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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder when outfitters will learn that in most cases they lose far more than they gain when they decide to publicly criticize other outfitters. Like Andrew's thread on the South African buffalo hunt. Sort of an anti-marketing tool.

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder when outfitters will learn that in most cases they lose far more than they gain when they decide to publicly criticize other outfitters. Like Andrew's thread on the South African buffalo hunt. Sort of an anti-marketing tool.

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Originally posted by Jason P:

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder when outfitters will learn that in most cases they lose far more than they gain when they decide to publicly criticize other outfitters. Like Andrew's thread on the South African buffalo hunt. Sort of an anti-marketing tool.

Probably one of Definitely the best piece of advice that has been
written here, over the past few months. Unfortunately,
advice is something that too few are ever willing to take.

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Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:

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Originally posted by Jason P:

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder when outfitters will learn that in most cases they lose far more than they gain when they decide to publicly criticize other outfitters. Like Andrew's thread on the South African buffalo hunt. Sort of an anti-marketing tool.

Probably one of Definitely the best pieces of advice that has been
written here, over the past few months. Unfortunately,
advice is something that too few are ever willing to take.

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Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Guys,

I have had some God awful Vegas flu for a solid week and have not followed this closely until today. It would seem the tide on this thread has turned to some sort of reasonableness rather than a full blown lynching via Internet. I applaud that. I would like to say that the Du Plooy's are some of the finest people I know in the industry. There never is any bullshit or overblown expectations with Muchinga and Johnny himself is at times brutally honest with his clients. Witnessed that myself.

I've hunted with Andrew and found him to be good PH and a good guy to be in the bush with a good and improving area. Therefore I found it a little disappointing that Andrew found it necessary to air his personal legal business on the Internet. I tend to think he could have found the thread he was looking for without splashing his documents on AR.

When I hunted with Muchinga in '12 I remember there being talk about taking less lions that year on purpose but I don't remember a number. I do remember having a discussion with Abie and Johnny about the young lion being taken. I came away from the conversation thinking they knew this had been a mistake BUT the other side of the coin was the client was insistent, felt he would never return to Africa again and most importantly it was not illegal. Maybe Abie's judgement call was flawed but I bet there isn't one PH out there that has not had a "Ah F!@k" moment.

Mark

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Originally posted by MJines:
I wonder when outfitters will learn that in most cases they lose far more than they gain when they decide to publicly criticize other outfitters. Like Andrew's thread on the South African buffalo hunt. Sort of an anti-marketing tool.

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Originally posted by MJines:
So are you suggesting that outfitters benefit from and should use thread crapping on other outfitters as a marketing tool?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So far, no one has denied that what Andrew originally stated was not correct.

I hope Africa is not going to descend into the stupidity that America is suffering from - threats of legal action even when one is right.

And as we all know, this only came about to line the pockets of the lawyers!

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So far, no one has denied that what Andrew originally stated was not correct.

I hope Africa is not going to descend into the stupidity that America is suffering from - threats of legal action even when one is right.

And as we all know, this only came about to line the pockets of the lawyers!

I shall now sue you for suggesting Americans are stupid....

Jeff

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So far, no one has denied that what Andrew originally stated was not correct.

I hope Africa is not going to descend into the stupidity that America is suffering from - threats of legal action even when one is right.

And as we all know, this only came about to line the pockets of the lawyers!

I shall now sue you for suggesting Americans are stupid....

Jeff

Jeff you are not crapping on my thread are you?

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So far, no one has denied that what Andrew originally stated was not correct.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Mike,

I am a one man band and do not have any other helping me or to call on. To be in court would be disastrous for me and would impact financially on my community. Good people want hunt with me and no other.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Mike,

I am a one man band and do not have any other helping me or to call on. To be in court would be disastrous for me and would impact financially on my community. Good people want hunt with me and no other.

Be careful, you will throw your shoulder out trying to pat yourself on the back and then disappoint all those good people who only want to hunt with you.

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Originally posted by surefire7:
Well, for what it's worth, I've now hunted with Andrew twice.

I am now planning my next two safaris with him also. A happy and satisfied client.

This is just my opinion, and is not intended to disrespect anyone else's. We all see life differently due to our own personal experiences. As for me, I am in Andrew's corner.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Mike,

I am a one man band and do not have any other helping me or to call on. To be in court would be disastrous for me and would impact financially on my community. Good people want hunt with me and no other.

Be careful, you will throw your shoulder out trying to pat yourself on the back and then disappoint all those good people who only want to hunt with you.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Mike,

I am a one man band and do not have any other helping me or to call on. To be in court would be disastrous for me and would impact financially on my community. Good people want hunt with me and no other.

Be careful, you will throw your shoulder out trying to pat yourself on the back and then disappoint all those good people who only want to hunt with you.

Sorry Mike are you asking to hunt with me?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Mike,

I am a one man band and do not have any other helping me or to call on. To be in court would be disastrous for me and would impact financially on my community. Good people want hunt with me and no other.

Be careful, you will throw your shoulder out trying to pat yourself on the back and then disappoint all those good people who only want to hunt with you.

Sorry Mike are you asking to hunt with me?

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
Mike,

I am a one man band and do not have any other helping me or to call on. To be in court would be disastrous for me and would impact financially on my community. Good people want hunt with me and no other.

Be careful, you will throw your shoulder out trying to pat yourself on the back and then disappoint all those good people who only want to hunt with you.

Sorry Mike are you asking to hunt with me?

No chance, but thanks for asking. I am actually fairly particular about who I hunt with. Besides there are plenty of good operators in Zambia, like Alister Norton for instance.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

A lot of the PHs here cannot read or write so the reason is fairly simple.

Have you dug up anything negative about me yet?

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

A lot of the PHs here cannot read or write so the reason is fairly simple.

Have you dug up anything negative about me yet?

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Originally posted by MJines:
Post counts don't lie.

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Originally posted by MJines:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

A lot of the PHs here cannot read or write so the reason is fairly simple.

Have you dug up anything negative about me yet?

Who needs to dig? You do a great job on your own. Please proceed.

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

A lot of the PHs here cannot read or write so the reason is fairly simple.

Have you dug up anything negative about me yet?

You have no clue how to hang a mirror or where to place a toilet paper holder.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Post counts don't lie.

Mike,

Do YOU know the number of lions they were offering were not 9??

If you do, please tell us the right number.

Otherwise we will all know that what Andrew has said is correct, and letting the lawyers loose at him is nothing but to stop the truth coming out.

And I really could not care less how well their reputation is, any outfitter who tries to cover the truth by taking whoever tells it to court is on my blacklist.

So, tell us all what is the number of lions they were offering?

Let us stop the argument right here and now!

All this started by them threatening Andrew with legal action for what he had said.

Did he say the right number or not??

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Originally posted by MJines:
Post counts don't lie.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Frostbit:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Rest assured I am hardly offended. We obviously have different definitions of privilege. I like professional hunters that spend at least as much time hunting as they do blogging. Suggests to me that they have their priorities properly sorted.

A lot of the PHs here cannot read or write so the reason is fairly simple.

Have you dug up anything negative about me yet?

You have no clue how to hang a mirror or where to place a toilet paper holder.

Exactly Jim. But we stood side by side in front of Lions and shot them at a few paces. And few have done what we did.

Not bad for some internet blogging so called PH?

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Post counts don't lie.

Mike,

Do YOU know the number of lions they were offering were not 9??

If you do, please tell us the right number.

Otherwise we will all know that what Andrew has said is correct, and letting the lawyers loose at him is nothing but to stop the truth coming out.

And I really could not care less how well their reputation is, any outfitter who tries to cover the truth by taking whoever tells it to court is on my blacklist.

So, tell us all what is the number of lions they were offering?

Let us stop the argument right here and now!

All this started by them threatening Andrew with legal action for what he had said.

Did he say the right number or not??