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Dude, you're so far from understanding the African Culture (Political Culture), that no amount of explaining it to you, will change that.

You don't give a damn about african culture. You want to control hunters and what lions they kill. You don't give a damn what lions the africans kill and they kill more than the sport hunters do.

You think I'm the one who's avoiding the fight?? Well please my friend, either get in the game or keep standing on the sidelines, what's it gonna be?

If talking to you about real issues that threaten lion huntings future is just standing on the sidelines then that means you are just sitting on the sidelines too.

First off, if you really understood how much the preservation of lion hunting and all African hunting is the fight, and is how WE can deal with the REAL issue, you would understand what the issue really is.

Funny you have spoke of this mythical "real" issue here but you never define it.

Do you not find it a bit odd, that everyone else disagrees with you?
Five people, one who talked shit about a person simply because he is a relative of mine, one who sells 4 lion hunts for every 1 lion he has on quota, a guy who thinks volunteering time to SCI and Du makes him more of a conservationist than me, the leader of the LCTF who doesn't want to take on any other issues besides what he deams as bad lion sport hunters, and one guy who's only post was to talk shit. And not one of them has been able to answer my questions.

The ones that have been fighting and working on this issue, the ones that have studied and understand the science, the ones that have spent years in the field studying, hunting and observing the lion, the ones that have PHD's, the ones that have used that education/field experience to develop sound scientific data refutting your arm-chair quarterback opinion, etc, etc. Everyone I know, all the scientists, hunters, PH's, and concerned citizens who have looked at, reviewed and understand the issues ALL agree. But according to you, we are ALL wrong? The science is wrong, the way we deal with the problems are wrong, our position on the political issues are wrong, were just WRONG! Or could it be, just possibly, that you're WRONG??

Right and Wrong???? You think childish judgement is how this is defined??? Go look at hunting areas that have had well managed quotas that are not corrupted and see their lion population. They have shot young lions, old lions, lioness and it has remained sustainable. Why won't you acknowledge that? Why aren't any scientists studying that? I am not in a battle over right and wrong, I am in a battle to tell people to look at a big picture and real issues and quit having a battle dictated to them.

You know Ben, one thing I learned along time ago is this. The person who thinks he knows it ALL, is only showing everyone just how little he actually knows. But, it can be hard to recognize when everyone else really is "SMARTER THAN U"!!

Now you are just being a smart ass, and that won't help anyone.

I'm headed to the gym now, my frustration level with you is through room. I'm sure you'll tell me how I should be working out too. But since I spent years as an amateur body-builder, I think I've got that one figured out. But your welcome to throw in your $0.02 opinion!

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jesus, I did not think we had to convince the hunters that poisoning lions was a bad thing.I still do not. I unlike you think they are smart enough to know that is something that we will deal with as best we can by trying to get the people using it to stop.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Now you are just being a smart ass, and that won't help anyone.

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I never said I was a bigger conservationist than you. YOU said you were bigger than me. Read the post. you wanted to BET me. Man you are so far wrong you are starting to make shit up totally. Why would I tell you our plan. Based on your post I am not quite sure you are who you say you are.

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Well it looks like the whole darn thing has melted down into insanity.

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I never said I was a bigger conservationist than you. YOU said you were bigger than me. Read the post.

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you interpretated that as the bigger conservationist not me. I never used those words you did. You can't admit you are wrong when it is obvious that you made a mistake.

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Well it looks like the whole darn thing has melted down into insanity.

imagine if you were the poor horse laying on Layne's table with its guts hanging out, waiting for him to come back from bs'ing on AR.