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Unlike a great many here, I prioritize my short list of things I give sh*% about, to not include this. It's a time management issue, pure and simple. I simply do not have enough time to follow the long list of poor decisions by TV hunters, let alone the endless list of screw ups by other hunters. I barely have enough time to make sure that I am not one of them.

If I was CB, I simply would not post here. I would remind CB of the legendary Tanzania PH. (The guy is known world wide for videoing animals suffering until they charge him in order to sell vids). You don't see him on here trying to explain this or that.

At some point everyone asks the question: Why do I care what someone else thinks?


However, you seem to care enough to post about it...

Absolving bad behavior by point out other bad behavior?

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Gentlemen :

Please recall that I was widely bashed on this matter as there being nothing to it.Obliviously,'there is more to this than the true believers ever want to admit.

While lots of the details are unclear, it is crystal that Pennicott Deliberately took CD and wife into an area he shouldn't knowing full well that this was going on TV.That tells me All I need to know about Pennicott.

Did CB know ? I have no idea.

CB was an idiot to start this thread to begin with. When the hero worshipers got their panties in a wad, the truth had to come out.
 
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It does speak to a pattern.
 
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I'm still trying to figure out what this lastest proves if anything. A letter from the authorities asking some questions and email talking about some pictures. Still does not prove that any wrong doing has incurred. Of course I am one to wait for all the facts to come out in a court of law not to have a trial by media or internet.


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When I go to Africa, or even Northern New Mexico, I have to trust that the guide/PH knows where we are and that we have a right to be there. I certainly don't.
 
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Originally posted by stradling:
Craig over the past 30 years

you have been a major component and force for restoration of African safari hunting

classic rifles

a good American

a major player in bringing hunting and hunting related products to us the hungry consumer

expect people to be small and with holding in regards to your contribution success and fame

most of us know who you are what you have done

and thank you for making this a better community and setting just the right example

consistently for about 35 years

in both your good times and the bad patches

so


Sorry,
I call BS. You don't get a pass in the legal system just for being Craig Boddington. If there were laws broken, there are consequences. We are a nation of laws.

Steve


Lots of the worshipped at the top take a tumble.....dont they Lance,dont they Marion,dont they Diego,dont they all it seems.



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Originally posted by stradling:
Craig over the past 30 years

you have been a major component and force for restoration of African safari hunting

classic rifles

a good American

a major player in bringing hunting and hunting related products to us the hungry consumer

expect people to be small and with holding in regards to your contribution success and fame

most of us know who you are what you have done

and thank you for making this a better community and setting just the right example

consistently for about 35 years

in both your good times and the bad patches

so


Sorry,
I call BS. You don't get a pass in the legal system just for being Craig Boddington. If there were laws broken, there are consequences. We are a nation of laws.

Steve


Lots of the worshipped at the top take a tumble.....dont they Lance,dont they Marion,dont they Diego,dont they all it seems.


You got that right...There are no more hero's.

I made my son a promise when he was born, I would never do anything or act in a way that would betray his trust or his disappoint him, in any way.

Just a sad place we have found ourselves in.

Steve


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How many times do folks need to be told . . . Boddington = Good, Sullivan = Bad, SCI = Bad, DSC = Good [Edited: Capstick = Bad, Pondoro = Mixed] . . . the sooner you get this right the better . . . and those that insist on injecting facts into these discussions, please, please, cease and desist.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.


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Mike,

You left out Capstick...

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Steve,

I care enough to try to give the non-rabid attackers, and non-rabid defenders a little opportunity to think about this and its importance in the "big picture". I further hope that CB would read it and consider taking my advice.

I feel obligated now to point out to one of the "mad dogs" that I was not excusing or comparing behavior. I think its clear as typed, that I would suggest to CB that you dont see MS on here defending himself, and that I think that is a wise strategy when compared to the course of action CB has chosen.

Dont loose sight of attacking CB by being drawn into wasted attacks on me or others.
 
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Steve,

I care enough to try to give the non-rabid attackers, and non-rabid defenders a little opportunity to think about this and its importance in the "big picture". I further hope that CB would read it and consider taking my advice.

I feel obligated now to point out to one of the "mad dogs" that I was not excusing or comparing behavior. I think its clear as typed, that I would suggest to CB that you dont see MS on here defending himself, and that I think that is a wise strategy when compared to the course of action CB has chosen.

Dont loose sight of attacking CB by being drawn into wasted attacks on me or others.


I went back and re-read it, I apologize and stand corrected. I just read it incorrectly.

I never attacked CB, just stated if laws were broken, there are consequences. No-one is above the law.

Merry Christmas,

Steve


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I think many, if not most, miss a key factor here. How many of us really know we are hunting where we are supposed to be. We rely on the outfitters we book with. This situation clearly points out the reliance on outfitters has risks. Sometimes even serious risks.
 
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quoting Christ here which I do not do often

to cast the first stone you almost half to have

never hunted

run a business

or even had the guts to take an active position on something meaningful in life

if you qualify grab a big rock


Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win----
 
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If nothing else this further proves that people with celebrity status should NEVER EVER post on a public website. This is what publicity/social media managers are for.

You just can't win on net and if your lively hood counts on your public persona the net is pure poison.



 
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If nothing else this further proves that people with celebrity status should NEVER EVER post on a public website. This is what publicity/social media managers are for.

You just can't win on net and if your lively hood counts on your public persona the net is pure poison.



I think the most important thing here is that any of us, should NEVER, EVER get involved with shady operators.

It does not make any difference who you are.


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Amen, Saeed, Amen.
 
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The site is great for weeding out crappy operators.

Regardless of ones views on CB, one thing from this thread is clear - anyone who books a hunt with Pennicott is taking on some serious imprudent risks.
 
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Lots of the worshipped at the top take a tumble.....dont they Lance,dont they Marion,dont they Diego,dont they all it seems.


There are people who lie and dope to get where they want,
..and there are people who are just dopes and end up in fruitless controversy.

the lucky ones get to profit from their controversy by signing exclusively with Oprah Winfrey... Big Grin
 
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Seriously, can't this thread die a natural death?
 
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A letter from the authorities asking some questions and email talking about some pictures. Still does not prove that any wrong doing has incurred.


DC:

Both documents are screaming about hunted Banteng, the photos are merely supporting evidence to the fact. Wink

The veiled accusation of having conducted illegal hunting activities in this instance is directed at Pennicott and not CB.
 
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If nothing else this further proves that people with celebrity status should NEVER EVER post on a public website. This is what publicity/social media managers are for.

You just can't win on net and if your lively hood counts on your public persona the net is pure poison.


I think the most important thing here is that any of us, should NEVER, EVER get involved with shady operators.

It does not make any difference who you are.


Who set up the hunt for him I wonder?



 
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Originally posted by surestrike:
If nothing else this further proves that people with celebrity status should NEVER EVER post on a public website. This is what publicity/social media managers are for.

You just can't win on net and if your lively hood counts on your public persona the net is pure poison.


I think the most important thing here is that any of us, should NEVER, EVER get involved with shady operators.

It does not make any difference who you are.


Who set up the hunt for him I wonder?


His BFF Conrad maybe?
 
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Seriously, can't this thread die a natural death?


No, it shouldn't.
When a "pillar" or "icon" of the hunting community has pulled the stunts, lived the lifestyle, and allowed his camp followers to do the same, he should be called out. Let me list a few reasons -

1. The California Rigby rifle facade. He supported and apparently backed a group that claimed to be making "original Rigby" rifles. I know first hand of the quality and what he was touting. He used a "discount" on one to get a discount hunt in Zambia. The quality on the surface was fine, but these were by no means original Rigby rifles.

2. Posing a daughter as a hunter. She makes a few hunts with dad, then goes after dangerous game and shoots the tracker. The video evidence was "disappeared", he tries to raise money for the medical expenses of the shot tracker by going on a hunt (donated) and offering one of the "wannabee" Rigby rifles as part of the deal. The full story never came out and never will.

3. The public break up with his TV guys. Again, Ivan Carter replaced him after a series of demands were not met? No details out there, but he left the best gig there is/was and left Fulson and Danklif in the lurch on this. I am sure there are a host of interested details not public.

4. Selling used clothes and claiming it was done by a good hearted buddy helping him make money. Get real.

5. Pandering the public for cash to operate his website. Get real.

6. Filing for bankruptcy and sending wife number 4 on an expensive brown bear hunt to Alaska. And, the bankruptcy filing making a partial list of assets with the rest "somewhere else"? In other words, he is stiffing his investors/partners/lenders while still playing the world trotting big game hunter.

7. The entire discussion of his military rank and service record. I think this got sorted but it should never have been an issue.

All in all, I am extremely disappointed in CB. I bought his DVDs and appreciate what he says. However, with all of the other escapades along with the events in Australia, I have lost respect for him and now listen to him with an educated ear.

Say it isn't so,please. But I fear it is.

If my statements above are false or not true - say so. Show me the truth if I have erred.

But do not ask me to ignore the obvious smoke and tell me there is no fire. Or, as my new Texas friends say, "don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining".
 
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Seriously, can't this thread die a natural death?


No, it shouldn't.
When a "pillar" or "icon" of the hunting community has pulled the stunts, lived the lifestyle, and allowed his camp followers to do the same, he should be called out. Let me list a few reasons -

1. The California Rigby rifle facade. He supported and apparently backed a group that claimed to be making "original Rigby" rifles. I know first hand of the quality and what he was touting. He used a "discount" on one to get a discount hunt in Zambia. The quality on the surface was fine, but these were by no means original Rigby rifles.

2. Posing a daughter as a hunter. She makes a few hunts with dad, then goes after dangerous game and shoots the tracker. The video evidence was "disappeared", he tries to raise money for the medical expenses of the shot tracker by going on a hunt (donated) and offering one of the "wannabee" Rigby rifles as part of the deal. The full story never came out and never will.

3. The public break up with his TV guys. Again, Ivan Carter replaced him after a series of demands were not met? No details out there, but he left the best gig there is/was and left Fulson and Danklif in the lurch on this. I am sure there are a host of interested details not public.

4. Selling used clothes and claiming it was done by a good hearted buddy helping him make money. Get real.

5. Pandering the public for cash to operate his website. Get real.

6. Filing for bankruptcy and sending wife number 4 on an expensive brown bear hunt to Alaska. And, the bankruptcy filing making a partial list of assets with the rest "somewhere else"? In other words, he is stiffing his investors/partners/lenders while still playing the world trotting big game hunter.

7. The entire discussion of his military rank and service record. I think this got sorted but it should never have been an issue.

All in all, I am extremely disappointed in CB. I bought his DVDs and appreciate what he says. However, with all of the other escapades along with the events in Australia, I have lost respect for him and now listen to him with an educated ear.

Say it isn't so,please. But I fear it is.

If my statements above are false or not true - say so. Show me the truth if I have erred.

But do not ask me to ignore the obvious smoke and tell me there is no fire. Or, as my new Texas friends say, "don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining".


Both Mr P and Mr B would surely be reading the daily additions added to this thread.One or either could put it to rest on here until the Game council mob up north do what they have to do.
And on reading the whole thread again it seems that there is indeed a bit of shit that is sticking.



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everyone of us is 50 shades of grey
Nobody is 100% honest ever and nobody is 100% dishonest
nothing but human=fallible to temptations
That's my 2 cents
Picking on CB means skeletons in closet in our own world


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Vinny I totally agree!

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Seriously, can't this thread die a natural death?


No, it shouldn't.
When a "pillar" or "icon" of the hunting community has pulled the stunts, lived the lifestyle, and allowed his camp followers to do the same, he should be called out. Let me list a few reasons -

1. The California Rigby rifle facade. He supported and apparently backed a group that claimed to be making "original Rigby" rifles. I know first hand of the quality and what he was touting. He used a "discount" on one to get a discount hunt in Zambia. The quality on the surface was fine, but these were by no means original Rigby rifles.

2. Posing a daughter as a hunter. She makes a few hunts with dad, then goes after dangerous game and shoots the tracker. The video evidence was "disappeared", he tries to raise money for the medical expenses of the shot tracker by going on a hunt (donated) and offering one of the "wannabee" Rigby rifles as part of the deal. The full story never came out and never will.

3. The public break up with his TV guys. Again, Ivan Carter replaced him after a series of demands were not met? No details out there, but he left the best gig there is/was and left Fulson and Danklif in the lurch on this. I am sure there are a host of interested details not public.

4. Selling used clothes and claiming it was done by a good hearted buddy helping him make money. Get real.

5. Pandering the public for cash to operate his website. Get real.

6. Filing for bankruptcy and sending wife number 4 on an expensive brown bear hunt to Alaska. And, the bankruptcy filing making a partial list of assets with the rest "somewhere else"? In other words, he is stiffing his investors/partners/lenders while still playing the world trotting big game hunter.

7. The entire discussion of his military rank and service record. I think this got sorted but it should never have been an issue.

All in all, I am extremely disappointed in CB. I bought his DVDs and appreciate what he says. However, with all of the other escapades along with the events in Australia, I have lost respect for him and now listen to him with an educated ear.

Say it isn't so,please. But I fear it is.

If my statements above are false or not true - say so. Show me the truth if I have erred.

But do not ask me to ignore the obvious smoke and tell me there is no fire. Or, as my new Texas friends say, "don't pee on my leg and tell me it is raining".
 
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What is the story on the hunt/gun auctioned to help Punki? Who was the winner? Did the hunt take place?

I don't recall seeing it on TV but that means nothing .
 
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It is a pattern of irresponsible living.

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yep, if you are going to live high on the hog, sooner or later you have to pay for the pork loin.


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yep, if you are going to live high on the hog, sooner or later you have to pay for the pork loin.


Unless you file chapter 7.
 
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The veiled accusation of having conducted illegal hunting activities in this instance is directed at Pennicott and not CB.


Craig Boddington did not shoot a Banteng whilst being guided by Pennicott.
It was actually Mrs.Boddington that shot a Banteng under the guidance of Pennicott.

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Third, and by far most important, somewhere in the thread someone stated something like
"an Australian outfitter told me that Boddington did an illegal hunt in Australia."


Realistically speaking, Its quite possible that a Boddington may well have been involved in such an act.
 
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In reality that may not be the whole truth either.

Only those that were there know what went on in the field.



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The hunt was televised on an episode of The Boddington Experience. As I recall, Ms Boddington as well as a gentleman other than Mr. Boddington both shot banteng.
 
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I'm with Vinny. CB's record speaks for itself I'm afraid.
 
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yep, if you are going to live high on the hog, sooner or later you have to pay for the pork loin.


Unless you file chapter 7.

you are right, Larry- there is always that way to stiff your creditors. and exactly how can you send your wife on a very expensive bear hunt AFTER YOU KNOW THE MONEY IS GONE?????


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yep, if you are going to live high on the hog, sooner or later you have to pay for the pork loin.


Unless you file chapter 7.

you are right, Larry- there is always that way to stiff your creditors. and exactly how can you send your wife on a very expensive bear hunt AFTER YOU KNOW THE MONEY IS GONE?????


That is just so romantic.


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and exactly how can you send your wife on a very expensive bear hunt AFTER YOU KNOW THE MONEY IS GONE?????


I may be way off on this but it seems to me that all the hunting the Boddingtons have been doing for the past few years has been for the camera/production of hunting shows. This is how the have made their living, correct? It would seem that they have to keep going on "expensive" hunts if they want to keep producing a product and making a living. And when it comes right down to it, the cost of that "very expensive bear hunt" was probably a drop in the bucket compared to the total production cost of the hunting show that featured said hunt.

Unrelated to JDollar's post..... I am curious about the guys who are decrying Boddington taking the "weasels way out" of debt by filing for bankruptcy: How many of you guys defended our government's bail-outs of banks/automakers/and homeowners over the past decade. I'm just curious.


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Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

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Jason:

To a certain extent, you are correct. What is puzzling(bothersome) is how a bankruptcy filing is made showing an income of $x and liquid assets of $y. Shortly after the filing, numerous trips are taken which cost far more than $x and $y combined. As I recall, at least 2 trips to Africa, 1 to Alaska, Australia and Europe. It is pretty much impossible to fund given the assets/ income reported in the filing. At minimum, it should make one wonder just how this was accomplished.

As for your other question, personally I was against all of the bailouts except for AIG. AIG impacted every single person in this country whether they realize it or not.

Kari's issue is with Pennicott. I have a hard time thinking anything other than Karl has every right to be pissed. After all, this was all done in Karl's area. It amounts to nothing more than poaching. Pure and simple.

Given that this was filmed for TV (aired on The Boddington Experience), Pennicott was downright stupid to pull this stunt off. To me that is unimaginable. Did CB know? I have no idea. I SUSPECT that he did NOT know as his answer to the authorities named Karl's area.

Once again, I think we all rely on the outfitters we book with to conduct a hunt in areas for which they have all legal authorizations necessary . This entire episode points out that this reliance may well be misplaced. We need to do something to protect ourselves against unknowingly participating in illegal hunts. It can cause big problems.
 
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Larry

It seems obvious that CB, who filed personal bankruptcy, can truthfully list what he did and still go on expensive hunts if another entity paid. Am I wrong? Why assume impropriety? I assume only that he is taking advantage of this poorly run and managed country. Nothing more.

The bailout of AIG was seen as necessary to avoid a massive short term impact. The problem is that humans, especially human society does not learn or change for the better without a painful kick in the nuts. That bailout guaranteed another down the road.

As too outfitted, especially foreign hunts, I believe it is reasonable to rely on outfitters to be hunting in a legit area and by legit means. To start down the path where we hunters are 100% or equally responsible, means that not only do I have to go through all the BS of getting out and back into this currently Mickey Mouse country, but I have to hire lawyers here and in the foreign country to advise as to the legalities of the hunt. Even then I am in trouble if there is a violation. I think it would make more sense to place the liability squarely on the outfitter for selling a illegal product. The hunter should be considered a victim. Obviously that's not true now, but it would be better. It would punish the one without limiting the client base for the decent outfitters.
 
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An AIG bankruptcy given the business they did in credit default swaps with financial institutions of all shapes and sizes would have been a disaster. It would have made the Lehman bankrupcty look like a pimple on the butt of an elephant. I forget the percentage of CDS business that AIG did at the time for the sector, but it was massive.


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