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well lets start with why you wish cb could have live up to your expectations of his place in the hunting community for the past 30 years forgetting all about your friend we are both now defending this will keep both of us on point go Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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[url=http://s830.photobucket.com/user/larryshores/media/image_zps50145b6a.jpg.html]  [/urlSorry I couldn't get the entire thing to copy but most of it is there . There mail is from Karl in response to an inquiry from a guy at The Hunting Report. Yup, nothing to it Mike. | |||
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Easy there lad. I am not understanding you current version of the king's English. Of course there was that time in Tiajuana... Jeff | |||
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Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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Strad, I could care less about CB and expectations. He apparently from multiple sources including public documents that reveal of how shall we say it...less than responsible living. I waded in to this shit sammich because the "believers" chose to excoriate a gentlemen who merely delivered facts. Jeff | |||
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so business young guy trying to get in got in years later you both firs t took hunts and next sold hunt s off this guy directly or indirectly we all know this shit he took the risk a square hunted to much to stay married so what am I talking to you or your wife is now 60 not a farmer is a hunter what the fduck are you two doing here yes he has a bigger dong so what not chasing our girls give it a rest Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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MDstewart, I am still waiting for the short list of Mr. Shores failings. Jeff | |||
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The dangers of drinking and blogging are clearly being demonstrated. [P.S. If you hit that little button on the keyboard that says "shift" it will make capital letters.] Mike | |||
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Just wow... | |||
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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE- LEARN TO USE SPELL CHECK AND PUNCTUATION! your last 3 posts are damn near unreadable. it is hard to make a valid point when your post are illiterate..... Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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[QU am I talking to you or your wife [/QUOTE] My wife wouldn't give you the time of day sir. Jeff | |||
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step up we need o save something what do you believe stand your ground my dod diid I did we are not week Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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just weak Anyway it matters not, because my experience always has been that of---- a loss of snot and enamel on both sides of the 458 Win---- | |||
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Damn straight!! ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Damn Dude Go sleep it off. This is just not fair. Not that I am opposed to taking low hanging fruit... Jeff | |||
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I didn't think there was much drinking in Utah.  | |||
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This is the easiest proposition to answer of all. 1) Larry Shores decided to delve into the personal persecution of CB based upon alllegations he received in emails sent from an "Associate" in Australia. Why? Because he thought it was prudent? Because he thought he was doing the hunting community a service by forwarding unproven allegations? Or because he doesn't like CB? Or other erroneous reasons? Why would anyone do this? That's the question, and that's why his character is at question. What's the beef? What's the personal vendetta against CB. I have asked Larry Shores this many times on this thread, as well as Mike Jines, and they have no, and I say NO legitimate arguments, other than to say someone tried to sell used T-shirts. These guys are bounty hunters with nothing but CB in their sights. Their logic is unfounded: Australian authorities have investigated and have found no wrongdoing at this point. Then they want to bring up bankruptcy, which is legal in the US (and if one makes false claims about their assets/funds, it is found out in BR court, which I am sure MJ is familiar with). The saddest thing about all this, I can't figure out why Larry Shores is so intent on destroying CB. What did CB do to him? Did CB shoot an animal Larry was supposed to shoot? Did CB not promote 2nd Amendment Freedoms vigoroursly enough? Did CB not bring enough young people into the hunting realm for the next generation? Did CB earn too much fame and money when guys like Larry bore the brunt of the unfamed like the rest of us? I don't know, but Larry won't answer the question. He just wants to show unsubstantiated papers, tell about his associates in Australia who have complained, and talk about the financial woes of CB. We are all just a bad decision away from bankruptcy. That's not an excuse, just the facts. I know many great quality individuals, both men and women, who have filed bankruptcy in one form or another, who are not crooks. Sometimes, the economy just doesn't do what you think it will do. This keeps the attorneys in business and the economy moving forward. It's ECON 101. As for Larry's reasoning to the continuous attacks on CB, I don't see anything other than personal jealously. Larry's not the big guy on the totem pole of hunting. And you know that's OK, none of us are, CB included. CB has just been the best writer of the last 20 years. Doesn't make him the greatest hunter, the greatest poet, the best business man, the best husband, father, friend. He's just been able to write things that makes most of us want to read. Where's the harm, even if his business is failing? Even if he sucks in marriage? (How many of us all fail here?). I know I struggle to get rich; how about you? Why the personal vendetta against CB? Come on, Larry, tell us. I know it's inside you, think hard and tell us all. The weight will be lifted. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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Proud American here. This guy's vote counts the same as mine. What a country. | |||
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Damn Larry, You assured me you were at the top of the hunting totem pole.  Thankfully the proffered evidence does not require me to strike you from the Christmas card list. Jeff | |||
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i lived in Provo for 4 years- if you only knew! Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Well MD, having lived as long as I have, I have a couple of observations. When people don't have anything else, they play the race card or the jealously card . Trust me, I am in NO WAY jealous of Craig Boddington. I am not bankrupt or close to it. I have done as much hunting as I want to, which is a hell of a lot. What would make me jealous? My life is pretty damn good. You forget that I started none of these threads. I presented factual information . Some of you don't like it. That is fine with me. I don't lose any sleep over it. AR is, after all, an exchange of information . If you don't like the information action being exchanged , fine. Not a problem to me at all. I read the documents and form my own opinion . You do the same. It happens that we have different opinions on the matter. Once again , I didn't start the "Rock Bottom" thread. I sure as hell didn't start the "Illegal Hunting" thread . Had neither of those been started, I would have never said a word. However, I was widely attacked for posting information about the matter which I possessed some months ago. This information was dismissed as fabrications , impossible to happen, etc. I posted the latest to show that this isn't fabrication. Only the most blind would not realize there is an actual on going investigation into this matter. Whether you want to believe it or, there is an investigation. I have publicly posted that I doubt that CB knew this was illegal. Based upon what I know, I believe it to be illegal . Pennicott's practices bother me a great deal. I way too busy to worry that much about CB. I have better things to do with my life. However, given the nature of certain threads here, I decided to post certain information that came into my possession . Nothing more, nothing less. | |||
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MD: I feel that one should trust an outfitter; I don't see the big deal here about CB hunting with P, but I certainly have not followed the whole thing - I am not that interested. And I am not really interested in CB's daughter's actions, even if CB was there filming himself. She is an adult, and he isn't responsible for her actions. But he is responsible for his. As for the BK, what many here find offensive is that he owes others in the hunting community, yet he hasn't allowed that to interfere with his hunting. That is not "conduct becoming" to use the words of a former Army officer. Perhaps it is a good thing he didn't make GO, because when I was in, a BK was considered a big security issue. Do you know any GO's who have declared BK and kept their stars? I also have huge issues with the Rigby affairs. To own part of a company and write about it without disclosing that is pretty unethical. After all, in the real world, we are all expected to make financial disclosures when recommending others buy something. I know for a fact Bob Peterson would have never tolerated that. I have enjoyed his writing. I much prefer it to the first time story about "black death" or the "red sands of the Kalahari." But at this point in my life, I have pretty lost all respect for him. As for Larry Shores, I have never met the guy. I will say this: he has done a lot more for Stu Taylor than any outdoor writer (including the guy who shot him) I know of, and for that matter, any booking agents who seem to have no lack of funds to go on any number of their hunts. The only reason I donated anything to Stu Taylor was because of Larry's posts. I respect your right to think otherwise. | |||
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Well said Larry. IMO, you have always been an unbiased voice of reason here on AR and I have enjoyed hearing your insights over the years. Sometimes the truth isn't pretty. | |||
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Larry: I have no idea whether this applies here, but I remember hearing about a case wherein an Australian outfitter sued the Northern Land Council for defamation and won a big settlement. One of the findings in that case, I heard, was that the NLC's permission was not needed to hunt on an indigenous landowner's land, only the permission of the landowner. Could it be that this outfitter had a landowner's permission to take his banteng hunters there? Bill Quimby | |||
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Two questions: 1) Regarding the hunting in Australia, you posted absolutely no "FACTUAL" information, only complaints and innuendos from an "Associate" of yours in Aussiland. Never once, never, have you posted proof of any violation of any laws regarding CB, his wife, or anyone hunting with him. There have never been any charges made, and probably never will be. So why did you bring this up to begin with? This is several times I have asked you this question, and you have dodged it every time. Come on. Be honest. Why do you continue to find ways to disparage CB? He may deserve it, but why is this your mission? And don't give me the bullshit that your trying to protect the rights of the guide in Australia; if CB hadn't been involved, no one would have ever heard of this (but for you). 2) How do you come about all the info regarding CB that you do? You seem to receive emails regareding CB for which no one else has exposure? Are you just the lucky guy that gets all the poop on everyone? There's more going on here, and you are on a personal vendetta to get CB; what's the deal? You can fool some of the folks here, but not me and many others. Come clean. It's time. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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Bill: I have no idea. From what I understand, which may not be correct, permission is needed to enter the area in question. Hunting that area is another story. Karl Goodhand has the only contract. My understanding is that 2 entities can legAlly hunt banteng. One is Karl Goodhand. The other is a privately owned herd at Mary River or something like that. I will advise that I have heard from various parties in Australia who confirm this. As I have said before , I think Pennicott is guilty of taking clients where he should not have . Did CB know ? I have no idea but I doubt it based upon his e mail to the authorities. Let me add that my understanding of the Lacey Act does not require one to know there was a violation to be charged . | |||
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I am fairly confident that issue would have been kept under wraps if Boddingon had not STARTED the thread. Don't piss on Mr. Shores because he is dialed in. Jeff | |||
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Larry is a stand up guy and a gentleman - he has demonstrated it many times. | |||
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Evidence here on AR would prove otherwise. He always seems to have some backside info on everything CB if the opportunity arises. Larry just needs to come clean, and then we can move on. He has some history, vendetta, something he will not share. It's time for it to come out,, and then we can get back to normal. This has been going on for way too long. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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Get real. | |||
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I have been real. You and your posse have been avoiding the real questions. Tell Larry to tell the truth, get factual, explain his real motivations, then we can have an intelligent conversation. Why are you guys out to destroy CB. The truth will set you free. No one is buying your shit anymore, and I'm hearing it from all over. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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actually, i am not buying your shit. in numerous past posts, Larry's info has been straight up factual. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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He has absolutely no facts, just accusations and innuendos. I hope you never sit on a jury. You don't have the substance to know facts from fallacy. Just because someone says something a hundred times, that doesn't make it the truth. Lies are lies, and unsubstantiated accusations are just unsubstantiated accusations. Or am I speaking over your head? Ignorance is a societal issue, but not an excuse for poor judgement. Never allow the ignorant to be in charge, or else, ye all will be ignorant. And ignorance doesn't mean someone is stupid, just that they don't understand the truth/facts. Lies and innuendos are not facts. Accusations are not facts. It only takes the ignorant to be convinced that they are. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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As an outsider who has absolutely nothing to do with this very sad episode. A hunt was conducted which was thought to have been done illegally. It was filmed and shown on TV. I assume - and still believe - neither Craig or his wife was aware of it being conducted illegally. Penicot either knew full well what he was doing, or might have made a mistake of hunting in an area he was not supposed to. Someone found out about this and notified the authorities. The authorities at least looked into it. We as the general hunting public found out all this, and are discussing it, as each of us think MIGHT have happened. I don't see anyone putting the blame squarely on CB or his wife. They were both there, they did participate in an alleged hunt. But, ultimately, the blame is 100% falls on the outfitter who conducted the hunt. And I am very glad this has come out. Because at least some of us, who might consider hunting in that part of the world, would have the choice of avoiding that outfitter. I certainly would not, ever, consider hunting with any outfitter who I hear about getting involved in any illegal activity. CB has fallen on hard times, and I am very sorry to see it happen to him. But trying to blame that on anyone else here as things are being discussed is totally wrong. As an aside, I understand that he has an ongoing legal issues with others who might post here. None have posted anything which is not publicly available - including CB bankruptcy filing. And having that brainless nutter Conrad, who thinks we are all "douchenozzels" getting involved in all this does not help matter either. I am very sad to see Conrad disappear from here, as he promised to teach us a few things to bring us up to speed into the real world. I was looking forward to getting a few lessons to enlighten us. For those who miss Conrad, here is what he said. ========= Originally posted by ConradEvarts: Greetings. Firstly, thanks to the folks who withheld judgement and showed respect to Craig Boddington. He's a great guy, friend, father, hunter and veteran. I was trying to do something nice for him by creating the indiegogo.com campaign and the subsequent website. This is Conrad Evarts. A cameraman who you can Google and find out much of my professional background. Novel idea right? Instead of just gazing wet eyed into this clunky, outdated website populated by graybearded paranoids who don't realize the internet evolved. No, seriously this website sucks The fact that you nuts are on here gives me a great deal of insight into your mindset. School is now in session. Let's start by taking our tinfoil hats off and putting our thinking caps on. Hopefully when we're done the paranoids here can get their nurse to administer their meds, put them to bed and unplug their computers and the rest of the haters can return to their bunkers to polish their 30,000 rounds of ammo. I am real. I was trying to do something nice for someone I respect. Craig Boddington was not terribly savvy on my effort because he spends all his time in the boonies but trusted me to try and make this work. More importantly, outside of your antiquated worlds crowd funding sites like www.indiegogo.com and www.kickstarter.com are very acceptable ways to raise money for business endeavors. There are many for profit businesses using them. These include everything from musicians and movie studios to bakeries and websites. Set down your tattered Jack O'Connor bible, get in a friggin' time machine and blast yourself to 2013. All sorts of businesses are using crowd funding. It's not strange at all. So, in conclusion: -I am real. Google me. -This was not a scam and is totally normal these days. -Craig Boddington was not entirely savvy because he is of your generation. This was not his fault and besides that if it wasn't for you crusty old haters this would be totally cool and worked and created something great for a new generation of hunters. -Craig Boddington did not take a vow of poverty to be who he is. If someone like me can help him raise money to create a site that would only be judged by a total commie. If you don't like the idea of me raising funds to put together a totally positive and interesting website as a favor to a friend you don't have to contribute to it. Craig asked me to disable the campaign. I did so out of respect for him not to placate you blood sucking, paranoid savages. You haters are pathetic. And "Lonestar 2075"...Tim, I know who you are. You know who I am. I've been to your crappy little shop in Texas to repair an episode your operation screwed the pooch on years ago. You're a coward and an embarrassment. Grow a pair and put your name up. Finally, I've stepped in the ring with you ladies now. Go warm up a stack of Hot Pockets and get your mommy to ice down your 12 pack of Mountain Dew because I don't tangle on the internet often but when I do, it isn't pretty. Thanks again to everyone who showed respect to Craig. I meant what I said, I spent a great deal of time with him in the field. I respect him and he's a good person. Sincerely, Conrad Evarts (proud friend of Craig Boddington) =================== Anyone who does not fit in Conrad's description of us above, please this site, you are in the wrong company  | |||
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Mike, Glad to see your finally coming to see my way of thinking. As you know, that Colonel was greatly flawed, and elegantly portrayed by Jack Nicholson. One of the great movies of all time. He was a flawed man, as we all are. The key, is to understand our flaws and find a way around them. I served under a couple of flawed commanders in the Army. I always thought the key for me was to do the right thing, and give all the credit to the commander. It's amazing how fast you become a valuable part of the team. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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lets look at the what CB said in his initial post;
If one really has such complete trust and confidence in ones hunting guide as claimed, CB would have no reason to stop the import of the Banteng that his wife shot. Its seems fear and doubt[lapse of faith in their guide] entered the Boddingtons minds. | |||
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Saeed, In all due respect to you as the owner of this forum and as a reknown hunter, this is far more than your post has explained. Larry Shores has made it his personal mission to destroy CB regardless of facts or gentlemanly efforts to police our own within the hunting community. We all have fallen short of the ultimate goals in life. I don't personally know Larry, but I assure you, just as I can assure you of myself, we both have failed on many occasions in life. Anyone who claims otherwise is just a liar. My problem is that he has taken his personal grievances and made it national on this forum. And I might remind all, that Larry's accusations regarding Australia is totally heresay, no charges ever filed, yet he continues to make this an issue. Once, if ever, charges are filed, then Larry can speak up; otherwise, shut the f--k up, and have some GD respect for your hunting brethren. There is some kind of personal vendetta Larry has for Craig, I don't get it, but's it's obvious. We have to stop cannibalizing our own. If they have been "PROVEN" to do something in violaton of the hunting statutes, then yes, we should denounce them. But it appears Larry is seeking hard to find a way to discredit CB. And in my eyes, he is discrediting himself in the effort. And I am hearing the same from fellow hunters all over. JP Sauer Drilling 12x12x9.3x72 David Murray Scottish Hammer 12 Bore Alex Henry 500/450 Double Rifle Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock 6.5x55 Steyr Classic Mannlicher Fullstock .30-06 Walther PPQ H2 9mm Walther PPS M2 Cogswell & Harrison Hammer 12 Bore Damascus And Too Many More | |||
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