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 It has been brought to my attention that the lion quotas in Chanjuzi GMA and Nyaminga GMAs were significantly lower than I stated under Muchinga Adventures Ltd and its Managing Director John du Plooy. I would like to retract my comments which were not based on actual facts. Any damage my statement may have caused to John du Plooy, Muchinga Adventures, Nyaminga GMA and Chanjuzi GMA is deeply regretted. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | ||
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Two million views? Jeff | |||
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I remember this thread. What are the lion quotas for these areas for 16'? | |||
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Could you post a link to it as I am unable to find it. I have to delete it. ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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Careful Andrew, Johnny pulled out the big guns, apparently Mr. Kabimba is a licensed notary...... | |||
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You're lucky that they didn't send Douglas Chester Esq. after you. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Blast from the past on that!! | |||
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Isn't that the Company and Family that allowed that wrldhunter kid to shoot a big old cub of a lion??? | |||
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Andrew I can't find it. Do you remember the title to the thread? LORD, let my bullets go where my crosshairs show. Not all who wander are lost. NEVER TRUST A FART!!! Cecil Leonard | |||
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Were they not the same outfit that shot a very young lion a while back?? Personally, I will put these lot on my own black list of never to hunt with. May be AR should take legal action against them for getting their bloody facts wrong too? What a bunch of bloody losers! And they actually talk about FACTS?? And they cannot get their own FACTS right?? We have been discussing what a client should look for when checking who to hunt with. Here is a perfect example of those who to avoid at any cost! | |||
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The thread was viewed 2,000,000 times? Seriously? I have hunt reports with both Johnny and Andrew and both together total less than 10,000. That said I enjoyed hunting with both and hopefully they can resolve their differences, whatever they may be, and move on to help one another support the preservation of land and species necessary to keep Africa as wild as we all hope it will be years from now. Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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I'm not going to spend the time to look for Andrew's post about "nine Lions" on quota but I do admit I spent a little time looking. I tore the scab off some old wounds many of us remember and those that don't ought to read this whole thread. Aaron. I consider you a friend and you have been nothing but supportive and seemingly appreciative of having spent time hunting with my wife. I don't dredge this crap up lightly.
I spent the time reading through this whole thread. I took a lot of flack myself because I was in camp at the same time this Lion was taken. I did not have clue at that time about Lion hunting, the "definition of a hunt able Lion", or where we would all be today. But when I re-read this thread I'm linking to now, I suggest you all read the whole thing. It was 2010 - 2011 and look who said what then and what is acceptable now. Thread 2010 Cheers Jim ______________________ DRSS ______________________ Hunt Reports 2015 His & Her Leopards with Derek Littleton of Luwire Safaris - http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/2971090112 2015 Trophy Bull Elephant with CMS http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/1651069012 DIY Brooks Range Sheep Hunt 2013 - http://forums.accuratereloadin...901038191#9901038191 Zambia June/July 2012 with Andrew Baldry - Royal Kafue http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/7971064771 Zambia Sept 2010- Muchinga Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/4211096141 Namibia Sept 2010 - ARUB Safaris http://forums.accuratereloadin...6321043/m/6781076141 | |||
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It looks to me that that they are out to make a quick buck! By shooting as many lions as they can, regardless of their age!! How big is this concession that can support they taking of so many lions?? | |||
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Nothing in Africa happens without government approval. Behind every crooked operation is a government "official" pulling the strings. TIA ___________________ Just Remember, We ALL Told You So. | |||
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This demand for an apology is blowing up in their face. Next they will be demanding a retraction of the apology. Jeff | |||
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Is this the one you are trying to find? http://forums.accuratereloadin...201024761#3201024761 ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Jeff, Stupid people do stupid things, as illustrated perfectly in this example! | |||
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So if it was so stupid, why did Andrew apologize? Mike | |||
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That Family (Du Plooy) and Company (Muchinga) are a scourge to Zambian Wildlife.  But I sure hope Baldry does not get "notarized"!!!  | |||
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Isn't the Internet great . . . you can slander folks and hide behind a pseudonym and a dummy location. Brave fellow. Mike | |||
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I am afraid of getting notarized! Aren't you???  But at least I don't shoot 2 year old cub lions and the DuPlooys do. Facts are facts.  | |||
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Yes, you obviously are very familiar with pussy [cats] . . . being one. What is it about some of the folks in Zim that feel like they need to dump on other outfitters while wearing a mask? Not what I have come to expect from Zimbos who are generally stand up folks.  Mike | |||
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I guess you are what you eat for sure. But I still don't guide kids to shoot cub lions for trophies. | |||
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Please turn in your man card.  Mike | |||
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The duPlooy's are some of the finest people I've met in the International Hunting business. They have given me 110% value for my hunting dollar. They do not deserve this. They are not the kind of people who would dignify this chicken shit lynching with a reply. I know many, many posters, booking agents on AR who have enjoyed AND profited from the relationship with this fine family. Sitting on ones hands when a friend is being besmirched and their character questioned embarrasses me to read this. As you were. Steve Formerly "Nganga" | |||
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Well said, Steve. The DuPlooy's are absolutely wonderful people and don't deserve this BS. Greg Brownlee Neal and Brownlee, LLC Quality Worldwide Big Game Hunts Since 1975 918/299-3580 greg@NealAndBrownlee.com www.NealAndBrownlee.com Instagram: @NealAndBrownleeLLC Hunt reports: Botswana 2010 Alaska 2011 Bezoar Ibex, Turkey 2012 Mid Asian Ibex, Kyrgyzstan 2014 | |||
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Gregg - Agree with your assessment of the DuPlooys, but you must remember. To some here on AR the "facts" simply don't matter when there is a chance for a "lynch mob" to gather. Larry Sellers SCI(International)Life Member R8 Blaser
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Andrew was threatened with legal action because he gave number for the lions they are shooting. Would not have been much easier for them to state the right number of lions, instead of threats?? May be the number Andrew stated was correct? May be they do not wish to let anyone knows what the numbers are? The client who shot that lion was NOT at fault! The fault lies with the PH and outfit he was hunting with. I have seen lions we did not shoot - that was before the 6 year rule came into effect - being shot next door a few weeks later. On these occasions, it was entirely up to the PH. And mine thought they were too young to shoot. | |||
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Question remains, if Andrew was right and they were wrong, why publicly apologize? He seems to be a fairly opinionated fellow, surely if was in the right he would stand his ground would he not? Mike | |||
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All sniping and humor aside...here are "some" of the "known" facts. Abie DuPlooy of Muchinga guided a boy to shoot a 2 yr old (3 at max given a huge benefit of doubt) lion as a trophy. That in itself...justifies all of my comments. | |||
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I think the answer to your question about whether or not Andrew is/was right is, yes and no. As I recall Muchinga originally had 9 lion on quota, but that was numerous years ago, certainly no longer. But back then plenty of blocks were getting 4 lion per year on quota, and 1 or 2 got 5 per year as I recall? I don't think they were necessarily getting any more lions on quota per block than were most others. That's how I remember it, but it has been a few years - I hope my info here is fairly accurate? I am sure if in fact lion hunting totally re-opens in Zambia in 2016, they will not have such a quota. More like 1-2 lions per block, which is likely more reasonable for most places I would guess? | |||
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I was in lower lupande in 05. They had 5 then. I think in 06 it was lowered to 4 Full time professional trapper | |||
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So, if I understand it correctly, Andrew WAS right that they had 9 lions??!! | |||
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I also have had nothing but good from Johnny and Laura DuPlooy. I also had an unsuccessful lion hunt with them back before this whole issue of don't shoot young ones became popular. I guess I didn't get the memo about shooting young ones... I saw male cubs but no one made any thought about shooting one just to get a lion down. I like this site, but really there is a bit too much kangaroo court in session around here at times. As Steve said, carry on.... | |||
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Everyone is welcome to state his opinion, there is no kangaroo court here, neither is here any censorship. This whole thing came about because Andrew was forced to apologize for something he had said. It turns out what he said was actually true - at least that is how I understand it, and if not, I wish someone will give us the whole story. | |||
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Keep trying to put lipstick on it . . . the fact is that they called him out and he issued a public apology. So his conviction on the issue is obviously not as strong as you might suggest. Mike | |||
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We have all messed up an said things we wished we had not and subsequently had to take back. In my case it was: "I do...." Just sayin... Jeff | |||
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I'll bet my favorite testicle Andrew believed it to be true when he said it. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Saeed, this is an example of a kangaroo court...
You admit that you don't have the facts later on, yet you made this statement. How much do think, as an example, Roy Vincent, shot under 5 year old lion many years ago? Did he do anything wrong? Did Muchinga shoot lion that are now thought to be illegal or unethical in the past? I am sure it happened. But the science of lion populations has advanced quite a bit over the years. You yourself have said, "If it is legal, do it and apologize to no one!" While I may not agree that sticking your local lawyer on someone is the move I would make, who is to say that this is the first way it was attempted to be handled? I agree that there should be no censorship, but some folks push the line to statements that are a bit hyperbolic and then others with no knowledge pile on. (Remember the comments on how you could change Emirates policy...) Did Abie have a client who shot an immature lion? Yep. Does any one here know all the details? No. Was it illegal at the time? No. Was it a black eye for lion hunting? In my opinion, absolutely. But is Abie an owner of Muchinga? No. We seem to have gotten afield of a simple statement of what the quota on lion was and when... | |||
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This all came about because Andrew mentioned the number of lions they had on quota. So far, no one has said anything that, THAT fact was wrong. If it is, will someone please tell us what it was?? | |||
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