics of the LH safety are very apparent when using the AR15 and similar rifles BUT also I agree with others who have stated that having the safety in different locations for your DRG rifles is just asking for trouble. I know when I am shooting a thumbhole stock, my first reaction in a moment of excitement is to try to manipulate the safety with my thumb, Not a good thing if your life depends on it. If you convert one, convert them all (if possible) and then practice until it is second nature. If you cannot achieve uniformity, allow a larger safety margin.

To sum; as to what I “know”; I do NOT “know” which steel is superior. As to my opinion: given the absence of any other factors, I would choose the Satterlee action without qualification. It is better than “good enough” for me and I am comfortable with the quality. I would not be comfortable with something needing extensive work just out of the box. You may come to other conclusions; we are, after all, different people with different needs, tastes and concerns.

I stress this is a decision that is best arrived at after a lengthy self-questioning process; a process in which you ask yourself questions and evaluate the validity of the answers you come up with and the credibility of your sources. When you are absolutely sure you have asked and answered every question truthfully and not engaged in wishful or magical thinking, then go with your decision and do not look back. If the future shows you have made a poor decision, (like twice marrying the wrong person-boy could I have a lot of fine guns if I had made the right decision the first time!) pick yourself up, learn what was wrong with your decision making process, and move along life’s road being wiser and more determined not to make that mistake again.

There is no guarantee you will make the right decision, but at least it will have been your own decision. The word decision implies thought; there is no thought without evaluation, there is no evaluation without evidence. Figure out what constitutes evidence on your part, assign a weight to the evidence, evaluate the validity and applicability of the evidence, think about if you have any shown bias or “tampered” with the evidence, then decide.
Good luck contestants (Jeopardy theme music please!)

quote:

Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
... you have received actions ahead of others who've been waiting years for them; as sort of a quid pro quo it seems. If that is true, it won't make many friends for either you or Satterlee.

Jack - Both of my actions came out of existing inventory.

I got my first one in March of 2006.

The second one was a Titanium. I believe he still has those in stock.

Butch Lambert purchased one recently from the Classifieds here. It was in inventory, and he bought it.

I don't see how buying something from inventory and getting it quicker can reflect unfavorably upon anyone.

new_guy,
I recall some of your postings on those actions, and they included work like barreling, stocking, sights.
Who did that work for you while at least one other person I know has been waiting many years for the same?

DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"

What the parent case for a 600 Overkill.
Timan

Stuart,

check with Robgunbuilder or Wyane at AHR.
I want to say 600NE rimless.

Rich

We have never had a problem getting actions from Stu over here at Express Rifles

quote:

Originally posted by Timan:
What the parent case for a 600 Overkill.
Timan

If you do a search you will find Rob started turning cases from brass. There was no parent case. All ground up design. Then he had brass made to fit his design.

As new guy said, I bought mine off of this forum's classifieds. It was shipped promptly.
Butch

Jack,

For what you seem to be after get a CZ550, work it over, and never look back!!! The CZ 550 is an original magnum M1898 Mauser, with the Winchester M70 ejector, fitted with a trigger safety. The last can easily be fixed if you desire. Quit fretting over all these so called improved actions. For what you want they are nothing more than wasted money ie money that should have been used hunting!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by new_guy:

quote:

Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
... you have received actions ahead of others who've been waiting years for them; as sort of a quid pro quo it seems. If that is true, it won't make many friends for either you or Satterlee.

Jack - Both of my actions came out of existing inventory.

I got my first one in March of 2006.

The second one was a Titanium. I believe he still has those in stock.

Butch Lambert purchased one recently from the Classifieds here. It was in inventory, and he bought it.

I don't see how buying something from inventory and getting it quicker can reflect unfavorably upon anyone.

Chris,

My conversations with you lead me to conclude you are a straight shooter.

Your partial quote of my words above is unfair to me. jjs

clearly believes you were wrongly advanced in the waiting line to receive actions.

If that is true guys will be unhappy with you and Satterlee is what I expect.

You say you were NOT given favorable treatment and give a good basis to support

that assertion. In an EXTREME comparison it's like when JOHN MCCAIN was a POW and

the enemy offered to jump him up in the list to be released, he said NO because he

knew it was right to wait his turn; and to be put ahead of others because his dad held

a position of influence in the USA would have been morally wrong. Again based on your

above assertions I believe at this time that you did NOT get favorable treatment.

I am glad to have concluded that, as I already said, I had believed already that you

were a straight shooter. It is good for Satterlee as well.

quote:

Originally posted by ScottS:
Jack,

For what you seem to be after get a CZ550, work it over, and never look back!!! The CZ 550 is an original magnum M1898 Mauser, with the Winchester M70 ejector, fitted with a trigger safety. The last can easily be fixed if you desire. Quit fretting over all these so called improved actions. For what you want they are nothing more than wasted money ie money that should have been used hunting!!!!

It just does not look like that classic image of a 500 Jeffery
bolt action rifle built by Jeffery of London though...

quote:

Originally posted by BigFiveJack:
It just does not look like that classic image of a 500 Jeffery
bolt action rifle built by Jeffery of London though...

Wouldn't achieving that require an original M98 with thumb cut?

Jack,

For what they want for these actions you have been asking about that CZ could be machined to look like an original Mauser fully slicked up and still be half the cost!

I agree the CZ can be made to really look good. For a while I owned two Rigby (The Real Rigby) built rifles. I had a 416 and a 450. Because of availability these were full treatment best guns built using the CZ action. I would strongly consider the CZ for the significant money difference. A good metal man can really dress them up!

Not to mention that the CZ is a forged receiver properly heat treated. A forging is a significant improvement over a machined block of steel, it has to do with grain flow you know.

RE the CZ: there's a thread here on a custom in 416 Rigby being built on one. That action looks F-I-N-E!!!!

Rich

And now, we have the MRC PH actions almost ready for primetime. It's going to be a good next several years for big bore guys; just look at the choices today.

EXPRESS RIFLES
i guess ones mans loss is another mans gain...next year in feb will be 4 years since i ordered and paid in full , as requested by satterlee, i was assured once he comes back from the SCI show he will start on my actions and not stop till they are finished, he said he needs to pay him self wages during this time.....4 years later still no action....just a hour or so i recived an e mail saying that my actions had to be put aside for a few days, as he had more pressing things to do
He told me eairler on this week that he will be doing the chambering next week...i asked have you got the 375 and 416 RUGER reamers...no not yet....shows you how much priority he is giving to my project after being paid in full, yet all the time i hear he is turning out work for others....you may be able to expain this business model....
Daniel

Scott is correct better grain flow.

Not that it makes a nickels worth of differance in strength.

Neither will ever blow apart. sure you could screw any action up, neither will grenade.

The brass is always the weakest link in the chain. Damn good thing too. Basic very Basic.

Scott in all of your wisdom, try not to overlook the basics. Brass weak....steel strong.

I can ruin any action made if I try hard enough.
fill the case with bullseye weld the barrel shut and yank the lanyard.
Congrats..... I'm an idiot. whoop de do.

My actions have been thru the proof houses in Europe. They said good, no problem. They said very very nice. Better than Johansen.

8x68s
300 Win. Mag
375 H&H
300 H&H

If an action is going to have a problem in the proof house it will be apparent on any of these 4 cartidges.

The cz is a fine action. But, There is a segment of society that is not interested in anything cz has to offer, period, ever and thats that.

No matter what you do the cz will never ever good enough.

Why? not even close to expensive enough. Price is everything for this very small segment. The more the better.

150K is not an alarming number for these folks.

This small segment basically owns the world.

get the picture yet.

with that, I bid you all good bye as I'm all finished with A/R.

This place so chucked full of antagonists it's not even funny, not to mention a huge waste my time.
Maybe catch some of you on the flip side.
Later on.
Stuart Satterlee/ Aka/ Timan

It is about time the snot-nosed punk quit showing his ass around here.

quote:

Originally posted by Timan:
Scott is correct better grain flow.

Not that it makes a nickels worth of differance in strength.

Neither will ever blow apart. sure you could screw any action up, neither will grenade.

The brass is always the weakest link in the chain. Damn good thing too. Basic very Basic.

Scott in all of your wisdom, try not to overlook the basics. Brass weak....steel strong.

I can ruin any action made if I try hard enough.
fill the case with bullseye weld the barrel shut and yank the lanyard.
Congrats..... I'm an idiot. whoop de do.

My actions have been thru the proof houses in Europe. They said good, no problem. They said very very nice. Better than Johansen.

8x68s
300 Win. Mag
375 H&H
300 H&H

If an action is going to have a problem in the proof house it will be apparent on any of these 4 cartidges.

The cz is a fine action. But, There is a segment of society that is not interested in anything cz has to offer, period, ever and thats that.

No matter what you do the cz will never ever good enough.

Why? not even close to expensive enough. Price is everything for this very small segment. The more the better.

150K is not an alarming number for these folks.

This small segment basically owns the world.

get the picture yet.

with that, I bid you all good bye as I'm all finished with A/R.

This place so chucked full of antagonists it's not even funny, not to mention a huge waste my time.
Maybe catch some of you on the flip side.
Later on.
Stuart Satterlee/ Aka/ Timan

Con artists don't last long on accuratereloading.com.
Sounds like a trip to Deadwood to trim some deadwood is in order.

DRG says: "Kiss my liberal grits!"

The bad thing on Stuarts part is he gives no explanation as to why the folks on here have not recieved their goods!

He doesnt have to go in great detail, but a little explanation why, might help potential buyers if they decided to use him.

Jeff @ MRC does it, I even think in the initial stages Greg Hein did too.

I was thinking of having Stuart do a rifle for me a couple yrs ago..........sure glad I didnt!

Like ive stated we have never had trouble getting an action from Mr.Satterlee we placed our order sci reno in january client was getting upset placed a call and if memory serves me right I placed the call in may and in june we had it

Express_Rifles you have a PM!

quote:

Originally posted by ForrestB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTUy_mlpgy4

Funny, but all too true - as in fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

EXPRESS RIFLE
thats the infuriating thing, you placed your order, and got it, others have placed orders after me and have recived there actions here i placed my order, paid up front , as requested by Satterlee and still he refuses to deliver.
Last year he told me he was going to have my rifle ready before i went to Zimbabwae for my leopard hunt in july....he had barely started on it as i left
i could go on and on telling you about my night mare, but the AR server does not have enough memory, IM SERIOUS
The fact that im not the only one, speaks volumes about Satterlee,s integrity, but then again i have my self to blame, no one else
Let this be a waringing to others
Daniel

Well I'll consider using a Satterlee if the rifle maker that I choose

has one in hand. Otherwise I'll have to choose something else, like

a CZ that's had cosmetic surgery as LJS has posted can be done,

or a http://www.golmatic.de/Waffen_...arf_en/system_en.htm or

one from http://www.mountainriflery.com/whats_new.php or...

{competition serves the buyer...}

This is a poor pic of my Lott in a CZ550. This was a very inexpensive project.

Butch

Bye bye Stuart. I for one am sad to see you go, as you have been a wonderful source of entertainment (but then I haven't bought an action from you that you haven't delivered after several years of waiting either).

Your last post refers to nothing more than snob appeal. Big deal, I still say 4140 prehard sucks!!

Butch very nice looking CZ!!!

quote:

Originally posted by butchlambert:
This is a poor pic of my Lott in a CZ550. This was a very inexpensive project.

Butch

Can you show the opposite side please?

Jack,
I think I have a few more photos, but can't send any from this computer. I can do it tomorrow or can email more to you. David Christman did the work.
Butch

Could I see more of the stock? I am interested in the stock configuration and appearance since I can always learn from other peoples work. I like what I see so far. Of course, I tend to like looking at OPG (Other People's Guns)!

Me TOO imp.

Butch, PM sent.