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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Post counts don't lie.

Mike,

Do YOU know the number of lions they were offering were not 9??

If you do, please tell us the right number.

Otherwise we will all know that what Andrew has said is correct, and letting the lawyers loose at him is nothing but to stop the truth coming out.

And I really could not care less how well their reputation is, any outfitter who tries to cover the truth by taking whoever tells it to court is on my blacklist.

So, tell us all what is the number of lions they were offering?

Let us stop the argument right here and now!

All this started by them threatening Andrew with legal action for what he had said.

Did he say the right number or not??

Who apologized to who? If he did nothing wrong, why would someone apologize . . . on line? If someone demanded that you apologize for something you were in the right on, would you apologize?

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Originally posted by sandyhunter:
As someone who has worked in the safari industry in Zambia (conducting safaris with eight different PHs, a number of whom are very familiar with Chanjuzi and Nyaminga), I'll simply say that a forced apology should be taken for what it is. The mere fact that an operator has given a lot of people great safari experiences and has been honorable with their clients and booking agents does not necessarily mean that they have always managed quotas in the best way. Without getting into what was true and what wasn't, I will also say that the issues Andrew mentioned and Aaron later spoke of were repeatedly described to me by a wide range of unrelated people in the Zambian safari industry--and Andrew and Aaron were not their sources. That noted, I believe nearly everyone is being much more responsible with lion hunting these days, even compared with five years ago--and certainly compared with a decade ago. Let Andrew move on and let the du Plooys move on, and let's all focus on making Zambia a shining example of hunting-based conservation.

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Originally posted by sandyhunter:
As someone who has worked in the safari industry in Zambia (conducting safaris with eight different PHs, a number of whom are very familiar with Chanjuzi and Nyaminga), I'll simply say that a forced apology should be taken for what it is. The mere fact that an operator has given a lot of people great safari experiences and has been honorable with their clients and booking agents does not necessarily mean that they have always managed quotas in the best way. Without getting into what was true and what wasn't, I will also say that the issues Andrew mentioned and Aaron later spoke of were repeatedly described to me by a wide range of unrelated people in the Zambian safari industry--and Andrew and Aaron were not their sources. That noted, I believe nearly everyone is being much more responsible with lion hunting these days, even compared with five years ago--and certainly compared with a decade ago. Let Andrew move on and let the du Plooys move on, and let's all focus on making Zambia a shining example of hunting-based conservation.