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Hello, Stuart, Boy those sure do look excellant. Glad to see you will have the 3 actions done for M98. BTW, Did those Krieger barrels arrive yet? Send me a PM please. Best, Roger "A long life, and the good sense to live it." ...Quintis Arrius 375H&H,404J,416DAK,458AFR,416RIG,450RIG,505GIB Avatar: Gregory Peck & Susan Hayward in Africa NRA member | |||
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Show some real gumption; -send Stuart an full amount payment for one. | |||
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And furthermore, please no more PM's to me about Baby Stuey's poopoo flinging. You are on your own. I ducked his crap. I have no illusions about nor any desire whatsoever to own a Satterlee action. They are just silver turds IMHO. Good luck polishing your turds. The rest of you that are still in the lurch: Good luck!
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22WRF, Duh. You are the master of the obvious eh? I thought my last post was an invitation for everyone to leave me out of this. But there you go again adressing me on this thread. Note: No response from you to me about this post is desired by me. If you wish to keep referencing me, feel free. May this thread live for all eternity in infamy. No more PM's about Baby Stuey please. Good luck with polishing turds. | |||
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RIP DUH I don't care what is "desired" by you. Nor have I sent you any PMs since this thread started. I think its you who are the master of the obvious. Your upset because you didn't hang in there like M98 did, and now you are jealous becasue you aren't getting a Satterlee action.  | |||
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22DUH, Wrong you are, overjoyed I am. Keep this thread going until Baby Stuey makes good on his promises or goes the way of Greg Heinie. | |||
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I think (suspect) the reason M98 is finally seeing some progress on his prepaid-in-full actions is because of this forum. And, maybe the reason 22WRF's money and order has been declined can also be credited to the holy stink made right here in this thread. No more accepting of orders that cannot be profitably completed in a specified time. I think we should all be grateful to RIP and others for giving 1/2 damn. | |||
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Thank you, and the same wishes to you and your family in the true spirit of Christmas. | |||
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Which time will apparently be as soon as, but not before, you get 29 other suckers to join you. Sorry, but I couldn't help it. This soap opera needs a new and more convincing sponsor. IMHO, of course. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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Mrlexma I will ask you the same question. What have you been smoking. My order is going in this spring whether a few other intelligent individuals order or not. I might have to wait longer if nobody else orders, but I am prepared to do that. I have other rifles to use in the meantime. What this soap opera really needs is for people who have no intention of ordering something from Stuart, or have not ordered anything from Stuart, or have already canceled an order from Stuart, to move on. | |||
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Call me dense, but how are interested guys "suckers" if the money is incrementally put into SS's hands from an ESCROW ACCOUNT, as progress is incrementally proven to be taking place along a predetermined time line, and SS receives NO MORE THAN HALF the total UNTIL all buyers possess actions? So let's say we have a contract that says all 30 buyers will have actions in hand by June 17, 2010, [I don't know if that is physically pos- sible this is just an example.] There's 90K in ESCROW Dec 17, 2009. As days go by SS keeps on track with the predetermined time line of production, right through June 01,2010, and on that day he gets a 5K payment bringing him to a total amount received from ESCROW of 45K. On June 07, 2010 SS announces: 1- all actions are done and 2- the shipping out procedure is started. By June 14, 29 buyers have publicly posted that their actions have reached them. The next day, June 15, the 30th buyer posts that his action is in hand. That day the bank is notified and the remaining 45K is paid to SS. Where's the problem with that course of events? Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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Jack, This is not meant as an attack, but rather an answer to the question you pose in the first sentence of your post. I would love to have a Saterlee action, but will never order one from him. It is not the $3 to $5K that keeps me from ordering one, it is the responses he made to Forrest when he (Satterlee) could not deliver the action for which he had been paid. In my opinion, that same level of arrogance can be seen in the replies Saterlee has posted on this thread. I own and enjoy shooting some very nice rifles, and would like very much to own a Saterlee, but the thing that keeps me from ordering one is the same thing that keeps me from sending money to Bernie Madoff. A ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme; and whether you are on the winning or losing side of the deal, it is still wrong. Yes, I know how an escrow account works and understand that it would be funded on a percentage of completion basis, but, given the history, how many people outside of the escrow account would have purchased those same actions? If you have to go to the lengths you describe to hopefully ensure that your money is safe, why would you even consider doing business with this person? ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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I second that motion. Return to the original subject or close it (the thread). | |||
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Your seriously in for one only when you actually send the money in for one. You didnt put your money where your mouth is when you assured people they would get their WFH rifles...and you havent put your money where your mouth is with regards to an Satterlee. A person of substance backs up what they say with realworld action. Talk alone is cheap. You havent supported Stuarts shop financially and I doubt you were shoulder to shoulder with him helping to machine receivers. So I cant see where you have hung in with him in the trenches to any valuable degree. Stuart is running a business, to demonstrate your truelly willing to hang in with him, you need to send payment for an receiver. | |||
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Lhook7, The guy, SS, may well be making the best actions in the world at a price I can handle. No offense was taken by me from your post.  The opening questions of this thread were asked and answered. New questions that are valid came up. I've learned because of them that SS does not have a good track record on the matter of delivery time. So I've learned I can't just send money blindly, and I'm grateful to those who saved me from that. But through an ESCROW account it way be that I get one of these yet. We'll see. 22WRF, If you put something together that I like I'll join in, let me know. I'm outta here, so long to all and thanks!  Jack OH GOD! {Seriously, we need the help.} | |||
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MHC-TX If I recall correctly from another thread like this one, didn't you purchase a Satterlee action a few years ago that you were going to have built into a rifle to take on a Safari? Was wondering how the action performed for you on the Safari and whether you had any photos of the rifle? | |||
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Yes, I purchased a Satterlee action for a 416 Rigby. To make a long story short......(you can do a search on this forum if you want to know the story).......I also purchased a Granite Mtn action and built the 416 Rigby on it. I ordered the Granite Mountain action after the Satterlee action was way over due and still got the Granite Mtn action before the Satterlee. Duane Wiebe is building the 416 Rigby and it is being blued as you read this. | |||
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MHC-TX Yes, I remember the story without needing to read it again. I just wanted to make a point about that situation. Not against you, and certainly not against Mr. Wiebe. My point is directed to all of the folks who came on this thread and yelled and screamed at Stuart becasue he may have done some work for other people before they, or somebody they knew, or some imaginary person, got their work done. Those people could take a lesson from YOU. Even though your action has been at Duane's for the past 2 1/2 years or so, I am sure he has completed many other jobs for many other people since then. Mabye not all of them were started after your job, but probably some of them. And for sure, many bottom metals have been made and delivered after your job was started. AGAIN, my point is this. No matter who the gunmaker is, if its custom work, and not a "run' of something, then certain things are going to get done ahead of other things. That is the nature of custom gunwork. And in this economy, there may even be times when there is a job that can get out the door faster than another job that might pay a bill faster than another job. And so those jobs get done first. I don't think a lot of people know that Stuart does a lot of custom gunwork on mauser actions that are not of his own making. And he is a stockmaker of beautiful stocks as well. Sure, it doesn't seem fair to those who are waiting. After all, none of us gets to go back and recoup some of our life. But when one orders CUSTOM those are some of the things you have to put up with in order to get what you want. I applaud you on your patience. Please post photos of your Satterlee/Wiebe rifle when it gets done. Trax I will be sure to let you know the next time I change my underwear. | |||
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Do you make this shit up. I don't know how you got any of that from what I just posted. Here it is again: I ordered a GMA action after I couldn't get my Satterlee action delivered. The GMA was ordered after the Satterlee action was over due and I still got the GMA action 1st. The 416 Rigby is being built on the GMA action. You are not helping your case here. And I have zero patience for being strung along. | |||
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I don't give a shit what your patience is and I am not stringing you along. Read my post. You said the 416 was built. I understood that to mean finished. So it appeared to me that the Satterlee was also at Duane's and is now being blued. Is that correct? If not, I stand corrected on the particular action, but not on the concept. "How did I get all of that"? Well, your action, whether its a Granite Mountain or a Satterlee, has been at Duane's how long? And Duane is doing work on other actions. An example is this one. http://forums.accuratereloadin...9411043/m/1241036221 Its the same damn thing. Again,I am NOT saying anything negative about Duane. Rather, just that gunmakers do certain jobs when they can and that sometimes certain jobs are put in front of other jobs. Its no different than a hundred other people who have posted here on AR who have had gunwork done by other gunmakers. I bet there isn't a one of them where the gunamker did all of the work right away on one particular gun before doing work on another one. I have had work at a couple of gunmakers where in fact I inquired as to how things were going and received a reply back that certain things had to get done on other people's work before my work. | |||
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Regarding 22WRF - Just do as me everybody - put this idiot on ignore!! Damn trolls!! | |||
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Buffalo Your post tends to show that it is you who are the "idiot" If I am on your ignore how come you responded to my post? And if you have just put me on ignore, thank you. Now I don't have to put up with your shit every time I make a post you don't like. Finally, I believe Trolls are Scandanavian, aren't they. Something about giants and dwarfs living in caves? | |||
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I didn't mean that "you" strung me along......I was strung along by Satterlee when I ordered his action. You know nothing about the rest of the gun build, so that was all speculation on your part.....which is wrong again. You tend to run long on advise for others, but you haven't been there or done that. I am going to stop here, because the rest of what I would like to say is not real constructive. | |||
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I don't need to know anything about the gun build to make my point other than what you have just written, which is that the project is not finished yet. Your post takes the tone that I was saying something negative, when in fact I was saying something positive. I was commending you for your patience on waiting for quite some time to have your rifle built, and for your not coming on AR and complaining about it, even though other work was completed in that shop before yours. And I was not saying that the shop did anything wrong. Quite the contrary. Its as simple as that. No more. No less. | |||
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That is rather interesting.......... How super red hot rush gotta have it yesteday jobs just slowly turn into arountuits. Could we be whitnessing a double standard here? Happens in every shop. I promise you. Those who can't believe it are totally nieve. Timan | |||
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Timan I'm in the same boat as Big Five Jack. Everything I have heard about the quality of your actions is positive. That said, what is the honest to god no bullshit leadtime for an action suitable for a 300 H&H? I learned a long time ago in my business to quote lead times that I knew I could better. Prevents a lot of the crap I'm reading here. I am sincere about an action so please be honest with me. | |||
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Timan and 22WRF, I ordered a rifle from Duane. He gave me a completion date and then delivered before that date. This despite the fact that we ran into some major issues with the barrel and had to order a new barrel right when he was at the point of being ready to blue. I tried to order an action from Stuart and couldn't even get a good estimate on a delivery date for just the action. You two are comparing apples and bowling balls. I have now ordered another rifle from Duane (ironically the one where I had planned on using the Satterlee action). I'd be willing to lay some pretty good odds that Duane delivers a completed rifle before Stuart delivers actions to people that have waited longer than me. Interestingly, ordered an action from GMA. They quoted me six to nine months delivery and had it done in five. I ordered a custom barrel from Ralf Martini. He quoted me a year and delivered in under that time frame. | |||
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cas II You completely missed my point. I was not speaking about estimating or making delivery dates. Rather, I was just pointing out that many gunmaker's shops do work on a "can do" basis. Today I can do this so I will, tommorow I can do this so I will. That, as opposed to taking in a project and working on that particular project to the detriment of all others until it is completed in its entirety. As I previously stated, it was not meant to discredit in any way, but rather was an attempt to placate those who complain that gunmakers sometimes perform work on other people's projects even though their project was taken in earlier than the others. | |||
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Once again it is you who have badly missed the point. By trying to make apologies for Stuart (like you did for Hein), you actually pointed out how inept they were at running their business. Everyone encounters issues, but most people still deliver on promises. Do you actually think that Duane had no issues or other demands arise while working on my rifle? Was his work not completely custom, one off work? Hell, I told you that we had to start over from scratch with the barrel, and yet Duane still delivered when he said he would. Do you think that Ralf Martini had nothing come up when working on my custom, one off barrel? He delivered on time. Do you think that GMA stoppped the entire shop to build my action? Do you think they had no challenges during that time frame? They still delivered on time. Everyone has challenges, everyone faces obstacles. Some people handle them and some people use them as excuses. Worse still, some people look in the from the outside, with no skin in the game and scold those who have been screwed and make excuses for someone who can't overcome challenges that every other business owner in the world seems to handle. | |||
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CASII No, you missed my point. And from your post I can see that there is no point in trying to explain it to you further. In addition, my main point in the Hein discussion was that if you push him to the wall he would tune out and nothing would be gained. I think that is exactly what happened. ( I sure as wasn't sticking up for him. ) My motivation is the same here. If Stuart says to hell with it and just walks away and files for bankrupcy, nobody gets anything, and I don't get to order an action. | |||
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Great philosophy. Probably shouldn't punish kids either because they might get upset and scream and yell. Hell, why hold anybody accountable for their actions (or lack of), it is far easier to make excuses for them. Rock on! | |||
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Finished Satterlee actions are now $5000.00 USD. Satterlee Arms does not release unfinished actions for outside finishing. Your Satterlee action will be delivered in finished condition all polish work and function work will be complete for your specified cartridge choice. Lead time is an estimate not a gaurantee of a delivery date. current lead estimate up to 2.5 years. As I wrap up a few current jobs this time will be less as the backlog size has dropped in size over the last year. Whats in production may not be what you are looking for. even though actions are in production. Example: you may want an action for a 416 Rigby. Satterlee Arms in running 06 actions and won't be running Rigbys for a 12 months. Actions suitable for 30-06 thru 458 Lott will be running early spring and and summer of 2010. 375 H&H thru 458 lott will are offered with 3 or 4 shot boxes choice of RH or Lh safety. 06 and 300 size actions will be offered with 4 and 3 shot boxes respectively and offered with with Rh or lh safety. 8 actions currently on deck for the above sizes are the core of this run. There is room for 8 to 10 more action buyers to join this run. Cut off date for this production run is February 15th 2010. Thank you, Stuart Satterlee www.satterleearms.com | |||
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how does this guy eat?? | |||
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Like the 60's tune: "Why is everybody always picking on me?" Jim Kobe 10841 Oxborough Ave So Bloomington MN 55437 952.884.6031 Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild | |||
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How about we give it a rest and wait to see what develops. Someone stated some pages back that there is probably room for everyone in the boat and I agree. Opinions are opinions and last time I checked the only species posting to the web was considered to be the most evolved on the planet. I would like to think we are civilized as well as evolved. In keeping with the spirit of this post, this is my opinion and it is worth what you paid for it! Restraint Gentlemen. | |||
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FOURBORE let me tell you its not because of this forum that im seeing work on my action, belive me i know, Stuart could not give a rats rear, he works to his own time schedule, and to hell with me and my melt downs etc etc Daniel | |||
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ACTION UPDATE actions still not finished but getting there Daniel | |||
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EXPRESS RIFLE i now know why you have not replied to my question.....your related to stuart , that expains everything and adds another piece to the puzzle, of you getting your action on time....however i stand to be corrected! Daniel | |||
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mike im afraid to say this on AR as i will probably get lynched,but the actions are going into mcmillam stocks, actions will be coated with Wcc , and they will be used to sort out a few sambar, do you get the picture barrels 06 has a kreiger as does the 375 ruger and the 416 ruger is going to wearr a barrel from Dan peterson | |||
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