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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Larry:

I have no idea whether this applies here, but I remember hearing about a case wherein an Australian outfitter sued the Northern Land Council for defamation and won a big settlement. One of the findings in that case, I heard, was that the NLC's permission was not needed to hunt on an indigenous landowner's land, only the permission of the landowner. Could it be that this outfitter had a landowner's permission to take his banteng hunters there?

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by larryshores:

My understanding is that 2 entities can legAlly hunt banteng. One is Karl Goodhand. The other is a privately owned herd at Mary River or something like that.

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
"Embrace the Suck"


That's just what everyone is having to do here.

1) No one, not AIG, Craig Boddington, all the other dozens of bankrupt banks, me personally, or any of you, deserve the right to file for bankruptcy. But that is not the American Way. We have bankruptcy laws in place that provides for the alleviation of bad decisions on the part of the bankruptor, the alleviation of bad decisions on those who lended to the bankruptor, and so that the American economy continues to move in a positive direction with the least amount of harm to all involved.

2) As a reminder, no one, not Larry Shores, Mike Jines, the Australian outfitter that claims his rights have been violated, or the Australian Government itself, has filed any charges against Craig Boddington, Donna Boddington, or anyone else associated with the aforementioned hunt.

3) This is all about character assassination, as no evidence has been shown otherwise regarding CB's or his wife's participation in an illegal event, and those accusers continue to talk about unsubtantiated events.

4) If there were substantiated violatons of the law, then by this time, warrants would have been issued, and arrests would have been made. As CB stated in his early post on this thread, the Australian authorities have not found any wrongdoing, and have not made any legitimate charges.

5) This still boils down to competing outfitters in Australia in a pissing contest with one another, and Larry Shores continued effort to destroy Craig Boddington. I still say there's a quid pro quo there.

6) To Larry S., Mike J., Trax, and others who wish to destroy CB, then your efforts probably have been effective, if not in fact, but in the old adage, "Tell a lie a hundred times, and it becomes the truth". You have accomplished your mission. Congrats. Well done.

7) Thank God, I don't have to interact with you guys on a personal basis. That Would Suck.

"Enbrace the Suck"

Wow! Brother, you need to wake up.

First off NONE of this would have ever happened except for an ill advised effort to raise money for a website and attempting to sell dirty shirts. Last time I checked, that was CB's decision. Further, if CB had not started the illegal hunting thread , none of this information would not have come out . This action was, once again, I'll advised .

I didn't start the bankruptcy discussions in spite of the fact that I knew MONTHS before it ever hit AR. What part of those disclosures is not factual? Did be or did he not make a chapter 7 filing? He is most certainly entitled to make such a filing under our laws. Have you read the filing? I have. I see things which I question. This obviously doesn't mean that the filing are incorrect.

As far as the alleged illegal hunt , do you think the letter from the Australian authorities is not real? I will tell you one thing. I have been on a hell of a lot of international hunts all over the world . Granted, no where as many as CB. However, not once EVER have I received an inquiry from the authorities in the countries I hunted. CB has. If you will take the time to read my posts you will see that I wrote that I didn't believe CB knew this was an illegal hunt. Do you think the authorities sent the letter to Pennicott due to Karl being jealous? If you do, I think you are sadly mistaken.

I will agree with you on one thing. Some problem tell themselves something long enough that they believe it.

Wow, I'm awake, and I still don't see any credible reason for your involvement in this event. ????? I don't know you personally, I'm sure we would get along just fine, but your obsession with this needs to halt. Stop. It does you and your friends no good.

Do you think you're going to get the Congressional Medal of Honor for bashing your hunting brethren, even if there is something fishy.

Not in my mind. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.

As an outsider who has absolutely nothing to do with this very sad episode.

A hunt was conducted which was thought to have been done illegally.

It was filmed and shown on TV.

I assume - and still believe - neither Craig or his wife was aware of it being conducted illegally.

Penicot either knew full well what he was doing, or might have made a mistake of hunting in an area he was not supposed to.

Someone found out about this and notified the authorities.

The authorities at least looked into it.

We as the general hunting public found out all this, and are discussing it, as each of us think MIGHT have happened.

I don't see anyone putting the blame squarely on CB or his wife. They were both there, they did participate in an alleged hunt.

But, ultimately, the blame is 100% falls on the outfitter who conducted the hunt.

And I am very glad this has come out.

Because at least some of us, who might consider hunting in that part of the world, would have the choice of avoiding that outfitter.

I certainly would not, ever, consider hunting with any outfitter who I hear about getting involved in any illegal activity.

CB has fallen on hard times, and I am very sorry to see it happen to him.

But trying to blame that on anyone else here as things are being discussed is totally wrong.

As an aside, I understand that he has an ongoing legal issues with others who might post here.

None have posted anything which is not publicly available - including CB bankruptcy filing.

And having that brainless nutter Conrad, who thinks we are all "douchenozzels" getting involved in all this does not help matter either.

I am very sad to see Conrad disappear from here, as he promised to teach us a few things to bring us up to speed into the real world.

I was looking forward to getting a few lessons to enlighten us.

For those who miss Conrad, here is what he said.

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Originally posted by ConradEvarts:
Greetings.

Firstly, thanks to the folks who withheld judgement and showed respect to Craig Boddington. He's a great guy, friend, father, hunter and veteran. I was trying to do something nice for him by creating the indiegogo.com campaign and the subsequent website.

This is Conrad Evarts. A cameraman who you can Google and find out much of my professional background. Novel idea right? Instead of just gazing wet eyed into this clunky, outdated website populated by graybearded paranoids who don't realize the internet evolved. No, seriously this website sucks The fact that you nuts are on here gives me a great deal of insight into your mindset.

School is now in session. Let's start by taking our tinfoil hats off and putting our thinking caps on. Hopefully when we're done the paranoids here can get their nurse to administer their meds, put them to bed and unplug their computers and the rest of the haters can return to their bunkers to polish their 30,000 rounds of ammo.

I am real. I was trying to do something nice for someone I respect. Craig Boddington was not terribly savvy on my effort because he spends all his time in the boonies but trusted me to try and make this work.

More importantly, outside of your antiquated worlds crowd funding sites like www.indiegogo.com and www.kickstarter.com are very acceptable ways to raise money for business endeavors. There are many for profit businesses using them. These include everything from musicians and movie studios to bakeries and websites.

Set down your tattered Jack O'Connor bible, get in a friggin' time machine and blast yourself to 2013. All sorts of businesses are using crowd funding. It's not strange at all.

So, in conclusion:
-I am real. Google me.
-This was not a scam and is totally normal these days.
-Craig Boddington was not entirely savvy because he is of your generation. This was not his fault and besides that if it wasn't for you crusty old haters this would be totally cool and worked and created something great for a new generation of hunters.
-Craig Boddington did not take a vow of poverty to be who he is. If someone like me can help him raise money to create a site that would only be judged by a total commie.

If you don't like the idea of me raising funds to put together a totally positive and interesting website as a favor to a friend you don't have to contribute to it.

Craig asked me to disable the campaign. I did so out of respect for him not to placate you blood sucking, paranoid savages. You haters are pathetic.

And "Lonestar 2075"...Tim, I know who you are. You know who I am. I've been to your crappy little shop in Texas to repair an episode your operation screwed the pooch on years ago. You're a coward and an embarrassment. Grow a pair and put your name up.

Finally, I've stepped in the ring with you ladies now. Go warm up a stack of Hot Pockets and get your mommy to ice down your 12 pack of Mountain Dew because I don't tangle on the internet often but when I do, it isn't pretty.


Thanks again to everyone who showed respect to Craig. I meant what I said, I spent a great deal of time with him in the field. I respect him and he's a good person.

Sincerely,

Conrad Evarts (proud friend of Craig Boddington)
===================

Anyone who does not fit in Conrad's description of us above, please this site, you are in the wrong company

Saeed,

In all due respect to you as the owner of this forum and as a reknown hunter, this is far more than your post has explained. Larry Shores has made it his personal mission to destroy CB regardless of facts or gentlemanly efforts to police our own within the hunting community.

We all have fallen short of the ultimate goals in life. I don't personally know Larry, but I assure you, just as I can assure you of myself, we both have failed on many occasions in life. Anyone who claims otherwise is just a liar.

My problem is that he has taken his personal grievances and made it national on this forum. And I might remind all, that Larry's accusations regarding Australia is totally heresay, no charges ever filed, yet he continues to make this an issue.

Once, if ever, charges are filed, then Larry can speak up; otherwise, shut the f--k up, and have some GD respect for your hunting brethren.

There is some kind of personal vendetta Larry has for Craig, I don't get it, but's it's obvious.

We have to stop cannibalizing our own. If they have been "PROVEN" to do something in violaton of the hunting statutes, then yes, we should donounce them.

But it appears Larry is seeking hard to find a way to discredit CB. And in my eyes, he is discrediting himself in the effort. And I am hearing the same from fellow hunters all over.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by billrquimby:
Larry:

I have no idea whether this applies here, but I remember hearing about a case wherein an Australian outfitter sued the Northern Land Council for defamation and won a big settlement. One of the findings in that case, I heard, was that the NLC's permission was not needed to hunt on an indigenous landowner's land, only the permission of the landowner. Could it be that this outfitter had a landowner's permission to take his banteng hunters there?

Bill Quimby

Bill the Commonwealth law has changed again since then and you cannot commercially hunt on the aboriginal landowners permission alone - doubly so if that area is already covered by an existing safari permit - because then you would be creating a conflict - as we see here now.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by mdstewart:
"Embrace the Suck"


That's just what everyone is having to do here.

1) No one, not AIG, Craig Boddington, all the other dozens of bankrupt banks, me personally, or any of you, deserve the right to file for bankruptcy. But that is not the American Way. We have bankruptcy laws in place that provides for the alleviation of bad decisions on the part of the bankruptor, the alleviation of bad decisions on those who lended to the bankruptor, and so that the American economy continues to move in a positive direction with the least amount of harm to all involved.

2) As a reminder, no one, not Larry Shores, Mike Jines, the Australian outfitter that claims his rights have been violated, or the Australian Government itself, has filed any charges against Craig Boddington, Donna Boddington, or anyone else associated with the aforementioned hunt.

3) This is all about character assassination, as no evidence has been shown otherwise regarding CB's or his wife's participation in an illegal event, and those accusers continue to talk about unsubtantiated events.

4) If there were substantiated violatons of the law, then by this time, warrants would have been issued, and arrests would have been made. As CB stated in his early post on this thread, the Australian authorities have not found any wrongdoing, and have not made any legitimate charges.

5) This still boils down to competing outfitters in Australia in a pissing contest with one another, and Larry Shores continued effort to destroy Craig Boddington. I still say there's a quid pro quo there.

6) To Larry S., Mike J., Trax, and others who wish to destroy CB, then your efforts probably have been effective, if not in fact, but in the old adage, "Tell a lie a hundred times, and it becomes the truth". You have accomplished your mission. Congrats. Well done.

7) Thank God, I don't have to interact with you guys on a personal basis. That Would Suck.

"Enbrace the Suck"

Wow! Brother, you need to wake up.

First off NONE of this would have ever happened except for an ill advised effort to raise money for a website and attempting to sell dirty shirts. Last time I checked, that was CB's decision. Further, if CB had not started the illegal hunting thread , none of this information would not have come out . This action was, once again, I'll advised .

I didn't start the bankruptcy discussions in spite of the fact that I knew MONTHS before it ever hit AR. What part of those disclosures is not factual? Did be or did he not make a chapter 7 filing? He is most certainly entitled to make such a filing under our laws. Have you read the filing? I have. I see things which I question. This obviously doesn't mean that the filing are incorrect.

As far as the alleged illegal hunt , do you think the letter from the Australian authorities is not real? I will tell you one thing. I have been on a hell of a lot of international hunts all over the world . Granted, no where as many as CB. However, not once EVER have I received an inquiry from the authorities in the countries I hunted. CB has. If you will take the time to read my posts you will see that I wrote that I didn't believe CB knew this was an illegal hunt. Do you think the authorities sent the letter to Pennicott due to Karl being jealous? If you do, I think you are sadly mistaken.

I will agree with you on one thing. Some problem tell themselves something long enough that they believe it.

Wow, I'm awake, and I still don't see any credible reason for your involvement in this event. ????? I don't know you personally, I'm sure we would get along just fine, but your obsession with this needs to halt. Stop. It does you and your friends no good.

Do you think you're going to get the Congressional Medal of Honor for bashing your hunting brethren, even if there is something fishy.

Not in my mind. I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you.

As an outsider who has absolutely nothing to do with this very sad episode.

A hunt was conducted which was thought to have been done illegally.

It was filmed and shown on TV.

I assume - and still believe - neither Craig or his wife was aware of it being conducted illegally.

Penicot either knew full well what he was doing, or might have made a mistake of hunting in an area he was not supposed to.

Someone found out about this and notified the authorities.

The authorities at least looked into it.

We as the general hunting public found out all this, and are discussing it, as each of us think MIGHT have happened.

I don't see anyone putting the blame squarely on CB or his wife. They were both there, they did participate in an alleged hunt.

But, ultimately, the blame is 100% falls on the outfitter who conducted the hunt.

And I am very glad this has come out.

Because at least some of us, who might consider hunting in that part of the world, would have the choice of avoiding that outfitter.

I certainly would not, ever, consider hunting with any outfitter who I hear about getting involved in any illegal activity.

CB has fallen on hard times, and I am very sorry to see it happen to him.

But trying to blame that on anyone else here as things are being discussed is totally wrong.

As an aside, I understand that he has an ongoing legal issues with others who might post here.

None have posted anything which is not publicly available - including CB bankruptcy filing.

And having that brainless nutter Conrad, who thinks we are all "douchenozzels" getting involved in all this does not help matter either.

I am very sad to see Conrad disappear from here, as he promised to teach us a few things to bring us up to speed into the real world.

I was looking forward to getting a few lessons to enlighten us.

For those who miss Conrad, here is what he said.

=========

Originally posted by ConradEvarts:
Greetings.

Firstly, thanks to the folks who withheld judgement and showed respect to Craig Boddington. He's a great guy, friend, father, hunter and veteran. I was trying to do something nice for him by creating the indiegogo.com campaign and the subsequent website.

This is Conrad Evarts. A cameraman who you can Google and find out much of my professional background. Novel idea right? Instead of just gazing wet eyed into this clunky, outdated website populated by graybearded paranoids who don't realize the internet evolved. No, seriously this website sucks The fact that you nuts are on here gives me a great deal of insight into your mindset.

School is now in session. Let's start by taking our tinfoil hats off and putting our thinking caps on. Hopefully when we're done the paranoids here can get their nurse to administer their meds, put them to bed and unplug their computers and the rest of the haters can return to their bunkers to polish their 30,000 rounds of ammo.

I am real. I was trying to do something nice for someone I respect. Craig Boddington was not terribly savvy on my effort because he spends all his time in the boonies but trusted me to try and make this work.

More importantly, outside of your antiquated worlds crowd funding sites like www.indiegogo.com and www.kickstarter.com are very acceptable ways to raise money for business endeavors. There are many for profit businesses using them. These include everything from musicians and movie studios to bakeries and websites.

Set down your tattered Jack O'Connor bible, get in a friggin' time machine and blast yourself to 2013. All sorts of businesses are using crowd funding. It's not strange at all.

So, in conclusion:
-I am real. Google me.
-This was not a scam and is totally normal these days.
-Craig Boddington was not entirely savvy because he is of your generation. This was not his fault and besides that if it wasn't for you crusty old haters this would be totally cool and worked and created something great for a new generation of hunters.
-Craig Boddington did not take a vow of poverty to be who he is. If someone like me can help him raise money to create a site that would only be judged by a total commie.

If you don't like the idea of me raising funds to put together a totally positive and interesting website as a favor to a friend you don't have to contribute to it.

Craig asked me to disable the campaign. I did so out of respect for him not to placate you blood sucking, paranoid savages. You haters are pathetic.

And "Lonestar 2075"...Tim, I know who you are. You know who I am. I've been to your crappy little shop in Texas to repair an episode your operation screwed the pooch on years ago. You're a coward and an embarrassment. Grow a pair and put your name up.

Finally, I've stepped in the ring with you ladies now. Go warm up a stack of Hot Pockets and get your mommy to ice down your 12 pack of Mountain Dew because I don't tangle on the internet often but when I do, it isn't pretty.


Thanks again to everyone who showed respect to Craig. I meant what I said, I spent a great deal of time with him in the field. I respect him and he's a good person.

Sincerely,

Conrad Evarts (proud friend of Craig Boddington)
===================

Anyone who does not fit in Conrad's description of us above, please this site, you are in the wrong company

Saeed,

In all due respect to you as the owner of this forum and as a reknown hunter, this is far more than your post has explained. Larry Shores has made it his personal mission to destroy CB regardless of facts or gentlemanly efforts to police our own within the hunting community.

We all have fallen short of the ultimate goals in life. I don't personally know Larry, but I assure you, just as I can assure you of myself, we both have failed on many occasions in life. Anyone who claims otherwise is just a liar.

My problem is that he has taken his personal grievances and made it national on this forum. And I might remind all, that Larry's accusations regarding Australia is totally heresay, no charges ever filed, yet he continues to make this an issue.

Once, if ever, charges are filed, then Larry can speak up; otherwise, shut the f--k up, and have some GD respect for your hunting brethren.

There is some kind of personal vendetta Larry has for Craig, I don't get it, but's it's obvious.

We have to stop cannibalizing our own. If they have been "PROVEN" to do something in violaton of the hunting statutes, then yes, we should donounce them.

But it appears Larry is seeking hard to find a way to discredit CB. And in my eyes, he is discrediting himself in the effort. And I am hearing the same from fellow hunters all over.

MD:

No one on AR will destroy CB any more than someone who criticizes sports stars on ESPN will destroy LeBronJames.

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Originally posted by jdollar:
actually, i am not buying your shit. in numerous past posts, Larry's info has been straight up factual.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Gentlemen,

I assure you that all of us wish we had Mr. Shores reputation. It damn sure does't need saving.

Jeff

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Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
Well, I don't know too much about all this other stuff - but I do know Larry Shores pretty well. He is a stand-up guy, helpful to others (as he has been to me) honest, successful (good for him) experienced hunter, and generous for causes he believes in (i.e - Stu Taylor) Pretty hard to say a bad word about the guy, IMO. Frankly, guys like Larry help all of us do what we love to do. And no, he's NEVER booked a hunt with me, ever!

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:
MD:

Actually, you and I prove my point perfectly. Suppose the hunt conducted by Pennicott was illegal. Fine. I personally don't hold CB accountable because you pay an outfitter to conduct legal hunts. I know I trust the outfitter for everything. Now, if you know the guy is conducting is conducting illegal hunts, that is completely different. But it defies reason and common sense that CB would book a hunt knowing it was illegal. So even if P was conducting hunts illegally, I personally don't hold CB accountable, just as I don't hold him accountable for his daughter's conduct.

I mentioned LeBron James, but an even more controversial figure is Tiger Woods. The guy slept around with a ton of women. The golf world still loves the guy, even if they have no respect for his personal conduct. All of the negative content on the web and in other forms of media didn't derail his career. In fact, many in the black community throw the race card around when Woods is criticized, just like many here, you included, throw around the jealousy card.

BK is not an ordinary event in most people's lives. Before you toss it around as a non event, read the filing. You might change your mind. CB owes money to those in the hunting community (does that qualify as eating your own?) and more than one mortgage that he apparently doesn't want to pay. Yet he wanted keep both his California house and his Kansas place and walk away from his debts. Is it legal? I don't know; I am not a lawyer. Is it fair to the rest of us? Hell no.

CB could write books from now until the day he dies based on his achievements to date. Insolvency doesn't happen overnight. This guy made a conscious decision to spend money he knew he owed other people and he spent it on hunting.

You keep talking about lies, but there are certain facts here that you don't see as relevant about his character, just as many don't see Tiger's actions as having anything to do with golf. And that is your right.

It is good that if Pennicott is conducting illegal hunts that we know about it so we can book with others who conduct themselves accordingly. And if he is, then maybe CB can write a story about who we shouldn't go hunting with. But then we have never seen that before from him or anyone else in the outdoor media, have we?

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Originally posted by mdstewart:

First, an apology to CB would be in order, privately. Second, an apology to this forum would also be in order.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

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I hope to someday meet Larry. I sure we would get along just fine,, as do most hunters. It's time for the character assasinations of our hunting celebrities to stop, and that includes Mark Sullivan. We can learn a lot from these folks if we open our eyes, and listen.

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Originally posted by MJines:
Larry does not owe Craig a damn thing, least of all an apology. That is just absurd. Craig started this thread for heaven's sake.

How about you be forthcoming with some information? To come on here and suggest that I had "dozens of contacts" with folks that share my view, how about naming names? Or better yet, where are their posts? To hide behind some notion of just asserting I have talked to "dozens" of people and I am right, is bull hockey.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
May be Zahir Mulla and Pennicott should start a new safari company?

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
May be Zahir Mulla and Pennicott should start a new safari company?

Screw You Safaris?

Jeff

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Originally posted by larryshores:

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:

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Originally posted by Saeed:
May be Zahir Mulla and Pennicott should start a new safari company?

Screw You Safaris?

Jeff

eezridr
one of us
posted 01 December 2013 05:08 Hide Post
May be opening a can of worms with assumptions (not good) but it could be that CB took fiscal responsibility for the accident that occurred while his daughter was leopard hunting. That could have been a significant sum.
Let me say it is nothing more than an assumption.

I think "You Will Be Screwed Safaris" would be appropriate especially for Zahir. Or how about Z LAST. Zahir's Lost Australian Safari Tours.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

Saeed,

If you want to critique their hunting styles (CB and MS), and lend some credence to how those styles agree or disagree with your norm, I see no problem with that.

But when one makes allegations of illegal hunting before the charges have been made, then there's no place for it here on AR. We could accuse one another of hunting violations all the time without formal charges, and in fact damage one another in the act.

If you want to criticize CB for selling t-shirts, that's appropriate. If you want to challenge his technique for leopard hunting, that's also appropriate. What is not appropriate is to make accusations of illegal hunting activities against anyone until legal authorities have filed charges and the exact facts of the case has been found credible in court.

As the owner of this forum, you should not tolerate that in an effort to protect hunters around the world from being convicted in the AR court before real charges have been filed by the real authorities.

Please put a stop to this. I know you want this to be a free flowing forum of information. But unsubstantiated charges against one of our own is not a free flow of information. That is trial by AR. Please put a stop to this. Craig may be guilty of any and all of the issues suggested in this thread, but we should wait until the authorities have made their final decision to weigh in on it. No one gets bonus points for bringing these issues to our attention, especially when there are no formal charges filed.

And to those who want to know of the dozens I have communicated with, there are dozens in the two hunt leases I am a member of, SCI here locally (all of whom think CB is a great guy), my family who are hunters from birth, and my business associates who don't want anything to do with MJ (they despise attorneys). If you have a history in military service, then they might give you the light of day. So f--k you.

One of our SCI members, who is a top rated gunsmith nationally, and has an autographed photo of CB at the entrance to his shop, thinks you CB haters are off your rocks. The number of you who are CB haters are far overwhelmed by those who continue to read Petersens, buy his books and videos, and have been educated by him for 20 years. So just because you have a couple of youtube videos, that doesn't make you a hunting legend.

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Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

Saeed,

If you want to critique their hunting styles (CB and MS), and lend some credence to how those styles agree or disagree with your norm, I see no problem with that.

But when one makes allegations of illegal hunting before the charges have been made, then there's no place for it here on AR. We could accuse one another of hunting violations all the time without formal charges, and in fact damage one another in the act.

If you want to criticize CB for selling t-shirts, that's appropriate. If you want to challenge his technique for leopard hunting, that's also appropriate. What is not appropriate is to make accusations of illegal hunting activities against anyone until legal authorities have filed charges and the exact facts of the case has been found credible in court.

As the owner of this forum, you should not tolerate that in an effort to protect hunters around the world from being convicted in the AR court before real charges have been filed by the real authorities.

Please put a stop to this. I know you want this to be a free flowing forum of information. But unsubstantiated charges against one of our own is not a free flow of information. That is trial by AR. Please put a stop to this. Craig may be guilty of any and all of the issues suggested in this thread, but we should wait until the authorities have made their final decision to weigh in on it. No one gets bonus points for bringing these issues to our attention, especially when there are no formal charges filed.

And to those who want to know of the dozens I have communicated with, there are dozens in the two hunt leases I am a member of, SCI here locally (all of whom think CB is a great guy), my family who are hunters from birth, and my business associates who don't want anything to do with MJ (they despise attorneys). If you have a history in military service, then they might give you the light of day. So f--k you.

One of our SCI members, who is a top rated gunsmith nationally, and has an autographed photo of CB at the entrance to his shop, thinks you CB haters are off your rocks. The number of you who are CB haters are far overwhelmed by those who continue to read Petersens, buy his books and videos, and have been educated by him for 20 years. So just because you have a couple of youtube videos, that doesn't make you a hunting legend.

Both CB and Pennicott are free to post THEIR version of events.

What has been posted are reports of illegal activities by both, and proof is provided by copies from the relevant government department.

If this is untrue, both CB and Pennicott should stand up and say what they wish to say.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

Saeed,

If you want to critique their hunting styles (CB and MS), and lend some credence to how those styles agree or disagree with your norm, I see no problem with that.

But when one makes allegations of illegal hunting before the charges have been made, then there's no place for it here on AR. We could accuse one another of hunting violations all the time without formal charges, and in fact damage one another in the act.

If you want to criticize CB for selling t-shirts, that's appropriate. If you want to challenge his technique for leopard hunting, that's also appropriate. What is not appropriate is to make accusations of illegal hunting activities against anyone until legal authorities have filed charges and the exact facts of the case has been found credible in court.

As the owner of this forum, you should not tolerate that in an effort to protect hunters around the world from being convicted in the AR court before real charges have been filed by the real authorities.

Please put a stop to this. I know you want this to be a free flowing forum of information. But unsubstantiated charges against one of our own is not a free flow of information. That is trial by AR. Please put a stop to this. Craig may be guilty of any and all of the issues suggested in this thread, but we should wait until the authorities have made their final decision to weigh in on it. No one gets bonus points for bringing these issues to our attention, especially when there are no formal charges filed.

And to those who want to know of the dozens I have communicated with, there are dozens in the two hunt leases I am a member of, SCI here locally (all of whom think CB is a great guy), my family who are hunters from birth, and my business associates who don't want anything to do with MJ (they despise attorneys). If you have a history in military service, then they might give you the light of day. So f--k you.

One of our SCI members, who is a top rated gunsmith nationally, and has an autographed photo of CB at the entrance to his shop, thinks you CB haters are off your rocks. The number of you who are CB haters are far overwhelmed by those who continue to read Petersens, buy his books and videos, and have been educated by him for 20 years. So just because you have a couple of youtube videos, that doesn't make you a hunting legend.

Both CB and Pennicott are free to post THEIR version of events.

What has been posted are reports of illegal activities by both, and proof is provided by copies from the relevant government department.

If this is untrue, both CB and Pennicott should stand up and say what they wish to say.

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Originally posted by AnotherAZWriter:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

Saeed,

If you want to critique their hunting styles (CB and MS), and lend some credence to how those styles agree or disagree with your norm, I see no problem with that.

But when one makes allegations of illegal hunting before the charges have been made, then there's no place for it here on AR. We could accuse one another of hunting violations all the time without formal charges, and in fact damage one another in the act.

If you want to criticize CB for selling t-shirts, that's appropriate. If you want to challenge his technique for leopard hunting, that's also appropriate. What is not appropriate is to make accusations of illegal hunting activities against anyone until legal authorities have filed charges and the exact facts of the case has been found credible in court.

As the owner of this forum, you should not tolerate that in an effort to protect hunters around the world from being convicted in the AR court before real charges have been filed by the real authorities.

Please put a stop to this. I know you want this to be a free flowing forum of information. But unsubstantiated charges against one of our own is not a free flow of information. That is trial by AR. Please put a stop to this. Craig may be guilty of any and all of the issues suggested in this thread, but we should wait until the authorities have made their final decision to weigh in on it. No one gets bonus points for bringing these issues to our attention, especially when there are no formal charges filed.

And to those who want to know of the dozens I have communicated with, there are dozens in the two hunt leases I am a member of, SCI here locally (all of whom think CB is a great guy), my family who are hunters from birth, and my business associates who don't want anything to do with MJ (they despise attorneys). If you have a history in military service, then they might give you the light of day. So f--k you.

One of our SCI members, who is a top rated gunsmith nationally, and has an autographed photo of CB at the entrance to his shop, thinks you CB haters are off your rocks. The number of you who are CB haters are far overwhelmed by those who continue to read Petersens, buy his books and videos, and have been educated by him for 20 years. So just because you have a couple of youtube videos, that doesn't make you a hunting legend.

Both CB and Pennicott are free to post THEIR version of events.

What has been posted are reports of illegal activities by both, and proof is provided by copies from the relevant government department.

If this is untrue, both CB and Pennicott should stand up and say what they wish to say.

MD

You keep bringing up your military background. Do you think CBs conduct is becoming? Before you answer you should read the BK filing. I know when i was in if I fathered a child outside of marriage (or maybe he has been married five times but having documented his marriages in his writing I don't think so)and declared BK I would never have made it past 1st LT.

I don't think he hunted illegally but virtuous he is not.

Beat Navy

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Originally posted by larryshores:
Let me be crystal clear.

My comments and postings relate to the ALLEGATION that CB participated in an illegal hunt. There clearly has been an ALLEGATION.

Once again, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT HE KNEW. It would be one of the stupidest moves ever to put a hunt on TV that he knew was illegal. Is he that stupid? I doubt it.

IF CB & wife were in the wrong place because of the outfitters, the Australian authorities would be equally stupid to charge them. Think about it. Would you go to Australia to hunt knowing that someone got charged like that? Hell no, I wouldn't. It would be a little like giving a ticket for speeding to a passenger in the car because the driver was speeding.

I do think the hammering of Karl is totally wrong as well. He is running a business. He has put a lot of time, money and effort into his business. He is protecting his business as any of us would. If one had exclusive right to sell a particular product in a particular state then found out someone else was selling it without authorization, what should be done? That is pretty simple to me.

quote:

I am jut trying to get a clear picture of all this, because if there is no action taken, or being taken, then could the original claim that an illegal hunt was conducted was false?

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
So basically you are saying that people like Craig Boddington and Mark Sullivan can display their hunts as they see fit, but us as viewers are not allowed to state our opinions of them?

Both CB and MS have chosen a public life, and make their living of this, so they should be able to face up to whatever criticism they get.

How did Larry violate ANY sacred trusts between hunters?

What is this sacred trust?

I for one have never heard of it.

Are we supposed to turn a blind eye to idiotic behavior such as Mark Sullivan seem to produce with each video he makes.

A behavior that some of us believe is utterly disgusting?

Larry, like everyone posting on this thread, including you, are stating THIER opinions.

Nothing else.

If any of us dislikes to hear others state opposing opinions to our own, are we supposed to silence them?

Saeed,

If you want to critique their hunting styles (CB and MS), and lend some credence to how those styles agree or disagree with your norm, I see no problem with that.

But when one makes allegations of illegal hunting before the charges have been made, then there's no place for it here on AR. We could accuse one another of hunting violations all the time without formal charges, and in fact damage one another in the act.

If you want to criticize CB for selling t-shirts, that's appropriate. If you want to challenge his technique for leopard hunting, that's also appropriate. What is not appropriate is to make accusations of illegal hunting activities against anyone until legal authorities have filed charges and the exact facts of the case has been found credible in court.

As the owner of this forum, you should not tolerate that in an effort to protect hunters around the world from being convicted in the AR court before real charges have been filed by the real authorities.

Please put a stop to this. I know you want this to be a free flowing forum of information. But unsubstantiated charges against one of our own is not a free flow of information. That is trial by AR. Please put a stop to this. Craig may be guilty of any and all of the issues suggested in this thread, but we should wait until the authorities have made their final decision to weigh in on it. No one gets bonus points for bringing these issues to our attention, especially when there are no formal charges filed.

And to those who want to know of the dozens I have communicated with, there are dozens in the two hunt leases I am a member of, SCI here locally (all of whom think CB is a great guy), my family who are hunters from birth, and my business associates who don't want anything to do with MJ (they despise attorneys). If you have a history in military service, then they might give you the light of day. So f--k you.

One of our SCI members, who is a top rated gunsmith nationally, and has an autographed photo of CB at the entrance to his shop, thinks you CB haters are off your rocks. The number of you who are CB haters are far overwhelmed by those who continue to read Petersens, buy his books and videos, and have been educated by him for 20 years. So just because you have a couple of youtube videos, that doesn't make you a hunting legend.

Both CB and Pennicott are free to post THEIR version of events.

What has been posted are reports of illegal activities by both, and proof is provided by copies from the relevant government department.

If this is untrue, both CB and Pennicott should stand up and say what they wish to say.