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Originally posted by dwarf416:
Wow! When did that happen? I booked with him a hunt in greenland and all went without a single hickup. Did he explain what happened? I know he was sick 1 1/2 years ago. Sorry for your problems. Big shame on Sam

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
That is fraud and report him to the feds

Andrew, Is this really any different than you booking hunts in a closed concession in the Luangwa for a Lion and leopard and cancelling 30 days before your client leaves the states? I know that some of your clients haven’t received their refunds because I happen to be one. Do we want to share your story with the site since you seem so keen to throw others under the bus?

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
That is fraud and report him to the feds

Andrew, Is this really any different than you booking hunts in a closed concession in the Luangwa for a Lion and leopard and cancelling 30 days before your client leaves the states? I know that some of your clients haven’t received their refunds because I happen to be one. Do we want to share your story with the site since you seem so keen to throw others under the bus?

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
That is fraud and report him to the feds

Andrew, Is this really any different than you booking hunts in a closed concession in the Luangwa for a Lion and leopard and cancelling 30 days before your client leaves the states? I know that some of your clients haven’t received their refunds because I happen to be one. Do we want to share your story with the site since you seem so keen to throw others under the bus?

Interesting. I heard this story in Zimbabwe but did not know if it was true or not. Can you provide details?

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
That is fraud and report him to the feds

Andrew, Is this really any different than you booking hunts in a closed concession in the Luangwa for a Lion and leopard and cancelling 30 days before your client leaves the states? I know that some of your clients haven’t received their refunds because I happen to be one. Do we want to share your story with the site since you seem so keen to throw others under the bus?

Interesting. I heard this story in Zimbabwe but did not know if it was true or not. Can you provide details?

Sure Larry, here goes.

In 2022, Andrew marketed a hunt on here for leopard in Chanjuzi in the Luangwa Valley. I quickly reached out and made plans to hunt a leopard in 2023. I signed that contract and paid an initial deposit in April 2022. After I returned from my safari in Zimbabwe last year I decided that I also wanted to hunt a lion in 2023. I chatted with Andrew and in October 2022 signed a new contract. I also decided that I wanted to take my dad to Africa with me. He suffers from Parkinson’s and has never hunted Africa. I subsequently added on my dad hunting buffalo and plains game with me. The contract for my dad’s hunt was sent and signed in April 2023. I have now come to find out that a contract should have never been sent and have been informed by the President of PHAZ that said contract is fraudulent. I sent deposits for my day rates with my final payment being made in April for the Lion and leopard as well as my dad’s buff hunt.

On June 15th I received a message on what’s app that the concession was closed for hunting. At that time I was assured that all would be resolved quickly. After a couple of days I decided that I need to look around for a replacement hunt. I reached out to a few outfitters that I knew and was able to find a replacement hunt for this year. I let Andrew and the outfitter know on June 26 that I would need all of the day rates back in order to book the replacement hunt. This request went unattended. Three more requests were made throughout the month of July with Andrew assuring me that all of his clients had been refunded. At that time I reminded him that I was the biggest hunt sold and had not received a refund.

On July 11th, I received a whats app message from the outfitter who informed me that he could send me back small increments of my days rates every 3-4 weeks. I reached out to Andrew to let him know what was relayed to me and asked for assistance. On July 29th, I received a whats app message from Andrew stating that he would be back from hunting in a couple of days and would work to resolve my situation then. (Hmm he is hunting July 29th…I was supposed to be hunting those dates). Was it a coincidence that another hunter was sold a hunt and booked to hunt my dates? Was this hunt sold before or after I found out about my hunt being canceled?

At that time, I let Andrew know that I had no other choice but to wait things out as I would not receive a refund in time to book another hunt. Andrew had always pushed me to wait it out, or said we can do it next year. As I explained to him, on multiple occasions, my dad wouldn’t be able to hunt next year in all likelihood. In August, I again requested a refund for the 5th time. I was informed by the outfitter that the money wasn’t available until he was able to gain control of the concession and resale hunts for next year.

As of today, I still have not received a dollar back, and I see a man that is championed as the beacon of Zambian still posting hunt reports and selling hunts to the good people of this site. While many of you have had good experiences with Andrew unfortunately my dealings have been closer to what the initial poster wrote about a different PH/outfitter than what other people on here have experienced.

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
That is fraud and report him to the feds

Andrew, Is this really any different than you booking hunts in a closed concession in the Luangwa for a Lion and leopard and cancelling 30 days before your client leaves the states? I know that some of your clients haven’t received their refunds because I happen to be one. Do we want to share your story with the site since you seem so keen to throw others under the bus?

Interesting. I heard this story in Zimbabwe but did not know if it was true or not. Can you provide details?

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Originally posted by bobmn:
Carson: Thanks for calling out a scumbag. Just a heads up. Standby for being blamed for this fraud by members of this site who hunted with a booking agent 30 years ago and had a good hunt so obviously you are at fault. Details please?

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by Cme:

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Originally posted by fairgame:
That is fraud and report him to the feds

Andrew, Is this really any different than you booking hunts in a closed concession in the Luangwa for a Lion and leopard and cancelling 30 days before your client leaves the states? I know that some of your clients haven’t received their refunds because I happen to be one. Do we want to share your story with the site since you seem so keen to throw others under the bus?

Interesting. I heard this story in Zimbabwe but did not know if it was true or not. Can you provide details?

Sure Larry, here goes.

In 2022, Andrew marketed a hunt on here for leopard in Chanjuzi in the Luangwa Valley. I quickly reached out and made plans to hunt a leopard in 2023. I signed that contract and paid an initial deposit in April 2022. After I returned from my safari in Zimbabwe last year I decided that I also wanted to hunt a lion in 2023. I chatted with Andrew and in October 2022 signed a new contract. I also decided that I wanted to take my dad to Africa with me. He suffers from Parkinson’s and has never hunted Africa. I subsequently added on my dad hunting buffalo and plains game with me. The contract for my dad’s hunt was sent and signed in April 2023. I have now come to find out that a contract should have never been sent and have been informed by the President of PHAZ that said contract is fraudulent. I sent deposits for my day rates with my final payment being made in April for the Lion and leopard as well as my dad’s buff hunt.

On June 15th I received a message on what’s app that the concession was closed for hunting. At that time I was assured that all would be resolved quickly. After a couple of days I decided that I need to look around for a replacement hunt. I reached out to a few outfitters that I knew and was able to find a replacement hunt for this year. I let Andrew and the outfitter know on June 26 that I would need all of the day rates back in order to book the replacement hunt. This request went unattended. Three more requests were made throughout the month of July with Andrew assuring me that all of his clients had been refunded. At that time I reminded him that I was the biggest hunt sold and had not received a refund.

On July 11th, I received a whats app message from the outfitter who informed me that he could send me back small increments of my days rates every 3-4 weeks. I reached out to Andrew to let him know what was relayed to me and asked for assistance. On July 29th, I received a whats app message from Andrew stating that he would be back from hunting in a couple of days and would work to resolve my situation then. (Hmm he is hunting July 29th…I was supposed to be hunting those dates). Was it a coincidence that another hunter was sold a hunt and booked to hunt my dates? Was this hunt sold before or after I found out about my hunt being canceled?

At that time, I let Andrew know that I had no other choice but to wait things out as I would not receive a refund in time to book another hunt. Andrew had always pushed me to wait it out, or said we can do it next year. As I explained to him, on multiple occasions, my dad wouldn’t be able to hunt next year in all likelihood. In August, I again requested a refund for the 5th time. I was informed by the outfitter that the money wasn’t available until he was able to gain control of the concession and resale hunts for next year.

As of today, I still have not received a dollar back, and I see a man that is championed as the beacon of Zambian still posting hunt reports and selling hunts to the good people of this site. While many of you have had good experiences with Andrew unfortunately my dealings have been closer to what the initial poster wrote about a different PH/outfitter than what other people on here have experienced.

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Originally posted by Cme:
Andrew you didn’t do me some big favor. You contacted me on a different forum, Africa Hunting, last October when I posted that I was looking for outfitters for a lion and leopard combo. You offered a fair price no doubt but that wasn’t a deciding factor, the species on quota drove my hunt decision. I could have booked anywhere in Africa. Remember Andrew the hunt was for my 40th birthday initially, then I added my dad. I stated above that you wanted to roll the hunt to next year. Again, my dad has Parkinson’s, he may not be able to go next year.

The fact still remains that you sold me a hunt that was never going to take place this year. After 5 times requesting my money nothing has been returned. You hunted with someone else over the dates you were scheduled to hunt with me. You are the PH in Zambia, when did you know that the concession was closed for hunting?

I’m not getting in an online pissing match. Everything I have said is factual and can be supported with documentation. When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

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When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

I will receive your apology later and have forwarded this content to the operator whom I spoke with this evening and will produce emails and WhatsApp correspondence relating to this issue. Your deposits will be repaid in full and I am sorry your Father is experiencing an illness.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Karma is a bitch.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Andrew,

Was the hunt going to be conducted by you on your concession, or by you on someone else's concession?

If that is the case, was the money paid to that concession owners, who are delaying the refund?

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

I will receive your apology later and have forwarded this content to the operator whom I spoke with this evening and will produce emails and WhatsApp correspondence relating to this issue. Your deposits will be repaid in full and I am sorry your Father is experiencing an illness.

This is interesting…..
I’ve seen the correspondence personally where he requested the refund on numerous occasions and Ibi didn’t have the money.
It’s unfortunate but also common sense that Ibi could refund, for example, a 10 k deposit for a Buffalo hunter or two (or whatever) but didn’t have the 80k to refund here (60k for one hunter and 20k for the father)
I saw where Ibi said he would have to break it up into chunks
Yeah..the hunt was offered to be rolled into next year, but the concern was the father (who I know) would almost certainly not be able to physically do the hunt

Bottom line is Ibi had expenses etc as he was hoping (and you) to do the hunts and the area would be opened and could not refund everyone’s money…period…so the “big money” (80k deposit) wasn’t on hand to be refunded
The small(er) money was refunded to others as pointed out

So the hunt was offered to be “potentially” done late season and could not be for two reasons
1) the area was not open to be hunted and I believe still not
2) even if it was available to be done the late season heat and Parkinson’s don’t go well together

He clearly asked for refunds on multiple occasions and never received one is the bottom line regardless of whether a rollover to next year (because the money wasn’t available)
No one was being nefarious…however hunts were sold in an area that couldn’t be hunted and the money wasn’t on had to refund everyone when they couldn’t be executed.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

I will receive your apology later and have forwarded this content to the operator whom I spoke with this evening and will produce emails and WhatsApp correspondence relating to this issue. Your deposits will be repaid in full and I am sorry your Father is experiencing an illness.

This is interesting…..
I’ve seen the correspondence personally where he requested the refund on numerous occasions and Ibi didn’t have the money.
It’s unfortunate but also common sense that Ibi could refund, for example, a 10 k deposit for a Buffalo hunter or two (or whatever) but didn’t have the 80k to refund here (60k for one hunter and 20k for the father)
I saw where Ibi said he would have to break it up into chunks
Yeah..the hunt was offered to be rolled into next year, but the concern was the father (who I know) would almost certainly not be able to physically do the hunt

Bottom line is Ibi had expenses etc as he was hoping (and you) to do the hunts and the area would be opened and could not refund everyone’s money…period…so the “big money” (80k deposit) wasn’t on hand to be refunded
The small(er) money was refunded to others as pointed out

So the hunt was offered to be “potentially” done late season and could not be for two reasons
1) the area was not open to be hunted and I believe still not
2) even if it was available to be done the late season heat and Parkinson’s don’t go well together

He clearly asked for refunds on multiple occasions and never received one is the bottom line regardless of whether a rollover to next year (because the money wasn’t available)
No one was being nefarious…however hunts were sold in an area that couldn’t be hunted and the money wasn’t on had to refund everyone when they couldn’t be executed.

I spoke to Ibi and he states he had corresponded with you recently I am not aware of the content but he did express his disappointment at this action however you have stated that he pledged to return your money albeit in part payments

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

I will receive your apology later and have forwarded this content to the operator whom I spoke with this evening and will produce emails and WhatsApp correspondence relating to this issue. Your deposits will be repaid in full and I am sorry your Father is experiencing an illness.

This is interesting…..
I’ve seen the correspondence personally where he requested the refund on numerous occasions and Ibi didn’t have the money.
It’s unfortunate but also common sense that Ibi could refund, for example, a 10 k deposit for a Buffalo hunter or two (or whatever) but didn’t have the 80k to refund here (60k for one hunter and 20k for the father)
I saw where Ibi said he would have to break it up into chunks
Yeah..the hunt was offered to be rolled into next year, but the concern was the father (who I know) would almost certainly not be able to physically do the hunt

Bottom line is Ibi had expenses etc as he was hoping (and you) to do the hunts and the area would be opened and could not refund everyone’s money…period…so the “big money” (80k deposit) wasn’t on hand to be refunded
The small(er) money was refunded to others as pointed out

So the hunt was offered to be “potentially” done late season and could not be for two reasons
1) the area was not open to be hunted and I believe still not
2) even if it was available to be done the late season heat and Parkinson’s don’t go well together

He clearly asked for refunds on multiple occasions and never received one is the bottom line regardless of whether a rollover to next year (because the money wasn’t available)
No one was being nefarious…however hunts were sold in an area that couldn’t be hunted and the money wasn’t on had to refund everyone when they couldn’t be executed.

I spoke to Ibi and he states he had corresponded with you recently I am not aware of the content but he did express his disappointment at this action however you have stated that he pledged to return your money albeit in part payments

Who is Ibi?

Why is he returning the money in parts?

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Originally posted by Michael Robinson:

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Originally posted by MJines:
Karma is a bitch.

Takes one to know one.

I know Andrew and would trust him with my life's savings.

Zambia concession closings and promised and pending re-openings have been and continue to be a nightmare.

The government has been beyond corrupt and incompetent on this issue.

Many innocents have been caught in the middle.

I am confident that this will be sorted out to the satisfaction of the complainant.

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by Kpoynter:

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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When my deposits are returned in full then I’ll let everyone on here know that as well.

I will receive your apology later and have forwarded this content to the operator whom I spoke with this evening and will produce emails and WhatsApp correspondence relating to this issue. Your deposits will be repaid in full and I am sorry your Father is experiencing an illness.

This is interesting…..
I’ve seen the correspondence personally where he requested the refund on numerous occasions and Ibi didn’t have the money.
It’s unfortunate but also common sense that Ibi could refund, for example, a 10 k deposit for a Buffalo hunter or two (or whatever) but didn’t have the 80k to refund here (60k for one hunter and 20k for the father)
I saw where Ibi said he would have to break it up into chunks
Yeah..the hunt was offered to be rolled into next year, but the concern was the father (who I know) would almost certainly not be able to physically do the hunt

Bottom line is Ibi had expenses etc as he was hoping (and you) to do the hunts and the area would be opened and could not refund everyone’s money…period…so the “big money” (80k deposit) wasn’t on hand to be refunded
The small(er) money was refunded to others as pointed out

So the hunt was offered to be “potentially” done late season and could not be for two reasons
1) the area was not open to be hunted and I believe still not
2) even if it was available to be done the late season heat and Parkinson’s don’t go well together

He clearly asked for refunds on multiple occasions and never received one is the bottom line regardless of whether a rollover to next year (because the money wasn’t available)
No one was being nefarious…however hunts were sold in an area that couldn’t be hunted and the money wasn’t on had to refund everyone when they couldn’t be executed.

I spoke to Ibi and he states he had corresponded with you recently I am not aware of the content but he did express his disappointment at this action however you have stated that he pledged to return your money albeit in part payments

Who is Ibi?

Why is he returning the money in parts?

The concession owner and not sure about the part payments but to date has refunded 100K plus to my other clients when the new injunction impacted on his concession