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Wanted, a few mercenaries for a job in justice. Low pay but very rewarding! Please contact me here. Now in seriousness. I am no lawyer but I would like to make an observation. Just from this thread alone we have 4 or 5 examples of this outfitter having problems like this. To me that shows a pattern of behaviour and that in turn shows intent in my mind. I woud think any good lawyer should be able to run with that. I am sure that given this short history of bad behaviour there are many more who have been screwed by this guy out there. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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No one from Blair's company has ever contacted me, but I wish they would now so that I could join in on the fun and give them a piece of my mind! What a terrible incident and a sorry excuse for company. Hope it works out for you and your family. | |||
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I got the spam email from Blair again this past weekend. I did as I all ways do and deleted it. Wish I would have sent a reply back asking about all of this, maybe that would have gotten me off their list. Good Hunting, | |||
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There has been no response to my email as of yet. I will give it until tomorrow evening and I will forward this link and my email to Blair to everybody on my contact list and would encourage everybody else to do the same. In my email I will encourage every recipient to forward it as well. This industry has no room for people that operate this way | |||
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I found a website to search court cases in Arizona. It, for some reason, only reflects 153 of 180 courts in the state. I found no litigation involving Heathington or Sheep Unlimited. There was a old case involving Blair. | |||
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Here's what I found on 24hourcampfire.com: It's showing another person that Blair Cc'd that has information about this event. Anyone know who this might be and why he is being CC'd? Is that his lawyer?
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Skip is a well known attorney in AZ. Stands to reason that he may represent Blair. | |||
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Well, if you now do a search on "Jeff Blair Hunting" on Google a thread on 24 hour campfire comes up. Saeed, you have got to figure out why thread content on AR doesn't show up on Google searches! Blair's actions are going to cost him far more than what he ripped off here. I am also a little disappointed John Barsness couldn't manage to castigate Blair, instead saying we should all buy trip insurance. Come on John! At the end of the day, Heathington is going to end his life being known as a complete scumbag. | |||
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I must say I am looking forward to my next Blair solicitation call | |||
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Look below- this is what I found on another site- Blair seems to have hired a powerful and alledged former SCI bigwig attorney who represented a major Mob Boss crime family!!
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The fact that he hired a criminal lawyer says something. | |||
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Hmmmm....that's actually a very interesting observation. I wonder if it means something that we're not seeing here? | |||
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Skip Donau must be thrilled that his email is all over the internet. Now every nutcase on the planet will be signing him up for free porn, stupid marketing stuff,etc. | |||
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Or bullshit hunting offers. | |||
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Sorry for my lapse of a response--have had computer problems. Thanks to all of you for your comments and support. I, too, wish Jeff Blair would come on line and defend why he charged innocent young men a $10,000 up-front charge on a desert sheep hunt. Also--to not refund this plus his commission as the hunt went south is nothing short of criminal. I would additionally like to see his version of our brief conversation at Grand Slam/Ovis with his comment of "Bring it on!" We gave Jeff Blair every chance in the world for 14 months to make this right. All we have ever asked of him is to refund his commission and his $10,000 up-front add on. | |||
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Do you all have any idea why he copied a prominent criminal defense attorney in on the response he sent to another poster? Do you know if any criminal charges have been filed against Blair? | |||
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Northface: Is it a fact that he got a commission and $10,000? Have you been submitted anything to the authorities ? Have you in fact sued Heathington and/or his company? If so, would you please provide us the state and county? | |||
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Larry - From talking to these guy myself, I think Blair got the $10,000 as an additional charge he added himself (original hunt price = $60,000). Plus, he likely got 10-12% commission on the $60,000. That would be roughly the going rate on a Desert Sheep hunt. I booked a Mexico-Desert hunt 3 weeks ago, and received 12% comms. So, likely Blair got in the neighborhood of $16,000 - $18,000, if all the rest went to Heathington? | |||
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The $10,000 add on is enough to make him a douchebag. The rest just confirms it | |||
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Does AZ require guides to have a license or can just anyone be a guide? | |||
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larryshores: It is a fact that Blair got the commission. It is also a fact that Larry Heathingtons sheep hunts were selling for $60,000 at the time. My kids did not know what sheep hunts were selling for and they put full faith and trust in Blair. We did submit information to the Arizona Attorney General but nothing came of it. We have a judgement against Larry Heathington filed in Flagstaff, AZ. We have not at this point filed any charges against Blair. This still may be coming in the future. | |||
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Northface, When I spoke with Mr. Blair, he mentioned all of the cancelled checks were made available to you. Is this true? If so, it would be easy enough to trace the money. Another thought for you - if you were to sue Mr. Blair I am sure there are many here who would contribute to the legal fund. You may sign me up for the first $300 Corrupt and greedy individuals -who prey on the optimistic nature of hunters- screw me into the ceiling. Please let me know if I can help. Best of luck to you "You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world" - J Joplin | |||
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Correction--Have not dealt with attorneys much so don't know the exact sequence. We do not have a judgement at this point. We do have a default and the judgement motion is in the process of being carried out. Also--the cancelled checks were made available to our attorney. However, the amounts were not traceable due to the fact that Blair lumped several client's checks together when Heathington was paid. | |||
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Just for curiosity, is anyone besides me receiving PMs relating to this topic from a new member with no posts (and no name attached to PMs) called HorsesnHounds? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Gentlemen: I have found 6 different lawsuits in which Lawrence Lester Heathington is a defendant in AZ. I only have my I pad with me. I will try and get them tomorrow. If they are interesting, I will see if I can post them. | |||
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I was not totally correct. These aren't lawsuits only. One was a criminal matter. One was a divorce, which is a lawsuit of sorts. I am fairly certain I found the lawsuit in question . | |||
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This posting is in response to the allegations which have been lodged incorrectly against Blair Worldwide Hunting on this forum and others. Dr. Brent Henriksen and his brother, Mr. Tyler Henriksen purchased a desert bighorn sheep hunt on December 11, 2008, as a Christmas present for their father, Lonnie Henriksen. The Henriksen sons had been searching the internet for sheep hunts and a friend of their fathers referred them to Blair WorldWide. Lonnie had booked hunts with Blair WorldWide Hunting in the past. The contract provided that Lonnie Henriksen had a choice of outfitters from which to choose. It was determined by Lonnie Henriksen that he would hunt desert bighorn sheep, coues deer and bring his wife as a non-hunter with Sheep LTD, owned by Larry Heathington, who at the time, had an excellent reputation as a sheep hunter and guide and had guided many of the Governor’s tags for sheep. As the booking agent, Blair WorldWide Hunting, pursuant to the requirements of the contract, sent the vast majority of the money Larry Heathington, who was the contracted hunter with Sheep LTD. Blair WorldWide, as a booking agent, is in a similar position to a travel agent that books travel on an airline or a cruise ship. When a ticket is purchased, the majority of the money goes to the airline or the cruise line and the booking agent retains a commission fee. It is the responsibility of the airline or the cruise ship to provide the services. In this instance, it was the responsibility, and remains the responsibility of Larry Heathington, to provide the sheep hunts which were the subject of the contract. At the time the contract was entered into, the Henriksen’s were advised by Blair WorldWide, through the contract and via a trip insurance brochure, to buy trip insurance in the event that there was a problem with the hunt. The Henriksen’s chose not to do so. The fact that the majority of the Henriksens’ money was forwarded to Larry Heathington has been established conclusively by providing the Henriksen’s, and their attorney with copies of the cancelled checks from Blair WorldWide to Larry Heathington. After the hunt was booked, Lonnie Henriksen and Larry Heathington spoke at length, several times before the contracted start of the hunt. After the original hunt date of January 2010 did not occur, conversations between Mr. Henriksen and Mr. Heathington continued well into March 2010 in regards to the new dates and location of the desert big horn sheep hunt. For reasons which were not entirely clear to Blair WorldWide at the time, or to anyone for that matter, Larry Heathington has reneged on his promise to conduct, not only the Henriksen hunt, but other clients hunts as well. It was later disclosed by Mr. Heathington and Sheep LTD that he did not conduct the hunts contracted for due to health issues (See Sheep LTD’s website). The bottom line is that the dispute is properly between the Henriksen’s and Mr. Heathington, the outfitter. Blair WorldWide did take extra steps in attempting to help the Henriksen’s recovery their money even though Blair WorldWide, as a booking agent, has no obligation both contractually or ethically to do so. Blair WorldWide contacted Mr. Heathington on several occasions and strongly urged him to return the monies for the clients who did not receive their contracted hunts. When those attempts failed, Blair WorldWide consistently assisted the Henriksen’s attorney in attempting to recover the money paid to Mr. Heathington through a civil lawsuit. In short, Blair WorldWide has done everything required of it, both legally and ethically, to assist not only the Henriksen’s, but also other clients, who contracted with Sheep LTD. Blair WorldWide sincerely wishes that, not only Mr. Heathington and Sheep LTD, but all outfitters would provide the services that they contract for. However, in the real world, such is not always the case. Blair WorldWide has taken significant care to ensure that outfitters with whom clients are contracted provide good and legitimate services. Despite such care, every once in a while, an outfitter for a variety of reasons fails to perform. This is why trip insurance is recommended for all hunting and fishing trips booked. It is always clearly stated in all of Blair WorldWide contracts that the services contracted for are the sole and exclusive responsibility of the outfitter. Blair WorldWide sincerely hopes that the Henriksen’s recover their money from the person who possesses it -- That is Larry Heathington. Any allegations that Blair WorldWide, in any fashion, deprived the Henriksen’s or any other party of their money improperly, illegally, or unethically, is simply untrue. The Henriksen’s have retained counsel to attempt to recover their money from Mr. Heathington and Sheep LTD. The Henriksen’s have not, and cannot, legally claim that Blair WorldWide has withheld any of the funds owed to them by Mr. Heathington. In sum, despite the unwarranted allegations to the contrary, Blair WorldWide acted at all times in an honest, professional, and ethical manner and any allegations to the contrary are not true http://www.blairworldwide.com/.../SHEEPLTDWEBPAGE.htm | |||
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for posterity "You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world" - J Joplin | |||
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I personally don't doubt a word you say, Jeff Blair. But I have to tell you, your actions are not going to do anything but cause you to lose business. As for your characterization that you acted professionally and ethically... well guess what? You only have one vote. So do the rest of us. It is marketing 101: the customer is always right. People pay you to do due diligence. You failed. Big time. Let me give you an example of what one booking agent did for me once. I shot a nice buffalo. Got the wrong one in my shipment (it was only 33 inches wide). This booking agent asked what he could do to make things right. Well, my taxidermist took my biggest unmounted buff skull and modified to look exactly like my big one. The booking agent paid for this. It is obvious to me and the rest of the world that you would have never done this. There is another agent who posts here quite a bit. He had a similar thing happen. He paid 28K out of his pocket to make things right. It is obvious to me and the rest of the world that you would have never done this. Why don't you at least refund the commission? If I treated my customers like you treated yours, I couldn't sleep at night. And even if I could, would I stay in business? You have lost far more than the 70K these guys paid for the hunt. On this site, there is usually one or two people that defend the person in question. The fact that no one has done so here only amplifies the fact any fan club you had is rapidly dwindling. I will not change my signature line. This thread may die off, but a few of us will be there forever to remind folks what a sham you are. PS: I love what comes up now when you Google your name and hunting. Have fun with that one! | |||
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So, you dont feel that you should return your commission plus the additional $10,000 you tacked on because your not contractually obligated to do so? What about the fact that they got hosed because of your recommendation? Larry Heathington was having issues even before you took the second payment. This is what gets me...
In my opinion you havent been professional or ethical in this matter. An ethical person would not tack on an extra $10,000 and an ethical person would absolutely, without hesitation, return any money they pocketed from this cluster f^$% you booked for these people. Legally, you might be in the clear, I dont know nor do I care. From a rational persons perspective your an asshole. I am glad that you responded. I have saved your response and look forward to sharing it with every single client of mine now and in the future | |||
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I won't go into the legal argument even though it looks like there are at least issues of due diligence. But to claim that this is ethical behavior? Not by my sense of ethics. And this is really a poor business decision. Spend your life wisely. | |||
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When a person books through an agency for airline tickets or theater tickets or cruise tickets, if the service isn't provided, either through the vendor or the agency the person gets ALL of their money back. Not less a booking fee, etc. If you are operating an ethical business, you would know that the agency's cut comes from the provider. It's not "tacked on" or seperate. Aim for the exit hole | |||
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I'd have to say, Mr. Blair, your are not doing the right thing. I'm VERY small time as far as a booking agent and I don't condone the path you take. I've been there, had an African outfitter run off with a large deposit. I was more than embarrassed. In fact I was mortified as I had worked with the PH for five years. The Fugger turned out to have a Heroin issue. Yep, pretty bad when you think you know someone... Needless, I returned all of the money to my client (who is a long time AR member) out of my own slim pocket. Even though he was happy (and never booked another hunt from me) I could sleep at night. People with true medical issues don't do what your outfitter did. Those with drug or alcohol problems DO. I think you know that. One must do what is right. Just the difference between me and you, I guess... ~Ann | |||
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Mr. Blair For you to even suggest you behaved in an "honest, professional, and ethical manner" suggests you do not know the meaning of those words. This industry, and most of my life, is built on handshake trust. Just because you can point to a document does not make what you did right. I am personally offended that you can take the money and run, without the slightest regard to the position you put your clients in. So keep justifying this thievery any way you want. If you decide to do the right thing and refund your "commission" and the surcharge you tacked on, you might come off a hero and not a ZERO. Jeff Blair, you suck. PS - $70,000? - HEY WORLD, SONORA BIG HORNS CAN BE HAD FOR LESS THAN $35,000. Just ask me or Wade Derby. "You only gotta do one thing well to make it in this world" - J Joplin | |||
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