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Originally posted by 505 gibbs:
this has turned into a terrific thread.


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505,

Now I understand why I see you and STU on so many threads all over the AR forums stirring up shit and playing the devil's advocate.

You two brothers are just like a couple older nomad lions with out a pride...just wondering around stirring up shit. I have watched y'all on many a thread.



Dang, I go to work for a couple of hours and come back and realize I missed all the fun.
Lane,
Pardon me for being blunt, but your statement above is chickenshit.

Speaking the truth ain't chickenshit.

I posted my statement in complete honesty. The little guy eating popcorn was put up because I looked forward to coming back and reading ALL sides of this debate. This had and has remained an excellent thread. Tremendous points have been made by some, and some foolishness has been spewed by others. I have seen where STU has fallen into some of the same traps he has accused others of and consequently am suspect of that data. You on the other hand, have yet to make a logical arguement in my opinion.

Sir, I am one of the most logical people that walks on the Earth. All I do all day in my business is advise people on logical approaches to maintaining sound athletic horses. If you think I am illogical you may want to explore the logic in your own decision making.

Your posts are laden with emotion and personal offense and do not further the cause of the LCTF or the lion for that matter.

For the life of me...I do not see it your way here. And I am not really looking for your approval. If you don't like me...work with Aaron...if you don't like either...I guess we can't bring you on board.

It is easy to say that killing young lions is bad, but anyone with any sense and a little experience realizes that the issue is much more complicated than that.

Really it IS just that simple...nothing all that hard about it.

If anyone wants to have an honest discussion about lion hunting and management, they should take the emotion out of it, compile, organize and disseminate masses of factual data, come up with a management quota, adhere to it religiosuly, document and examine the results, adjust the management quota accordingly and get the numbers where they need to be. You present this data to the powers that be and as the old saying goes, "the numbers don't lie". What you and others on these threads are doing is fighting a PR battle riddled with emotion.

You and your brother express as much emotion as any 2 posters I have ever seen on AR.

Those battles are ALWAYS "no win" situations for those in the right (which I believe your cause is) because the facts are never considered. You and the others freaking out everytime a pic of a "young" lion shows up and starting a multi-page tirade about how fucked up recent lion hunting is, does nothing positive for hunting or lions. One of the signs of a true zealot is when one refuses to concede that a point of view from any other angle could be valid. I would challenge you to give me an example in history where zealotry has ended in anything other than defeat.

Here my friend is classic example of your emotion and zealotry. How much more emotion and opinion can on inject into a paragraph than the above???

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you are a genius so shoot the shit out of the them post them on AR and speed up the process to eliminate hunting lions. I do give UP you are SMARTER THAN ANYONE

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Whether a 3 year old lion is killed or not is a drop in the bucket to the thousands that get slaughtered because the uneducated masses of africa place no value on them, and that is the problem that needs to be adressed and fought.

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For the life of me...I do not see it your way here. And I am not really looking for your approval. If you don't like me...work with Aaron...if you don't like either...I guess we can't bring you on board.

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But before you can go throwing stones...you have to make sure your home is NOT of glass.

That my friend is all we are trying to do. I can tell you for sure that before we (LCTF) started...no one, besides Mr. Jackson, was fighting and we were losing the battle.

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you are a genius so shoot the shit out of the them post them on AR and speed up the process to eliminate hunting lions. I do give UP you are SMARTER THAN ANYONE

gerry,

never give up. This prize is certianly worth fighting for. I just want the people who have decided they are going to represent the hunting comunity to fight the real fight. With real data and kick the hell out of the antis. Don't give into a devicive ploy that will only divide hunting groups and keep CITES and USFWS from having to deal with the truth. Whether a 3 year old lion is killed or not is a drop in the bucket to the thousands that get slaughtered because the uneducated masses of africa place no value on them, and that is the problem that needs to be adressed and fought. Right now we look like rape victims and all the cops want to know is why we dressed like sluts instead of catching the rapist.

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That pretty much summed it up. Who gives a damn about a differing opinion and another hunter but you dance like a puppet for the antis.

Arron I know we have disagreed on things but I always felt I was capable of learning things off of you and feel we can always have discussions based in logic, but your boy here Easter will be like an anchor around the neck of your cause with that crappy attitude. I know I have no business representing people in politics, I am as abrasive as a piece of fifty grit, but Easter is attacking someone just because he is my brother and that is childish logic.

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I assume you have met with Mr. Salazar

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Hunters as a whole stand on an impecable record of conservation. The vast majority of conservation success stories are because of hunters, to defend yourself now would be viewed by the non-hunting community as shame and weakness. When the antis or non-hunters want to argue about whether a young lion got shot you should be visibly insulted. How dare a person attack our record of conservation instead of dealing with the greater issue. Keep those monkeys scrambling on their heals. Ask them how why they aren't spending money protecting lions in agriculture areas. Ask them when the last time they did a mortality study of lions in regions where there is no hunting. Ask them what percentage of their dollars are spent building habitat and preserving prey for lions in non-hunting areas. And when they have no answer at all you can look them in the eye and tell them they have no desire to save a lion but only a desire to gnaw away at men's freedoms.

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Why don't yall post pictures of poisoned lions. Lets start a new thread showing picture of snared and trapped lions. If it just takes a couple of pictures to decide the fate of your hunting tradition, we should start posting poached and poisoned lions by the hundreds. Lets see your pics. Time to show these mo-mos the real face of their lion issue. Lets show them shocking.

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then he is a f!*king idiot

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EVERY SINGLE LION EXPERT AGREES, THE SHOOTING OF YOUNG/IMMATURE LIONS, THOSE UNDER 5, IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE SPECIES. INCLUDING DR. PAULA WHITE, WHO HAS BEEN OPERATING THE ZAMBIAN LION PROJECT FOR 6 - 7 YRS NOW, AND WHO IS MORE PRO-HUNTING THAN ANY NON-HUNTER/SCIENTIST I HAVE EVER MET.

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Another common piece of ground. The LCTF along with Osprey Filming...has plans to do just that...make a small documentery on poaching with real pics.

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But...he is still going to make the call.