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Keep the "moments of glory and moronic ineptitude" for your home movies.

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Originally posted by Bwana Moja:
Outfitters, TV show producers, YouTube purveyors and safari DVD makers Please stop glorifying wounded lion and leopard charges. This does our industry no good. It only reinforces stereotypes held by anti-hunting groups, of senseless killing, animal cruelty and Elmer Fudd doofus hunters. Yes I know they don't like animal killing of any kind, am I'm in the process of meeting with some of the anti-hunting big wigs to find some common ground. I truly believe we both want the same end all result. We just have slightly different methodology of "getting there."

Watching a hunting client gun down a charging lion doesn't serve as a validation of bravery. It indicates he didn't get the job done with the initial round. High-fiving and yucking-it-up to the camera are idiotic after one of these incidents. The proper thing to do is turn to the camera and say, 'I made a mistake and thankfully it didn't cost me my life.' It's a disservice to lion hunting to watch a hunting party pummel a raging cat with bullets and blood flying everywhere. It's disrespectful to your PH, who worked you into position to execute a clean shot. Stop putting these on YouTube! Kamboko Safaris, take it off your home page! It's not good for marketing! Outfitters, it doesn't brand you as an operator who has "tougher than normal lions." It means the person who fired the first shot FAILED at his job. You're not fooling anyone masquerading a screw-up as excitement and a reason to "come hunt with us." For all you new guys especially, take note. Lions can be killed with one properly placed shot and it's customary to execute an insurance shot to kill it some more. Leopards are normally taken with one and only one well-placed shot.

Any PH you talk to will tell you a charging cat, moreso the leopard, is his worst nightmare. If you absolutely must post a wounded cat charge on your website or include it on your DVD/video, how about a compromise with me? Please explain in detail how the hunting sequence got to the point of a charge. Have the bravery to admit that someone executed a poorly placed first shot. Everyone of these wounded cat charges is PREVENTABLE. Atleast try to educate through error. Be brave enough to the hunting community and tell the truth. Otherwise these wounded cat charges do the safari industry and the hunting industry no good.

It's 2010 and everybody, and I mean anybody and everybody can watch it. So please try to get it right. If you're uncertain or just need a second opinion, consult one of the experts like Dave Fulson, Ivan or Buzz, who do this on a regular basis. A videotaped wounded cat charge is one of thee most powerful weapons in the hands of the wrong person. STOP strengthening the arsenal.

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Originally posted by L. David Keith:
Personally, and this is just my humble opinion, I find those jackass hillbilly circle jerks after a kill to be distasteful and degrading not only to my fellow sportsmen and women, but to the honor of the animal itself. While I totally understand the moment of exultation and excitement, think about how this reflects to the general public. I'm with Moja on this one. It's those folks sitting on the fence that we need on our side. We are never going to change the bleeding heart "I hate hunting" crowd. These poor saps pour millions and millions of dollars into the till every time the Telly runs a Infomercial showing pitiful kitty cats and puppy dogs. They give more money to these liars than all the Save the Children funds in existence. So, it's just me and maybe I'm in the minority but acting like a damn circus clown on crack after you blow some creature into oblivion isn't honoring our sport, the animal or yourself. Keep the "moments of glory and moronic ineptitude" for your home movies. If you want 15 minutes of fame, show us how to be a good sportsperson, honor yourself and the game we hunt on your videos.
Kind regards to all,
David Keith

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Watching a hunting client gun down a charging lion doesn't serve as a validation of bravery.

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It's a disservice to lion hunting to watch a hunting party pummel a raging cat with bullets and blood flying everywhere

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It means the person who fired the first shot FAILED at his job

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Outfitters, TV show producers, YouTube purveyors and safari DVD makers Please stop glorifying wounded lion and leopard charges. This does our industry no good. It only reinforces stereotypes held by anti-hunting groups, of senseless killing, animal cruelty and Elmer Fudd doofus hunters. Yes I know they don't like animal killing of any kind, am I'm in the process of meeting with some of the anti-hunting big wigs to find some common ground. I truly believe we both want the same end all result. We just have slightly different methodology of "getting there."

Watching a hunting client gun down a charging lion doesn't serve as a validation of bravery. It indicates he didn't get the job done with the initial round. High-fiving and yucking-it-up to the camera are idiotic after one of these incidents. The proper thing to do is turn to the camera and say, 'I made a mistake and thankfully it didn't cost me my life.' It's a disservice to lion hunting to watch a hunting party pummel a raging cat with bullets and blood flying everywhere. It's disrespectful to your PH, who worked you into position to execute a clean shot. Stop putting these on YouTube! Kamboko Safaris, take it off your home page! It's not good for marketing! Outfitters, it doesn't brand you as an operator who has "tougher than normal lions." It means the person who fired the first shot FAILED at his job. You're not fooling anyone masquerading a screw-up as excitement and a reason to "come hunt with us." For all you new guys especially, take note. Lions can be killed with one properly placed shot and it's customary to execute an insurance shot to kill it some more. Leopards are normally taken with one and only one well-placed shot.

Any PH you talk to will tell you a charging cat, moreso the leopard, is his worst nightmare. If you absolutely must post a wounded cat charge on your website or include it on your DVD/video, how about a compromise with me? Please explain in detail how the hunting sequence got to the point of a charge. Have the bravery to admit that someone executed a poorly placed first shot. Everyone of these wounded cat charges is PREVENTABLE. Atleast try to educate through error. Be brave enough to the hunting community and tell the truth. Otherwise these wounded cat charges do the safari industry and the hunting industry no good.

It's 2010 and everybody, and I mean anybody and everybody can watch it. So please try to get it right. If you're uncertain or just need a second opinion, consult one of the experts like Dave Fulson, Ivan or Buzz, who do this on a regular basis. A videotaped wounded cat charge is one of thee most powerful weapons in the hands of the wrong person. STOP strengthening the arsenal.

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Originally posted by Bwana Moja:Watching a hunting client gun down a charging lion doesn't serve as a validation of bravery. It indicates he didn't get the job done with the initial round. High-fiving and yucking-it-up to the camera are idiotic after one of these incidents. The proper thing to do is turn to the camera and say, 'I made a mistake and thankfully it didn't cost me my life.' It's a disservice to lion hunting to watch a hunting party pummel a raging cat with bullets and blood flying everywhere. It's disrespectful to your PH, who worked you into position to execute a clean shot. Stop putting these on YouTube! Kamboko Safaris, take it off your home page! It's not good for marketing! Outfitters, it doesn't brand you as an operator who has "tougher than normal lions." It means the person who fired the first shot FAILED at his job. You're not fooling anyone masquerading a screw-up as excitement and a reason to "come hunt with us." For all you new guys especially, take note. Lions can be killed with one properly placed shot and it's customary to execute an insurance shot to kill it some more. Leopards are normally taken with one and only one well-placed shot.

Any PH you talk to will tell you a charging cat, moreso the leopard, is his worst nightmare. If you absolutely must post a wounded cat charge on your website or include it on your DVD/video, how about a compromise with me? Please explain in detail how the hunting sequence got to the point of a charge. Have the bravery to admit that someone executed a poorly placed first shot. Everyone of these wounded cat charges is PREVENTABLE. Atleast try to educate through error. Be brave enough to the hunting community and tell the truth. Otherwise these wounded cat charges do the safari industry and the hunting industry no good.

It's 2010 and everybody, and I mean anybody and everybody can watch it. So please try to get it right. If you're uncertain or just need a second opinion, consult one of the experts like Dave Fulson, Ivan or Buzz, who do this on a regular basis. A videotaped wounded cat charge is one of thee most powerful weapons in the hands of the wrong person. STOP strengthening the arsenal.

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Originally posted by Bwana Moja:
Show some damn class and be mindful that you wounded the cat earlier...that it's your responsibility as a hunter to dispatch the animal and finish it off displaying as much dignity as possible.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Bwana Moja:
Show some damn class and be mindful that you wounded the cat earlier...that it's your responsibility as a hunter to dispatch the animal and finish it off displaying as much dignity as possible.

I am just curious, you make and produce DVDs. I presume that on your hunts the cameraman is pretty much running the camera the entire time. When you do cat hunts, is your cameraman under instructions that if the first shot does not stop the cat that they are to cease filming immediately and not to resume filming until the cat is dead? Are they under instructions not to film any follow up including potential charges? Just curious.

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...is your cameraman under instructions that if the first shot does not stop the cat that they are to cease filming immediately and not to resume filming until the cat is dead? Are they under instructions not to film any follow up including potential charges? Just curious.

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I am just curious, you make and produce DVDs. I presume that on your hunts the cameraman is pretty much running the camera the entire time. When you do cat hunts, is your cameraman under instructions that if the first shot does not stop the cat that they are to cease filming immediately and not to resume filming until the cat is dead? Are they under instructions not to film any follow up including potential charges? Just curious.

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Originally posted by Bwana Moja:

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I am just curious, you make and produce DVDs. I presume that on your hunts the cameraman is pretty much running the camera the entire time. When you do cat hunts, is your cameraman under instructions that if the first shot does not stop the cat that they are to cease filming immediately and not to resume filming until the cat is dead? Are they under instructions not to film any follow up including potential charges? Just curious.

Frostbit: My initial post speaks nothing about kudu hunting, nor does it have anything to do with putting random hunting videos on YouTube.

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Looks like a case of do what I say, not as I do.