Don and Saeed - thank you, really nice banner and quite comic!

Will there be one for Midsummer as well?

Naturally, there is always some individual/group complaining over something. Celebrate those holidays or festivities you like…

Cheers
/JOHAN

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Originally posted by Mark:

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Originally posted by Ben589:
Hey Clem,

You ever see that movie "Escanaba in da Moonlight"?

It's about a hunting camp in the U.P.

My wife's from Michigan (Fenton), and she has a lot of family in the U.P. area.

So are you a Yoopers fan too, ya hey dere?

U.P. or not, they have some of the funniest hunting and fishing songs around.

Like "Da Second Day of Deer Camp"??

http://www.dayoopers.com

I thought it was "Second week of deer camp"

From back in the good old days when workers could actually take a couple of weeks off! In a row!

I haven't listened to all of their albums, and not all of their songs are side splitters, but the ones that are sure do the job!

Saeed says,

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I believe each of us has the right to worship any God he deems right for him. And that is between that individual and his chosen God.

Not for any of us to interfer with.

Here at AR we celebrate all the celebration people participate in in many parts of the world.

We do not support one religion over another.

So by celebrating, you infact endorse, do you not?
So in reality you are a Theosophist, to wich end you deny your own faith.

Hrmm ... I didn't know there were CDs associated with the UP ... I'll have to look into the Yoopers and try to find some.

I'm sure my wife would groan at some of those.

She had to explain to me what a "pastie" was.

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Originally posted by Ben589:
Hrmm ... I didn't know there were CDs associated with the UP ... I'll have to look into the Yoopers and try to find some.

I'm sure my wife would groan at some of those.

She had to explain to me what a "pastie" was.

Oh ya we had CD's up here a long time. But id radder have da Cold Drinks in da summer den da winter. Just tell da wife its ice tea and she won't groan. Day go good wit da pasties too.

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Originally posted by allen day:
I've been a part of AR for quite a few years, but this morning's greeting at the top of the page flies in the face of everything I believe in.

Therefore, I resign myself from AR as of this morning, and I won't be back.........

AD

Way too damn funny! The Christ himself preached tolerence of other religions.. Allen is off to crusade.


Allen,
(and I doubt you are actually gone and won't be gone long) Which are you Catholic, any of 10000 flavors of baptists, Mehtodist, Easter O, Russian O, Romanian O, Pentecostal, AG, Charismatic, Primitive baptists, anglican, episicapalian, Coptic, Quaker, Shaker, Mormon, JV, Christian Scientist, lutherian, Bnai Brih, or even a Jew for Christ?

Because if you aren't Roman Catholic (the largest single faith/docrine christian church) then the Pope thinks you are either a heretic or a pagan..


jeffe

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Originally posted by interboat:
Since the very beginning there has been a winter solstice that every sane human looking toward spring can celebrate.

Every single fucking religion in the world has tried to steal the solstice as its own proprietary holiday.

The very best hunters have always been the Pagans, who celebrate the solstice for what it is, not the made-up birthday of some little over-hyped ethnic fortune-teller.

BOb,
i just gotta salute it when it laid out this honest

jeffe

DEAR SAEED:
I did not pay attention to yesterday's banner. I do know that I celebrate the two solsticie and the two equanonie because they mark the changing of the seasons. I do not do it because I am a non-christian, but because it is an important time of the year. I am, in fact and practice an Episcopalian.
I do, however, respect the traditions and beliefs of others. This weekend I went to the funeral of a very old and dear friend who was Jewish. I prayed the Jewish prayers and greeted the grieving family with shalom.
You do what you want on your website. I will support you. Anyone who does not like it can post somewhere else. Please keep on as you have been, and thank you for all of the trouble (and occasional abuse) that you take with such equimenity.
Bill Brower
I am not afraid to post my name to this, or any post. I think that we should all post our names if we have a beef about the site, or other posters.

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Way too damn funny! The Christ himself preached tolerence of other religions..

Jeffe,

Not to quibble, but this would be news to me...

Maybe you're referring to his admonition that sinners should refrain from condemning one another, lest they condemn themselves?

Anyway, Merry Christmas!

friar

What a waste of time this is. I have had several pagan/wiccan friends. I've never known of any of them to harm anyone, they were very nice people actually.
They knew that I was a Christian and I knew they were pagan/wiccan whatever. They didn't try to force their views on me and I didnt try to force my views on them either and we got along just fine. So long as someone's religion does not cause harm to me or anyone else, let them be free to believe in what they want to believe in.

Allen I have been giving you the benefit of the doubt in hopes that you were a bigger man than this, but I guess I should of went with my instinct. One of the first posts of yours I remember was how if someone didnt have a $10,000 highly overpriced Mod 70 from D'Arcy that their gun was no good kind of snobbish attitude.
This coming from a Christian has a Pagan/Wiccan/Druid ever caused harm to you, your family, friends, or anyone that you cared about. If so I could understand why this banner would offend you. If not why dont you dig your panties out of your crack and move on. With this kind of attitude I would sure never want to share a hunting camp with you or a dinner table or anything else for that matter.

As far as being politically correct, I am not, never will, be and I dont give a damn.
There are some people on this board in their little groups or whatever you want to call them who would Agree with one another no matter what. For example one could say how they think it is good to eat shit and their little buddies would agree with them no matter how groce it really is to eat shit.
On this very thread you can see examples of that and they know who they are.

JBabcock, yes it will be Christmas, Saturday will be Christmas Eve and Sunday Christmas day and I am sure that Don will have a banner up for us also.

It doesnt bother me that Saeed is Muslim and Don is Jewish. Most of the people on here if they didnt tell us where they were from or what their religion was I probably wouldnt even know anyway.

What a waste of time and energy. Grow up people. There is a lot more I would say but I think I will refrain myself.



Merry Christmas

Well I saw the banner and thought:
"Yep, the Jews and the Muslims are conspiring to run the Christians out of town!"

Me thinks Monty Pythons "Life of Brian" is not high up on AD's favourite film list!

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Originally posted by Pete E:
Well I saw the banner and thought:
"Yep, the Jews and the Muslims are conspiring to run the Christians out of town!"

Me thinks Monty Pythons "Life of Brian" is not high up on AD's favourite film list!

Thank God, I am not religious as that International Zionist-Islamist Conspiracy REALLY
scares me and they say The Pope is involved, too???????

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Because if you aren't Roman Catholic (the largest single faith/docrine christian church) then the Pope thinks you are either a heretic or a pagan..
jeffe

And all of the pre Vatican II Catholics think the pope and all of his followers are heretics.

Allen is defending something that is not only important to many, it is extremely sacred. I definately feel that way. Society has eroded something the USA was founded upon. Intolerance has nothing to do with it.

Chuck

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
Allen is defending something that is not only important to many, it is extremely sacred. I definately feel that way. Society has eroded something the USA was founded upon. Intolerance has nothing to do with it.

Chuck

And what of the Muslims, Buddist, Jews, Hindus (in one country, the hindu's out-number all christans in the world) and well, pagans?

this may have changed, but in my history classes, i was taught that America was founded on FREEDOM of religion, a secular state. As the first settlers here were outside the veil in their home countries. ..

That he's feeling that way personally... great...

that he's feeling that he can impose his religous beliefs on ANYONE is bogus.

Doc,
Constantine was the first Pope, for the record, the pontif. The Pope in Rome today sits on the Sol Evictus throne, which was constantine's chair as head of the Sol cult, before he changed to Christianity. He gave a building called "the basilica" as the first offically sanctioned "legal" church. Diocetion, Constantine's immediate predecessor, was one of the worst for "prosecuting" followers of the christian faith.

When Constantine took the imperial seat to Constantinopol, the highest bishop assumed moral authority in Rome.

Later, during the armed support of some norman mercenaries, the pope declared himself the supreme pontif, the vicar of the world. This lead to mutual excomunications.

So, at one point, all christians and their decendants, were declared heretics!!! And the only thing worse, in the cathilic mind of the time, than a pagan (one who doesn't know God) was the heretic (one who is, for whatever reason, removed from God's grace)

Vatican II is actually the "anti-popes" or the avegione (sp) popes, where there was a schism and there was a pope sitting in france, Rome, and Constantinopol.

Sorry for the lecture... I am about 5 months away from finishing my history degree (how many decades can it actually take to finish a degree?) and I have spent quite a bit of time and effort, from hobby to academics to sunday school and life, studying religion.

jeffe

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
Allen is defending something that is not only important to many, it is extremely sacred. I definately feel that way. Society has eroded something the USA was founded upon. Intolerance has nothing to do with it.

Chuck

Bullshit. If Allen left because of that banner, he's really got a problem. He was lookin' for a way out and that was the best he could do on such short notice. Weak, really weak.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

Doc,
Constantine was the first Pope, for the record, the pontif. The Pope in Rome today sits on the Sol Evictus throne, which was constantine's chair as head of the Sol cult, before he changed to Christianity. He gave a building called "the basilica" as the first offically sanctioned "legal" church. Diocetion, Constantine's immediate predecessor, was one of the worst for "prosecuting" followers of the christian faith.

When Constantine took the imperial seat to Constantinopol, the highest bishop assumed moral authority in Rome.

Later, during the armed support of some norman mercenaries, the pope declared himself the supreme pontif, the vicar of the world. This lead to mutual excomunications.

So, at one point, all christians and their decendants, were declared heretics!!! And the only thing worse, in the cathilic mind of the time, than a pagan (one who doesn't know God) was the heretic (one who is, for whatever reason, removed from God's grace)

Vatican II is actually the "anti-popes" or the avegione (sp) popes, where there was a schism and there was a pope sitting in france, Rome, and Constantinopol.

Sorry for the lecture... I am about 5 months away from finishing my history degree (how many decades can it actually take to finish a degree?) and I have spent quite a bit of time and effort, from hobby to academics to sunday school and life, studying religion.

jeffe

No lecture here, you're preaching to the choir. Nevertheless, the Traditional Catholics think of the Vatican II members as heretics. Wasn't it the pope who expelled on his death bed, "I have opened the windows to the church, and the smoke of the devil has come in," back in the 60's?? You know, when the Catholics became more "dynamic" and "liberal?"

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Allen is defending something that is not only important to many, it is extremely sacred. I definately feel that way. Society has eroded something the USA was founded upon. Intolerance has nothing to do with it.

I agree! A very "high caliber" man!

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DEAR SAEED:
I did not pay attention to yesterday's banner. I do know that I celebrate the two solsticie and the two equanonie because they mark the changing of the seasons. I do not do it because I am a non-christian, but because it is an important time of the year. I am, in fact and practice an Episcopalian.

You do what you want on your website. I will support you. Anyone who does not like it can post somewhere else. Please keep on as you have been, and thank you for all of the trouble (and occasional abuse) that you take with such equimenity.
Bill Brower
I am not afraid to post my name to this, or any post. I think that we should all post our names if we have a beef about the site, or other posters.

(Ass kisser)

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
that he's feeling that he can impose his religous beliefs on ANYONE is bogus.

Oh Good Grief.......

Jeffe, I'm proud of your dedication to your education, but you just invented a position for Allen out of thin air........and developed a 200 word soliloquy contradicting your own invention!

By what logic do you extract "imposing his religeous beliefs" from the inaugral post in this thread?

I've likely had as many diagreements with Allen on subjects of guns and hunting as many on this forum. He's opinionated, and his wealth of hunting experiences and gun ownership frequently make his posts sound a bit pompous. That certainly doesn't make him an isolated example by any stretch. Nor does it disqualify his posts from being a worthwhile read at times.

DRG placed the page heading there for precisely the reason that this thread has been generated. To pimp and tweak the readership. Allen over-reacted. Big deal. His life will likely not be better because he isn't interacting with this forum......and the forum likely won't be better because he's gone.

But the issue is hardly worthy of a crucifixion or a witch hunt.

There......covered both of those bases.

GV

i say stop the banners all together...if you dont know what holiday it is it dont matter. and a.r. can be about hunting, shooting, reloading, sharing stories and bashing eachothers politics again which made it great to begin with. have any of you shot your guns this week, reloaded, hunted? i will this weekend and i hope the same for you

Thanks for the laughs guys--Most entertaining.
I'm a little late here, been out celebrating Saturnalia. HA!

Wassail & Gods Bless!!

Amen to that, Boom Stick, now pass the Damn Ammunition and lets get back to Hunting and Shooting.

I don't care to much about all this, I'm just glad its finally here. I've been working nights this shift and with only 3 hours and 42 minutes of daylight, I haven't seen the sun in two weeks.

JD

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Originally posted by boom stick:
i say stop the banners all together...

Yea, me too. Why not just have a photo of the week or something, someone's kill or hunt area, or a newly finished rifle. The banners do not bother me, heck, the only time I read them is when a thread like this starts!

In the interest of security perhaps we should deactivate allen day's id and block his ip address

Naaaaah, I now say keep the posters. And it will be up to Don to determine ever more ingenious ones. ie, Nat'l Rat Day (if there is one) And we could send him suggestions to help him out since he has too much time.

Well, I laughed out loud this am when I opened AR... seems like Don has had his revenge with all these obnoxious colors

Merry Christmas!

Jeez!

I hesitate to add any comment but some how I am compelled beyond my ability to say no.

Nothing in the US Constitution applies to this site or any member (not acting as an agent, in his official capacity, of the US or any of the 50 US states). Not one word. The Constitution merely grants or limits government power.

Religeon is a good thing. While I am Catholic, I admire those who are believers in their religeon. I don't need to agree with their faith to admire them or wish them a Merry Christmas, my religeous holiday, or a Happy Hannuka, perhaps theirs, Happy Rahmadan(sp?)...I am not offended when wished a Happy...that is their hiliday and not mine.

I really don't believe it is for us to judge each other based on religeon. That is for later when we are before the Lord. I fully believe that the Lord will see all believers in a favorable light, no matter their religeon. I believe the Lord will be good to good men, no matter what.

We can see the illogical extreme of judging others based on their religeous beliefs in the acts of Osama Bin Laden and his ilk, Hitler, et al.

On Bush's use of the NSA, I merely point out a few things. First, nothing in the Constitution limits the Gov't or in particular, the President from gathering foreign inteligence, war time or peace time, any time. Their are some laws, I am informed, that apply limits on methods, but they are not aplicable. When one end of the conversation or email...is out of the US, its foreign inteligence.

Second, even if you were to disagree with the above premise, the Constitution protects against only "unreasonable" searches and seizures. If one end of your conversation is out of the US I contend that any expectation of privacy, a core requirement in the test of "unreasonable", is lost for a whole bunch of reasons. One, for example, is access to your transmission by other foreign Gov'ts which are not limited by our Constitution or the forein phone company ect. Another fatal flaw would be, in my view, the mere fact that you are speaking with a foreign agent, who is on foreign soil, in time of war, declared or not; seems a reasonable search to me.

I could go on but time is limited and the judicial history, which generally supports the President is long.

Just one quote sums up my take on the over riding philosophy that the Supreme Court has stuck with in this area, were it covered by the Constitution, which I think is doubtful. I'll paraphrse it here from, I believe, Justice Jackson, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact"

Nothing in the Patriot Act before Congress has been ruled by the SC a violation of the Constitution. You can argue that its a bad law based on a bad idea; that it imposes on personal liberties that have rarely been imposed upon in our history, that it is uneccessary. But to say that it violates civil liberties, or the Constitution is just inacurate or at best, not yet determined by the SC. The Act merely excercises powers granted by the Consitution to the Fed Gov't that here-to-fore not been excercised, so far that is a fact of law. If you disagree with the Act, fight it in Congress, no issue there. Fight it in the Courts, no issue there. But at least be thruthful and foot note your declarative, "Its a violation of..." with, "but has been upheld in the courts" and, "so my objections are based on my opinion, not withstanding the above"

Merry Christmas to all! Happy Holidays to all as well!

JPK

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Originally posted by Doc:

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Originally posted by boom stick:
i say stop the banners all together...

Yea, me too. Why not just have a photo of the week or something, someone's kill or hunt area, or a newly finished rifle. The banners do not bother me, heck, the only time I read them is when a thread like this starts!

great idea...all in favor say uga-uga! to the sun god

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Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
Allen is defending something that is not only important to many, it is extremely sacred. I definately feel that way. Society has eroded something the USA was founded upon. Intolerance has nothing to do with it.

Chuck

Chuck, society has not eroded a thing. The founding fathers wanted everyone to be able to celebrate their religion. My banner did not deny anyone that right. While I personally prefer to wish people Merry Christmas, Walmart's Happy Holidays Sign does not deny a single person any rights.

Get over it, Jews, Muslims, atheists and yes even Pagans are citizens too.

Don

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Get over it, Jews, Muslims, atheists and yes even Pagans are citizens too

The big question is....

WHO IS RIGHT??

how about live and let live. love, not hate. do to others as you would like for yourself not whoever feels they are right has the right to do whatever they want because they are "right"

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Get over it, Jews, Muslims, atheists and yes even Pagans are citizens too

The big question is....

WHO IS RIGHT??

Saeed:



Don

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Get over it, Jews, Muslims, atheists and yes even Pagans are citizens too

The big question is....

WHO IS RIGHT??

Saeed, if I had the answer to that question, I could probably rule the world. Maybe we all are, hell, I don't know.

I've stayed out of this donnybrook so far, and while I have to respect AD's hunting and shooting experience, I don't necessarily respect the manner in which he gives it. Someone made the comment about AD's Echols M70 custom rifles and how AD thinks they literally walk on water. Me? I think it's the M98 mausers, and to paraphrase from a skit from Saturday Night Live, "If it's not a Mauser, it's crap!" We all have choices.
I'm a Christian. I belong to no organized church. Years ago, I got totally disgusted with the hypocracy shown by the various "religions".
I once sat in on a church meeting as when it was over, I was supposed to go bird hunting (chukars) afterwards with one of the elders. They were "voting" on whether or not to let a single mother become a member of their church. The woman was a widow, her husband killed in a car crash.In that small country town, the only job she could find was as a cocktail waitress. The good elders of the church refused to allow her to be a member of the church. They would allow her to join if she could find some other line of work. BULLSHIT! All I will state at this point is I blew up like a nuclear device. When riled, it has been said I could out cuss a Marine drill sargeant. I sure proved it that day. Neither I, nor any member of my family ever attended that church again.

Anyway, if AD is reading any of these comments, I'm sorry to see you go. You made for some interesting reading, even when I disagreed with you.
Paul B.

Allen,

I did not read the whole thread, but my take on the winter solstace was not a religious one, but:

According to http://www.pontiac.com, the 2006 Solstice is "a pure roadster where every line, every curve is shaped by pure desire." The five-speed convertible's base price is $20,490.

OR:
In the northern hemisphere, the Winter solstice is day of the year (near December 22) when the Sun is farthest south. The winter solstice marks the first day of the season of winter. The declination of the Sun on the (northern) winter solstice is known as the tropic of capricorn (-23° 27'). The winter solstice is the shortest day of the year, respectively, in the sense that the length of time elapsed between sunrise and sunset on this day is a minimum for the year.

I do not believe in discussing religious beliefs over the net, but if it was meant as one, maybe a joke, I do believe in freedom of religion, expression etc. as long as no malice is intended upon others who may believe differently. We all should respect each others beliefs or at the least, share a mutual understanding for each others passion about guns, hunting and nature.

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Well, I laughed out loud this am when I opened AR... seems like Don has had his revenge with all these obnoxious colors

Merry Christmas!

Bravo!!!!!!! Best laugh I've had in a while.

Merry Christmas everyone. And prayers for peace and goodwill to ALL men.

Jeff

To each his own!