quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

He's the only one who was actually there that has currently posted on this forum. All else is hearsay, and apparently not very credible at that. Even the Australian authorities seemingly have found no foul.

Lets just say we have heard Boddingtons version of events.
Even if he gave the same account in a court room,
they would still just be considered his recollection of events,...until otherwise verified.

Larry posting those emails gives people more insight into who is involved in the matter.

Before those emails were posted, I didnt know which NT gov dept [and staff member] was involved in the investigation.
I was also made aware of one of the pilots involved.
That means one can more easily find the details of the passenger manifest/flight plan...
and can even be more accurately confirmed through SAR time records.

Looking at those records would easily confirm whether Boddington was in a National Park or not.
and thats important, because-
Boddington has told us that he by himself, is unable to verify were they were on the ground.

It would seem reasonable to me if Larry can produce emails of the pre-investigation accusation, he should produce other information such as:

- Whether anything has been done, investigation wise
- The progress/results of said investigation

To put out emails that only accuses someone of illegal activity without following up with the outcome is somewhat disingenuous.

Disclaimer: I have never met Craig Boddington and he's not my hero. I do have some of his books however, and I find them enjoyable reading.

quote:

That means one can more easily find the details of the passenger manifest/flight plan...
and can even be more accurately confirmed through SAR time records.

What do you mean by SAR ?

Search and Rescue ?

Also, that is assuming he filed a flight plan ?

Some remote areas out there, not everybody does,
although this being a commercial flight might make it more likely.

Since we Marines cannot spell, I'm not sure whether it's "uuurrrhhhhaaaa" or "oooorrrrhhhaa" or something in between...and I for sure don't know how to spell that sissy Army "hoooaaah" (which, for your next trivia game, I understand is an abbreviation for "Heard and Understood." Nobody seems to know where "uuurrrhhhaaaa" came from...
My current rank is PFC (that's Proud F---ing Civilian. My retired rank is Colonel. My last five jobs were various general officer positions, including two after the whistle got blown on the illegal frocking. For those who care about ancient history I think the newspaper article is very accurate. But for correctness, I should say that both General Mike Hagee, then Commandant, and I received "Non-Punitive Letters of Caution." At the time he presented me the letter he told me that he thought we would get past it and I would be confirmed, so I continued to serve for a while longer. Unfortunately he was wrong; the Senate takes their prerogatives very seriously! I am told they were extremely pissed, and I was the easiest and most expendable scapegoat. Despite this obvious problem, I received the Defense Superior Service Medal for the tour in question. LtGen Earl Hailston was "censured" regarding the matter, but fortunately he retired with all three of his stars. He's a great guy and although a very tough boss, he was a fine general and Marine. We talk ocassionally. I had a wonderful career and a really good run, but it's long past, and today I much prefer "plain old Craig." (I wonder how many more times this subject will be brought up in this forum??
Cheers, Craig

quote:

Originally posted by 505G:
What do you mean by SAR ?

Search and Rescue ?

Also, that is assuming he filed a flight plan ?

Some remote areas out there, not everybody does,
although this being a commercial flight might make it more likely.

True,people in remote areas have been caught running fowl of laws & regulations.
Be it failing to lodge appropriately required flight plans or Failing to obtain the appropriate permits to hunt.
If someone was planning an illegal hunt, It would be most convenient to have no flight plan & SARtime,
that would just help incriminate those involved.

quote:

PFC (that's Proud F---ing Civilian

I love it!

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:
True, people in remote areas have been caught running fowl of laws & regulations.
Be it failing to lodge appropriately required flight plans or Failing to obtain the appropriate permits to hunt.
If someone was planning an illegal hunt, It would be most convenient to have no flight plan & SAR time, that would just help incriminate those involved.

I don't think you have to file a flight plan
all the time in remote areas. Pretty sure farmers don't when just using a chopper
for mustering etc.

SAR time - not sure why you keep mentioning this.

Search and Rescue is only called out if
someone needs it - when a radio call is
made or a beacon goes off.

Okay, I just went back and carefully read Jailee Wilson's emails, and the emails from one of the XXXXXXX-men. Of course I know who that is...but I don't recall him or anyone else asking me if I was coming to Australia last year. If he asked, perhaps it wasn't planned then, but I don't recall the conversation. When Ms. Wilson contacted me she accused me specifically of an illegal hunt. I still believe one has to have hunted in order to have hunted illegally, so I asked her for more information and exactly who was accusing me. I never got a reply, but I do understand that Ms. Wilson has a relationship (whether family, professional or personal I do not know) with the outfitter who started the accusations. The redacted emails also give me no information on who is accusing either me or our hunting party, which continues to be disturbing. Again, my understanding has been that the Australians laid this to rest long since, but I think, for Greg Pennicott's sake if not for mine, this forum should lay off on the subject. For the record, the trophies taken are still in Australia. The first accusation bubbled before the conventions this year (also directed at me personally), so I asked Greg to not ship anything--including our water buffalo that are not in question--until this is fully resolved. So regardless of the circumstances, there is no violation of U.S. law for the hunters and certainly not for Greg Pennicott...but this situation is for Greg to sort out. Whether he will do so on this forum or not I don't know, but I will be more than happy to let you know when I know!
Thanks, Craig

quote:

Originally posted by 505G:
Trax

I am not sure it was a good idea to publish private emails.


And what happens if as the poster above yours says, the authorities never come up with evidence or charges ?

Going to be egg over a few people's faces
if that is the outcome.

Just my HO.

505G, it makes no difference how the evidence turns out to be, the damage is already done! The hangman’s knot has slipped so tight nobody will loosen it now!

……………………………………………………………………………… .

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 505G:
I don't think you have to file a flight plan
all the time in remote areas. Pretty sure farmers don't when just using a chopper
for mustering etc.

Mustering{classified as aerial work] on your own property,or just privately flying around,
is not considered the same as conducting a commercial flight operation,with paying passengers.

SAR time - not sure why you keep mentioning this.
Search and Rescue is only called out if
someone needs it - when a radio call is
made or a beacon goes off.

It appears you know little about the SARtime service in designated remote areas of Australia,
Otherwise you would have known that one typically contacts SAR as a precautionary measure, to give them details of;
Aircraft Type,POB,track,ETA/destination,etc.
That information is kept recorded regardless of whether an actual SAR situation occurs or not.
One is required to cancel ones SAR request within a certain time of ones safe arrival at destination.
If one does not cancel their SAR, then they can trigger a SAR situation, even though one does not actually exist.
You dont necessarily need to set off an ELB or make an emergency call.

I think the damage that has be done is to Australia. Who wants to go to a country with a bunch of catty outfitters constantly trying to backstab each other with the foreign hunter getting stuck in the middle? The last thing anyone here needs is a very expensive Lacey Act violation.

Trax

Thanks, my misunderstanding.

Gunscore

I agree.

quote:

Originally posted by GunsCore:
I think the damage that has be done is to Australia. Who wants to go to a country with a bunch of catty outfitters constantly trying to backstab each other with the foreign hunter getting stuck in the middle? The last thing anyone here needs is a very expensive Lacey Act violation.

You can make a mountain of a molehill if you want to, however,
A good number of International hunters have come from overseas to hunt Bateng,buff & Boars,Crocks,
in the Far north OF Australia without this type of crap going on.
I think the catty outfitters chose the celebrity profile Boddington trip, to give their personal shit slinging event,
the best high profile mileage possible.
Im sure relatively unheard of uber-Rich German industrialists will continue to come to Australias Far North for some really great & enjoyable hunting & fishing,..and I suspect we will still see relatively unknown wealthy Americans continue to come as well.

I would not be put off going to an international hunting destination, just because of a one-of event like this,
just like I would not be put off meeting & talking to Boddington, or Mark Sullivan, if ever the oportunity arose,
- Nor would I rush to meet and greet them.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:

quote:

Originally posted by 505G:
IMHO, it is a non issue.

Yea, you are probably right it is just one of those pesky little Constitutional requirements.

Are you questioning CB's integrity for donning the 1 Star while serving in a very critical position in the Iraqi War under orders from his 2 immediate supervisors?

No, but apparently the Secretary of the Navy did.

Mike, that is beneath you.

quote:

Originally posted by craig boddington:
Well, apparently there were a lot of people on this forum who were present on the hunt. Oddly, I didn't see any of them there. As I have said, I didn't hunt or shoot a banteng, and I was not present when one was taken. I did go in later for photos, and the hunt has already been aired on television, so I don't think there is any veil of secrecy involved here (for Gawd's sake). "If" the hunt was conducted in the park, then there could be issues with the outfitter and the other hunters in the party...but the only accusations I have heard have been against me personally, and that is impossible. As I also said, I trust Greg Pennicott (with my reputation as well as the conduct of the hunt.)
I do not believe we were in the park. I have been in the area before, although it was many years ago, and I do have some sense of where the park lies. In recent years the banteng has expanded quite far south of the park, although not a lot of people know this. The banteng is protected IN THE PARK, but is not a protected species in Australia (as I understand). The area is pretty much accessible only by boat or helicopter. I do not know Jailee Wilson, but I have corresponded with her and given my summation and suggested she contact Greg Pennicott, which I know she has. I also know--directly from her--that the allegation was in fact raised by a competitive outfitter. I have no official correspondence from anyone, and it is my understanding that the matter has been laid to rest in Australia. Until I hear different, that's what I know. Sorry you guys don't have anything better to worry about. Cheers, Craig

Do I get the impression that all this sad episode started by a jealous outfitter in Australia?

First I have heard about this was that BODDINGTON hunted inside the park.

My first reaction was I would not imagine anyone in his position doing so knowingly.

Now we are told it was supposed to be his WIFE who did the hunting!

Isn't the fact that he did not participate in that hunt makes this whole subject worthless?

There is no breach of the Lacey Act unless wildlife knowingly taken illegally in a foreign country is imported into the United States. Since I didn't hunt, there is no potential violation for me...nor for any other person present unless a) the trophies are imported into the U.S.; b) it can be established that they were taken illegally; and c) it can be established that the hunters knew it was illegal. I can't speak for anyone else, but I was absolutely certain in my mind that we did not enter the park. After reading Ms. Wilson's emails I freely admit that I am much less certain exactly where we were. The reality, however, is that anyone involved in this may or may not be telling the truth, and may or may not have hidden motives and agendas. I understand that includes me and Greg Pennicott, but should also include everyone else who claims actual knowledge. This thread is pure speculation based on which person you prefer to believe. I guess it's okay to hang me, but I don't think this forum should hang a respected outfitter until he has had an opportunity to speak up, and I also agree that this doesn't help Australia or the outfitting industry. As for Saeed's cryptic line, I don't have a clue, but I'd love to know what he's referring to. For me, that's my last word on the subject until I hear from Greg...but, of course, since I'm a "public figure" you guys can continue to pick on my carcass to your hearts' content.
Cheers, Craig

quote:

Originally posted by cal pappas:

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
[QUOTE]I still say this is the worst case of ass kissing I have ever seen on AR

No it is not.

The worst one was when Cal accused those of us who did not agree with Mark Sullivan's way of hunting of not being fit to walk in his shoes.


Saeed:
Well at least I reached number one at something in my life!
Cheers,
Cal

Cal,

Get that smile off your face my friend!

Someone will beat at it very soon here

you are the best Craig.
Anytime you get to be known as you are, there will be lots of jealousy and envy and straight BS.
been following you for twenty plus years, you are the most honest and trustworthy and down to earth hunter and personality I have known in these hunting circles.
Keep it up
Hope you hunt to be hundred plus. Nobody like you out there.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Do I get the impression that all this sad episode started by a jealous outfitter in Australia?

Well, let's just say an outfitter.

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
Isn't the fact that he did not participate in that hunt makes this whole subject worthless?

Yes.


There are other places in NT where very small numbers of Banteng exist, not well known as well. But what Craig said about expanded range south of the Park, I believe him because all they are doing is what Buffalo have been doing since they were introduced - expanding their range !!!

At times, thousands of Banteng have been shot in the park when numbers got too high in dry years. If they hadn't been shot, I reckon they would be a lot more spread out than they are now.

Unbelievable!

I'm starting to see the truth in what Conrad Evarts posted! I think I may have been too tough on him!

This place is certainly turning into a home for gossip mongering old ladies - a lost-souls and get-a-life club.

And, shades of Conrad, some on this very thread may soon qualify for douchenozzle status - Shores and Jines, in particular.

Guys, you can stop now, and save some semblance of respect, or you can go ahead and keep on bucking.

You'll never earn a star, or even an eagle, but douchenozzle is definitely within reach.

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Guys, you can stop now, and save some semblance of respect, or you can go ahead and keep on bucking.

You'll never earn a star, or even an eagle, but douchenozzle is definitely within reach.

+1

When you cannot attack the message . . . attack the messenger.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
When you cannot attack the message . . . attack the messenger.

So, in all honesty, what is your message?

I've re-read all your posts on this thread, and for the life of me, I don't know what your message is?

I really want to know. I've always enjoyed your posts on your safaris, and I've always thought you to be a good guy. But your actions on this thread leaves me to question all of this. So, what's your message? And then we can decide whether it's you or your message or both, or you've just had a bad couple of days on this one. We've all had those.

My initial thoughts is that either you don't like or respect CB, or think he doesn't deserve any credit for what he has done for all of hunting (but especially Africa) and you have no respect for his dedicated service in the military even though you haven't volunteered your services for the defense of the country.

So, what's your message?

I won't be hunting Austrailia anytime soon. the hunting industry Sounds like a bunch bitchy little sorority girls having a slap fight over who's got the prettiest ribbon in their hair.

AR, an interesting place. Learned a lot here. Also have learned to keep my head down.

Craig Boddington - 259 posts

Harry Selby - 13 posts

I can figure from the feeling of Mr. Boddington's post that started this thread he may well not become a regular contributor.

I know for sure Mr. Selby does not plan on being a regular.

In both cases that is a loss for us all.

But to Mr. Boddington I say that I did read the verbiage your friend put on here. I respect your will to stand behind him. I too have stood behind friends who said some really stupid things.

In my humble and not asked for opinion Conrad was beyond out of hand.

Glad you enjoy his friendship, glad he is a great photographer for you but as a spokesman, which he became as soon as he offered your used clothing to finance a website and signed pictures on Ebay, you have entered the crosshairs of opinion.

That is what internet forums are. Simply opinions.

Here's my name for full disclosure.

Jim Wojciehowski

How about naming and shaming this Aussie outfitter?

We kiwis are known for our attitude of "knocking the tall poppy" - Or "tall poppy syndrome" as it is called here. But this thread is the worst I have seen for such mean spirited behaviour!

quote:

Originally posted by GunsCore:
I think the damage that has be done is to Australia. Who wants to go to a country with a bunch of catty outfitters constantly trying to backstab each other with the foreign hunter getting stuck in the middle? The last thing anyone here needs is a very expensive Lacey Act violation.

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
When you cannot attack the message . . . attack the messenger.

You're being disingenuous Mike: If you're the author of the message, and if that message is wrong, so, too, are you. And the fact is that both you and Larry are wrong here. Like MDStewart, I very much respect the hunt reports, opinions, and observations both of you bring to this forum. You are among the few 'core' contributors that people pay attention to, which is why your combined efforts here are so puzzling.

For example, in commenting on Craig's premature frocking as a BGEN, you wrote:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
So it seems we are back to those pesky little "technical violations" of the Constitution.

You of all people know that the US Constitution isn't a Chinese menu where you get to select a few favorite protections and ignore the rest. It's great to know that you stand foursquare behind the Senate's Constitutional right to anoint general officers, but the sixth amendment of the Constitution grants the irrevocable right of the accused to be confronted with any witnesses against him.

While this isn't a court of law (except in the eyes of a few), adherence to the spirit of Constitutional protections is not an unreasonable expectation, yet Larry elected to post anonymous emails alleging illegal acts by Craig Boddington - allegations that could by themselves irreparably damage his professional standing. How could anyone proffer a rigorous defense when those making the accusations reside in the shadows? More importantly, should those allegations be either disproved or disowned in time, the damage to Craig's reputation will nevertheless endure on the internet for as long as these pages remain available to the public. That is shameful and, indeed, contemptible.

Here's the thing: No matter your personal animus towards someone, even if it only exists in some bizarre quest to show the negligible effects of celebrity on you, you do not sully a man's reputation without proper cause and evidence. To foster allegations of poaching, criminal conspiracy, and worse made by nameless accusers is beneath the two of you – and those of us who find objection to such behavior are neither "ass kissers" nor "hero worshippers": We would have raised equal objection had either of you been subjected to such abject slander.

So, no matter the investigative outcome by the Australian authorities, and even with an adjudication of innocence, damage has been done to Craig Boddington's public reputation by your collective 'message'. Will it have been worth it?

It seems that on AR we like to eat our own.

quote:

Originally posted by craig boddington:
There is no breach of the Lacey Act unless wildlife knowingly taken illegally in a foreign country is imported into the United States. Since I didn't hunt, there is no potential violation for me...nor for any other person present unless a) the trophies are imported into the U.S.; b) it can be established that they were taken illegally; and c) it can be established that the hunters knew it was illegal. I can't speak for anyone else, but I was absolutely certain in my mind that we did not enter the park. After reading Ms. Wilson's emails I freely admit that I am much less certain exactly where we were. The reality, however, is that anyone involved in this may or may not be telling the truth, and may or may not have hidden motives and agendas. I understand that includes me and Greg Pennicott, but should also include everyone else who claims actual knowledge. This thread is pure speculation based on which person you prefer to believe. I guess it's okay to hang me, but I don't think this forum should hang a respected outfitter until he has had an opportunity to speak up, and I also agree that this doesn't help Australia or the outfitting industry. As for Saeed's cryptic line, I don't have a clue, but I'd love to know what he's referring to. For me, that's my last word on the subject until I hear from Greg...but, of course, since I'm a "public figure" you guys can continue to pick on my carcass to your hearts' content.
Cheers, Craig

Why is it that the Boddington supporters are not as sensibly impartial as Boddington himselF?

quote:

Originally posted by KPete:
While this isn't a court of law (except in the eyes of a few), Larry elected to post anonymous emails alleging illegal acts by Craig Boddington - allegations that could by themselves irreparably damage his professional standing. How could anyone proffer a rigorous defense when those making the accusations reside in the shadows? More importantly, should those allegations be either disproved or disowned in time, the damage to Craig's reputation will nevertheless endure on the internet for as long as these pages remain available to the public. That is shameful and, indeed, contemptible.

Be reminded that it was Mr.Boddington that started this thread on an open public forum,
about the allegation of him being involved in an illegal hunt.

Larryshores has simply contributed more to a subject that Boddington himself decided to initiate on AR.
You nor anyone else here, can prove that those emails posted by Larry, are fictitious.

Boddington does confirm that there is such a person as 'Jailee Wilson' [from Parks & wildlife]
as he says he had correspondence with her, concerning the allegations.

There is also a guy by the name of Norm Fisher[identified in the emails as a heli-pilot]
its speculation, but this could be the same Norm Fisher who runs Swim Creek Station on the Mary river wetlands,
roughly 80km south of Coburg Peninsular,..where Heli-fishing services operate in and around Swim Creek Station.

quote:

Originally posted by Craig Boddington:
..but I am not capable of verifying our position on the ground to you guys or anyone else; only Greg and the local pilot (who ranches just to the south) could do that.

KPete, thanks! I swore the previous was my last post on the subject, but you compelled me to say a wee bit more. I promise I will not be drawn out of my cave again! I appreciate the kind words, but I honestly do not feel personally sullied by the exchange. I do not claim to a blameless existence--I leave that to Jesus--but in this case I committed no wrong (you have to hunt in order to have hunted illegally). So at first I thought this was a very silly thread. Then it got threatening, and then it got personal. I've been hunting for 50 years and I have never received a wildlife citation of any kind, and I am very unlikely to. My Dad taught me better...so I mostly take this thread as an insult to my Dad...and although I understand, to the majority of the forum, these are insults I should accept because I am a "public person," I take this assault as the most personal, professional, and familial insult I have ever endured (and, on this forum alone, there have been many). Since I clearly, by definition, did no wrong I seriously doubt there is any damage--time will tell--but I refuse to give the...uh, let's just say jerks...on this forum the satisfaction. The power is not there. However, there is potential for collateral damage, and in the feeding frenzy to get to me I hope other lives and careers are not damaged...but I'm sure that many posters (and posers) on this forum could give a shit less. But to the many great folks who attempted a reasonable approach--like you, KPete--I appreciate the kind words and support, and for Gawd's sake, at least buy a copy of G&A or Petersen's HUNTING, if not a book. I still got kids to put through college!!!!
Cheers, Craig

quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
When you cannot attack the message . . . attack the messenger.

So, in all honesty, what is your message?

I've re-read all your posts on this thread, and for the life of me, I don't know what your message is?

I really want to know. I've always enjoyed your posts on your safaris, and I've always thought you to be a good guy. But your actions on this thread leaves me to question all of this.

+1


Torbjorn

Kim:
You are as well spoken here as on the Mark Sullivan threads. It is always a pleasure to read your epistles.
Cheers,
Cal

Instead of doing this mudslinging and gossip, can`t we just enjoy that people like Craig (and other hunters with great experience) share their knowledge and experience with us here on AR.


Torbjorn

quote:

Instead of doing this mudslinging and gossip, can`t we just enjoy that people like Craig (and other hunters with great experience) share their knowledge and experience with us here on AR.


Torbjorn

+1

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

Originally posted by KPete:
.

Be reminded that it was Mr.Boddington that started this thread on an open public forum,
about the allegation of him being involved in an illegal hunt.

Larryshores has simply contributed more to a subject that Boddington himself decided to initiate on AR.
You nor anyone else here, can prove that those emails posted by Larry, are fictitious.

Boddington does confirm that there is such a person as 'Jailee Wilson' [from Parks & wildlife]
as he says he had correspondence with her, concerning the allegations.

There is also a guy by the name of Norm Fisher[identified in the emails as a heli-pilot]
its speculation, but this could be the same Norm Fisher who runs Swim Creek Station on the Mary river wetlands,
roughly 80km south of Coburg Peninsular,..where Heli-fishing services operate in and around Swim Creek Station.

Thank you sir. You are quite right.

I didn't start this thread nor the endless line of ass kissing. When the true believers started posting, all I did was post something that has been in my possession for months. Yes, I did take the names off because (as I previously pointed out) one of the parties did not know that I had his e mails). I have notified the person that I know. He just arrived home late last night. Perhaps he will post today.

Keep in mind that the reason I posted this to begin with was because of the long list of people who said over and over that this matter was all internet BS and could never have happened. There could be zero truth to it. Read CB's posts. They were contacted by the authorities. In my book this makes it crystal clear that this is NOT some internet fiction. This is not to say that CB or his wife are guilty. I have never said that nor implied that. Clearly, this entire thing was not fabricated out of thin air.

Interesting that the trophies are on hold until all is settled. If one isn't concerned at all, why put the trophies hold?

I said repeatedly on the initial thread that I did not think that CB knew they were while hunting. Nothing here changed my mind.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Interesting that the trophies are on hold until all is settled. If one isn't concerned at all, why put the trophies hold?

You are tending to insinuate with comments like that.

When I read what Craig wrote about putting
the trophy shipment on hold, I thought that
was very sensible indeed - and quick thinking.

Also, re "one of the parties did not know that I had his e mails", pretty low to release someone else's private emails without them
knowing.

IMHO, telling him after the event isn't
good enough.

I am sure you wouldn't like a third party publicly listing your private emails.

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:

quote:

Originally posted by Trax:

quote:

Originally posted by KPete:
.

Be reminded that it was Mr.Boddington that started this thread on an open public forum,
about the allegation of him being involved in an illegal hunt.

Larryshores has simply contributed more to a subject that Boddington himself decided to initiate on AR.
You nor anyone else here, can prove that those emails posted by Larry, are fictitious.

Boddington does confirm that there is such a person as 'Jailee Wilson' [from Parks & wildlife]
as he says he had correspondence with her, concerning the allegations.

There is also a guy by the name of Norm Fisher[identified in the emails as a heli-pilot]
its speculation, but this could be the same Norm Fisher who runs Swim Creek Station on the Mary river wetlands,
roughly 80km south of Coburg Peninsular,..where Heli-fishing services operate in and around Swim Creek Station.

Thank you sir. You are quite right.

I didn't start this thread nor the endless line of ass kissing. When the true believers started posting, all I did was post something that has been in my possession for months. Yes, I did take the names off because (as I previously pointed out) one of the parties did not know that I had his e mails). I have notified the person that I know. He just arrived home late last night. Perhaps he will post today.

Keep in mind that the reason I posted this to begin with was because of the long list of people who said over and over that this matter was all internet BS and could never have happened. There could be zero truth to it. Read CB's posts. They were contacted by the authorities. In my book this makes it crystal clear that this is NOT some internet fiction. This is not to say that CB or his wife are guilty. I have never said that nor implied that. Clearly, this entire thing was not fabricated out of thin air.

Interesting that the trophies are on hold until all is settled. If one isn't concerned at all, why put the trophies hold?

I said repeatedly on the initial thread that I did not think that CB knew they were while hunting. Nothing here changed my mind.

Larry, it's now looking like you are in bed with this mystery outfitter in Aussie-land who had made accusations that the hunt was illegal, has a personal relationship with Jailee Wilson, yet can't prove any of it to a degree that warrants charges.

Why are you in bed with this guy? What's the connection. You must have one or else you wouldn't have received those emails.

And every post you've made has been accusatory towards the Boddingtons, yet you continue to say they are not. This Aussie outfitter has got you hook and sinker.

Do you really think that CB would allow himself or his wife to participate in any hunt that even smelled faintly of illegal, just to shoot a stupid cow?

Cannot wait to hear the name of the mystery outfitter so that I can make sure my friends never consider booking a hunt with him.

.[/QUOTE
Larry, it's now looking like you are in bed with this mystery outfitter in Aussie-land who had made accusations that the hunt was illegal, has a personal relationship with Jailee Wilson, yet can't prove any of it to a degree that warrants charges.

Why are you in bed with this guy?[/QUOTE]

This is quite literally the stupidist shit I have ever read on AR.

Jeff

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
.[/QUOTE
Larry, it's now looking like you are in bed with this mystery outfitter in Aussie-land who had made accusations that the hunt was illegal, has a personal relationship with Jailee Wilson, yet can't prove any of it to a degree that warrants charges.

Why are you in bed with this guy?

This is quite literally the stupidist shit I have ever read on AR.

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There's some kind of connection there, you don't just receive a bunch of emails about a situation like this without some sort of connection somewhere. Larry continues to lend credibility to the claims of this outfitter. Why is that? What's his connection? There has to be something that links Larry to this outfitter, or else he wouldn't jeopardize his good standing around the world to back up these claims.

What's the connection?

My initial posts, on what has become a plethora of Craig-related threads, focused on one issue and one issue only, my view that selling used articles of clothing to fund a personal website was tasteless, embarrassing and a sad play on someone's celebrity . . . particularly given the modest amount of money being raised and the fact that the money could be raised in other ways (e.g., foregoing a brown bear hunt). In response we had folks crawling out of the woodwork to defend the character and decency of Craig (who may be the most decent and fine human being alive, I cannot say, I do not know the man), folks that did not know Craig on any basis other than that they read a book he wrote, saw a show he was in or perhaps met him for five minutes at a hunting show. Just as it is wrong to negatively judge Mark Sullivan on the basis of his DVDs without knowing the man, it is wrong to positively judge Craig on his writings or DVDs without knowing the man. The latter is simply hero worship and strikes me as very shallow, both in Mark's case and Craig's case.

Yesterday, Craig decides to post his defense of the allegations regarding a hunt in Australia. In response to Craig's defense of his actions, Larry posts information that might suggest another view. Then Larry is castigated for doing so. The facts are what the facts are on the hunt, but Larry should not be criticized it seems to me for coming in and posting information relevant to the subject Craig himself raised. In fact, Craig acknowledged, "[a]fter reading Ms. Wilson's emails I freely admit that I am much less certain exactly where we were." Larry did not start the thread and go looking for a fight, he simply provided additional information relevant to the issue on a thread started by Craig.

Regarding the frocking incident, that is old news. The only reason that came up was, again, someone in a post raised the issue of Craig's military rank. The facts of the incident are well known and have been well reported. But for some to suggest that it was trivial or based on a technicality is being dismissive of something more serious.

So what is my message? Pretty simple actually. One, if you want to raise money for your own personal website, do not use your public persona to sell used articles of clothing when you can raise the money in a number of other more becoming and tasteful ways. Two, it is shallow to suggest that someone can judge the character of a person on the basis of what they see on television, read in a magazine or learn in casual conversation at a hunting show . . . to suggest otherwise is simply allowing oneself to fall into the trap of hero worship.