For those that are interested in learning rather than arguing, the following link explains the core of the problem with shooting young lions EVEN IF there is a strict quota and no corruption.

I'm sure smarterthanu will find it's all wrong and full of BS by the Anti's.

impact of trophy hunting younger males

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Are you Bwanna?? Did I accuse you of selling hunts over quota????? Do you know how to read????

How is it BS? Go back and read what Bwana said, and wash the sand out of your vagina.

Slow down, go and read what Bwana wrote. Better yet let me quote him.[/color]
So if you have a quota of 1 lion (which would probably be what is required!) and you shoot it on the 1st hunt and the next 3 hunters along do see a >6 lion on their trip but are not allowed to shoot it because your quota is done, is that desirable?

What are people supposed to assume from this quote??? There is one lion on quota but Bwanna says he has 4 lion hunters.

Don't put your words into my mouth. If you are too stupid to understand what I was writing in the context of this discussion, please bow out of this thread.

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Don't put your words into my mouth. If you are too stupid to understand what I was writing in the context of this discussion, please bow out of this thread.

No one put words in your mouth, the man literaly quoted you, they were your words EXACTLY!!

Hey Bwana, instead of calling someone "stupid" and telling them to leave after they QUOTE you, why don't you clarify what you said. I read the post in context and took from it the same thing. You offered a situation where you had 1 lion tag and sold 4 lion hunts, the 1st hunter shot a good lion and the following 3 saw good lion but you would not let them shoot because the 1 tag had been filled and you were "adhering to the quota".
I took it that you were suggesting quotas could be lifted and you could shoot and financially benefit from shooting as many 6yr old lion as you see. Rather than screwing the last 3 hunters you sold hunts to when you only had 1 tag? Please inform me what I misunderstood.

Ben is suggesting that strict quotas, irrespective of age, is the answer to the problem.

if you set a strict quota, it will probably be 2-3 lions max. If an area actually contains 8 lions then you are not fully maximizing the resource potential. You could/should be offering 8 lion hunts, generating more revenue for conservation and more benefit to communities, etc, etc.


So every >6 yo lion seen and not hunted is a lost opportunity.

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So every >6 yo lion seen and not hunted is a lost opportunity.

Are you stating that every lion that is 6+ should be hunted and harvested if possible?

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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
For those that are interested in learning rather than arguing, the following link explains the core of the problem with shooting young lions EVEN IF there is a strict quota and no corruption.

impact of trophy hunting younger males

Bwana - You mean to tell me, that you have science/evidence, to go along with years of personal experience to back up your claims? No way, who would ever have thought of such a concept?

I appreciate your continued efforts with this thread, but I finally had to step away before I said something I would regret, or isn't appropriate for a public forum. Your years of experience and dedication to the lion is obvious. Those who have neither, have also been exposed here as well. One thing I learned years ago, "You can't fix Stupid", period!

I sincerely appreciate all your efforts on behalf of the lion, and trust me, many others do too. Including the Lion!!

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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So every >6 yo lion seen and not hunted is a lost opportunity.

Are you stating that every lion that is 6+ should be hunted and harvested if possible?

I thought you could read?
Go on, tell me why not.............

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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So every >6 yo lion seen and not hunted is a lost opportunity.

Are you stating that every lion that is 6+ should be hunted and harvested if possible?

Brad - Careful again with the wording! Not that every 6 yr old SHOULD/MUST be hunted. However, once one understands the science behind it, one will also understand that 6 yr old plus lions can be hunted without negative impact to the lion dynamics in a given area.

A fact lost on some PH/outfitters, that could have worked towards the elimination of quotas for lion, along time ago. If outfitters WOULD self-regulate themselves to only shooting > 6yr olds, a lion quota would be irrelevant and un-necessary.

In Brief...No

The lions that rate no's 1-4 in recent submissions to SCI were all five year old canned lions from Zim

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I thought you could read?
Go on, tell me why not.............

why not what? I am not telling you anthing, I am asking you a question, please answer.

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In Brief...No

The lions that rate no's 1-4 in recent submissions to SCI were all five year old canned lions from Zim

Ganyana, pardon my density, please explain your post.

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Originally posted by smarterthanu:
Aaron said: You obviously know more than Dr. Easter about the science of animals, even though he's a large animal VET who specializes in that sort of stuff.

I don't argue horses with him. He doesn't make his living working with lions. Vet medicine has nothing to do with wild lion management and behavior unless maybe a disease occurs and a vet is brought in to study it. As best I can tell this is not the case here.

Yes...I too can see that a thread entitled Lion Skull Size vs. Lion Age!...has NOTHING to do with veterinary medicine...not to mention the reproductive physiology we have discussed. Yep...you are smarterthan...well uh...give me some time here bound to be some one.

My $0.02 for the 4th weekend.

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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:

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In Brief...No

The lions that rate no's 1-4 in recent submissions to SCI were all five year old canned lions from Zim

Ganyana, pardon my density, please explain your post.

Ya me too. Ganyana, you totally lost me on this one! What exactly are you referring to?

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Yes...I too can see that a thread entitled Lion Skull Size vs. Lion Age!...has NOTHING to do with veterinary medicine...not to mention the reproductive physiology we have discussed. Yep...you are smarterthan...well uh...give me some time here bound to be some one.

My $0.02 for the 4th weekend.

J. Lane Easter, DVM
DRSS
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"Lion Conservation" huh? You're a joke.