Bill,
I reckon your Model 12 "Riot Gun" in similar condition would be worth twice what my Model 12 "Safe Queen" is worth.
The trick is to find an FPD Riot Gun in excellent condition.
Then again, the FPD marking might add "provenance value."

Rip ...

By a wonderful God Wink, the .458-cal./ 480-gr Woodleigh HYDRO is 1.473" long, made of brass, without the plastic cap on it.
Almost identical to the 1.470" length of the copper "TSeXacto" aka ".458 T-sex."
Might as well call the .458-cal/ 480-gr T-sex the "HYDRA."
HYDRA hollow point and HYDRO solid.

Rip ...

Now that we have perfected the monometal copper payload for the .458 WIN-V 3.6",
I might finish up some cast bullet loads,
whenever the weather allows.

It also occurs to me that the .458"/ 480-gr T-sex monometal copper hollow point
would be a great shape to make into an FNGC cast bullet.
Plumb sexy !
Might become a .461"/ 570-grainer in 92/5/2/1 alloy,
for perfection of Selous Ruse loads in any SAAMI .458 Win.Mag. at ShortCOL.
Super loads in a .458 WIN-V 3.6".
A .458 WIN-V 3.8" would be wasted on this bullet,
maximized for 3.6" COL.

But first, some fun with this cutie ...

... which should mimic the old .450 EX, .450 NE, and beyond,
for THE MISSION, believe it or don't.

Rip ...

We still have members who PM instead of asking here at THE MISSION for a review of bullet tricks from Bubba Gunwerks.
Bubba has added a few new tricks:

Bubba MacGyver!

boom stick,

Buy a donkey for those flowers, buy a buy a donkey.

Now for the hollow point enlargement tutorial:

A thought:
The .458"/ 450-gr TSX could be made to fit 3.6" COL exactly, instead of the 3.68" COL when seated on the 4th/last cannelure.
Only have to take off 0.080" length from the tip of the bullet.
Then the hollow point could be chamfered and drilled for weight reduction.
At 433 grains and 2500 fps (25" barrel) it would produce 6010 ft-lbs.

Some folks turn up their noses at an all-purpose big game rifle that will not do 2500 fps.

The scarce 400-grain HV for Everyman's all-purpose SAAMI .458 Win.Mag. easily does +2500 fps at 3.395" COL,
even in Marcella's 23" McGowen barrel.
This bullet could thus have a stand-in,
and a more powerful one at that:

The .458"/ 433-gr TSeX bullet at 2500 fps, SD = 0.295.
.458"/ 440-gr SD = 0.300.
Just a thought.
Even a Registurd Democratic Party Member could do it.

Rip ...

Ought to work at 3.600" COL even in a .458 Lott,
though you might have to seat it with a driving band smack-dab on the case mouth,
lousy crimp location,
instead of the cannelure/groove,
or trim the Lott brass shorter.
Reaction of a typical .458 Lott shooter or Democratic Party member, but I repeat myself, is seen below:



Those Democratic-Party-member-.458-Lott-shooters are not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

Rip ...

sambarman338,

Buy a donkey for ringing THE MISSION bell.

Mystery solved: 440.0 grains and 1.432" exactly:

The 440-grain TSiX ought to expand on impact with any sort of varmint, I reckon.

.458/ 440-grainer SD = 0.300
440-grainer at 2480 fps = 6010 ft-lbs KE.
Close enough to 2500 fps for government work.

.458/ 480-grainer SD = 0.327
480-grainer at 2380 fps = 6038 ft-lbs KE.
Might as well change the model name of that one to TSiX also, so, .458/ 480-gr and 440-gr TSiX.
440-grain T6 for thin-skinned varmints.
480-grain T6 for thick-skinned varmints.
480-grain X-TSX-SS (Semi-Solid) is the magazine filler for backup use in all varmint work,
the charge stopper.
Impervious to magazine battering.

More than enough for government work.

Who said the .458 WIN has trouble doing 5000 ft-lbs?
Not anyone in the know.

Rip ...

I seem to have two different lots of 450-grain TSX bullets.
One lot (# 1) is about 1.520" long and the other (# 2) is about 1.512" long.
The longer ones weigh a little over 450 grains, average.
The shorter ones weigh a little under 450-grains, average.
They have slightly different band & groove conformation.
See that here:



They have different depths of hollow point.
It is amazing they are both as close to 450 grains as they are.

I will be aware of this in making up batches of T6 440-grainers, and 480-grainers.

Even if all my "Improved" bullets are exactly the same length and weight specified,
eliminating as much variation in bands and hollow points as possible is good.

After drilling, one of these needed more chamfering to get the weight exact:



Sort your TSX bullets into lots, and keep them sorted by lot after IMPROVEMENT.

Rip ...

I bet Barnes changed the lengths of their .458 bullets by close to 0.010" to appease a bunch of whining .458 Lott shooters.
They were having trouble loading the TSX bullets in 2.8" brass to stay within 3.600" COL.
They had to trim their brass shorter.
They had nightmares about the truth.
Such as a SAAMI-chambered .458 Lott is easy to beat with a SAAMI-chambered .458 WIN, in a Ruger No.1, etc.



Rip ...

I think I have already said this two or three times.

This thread can be/should be the reference thread on every thing gun related.

It covers from black powder/paper patch game shooing at 1000 yards or so to whatever you can imagine. It covers very form of scope mounting. Simply, it covers everything. Bedding, you name it, you will find it here. Even CRF and Push Feed.

Of course a top highlight of the thread is Ron's (RIP) postings of articles from the past as well as countless close ups of scope mounting, bedding etc. and you name it.

If you are thinking of necking a 300 Wby (even a 378) to 224 or necking a 308 to 410, the answers are in this thread.

Without Ron's fantastic picture posting the thread would not be same.

Ron,

Nobody appreciated the old articles more than myself. Fucking unreal.

I hate to say this but …………….. I think fucking Blasers were included.

RIP;

"Thanks" somehow seems well short of the praise deserved for all you've put into this prodigious encyclopedic work on the .458 Winchester Magnum. You are at least deserving of a PhD in Mechanical Engineering, and another for such explicit and finely detailed photographic work.

I literally am speechless!

Sincerely stated.

Bob
www.bigbores.ca