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Since when does a marketing person sign on a loan document? | |||
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Sorry, but right above your signature it says "Authorized Director". Poor attempt at a weasal move. Jeff | |||
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Is it just me? Or has anyone else noticed that in some instances whoever it is posting for EuroAroGroup writes as Zahir & other times like they are only someone representing Zahir? I have a tremendous amount of respect for Marc Watts, but wonder why after a long period of not posting o AR even after a thread was started about him does he emerge now to publicly encourage Zahir. Usually where there is smoke there is fire, & in this case there is a hell of a lot of smoke. Good luck to those who have been screwed, but I would not hold my breath waiting for one penny from this guy. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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1. Jeff contracted with usangu/tawico before split. after split, arrangements were made for Jeff to hunt in tawico contracted area. the information we have as end of 2006 is that Jeff did not pay again. we have asked Jeff to email us original contract and proof he paid tawico again for services. after this we can send him formal proposal. instead, Jeff insists posting information that dates back 2006-2007. 2. We are not sure if Larry was usangu client. if he was he can send us relevant information. we are not sure how we can say to be understood that we want direct communications to validate identity. we believe anyone can post on AR without validating identity other than valid email. some insist in posting information that was already public since 2007-08. posting again that information does not bring solutions. clients with relevant issues can contact us through direct dialogue to come up with a positive solution. | |||
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The word says authorized, meaning arrangements were already made with Phil and other parties, and for that it was ok for Zahir to sign. | |||
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I have posted the proof here. What more do you need? Certainly everyone elsse that is reading this thread is convinced you owe me $40,000> At the end of the day that is all that really matters. Jeff | |||
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Because the user name was to represent company. | |||
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Authorized Director is how Zahir labeled himmself in Usangu. He signed a legal document and fails to repay a debt but somehow it doesn't count???? Delusional. Look it up. Jeff | |||
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That is well and good. For us to proceed with proposal to you would need to be emailed. We are certain you can post what you email us. | |||
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What proposal is that? You have made no proposal. I await said proposal. Jeff | |||
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I mentioned earlier that Phil, tawico, and relevant parties met after the split to discuss those matters. I was not part of that discussion indicates the loan was not pertaining to me. | |||
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What proposal is that? You have made no proposal. I await said proposal. Jeff[/QUOTE] Email us requested information for our review, and we will send you our proposal after reviewing the information. We are certain you will post what we write. | |||
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How the fuck do you Zahir Mulla sign a loan for $250,000 and then claim it doesn't pertain to you? Were you a democrat before deportation? I await your proposal. Jeff | |||
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I was able to read it that note. First it says tawico/usangu. Second, it says personal endorsements for relevant parties. As I have mentioned, usangu and tawico split in 2005. Phil and relevant parties had till December 2005 to finalize their agreement. I do not know what transpired, but it is public that tawico was taken by another management early 2006. Also, I don't think this information has to do with affected clients. | |||
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Please email us the requested information. We will send you a proposal after we review the documents. | |||
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Whether you were at the meeting or not does not matter. You SIGNED THE NOTE, therefore you are responcible for it. Either Zahir is playing us or he's one of the biggest idiots I've ever been witness to. LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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+1. I was thinking the same thing!!! | |||
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We explained the origin of that note and what it was done for. | |||
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As someone who has a hell of a lot of experience is such matters, I can clearly say the borrowers are Usangu, Tawico & the individuals listed on the first page. Zahir signed on behalf of BOTH corporations as well as personally. This may be the biggest lie yet. He clearly has knowledge of this matter. | |||
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Knowledge that it was done before tawico/usangu split yes. Knowledge what tawico, Phil, and others did after the split, NO. | |||
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This this AM from Taanzaniaquest home office. From: "Msims@briarlakesproductions.com" <msims@briarl... [Add to Address Book] To: JSevor@mindspring.com Subject: FW: Jeff Sevor Safari Tanzania Rungwa Ikili 2006 Date: Mar 4, 2013 11:21 AM Attachments: image001.jpg Dear Jeff, I spoke with you briefly on the phone this morning. Please see all of the correspondence below. We NEVER received any funds from Mr. Mulla or anyone else on your behalf in the amount of $38,800 (or any amount). Please let me know if any further information can be provided for your assistance. Best, Mandy Johnson Office Manager Briar Lakes Productions 609-A East Clinton Ave. Athens TX 75751 www.jackbrittingham.com 903-677-0820 – Office 903-677-2126 – Fax 903-681-3174 – Cell Mandy@briarlakesproductions.com | |||
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And this from Jack Brittingham himself. From: Jack Brittingham Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:51 PM To: Pat Beaird Cc: Olivia Nalos; Jon Bryant Subject: Re: Jeff Sevor Safari Tanzania Rungwa Ikili 2006 This is true as stated by Jeff. We received no funds from Zahir but we honored this hunt. Thanks, Jack Brittingham Sent from my iPhone | |||
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i'm biting my tongue on this one......  "...Them, they were Giants!" J.A. Hunter describing the early explorers and settlers of East Africa hunting is not about the killing but about the chase of the hunt.... Ortega Y Gasset | |||
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Two things to note from these emails: 1. The amount is different than claimed by Jeff 2. The hunt was honored. | |||
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Same ways like other companies got theirs. | |||
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Jeff, Out of curiosity...who hunted you in Jack's Rungwa block? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ J. Lane Easter, DVM A born Texan has instilled in his system a mind-set of no retreat or no surrender. I wish everyone the world over had the dominating spirit that motivates Texans.– Billy Clayton, Speaker of the Texas House No state commands such fierce pride and loyalty. Lesser mortals are pitied for their misfortune in not being born in Texas.— Queen Elizabeth II on her visit to Texas in May, 1991. | |||
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Hilary Dafi I am indebted to Jack and Tanzaniaquest for honoring this hunt inspite of all the crap surrounding it. I have tried to repay them in kind. Jeff | |||
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Wow. Really, do you think that ANYONE here is going to give Jeff grief over calling $38,800 $40k? Seriously?!!! Having been mildly entertained by all this bullshit, this truly took the cake for me. Besides, to your second point, I am inclined to believe that Jeff didn't leave the other operator hanging. From the tone of your response you are implying that Jeff payed you $40k and someone else took him hunting so Jeff is all squared away. Even in that scenario you raped this other outfit's wallet! Without even having the decency of pointing out by your own admission that either you screwed Jeff AND the other outfit in question out of their money, or you just screwed the other operator. Wow. With the way you think I have a genuine piece of ocean front property to sell to you at a steal here in Utah.....(a guy's gotta pay for law school somehow!) | |||
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A lot of circumstances happened. We requested affected clients to contact us so that we can determine how to handle each case. We are determined to make it right through direct communications. Jeff was insisting on being open and exact. I did state earlier regarding Jeff original contract. To my understanding the hunt was honored. We are willing to work with Jeff, but through direct communications, and we are certain that Jeff will post those communications. We want to be civil about it. We are looking for solutions not back and forth posts that have nothing to do with working towards a solution. | |||
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6,665 views and ONE single positive comment. Does't look good for you Zahir. | |||
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My interest is not about positive or negative comments. My interest is to work on positive solutions for affected clients. | |||
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Civil stops at $20,000USD | |||
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FROM THE HUNTING REPORT New Tanzania Wildlife Act And Hunting Regulations Announced Published: November - 2010 News of the new Tanzania wildlife Act and hunting regulations reached me just days before this issue went to press. An official document had not been printed yet and was not expected until after the elections on October 31. That said, I managed to get a summary of the new regs. Because these are not official, I will not distribute them, to avoid creating any confusion. However, there are three items that jump out. First is the development that all hunting blocks will now be categorized from I-V, with block fees assessed according to the category. Category I blocks will be the most expensive. I don't yet know the criteria behind the categories, but you can expect this to tie into safari prices (and corresponding quality) as fees for a Category I block are 100 times more than for a Category V block. The other interesting development is that safari operators will be required to post a $10,000 trophy fee deposit to the Wildlife Department before the season starts. One can't help but wonder if this is supposed to address situations like that created by Usangu Safaris, which collected trophy fees from dozens of hunters but never paid the government for them. (Despite promises from both Zahir and Abdul Mulla, former proprietors of Usangu, that they would get the trophies released, I still have a list of Hunting Report subscribers waiting for trophies they hunted with Usangu several years ago. Of course, $10,000 isn't nearly enough to cover Usangu's over $100,000 in outstanding trophy fees.) Seems like the esteemed Mr Mulla has been making promises for a while now. | |||
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Zahir, Hi. I have posted on this forum before that I hunted with Usangu prior to its collapse. While on our hunt there were early warning signs of impending issues, like ending up in Usangu and not the Selous as we had booked, we nevertheless had a successful and enjoyable hunt and our trophies were exported. I also met other hunters in camp some of whom have become very dear friends. In the spirit of trying to be helpful, I thought I would offer some friendly suggestions, take them or leave them, your call: 1. Be upfront. For example, you have yet to acknowledge on this forum that EuroAfroGroup is in fact you. If you are posting, just acknowledge that fact. Don't refer to yourself in the third person. It comes across as being disingenuous and deceptive. If this group and these posts are not being made by you, have whoever is doing them tell who they are. Similarly, on your website there is no disclosure regarding who EuroAfroGroup is. Yes, there is some general and vague reference to an investment group, but no information regarding the principals. I think most folks will view this lack of disclosure very suspiciously. They say here, sunshine is the best disinfectant. Laying out all the facts, who is who, and being transparent will do nothing but help. Trying to be vague and opaque are only going to make things worse. 2. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Clearly this debate is not going away nor is going your way. Let it go. Stop feeling each tit deserves a tat. Unless and until someone that feels that they were unfairly treated or cheated comes on here and says the problem has been rectified, general statements about working on positive solutions are just going to keep the debate alive. 3. Make things right. If you are really interested in getting back into the business, you have find a way to wipe the slate clean with former clients. In this day and age of the internet and in a business that is as small as the African hunting business, I think it will be impossible to fly under the radar screen. Information travels way too fast. Saying you intend to make things right and doing so are two very different things. People will be looking for some positive sign that progress is actually being made. Again, I am not trying to pile on, just offer some constructive advice. I wish you the best in getting your new operation up and running. Mike | |||
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Mike, I am usually on the same page with on virtually all of your posts. Having said that who should be made whole in your opinion? Hundreds of thousands of dollars was stolen from fellow hunters. How about the skinners, camp staff and trackers that were never paid? How about the Professional Hunters who were never paid? How about the vendors and shop keepers who were defrauded? How about the Tanzanian Game Department not receiving trophy fees? Just wondered about your thoughts on these people as well. Zahir for 7 years has been missing two critical words throughout this whole mess. I'm Sorry.... Never heard it never will. Jeff | |||
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Just my opinion, but I think making something right means making it right for everyone that was shorted, cheated, etc. That said, I am a realist enough to understand that the wherewithal undoubtedly does not exist to make 100% of the aggrieved people whole 100%, certainly immediately, maybe never. But making tangible evidence of a commitment to make things right and giving thought to a long-term plan or arrangement to make things right would be an appropriate first step. For example, couldn't someone make a commitment to fund annually a fund that would be used to reimburse people for some period of time in the future? Or take some initial sum of money and agree that the sum will be used to compensate everyone that submits a claim by a certain date on a pro rata basis? Not my problem so not my issue to solve, but as they say, actions speak louder than words and every journey begins with a first step. Mike | |||
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"...we believe anyone can post on AR without validating identity other than valid email..." That is very true Zahir. We let the members see who is right and sho is wrong. So far it has worked like a charm  | |||
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That is why we want direct communications with clients so that we can know who they are and continue dialogue to come up with an agreement to sort things out. | |||
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Mike thanks for kind words. I have mentioned earlier in this post that I already have an agreed arrangements for 5 clients who were affected. Those steps have been taken. We are doing all we can given the circumstances. | |||
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Government release of trophies was done middle of 2011. Since then, we have shipped trophies of few clients. The government figures of trophy fees have been reduced and continues to be reduced. Also, of those fees, there are few clients who did not pay trophy fees worth nearly $50k. | |||
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