I would be afraid to hunt with someone that I had cheated out of money in the past. Accidents do happen in the bush!

While I in no way want to minimize Jeff's loss, I would far rather lose money that way rather than what happened to other clients. Can you imagine being dropped off on a landing strip in the middle of no where with no one there? How about being picked and brought to camp to find there was no food, fuel nor a place to stay? Not me.

I don't care how much Zahir cleans up his act, there is about as much chance of me going with him as me extending my ex wife's alimony for 5 more years. Trust me, that ain't happening.

Zahir, please comment on your deportation from the US. Also, please comment on your scorched earth policy when things were going badly for you.

Zahir had little choice but to be gentlemanly here. His actions speak louder than his lies here ever will.

I guess I didn't have it that bad after all. We only ran out out gas twice during the safari.

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:

If a client like Jeff say paid $40K and did not hunt. He can come on the hunt without paying service fees, but would have to pay government fees.

My comment on payable on success was based on a new hunt with a new client who is coming on exploratory hunt.

Sorry to butt in... I am just curious. Is this something you would entertain Bwana B?

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:

If a client like Jeff say paid $40K and did not hunt. He can come on the hunt without paying service fees, but would have to pay government fees.

My comment on payable on success was based on a new hunt with a new client who is coming on exploratory hunt.

Sorry to butt in... I am just curious. Is this something you would entertain Bwana B?

Absolutely Not

OK - thanks mate. I was thinking some others being offered similar deals might like to read that?

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
The money $40k was paid to you personally zahir. You cant possibly believe your own bullsit.
Jeff

As I have mentioned before, we are not disputing the fact you paid 40k. I did ask if you did pay again to hunt with TAWICO.

I continued to say we will work something out if in fact you paid again to hunt with TAWICO. The information I did receive is that TAWICO did not ask you to pay again. But this information dates back to late 2006.

With continued dialogue, something can be done.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
While I in no way want to minimize Jeff's loss, I would far rather lose money that way rather than what happened to other clients. Can you imagine being dropped off on a landing strip in the middle of no where with no one there? How about being picked and brought to camp to find there was no food, fuel nor a place to stay? Not me.

I don't care how much Zahir cleans up his act, there is about as much chance of me going with him as me extending my ex wife's alimony for 5 more years. Trust me, that ain't happening.

please comment on your scorched earth policy when things were going badly for you.

Zahir had little choice but to be gentlemanly here. His actions speak louder than his lies here ever will.

Wildlife Department issues quotas for each hunting season. No one can exceed the allocated quota. So, I am not sure what you mean by scorched earth policy.

I continue to say that a lot of factors contributed to those events. some were mentioned.

The important thing is we are looking for ways forward to make things right. Some are willing and some may not be willing.

We will continue to have dialogue and update any client who contacts us who is willing to find a solution rather than pointing fingers.

Things did happen, and that cannot change. We cannot wind back time. We can only proceed to correct mistakes that were done.

quote:

Originally posted by bwana cecil:
I would be afraid to hunt with someone that I had cheated out of money in the past. Accidents do happen in the bush!

We have mentioned that some clients dealing with Usangu were affected. We are willing to work with them for a way forward.

We are not hiding from anything, but we are looking for ways forward.

quote:

Originally posted by samir:
I guess I didn't have it that bad after all. We only ran out out gas twice during the safari.

Did you get the trophies that you hunted?

quote:

Originally posted by ndorobo1:
Mr. euroafrogroup the only course of action that you should take is paying back the 40k with interest. Thats 40k in cash not credits towards future hunts. I have a feeling that you were paid in US dollars and not some kind of credit.

Clients pay deposits to take hunts. Mr. Jeff was booked to hunt in Rungwa during Usangu/TAWICO joint operations. Usangu/TAWICO Split in 2005, and Jeff was offerred to hunt in 2006, but refused. Arrangements were made with TAWICO to accept the booking for Jeff.

A lot of issues took place in 2007, where a US representative of Usangu left and cut off communication without advance notice.

We have stated in here numerous times that we are willing to work with clients who were affected with Usangu situation.

We will be open to dialogue with those clients who are willing to work something out. Their contracts can be honored through hunting, or refund arrangements can be made through agreed time frame through dialogue.

FUCK YOU ZAHIR and your " gentle " bullshit conversation!
Please disapear urgently.

I have read thru this fiasco and I have the following question. Euro says that they plan to use the profits from the new operation to make things right for the clients of the old operation, what happened to the money the old operation was paid? And why was that money not available to refund the clients of the old operation?

Sorry but something is smelling very fishy here.

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Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
.[/QUOTE

For exploratory hunts, we are willing to work with clients who will give us the opportunity.

I have an idea. I will go on a hunt with your orgazization. Once the hunt is over and all my tropies have been successfully delivered to my home, then I will send you a check.

quote:

Originally posted by David Culpepper:
I have read thru this fiasco and I have the following question. Euro says that they plan to use the profits from the new operation to make things right for the clients of the old operation, what happened to the money the old operation was paid? And why was that money not available to refund the clients of the old operation?

Sorry but something is smelling very fishy here.

There are several factors. Briefly is the flow of events:
1. Usangu/TAWICO had joint operations from 2001 to end of 2005. These companies were family entities.
2. During that time, Zahir was doing marketing only. Others in the company were handling operations. Zahir was not the owner of either company.
3. Through the success of marketing and hunting success, usangu had a large clientele. As a results, bookings were made up to 4 years in advance.
4. In 2005, Usangu/TAWICO experienced financial mismanagement from operations side. Through auditing in May of 2005 one owner of usangu resigned and left the company so by refusing to give full disclosure of expenditures on operation side.
5. At that time, Zahir was asked to join usangu ownership in September 2005. This was not officiated until later part of 2008.
6. Resigning members of usangu had an agreement to purchase tawico, and were given until December 2005 to settle accounts. That did not happen and tawico was taken by another management from 2006 to present.
7. A lot of deposits prior to 2005 for clients booked up to 2009 were already forwarded to old usangu/tawico management and could not be recovered.
8. Towards the end of 2005 Zahir got an agent to represent usangu on marketing from 2006 until August 2007, where that representative cut off communications and we have yet to hear from him.
9. Zahir returned to Tanzania early 2006, and left the marketing and finances for clients to be taken over by the representing agent.

So, that being said, usangu was operating in less than 50% of the funds. Zahir expected that the marketing agent would continue to do well in marketing and customer relations. This expectation did not materialize.

Operations went ok for 2005 and 2006. In 2007, while Zahir was in the field. The representing agent came to Tanzania in August as arranged to discuss ways to bring more business. The agent arrived, stayed 2 days, gave Zahir a typed resignation letter and left without further communications.

That being said, if Zahir was aware of another mismanagement from marketing side, things could have been different. To make matters worse, the government in June of 2007 upgraded usangu areas to national park, and usangu was given to end of 2007 to use usangu areas. Replacements blocks to open areas and not game reserve were given by the government, but Zahir refused them as they were not good areas.

The government did not have other vacant areas until the new allocation that took place in 2011 with review process that ended in 2012.

Zahir went on his own to create his own company. Since Zahir was associated with usangu, he is trying to contact affected clients to see what can be done.

In brief those were events. Zahir is being viewed negatively because he was the only one left and took the risks for usangu. Hind site being 20/20, Zahir should have probably refused to take over usangu in 2005.

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Originally posted by boliep:

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
.[/QUOTE

For exploratory hunts, we are willing to work with clients who will give us the opportunity.

I have an idea. I will go on a hunt with your orgazization. Once the hunt is over and all my tropies have been successfully delivered to my home, then I will send you a check.

If you are interested you are welcome to contact us. In all new contracts we are putting safeguards clause to protect both sides. Government fees would have to be paid and arrangements are made where the client pays directly to the government account.

Zahir,

Thank you for your polite PM. I do agree that I try to be a man of principle and honor. That said lets review a few things.

First the thread started with posts by Eurowhatever that I am not Zahir. Now your Zahir. Ok fine.

Second Prove that I, Jeff Sevor is owed by you $40,000 USD. That has been proven without any room for doubt. Ok.

Now the facts are that my hunt was in Rungwa Ikili by contract in 2006, not 2007. You (Usangu) sold the rights to Rungwa Ikili to Brittingham's TAWICO (Tanzaniaquest)and I insisted on hunting there. They honored the contract with the transfer, but You never forwarded them my deposit. Infact they almost canceled my hunt because they had no contact information for me. I rushed another $18,500 USD to them to secure my spot as my receipt shows in an earlier post. My hunt was July 23-August 2, 2006.

The email from you labeled exhibit G in a previous post depicts an email from you Zahir Mulla dated August 20, 2006 where you lay out plans to refund my deposit.

NO MONEY WAS EVER RETURNED.

This refutes quite clearly that money was ever paid to TAWICO on my behalf and I can assure you they gave me NO $40,000 gift.

I commend your desire to make things right for the hunters you defrauded. However any settlement with me will be out in the open on this forum. Not some back room agreement. Also there is no reason for us to speak. So I will not be calling you. Any payment will be posted for the world to see. I believe people can change, but not very often. I am even willing to dedicate a thread to all of the people you make whole and will gladly post their accounts of your altuism with appropriate proof of course

I will even call it Zahir Mulla, Man of Honor.

In short I don't care where you get the money to refund me the $40,000USD you owe me except for defrauding other hunters. That is what the Ponzi scheme you are proposing will be.

Jeff

If this were a run of the mill bankruptcy situation, I would be a lot more understanding of the current attempt to make things right. However, it is clearly not the case.

Anyone that goes hunting with this new company is an idiot. I can't wait to hear the reports.

On top of everything else associated with this thread I don't know if I could be convinced that the 2 areas in question have not been poached out..or as they say in Zambia a "depleted" area. Does anyone know who (if anyone) hunted these areas the past year or 2?

Otherwise I am merely an observer on this thread.

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Zahir,

Thank you for your polite PM. I do agree that I try to be a man of principle and honor. That said lets review a few things.

First the thread started with posts by Eurowhatever that I am not Zahir. Now your Zahir. Ok fine.

Second Prove that I, Jeff Sevor is owed by you $40,000 USD. That has been proven without any room for doubt. Ok.

Now the facts are that my hunt was in Rungwa Ikili by contract in 2006, not 2007. You (Usangu) sold the rights to Rungwa Ikili to Brittingham's TAWICO (Tanzaniaquest)and I insisted on hunting there. They honored the contract with the transfer, but You never forwarded them my deposit. Infact they almost canceled my hunt because they had no contact information for me. I rushed another $18,500 USD to them to secure my spot as my receipt shows in an earlier post. My hunt was July 23-August 2, 2006.

The email from you labeled exhibit G in a previous post depicts an email from you Zahir Mulla dated August 20, 2006 where you lay out plans to refund my deposit.

NO MONEY WAS EVER RETURNED.

This refutes quite clearly that money was ever paid to TAWICO on my behalf and I can assure you they gave me NO $40,000 gift.

I commend your desire to make things right for the hunters you defrauded. However any settlement with me will be out in the open on this forum. Not some back room agreement. Also there is no reason for us to speak. So I will not be calling you. Any payment will be posted for the world to see. I believe people can change, but not very often. I am even willing to dedicate a thread to all of the people you make whole and will gladly post their accounts of your altuism with appropriate proof of course

I will even call it Zahir Mulla, Man of Honor.

In short I don't care where you get the money to refund me the $40,000USD you owe me except for defrauding other hunters. That is what the Ponzi scheme you are proposing will be.

Jeff

Will update you on the progress as we move forward. It will be helpful in our case to get concrete information that you did in fact pay again to tawico. We did get information indicating otherwise. And that was late in 2006.

quote:

Originally posted by Safari2:
On top of everything else associated with this thread I don't know if I could be convinced that the 2 areas in question have not been poached out..or as they say in Zambia a "depleted" area. Does anyone know who (if anyone) hunted these areas the past year or 2?

Otherwise I am merely an observer on this thread.

These areas have not been hunted before. We have visited Kimisi and we have documented a lot of game with healthy populations of buffalo, elephants, leopards, hippo, roan, Eland, etc. Photos of animals observed and photographed in the area are posted in our website www.hunt-tanzania.com

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Zahir,

Thank you for your polite PM. I do agree that I try to be a man of principle and honor. That said lets review a few things.

First the thread started with posts by Eurowhatever that I am not Zahir. Now your Zahir. Ok fine.

Second Prove that I, Jeff Sevor is owed by you $40,000 USD. That has been proven without any room for doubt. Ok.

Now the facts are that my hunt was in Rungwa Ikili by contract in 2006, not 2007. You (Usangu) sold the rights to Rungwa Ikili to Brittingham's TAWICO (Tanzaniaquest)and I insisted on hunting there. They honored the contract with the transfer, but You never forwarded them my deposit. Infact they almost canceled my hunt because they had no contact information for me. I rushed another $18,500 USD to them to secure my spot as my receipt shows in an earlier post. My hunt was July 23-August 2, 2006.

The email from you labeled exhibit G in a previous post depicts an email from you Zahir Mulla dated August 20, 2006 where you lay out plans to refund my deposit.

NO MONEY WAS EVER RETURNED.

This refutes quite clearly that money was ever paid to TAWICO on my behalf and I can assure you they gave me NO $40,000 gift.

I commend your desire to make things right for the hunters you defrauded. However any settlement with me will be out in the open on this forum. Not some back room agreement. Also there is no reason for us to speak. So I will not be calling you. Any payment will be posted for the world to see. I believe people can change, but not very often. I am even willing to dedicate a thread to all of the people you make whole and will gladly post their accounts of your altuism with appropriate proof of course

I will even call it Zahir Mulla, Man of Honor.

In short I don't care where you get the money to refund me the $40,000USD you owe me except for defrauding other hunters. That is what the Ponzi scheme you are proposing will be.

Jeff

Will update you on the progress as we move forward. It will be helpful in our case to get concrete information that you did in fact pay again to tawico. We did get information indicating otherwise. And that was late in 2006.

BULLSHI!!!!!!

Jeff, we will do what we can to sort out your situation. At the same time it will be helpful to give us the proof that you did in fact pay tawico another 40k.

It will be helpful if you put that open by showing payment confirmation from tawico for additional fees paid other than trophy fees or transport fees.

We are not doubting your account, but we were told your hunt was done without you paying extra.

We may agree to disagree how we view the situation. What we can say we will do our level best to make things right for those affected.

This cannot be done overnight. It will take time as we are only starting. We will make whole whether by refunds or by hunts. Hunts maybe the fastest option for those who will choose that option.

Never been hunted probably means poached to hell and back my locals.

Interesting that Zahir has no records on his former clients yet has all sort of picture from his new , never been hunted area. They probably come from Nat Geo

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Never been hunted probably means poached to hell and back my locals.

Interesting that Zahir has no records on his former clients yet has all sort of picture from his new , never been hunted area. They probably come from Nat Geo

My bill shows $18,500 deposit paid by me and balance settle date paid in full? Whete does 40k show up? Jesus don't go to law school.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Never been hunted probably means poached to hell and back my locals.

Interesting that Zahir has no records on his former clients yet has all sort of picture from his new , never been hunted area. They probably come from Nat Geo

Several clients whom we had contact information have been contacted since last year. Quite few we did not have contact information. But we did put information in some media for anyone who is affected can contact us.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Never been hunted probably means poached to hell and back my locals.

Interesting that Zahir has no records on his former clients yet has all sort of picture from his new , never been hunted area. They probably come from Nat Geo

We post photos from our areas taken by us. Areas we have are unique with quality animals worth being in Nat Geo.

This is truly a saga. While I am getting my haircut, I wrote a poem about this. As soon as I get back, I will post it.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Never been hunted probably means poached to hell and back my locals.

Interesting that Zahir has no records on his former clients yet has all sort of picture from his new , never been hunted area. They probably come from Nat Geo

Larry I tend to agree with you..in todays africa if an area is not being hunted/protected by safari hunting ..it is getting poached to hell by the locals.

Ladies & gentlemen, here is my poem. I call it:

THE BALLAD OF ZAHIR

There was once a company called Usangu,
If you booked a hunt with them, they were going to fuck you,

It was run by a man named Zahir,
Who we once heard took it in the rear,

We once saw him in our area to poach,
Didn't surprise me, he looked like a roach,

He stole $40,000 from my friend Jeff Sevor,
Jeff was so pissed that he got a fever,

Now Zahir wants us to forgive and forget,
That ain't something on which I would bet,

Zahir keeps on posting baloney,
Because he ain't nothing but a low life phoney

We all wish Zahir would go away,
Back under his rock where the rest of the roaches stay,


Zahir, we all hope the worst for you,
My final word a a big FUCK YOU!



Now back to work!

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Ladies & gentlemen, here is my poem. I call it:

THE BALLAD OF ZAHIR

There was once a company called Usangu,
If you booked a hunt with them, they were going to fuck you,

It was run by a man named Zahir,
Who we once heard took it in the rear,

We once saw him in our area to poach,
Didn't surprise me, he looked like a roach,

He stole $40,000 from my friend Jeff Sevor,
Jeff was so pissed that he got a fever,

Now Zahir wants us to forgive and forget,
That ain't something on which I would bet,

Zahir keeps on posting baloney,
Because he ain't nothing but a low life phoney

We all wish Zahir would go away,
Back under his rock where the rest of the roaches stay,


Zahir, we all hope the worst for you,
My final word a a big FUCK YOU!



Now back to work!

Don't quit your day job.

quote:

Originally posted by Safari2:

Larry I tend to agree with you..in todays africa if an area is not being hunted/protected by safari hunting ..it is getting poached to hell by the locals.

We protect our areas, and the areas have healthy population of animals.

Anyone who has been affected with usangu situation is welcomed to contact us for a way forward.

Each is entitled to their opinion. Time will show our sincere efforts.

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
Anyone who has been affected with usangu situation is welcomed to contact us for a way forward.

Each is entitled to their opinion. Time will show our sincere efforts.

Sincerely Zahir. Make me whole
The wntire $40,000 here for the entire world to see.
THAT would show sincerety.

Jeff

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
Anyone who has been affected with usangu situation is welcomed to contact us for a way forward.

Each is entitled to their opinion. Time will show our sincere efforts.

Sincerely Zahir. Make me whole
The wntire $40,000 here for the entire world to see.
THAT would show sincerety.

Jeff

Please email us the requested information. We will continue our dialogue for a way forward. We have to get detailed information from affected clients. As it was mentioned, for refunds we will use our profits to make that happen.

For you, will post information here on our progress. As time progresses, we will keep updates.

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
Anyone who has been affected with usangu situation is welcomed to contact us for a way forward.

Each is entitled to their opinion. Time will show our sincere efforts.

Sincerely Zahir. Make me whole
The wntire $40,000 here for the entire world to see.
THAT would show sincerety.

Jeff

Also, per your earlier post we were to receive some information from Amy Martin. We have not received any communications yet. We will continue our dialogue and in the end we do believe in positive results.

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
Anyone who has been affected with usangu situation is welcomed to contact us for a way forward.

Each is entitled to their opinion. Time will show our sincere efforts.

Sincerely Zahir. Make me whole
The wntire $40,000 here for the entire world to see.
THAT would show sincerety.

Jeff

Also, per your earlier post we were to receive some information from Amy Martin. We have not received any communications yet. We will continue our dialogue and in the end we do believe in positive results.[/QUOTE

You are stalling. You are being destroyed in the court of public oponion. I can start postin all sorts of damaging informatiom neyond my personal screwing. Your choice.

quote:

quote:
Originally posted by samir:
I guess I didn't have it that bad after all. We only ran out out gas twice during the safari.


Did you get the trophies that you hunted?

No. I didn't get the skin from my ETHIOPIN bushbuck and Jamie didn't receive his croc or hippo skin. I did receive a waterbuck that was not mine and Jamie received a croc skull that was not his. My main problem was booking an elephant/lion hunt for the Selous, then having it changed last minute to Burigi(which I agreed to) and finally ending up in Usangu with about 8 other pissed off hunters in camp. I didn't see one elephant, didn't see one lion, but we sure saw a hell of a lot of hunters in the field. Your boy Fronterhouse tried to screw me out of two hunting days and an animal I didn't shoot. He finally returned my money after calling him about ten times and telling him what a piece of shit you and he were. I have to admit he did hang up on me two or three times.

quote:

Originally posted by EuroAfroGroup:
We will continue our dialogue and in the end we do believe in positive results.

This is a monologue, not a dialogue.

You are bucking to become the Energizer Bunny of fraud and deceit.

Unreal.

quote:

As it was mentioned, for refunds we will use our profits to make that happen.

An interesting choice of words, "for refunds" would suggest that you are admitting you owe these men something. Then, "we will use our profits to make that happen." would suggest that;
1) You no longer have access to the money these men trusted you with.
2) You expect someone to trust you with more money so that you can pay these men back.
No doubt the latter would require someone who has not seen this "discussion".
Good Luck.