quote:

Originally posted by mdstewart:

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
.[/QUOTE
Larry, it's now looking like you are in bed with this mystery outfitter in Aussie-land who had made accusations that the hunt was illegal, has a personal relationship with Jailee Wilson, yet can't prove any of it to a degree that warrants charges.

Why are you in bed with this guy?

This is quite literally the stupidist shit I have ever read on AR.

Jeff

There's some kind of connection there, you don't just receive a bunch of emails about a situation like this without some sort of connection somewhere. Larry continues to lend credibility to the claims of this outfitter. Why is that? What's his connection? There has to be something that links Larry to this outfitter, or else he wouldn't jeopardize his good standing around the world to back up these claims.

What's the connection?[/QUOTE]

I know the outfitter. That is it. I have never hunted with him nor have I ever hunted in Australia with anyone ever. There is no other connection of any sort.

I have no idea who Jailee Wilson is nor do I even know if they are mail or female. I do find some humor with the name JAILee considering how the country was founded.

I have never accused CB of anything. I simply provided some info when all of the true believers said repeatedly that this was all internet BS. It is clearly not some made up internet BS. This, however, does not mean that he (or his wife) are guilty.

If you true believers will recall, i was the first one to mention this matter. I referred to and "allegedly" illegal hunt. Since two outfitters were complaining to the authorities about this hunt, it seems to me that the description was spot on.

I have had those e mails since probably late January early February. I never said a word nor would I except for the continuing ass kissing here that was in no way based on fact. If the thread had not been started, I would have never posted the e mails. If not for the constant ass kissing, I would never have posted them.

Anyone who reads this and continues to think that it was all made up has serious problems being objective. This is not to say that CB and his wife are guilty. I never said or implied that.

Hopefully, the one outfitter will post today about this matter.

Jeff, I have to agree with you, that was a pretty stupid comment. It ranks right up there with the perjury comment. That one made me fall out of my chair laughing.

This entire thread is the single most dissapointing thing I have ever seen on AR, EVER!

When a fellow hunter is literally forced to come on here to protect his reputation, his livelihood, and his family - all because of some un-substantiated "claims of wrong-doing", we as AR members have reached an all-time low!!! Matters not who started this thread - it was started because of the insinuations in another thread.

There's one very nice lady who frequent's AR - she told me not long ago to just stick with Facebook. "It's a much nicer/friendlier place" she told me. Man, I gotta start listening to women more often!!!

Just when I thought something dumber than the Mark Sullivan posts was not possible this crap surfaces. We should all remember "innocent till proven guilty". I haven't seen a shred of fact in this mess yet. Perhaps Saeed should create a "gossip forum"!

This will be my final post on this thread. The actions of several, and you know who you are, have made me ill-temperate, and that's something I seldom find myself doing. I have tried to psycho-analyze what's in this for Larry Shores, Jines, etal. It seems it's a contempt for the success Craig has had, what little lime-light he has received in the hunting world. Is it jealousy? I cannot figure it out. So I'm going to stop my diatribes and let them try to explain themselves (I don't think they have a real explanation).

I'm not a hero-worshipper or ass-kisser, but when one intentionally and irresponsibly tries to damage someone the way Larry has attempted to damage Craig, then I have to stand up and call bull-shit. And I damn sure will not let anyone, and I mean anyone, start soldier-bashing and trying to make it sound like Craig has been anything other than a "true" selfless Marine who wore the uniform for 30 years, served his tours in shit holes around the world, and never complained about what he had to do.

I still think Larry has a personal interest in this thing or he wouldn't have received those emails nor would he have taken us down this road. Not sure he thought this would turn on him and damage his credibility. I'm sorry this shit happened, but I didn't open the can of worms, I just identified the worms after they crawled out. Craig has legitimate claims for legal action if he so choses, but I don't think he will, he's too much of a class act for that.

Now that I'm going to allow my ill-temperance to dissipate, what I see now is just sad, sadness that the internet allows all of us to say and do things we probably wouldn't if we could just sit down together and ask one another for the facts up front. Sadness that the direction of this thread has caused me contempt for some folks I've never even met. Sadness that we devour each other when we should be banding together as fellow hunters. Seemingly, it's not enough to try to gain knowledge from the experience of others or to celebrate with them on their hunts and new acquisitions, it seems we have to find ways to damage one another, to eat our own.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this thread will raise caution and force all of us to think real hard before we go down the road of accusation, innuendo, and personal attacks.

We're better than that.

Good post.

quote:

There's one very nice lady who frequent's AR - she told me not long ago to just stick with Facebook. "It's a much nicer/friendlier place" she told me. Man, I gotta start listening to women more often!!!

Arron I know a bunch of very experienced hunters, shooters, custom gun builders and the like who stay away form this place just for that reason.

I have never and never will post a hunt report on AR it's just not worth the headache.

In a free non moderated forum, the cream rises to the top but the scum settles at the bottom and when that layer gets thick enough it needs to be scrapped out and disposed of. That is what a proper amount of moderation is all about. And it's what this place is missing.

It seems many are upset with what they believe to be false accusations. No problem there,however I do not remember Craig's best friend Conrad forwarding the apology or proof that my partner Tim Danklef sent the email that started the whole fundraising thread? He referred to Tim personally, as well as "our shitty little shop in Dallas" where he came down to save a show that we had screwed the pooch on" I believe he is referring to the time we allowed him full access to our leopard film library, at Craig's request, so he could salvage a show for Peterson's Hunting TV where they invested in a hunt and filming cost to produce a leopard show but were lacking enough footage to complete the episode. My shitty little shop was kind enough to provide free footage to help a competitive producer get a quality show in the can, again, at Boddington's request. As long as we are demanding apologies on AR for false accusations, I will, on Tim's behalf since he does not post on AR, take one.
Not holding my breath.

I have met Craig twice, once in Vegas and at Lacolorada in Argentina. He is a gentleman and has always been a gentleman. Far too intelligent to put all his life in jeopardy to hunt illegally, or for that matter,unethically. His contribution to the hunting world is great and continues in that sted. Just my opinion. Jack

I just received the following. If you true believers will take the time to read this and actually attempt to comprehend, you will see who the target was of the complaint filed. It was NOT CB. Let's see, I seem to recall saying that previously.

Perhaps tomorrows post will be informative.

I will give you all a hint. This gentleman and CB have something in common that CB would not have with most hunters.
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I just got in and its 1230am!!!! Just had a look at AR its insane!!! I have talked to some of the people involved and am going to get some paperwork together tomorrow and post. Im not even a member of AR so I will get everything and put it up. I have more emails that prove it was illegal. The reason no action has been taken is that the Lawyer for the Land Council that was handling this area is on long service leave and the regional director is at the council meeting until the middle of next week so I cant find out were they are at, but I still have plenty. Thing is it was never a personal attack on Boddington rather one aimed at Pennicott. Whatever evidence i present half of these people will ignore and continue to kiss his arse!!!!!!
Anyway I will email you in the morning.
Thanks,

This thread has fast reached the point of revulsion.

Am I the only one who finds himself disheartened by this escalating disintegration of civility on AR? This is supposed to be a forum on African Big Game Hunting but of late it has become a venue for airing grievances, accusations, threats, insults, and ridicule.

It's now customary to witness journeyman member-hunters getting lambasted for their hunt reports due to their not meeting the personal standards of self-appointed guardians of our sport. Then there is the celebrity PH whose hunting style - and success - sticks in the craw of some who feel obliged to perpetuate outright falsehoods in an effort to discredit him. And now with Craig Boddington - arguably the most influential hunter in the world - we have members insinuating criminal behavior by way of faceless accusers - after first ridiculing him for actions undertaken by an overzealous friend.

Is this what AR is supposed to be about? As I have said before, if those posting to these threads abided by the simple axiom: 'Don't write what you wouldn't say to someone in person', I'm convinced most of this discord and ungentleman-like behavior would never happen.

Some of you may remember that a while ago I had a very heated exchange on this forum with several members over their unvarnished racist posts. I felt that ugly racial generalizations and the use of the word 'nigger' were poisonous and inappropriate. What I never shared was that following that exchange 'one of us' did some research, found out where I lived, and threatened me and my family for my being "the worst kind of American", ending his message with "you're being watched". I took a sabbatical from AR after that, not so much because of the threat (I received plenty of those when I was a federal agent) but because of my disgust with the devolving tenor of the conversation in what is supposed to be a forum dedicated to a mutual love for Africa and safari.

I still hold that it is impossible to judge any man by the color of his skin and to do otherwise is the worst kind of evil. And I believe that accusing a man of a crime in a public forum on the basis of anonymous emails is patently wrong and, indeed, immoral.

So in my mind it boils down to this: Is it really all that controversial for a group of like-minded African hunting aficionados to stay away from the temptations of character assassination and simply focus on safari? If we can't we will usher in the demise of Accurate Reloading and squander an extraordinary gift provided to each of us by Saeed.

Kim,

I hear you, but I don't think that civilization, or even civility on AR, will come to an end over this or any other thread.

What happens is that, in threads like this (and there have been many others like this over the years), certain posters show their true colors. One can then assess what they say going forward in a different and truer light.

There are any number of AR members whose input I value and appreciate, and that input is why I visit and post here.

The other kind of member I castigate, when appropriate, or more generally ignore.

Such is life in the world at large, and here at AR in microcosm.

Regards,

quote:

Originally posted by Michael Robinson:
Kim,

I hear you, but I don't think that civilization, or even civility on AR, will come to an end over this or any other thread.

What happens is that, in threads like this (and there have been many others like this over the years), certain posters show their true colors. One can then assess what they say going forward in a different and truer light.

There are any number of AR members whose input I value and appreciate, and that input is why I visit and post here.

The other kind of member I castigate, when appropriate, or more generally ignore.

Such is life in the world at large, and here at AR in microcosm.

Regards,

Mike:

You apparently didn't hear me inasmuch as I never feared for the end of civilization. AR is far too inconsequential to make even a dent there. On the other hand, if you don't see an increasing lack of civility in this and other similar threads, then more's the pity.

Well said KPete and Michael Robinson.

I hope this board turns around. It is such an incredible resource. I hate to see people say they refuse to post hunt reports. Think of how much great info and entertainment we miss when when these reports don't get posted.

I can't imagine dedicating my time to tarnishing reputations of people I don't even know. What a bunch of B.S.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aaron Neilson:
This entire thread is the single most dissapointing thing I have ever seen on AR, EVER!


Sorry to disagree, Aaron. Your choice was number 2.
The single most disappointing thing ever seen on AR was when Saeed said my posts on Mark Sullivan were the top in the ass kissing department. That, my friend, was the worst!

LOL mates. Just trying to lighten the mood on yet another depressing AR post.
Cal

I had to add one more thing.

Just got back from the airport here in Chattanooga. Dropped my 17 year old son off. He is meeting my 20 year old daughter in Philly. She is just starting her summer break before her third year (cow year) at West Point. They then fly for their first time to Africa, spending 3 weeks of volunteering, working in an orphanage in Malawi. I am very proud of their willingness to go help out the less fortunate. They will then spend another week doing their own private photographic safari before coming home.

I feel so much better already.

There are times when I am embarrassed to be a member of this forum. This is one. I don't know if Craig Boddington is saint or sinner, I suspect he is neither, simply human like the rest of us. I do know that no one should be subjected to anonymous, second hand accusations of wrong doing. If no one has the balls to put their name to these allegations, then they should be ignored.

Terry Reese

Just some observations, nothing more.

1. All internet forums/chat rooms/information boards etc. suffer from the same problems that this topic has manifested.

2. Members of these sites come and go, many times over discussions such as this one.

3. Jealousy of others "success" is merely part of life, and not just on the internet. It is a part of the human condition that will never go away. Some folks are better at coping with it and handling it then others.

4. AR has been around for a while and will continue to stay around for as long as the PTB's that run the place want to mess with it.

5. Over moderation of any site is just as bad as too little moderation.

There is an 800 pound Gorilla and an Elephant in the room. Which on is the Elephant? Geoff Miller or California Rigby.

In an earlier post I made a comment that not-so-obliquely referenced Dave Fulson and his role in this thread. The comment was inaccurate and I apologize for what was an intemperate remark.

quote:

Originally posted by Thomasjohn:
There is an 800 pound Gorilla and an Elephant in the room. Which on is the Elephant? Geoff Miller or California Rigby.

+1

If I have learned anything from this witch hunt after Boddington, it is that we all put a great deal of trust in who we book our hunts with and where our Ph takes us to hunt. When I hunted water buffalo in the NWT in Australia,, I can promise you, I have no idea where I was in terms to any boundaries etc. I put my faith in my Ph that all was in order, papers, licenses etc. I found going to hunt in Austrailia frustrating and time consuming as to all the rules, permits, firearm licenses, transporting bullets[ considered harzardous materials there]etc but i had a great hunt.
Ask yourselves, how many times do we ask to see all the supporting documents and permits etc when we arrive on safari. We might dang sure better in the future but when I am hunting with the same company and Ph's, my nature is to trust that all has been done legally for the hunt. I honestly believe that Craig feels he has violated no laws or rules. Enough said. In the recent past, there were a large number of hunters from Texas and Oklahoma hit with Lacy act violations due to hunting on a private ranch where "all licencess and permits ' were part of the fee to hunt there, the problem being, the hunting company did not buy the licenses so the Fed's went after all the hunters who had signed in to the lodge. Like I said, I now question all the facts when I arrive and ask to see my paperwork. My opinion of Craig Boddington is still the same,, great patriot, great american, just human like the rest of us but being a very public figure makes him a noteable target. Not being famous, I guess my wife can still sell all my old crap, hunting gwear, shirts,caps etc in her garage sales to fund "her" retirement....

You just jogged my memory with the Texas lodge comment.

In this case with Craig, I very much doubt that
he, his daighter etc have been the only ones taken to that location / area.

So, why is it that this hunt became such an issue and not any others that have occurred.

Even though Aust and the NT are big, most know
what others are doing, people talk.

So why didn't anyone do anything BEFORE the hunt
that CB was on.

Just a thought.

Rather than debating over a USMC Brigadier General (smart people do not mess about with any Marine, least of all with one wearing stars), perhaps the following advice might better serve those of you who appear to spend far too much time name calling from behind a keyboard or bemoaning the conduct of those who do (albeit, also from behind a keyboard).

Points 1, 11, 12 & 17 are very applicable in dealing with anonymous internet posts.

How to Become a Full Fledged Curmudgeon

Have you finally given up on becoming a sex god, movie star, billionaire or genius during your life? You may be ready to become a curmudgeon!

Curmudgeons are falsely believed to be grumpy old men, along the lines of Walter Matthau or Andy Rooney. The truth is we can be any gender or any age. Curmudgeons are supremely independent thinkers, very wise, and have excellent senses of humor!

1. Curmudgeons are not pleasers! You must not care to be popular or liked. If that matters to you, go to therapy!


2. Curmudgeons are not crabby - that is a myth. We tell the truth, and some people don't like that. Tell Junior what you really think of his writing. Tell Aunt Ida that she's got bad breath. Don't be mean about it, but don't try to make everything sound pretty!

3.Curmudgeons do not follow 'trends'! You must learn to think for yourself! If a popular media figure says something is great, you don't care for it. If most of the people around you like a TV show, gadget or movie, it makes you yawn. You may need to try forcing yourself not to like what's popular until you learn to think independently.

4.Curmudgeons do not shop! Find something else to do with your time, like go for walks, garden, or take up a craft (it does not need to be a good or useful craft - it's the process that counts).

5.Curmudgeons do not like new things. Poke around the attic, garage or basement until you find that old thing you used to use, rather than buy something new. Or borrow it!

6, Curmudgeons dress for comfort! Women - throw out those tight clothes, restrictive underwear (thongs), high heels and pantyhose. Men - throw out those white button down shirts, ties and belts (try suspenders). Wear things that feel good and let you breathe!

7. Curmudgeons do not care for the latest styles. Throw away your fashion magazines. We read fashion magazine to have a good laugh!

8. Curmudgeons do not go to fitness centers to exercise. If forced to go by your spouse, go when the crowds die down and do not wear spandex! Spend a lot of time in the steam room or sauna.

9. Curmudgeons go outside to exercise. Try shooting, playing with the dog or puttering around the yard.

10.Curmudgeons tend to own pets. If you do not already have one, get a dog, cat or parrot (that you teach to curse). Pets give you something to talk to when you upset the ones you love by being you.

11, Curmudgeons are not angry people. Never yell at anyone or say things to upset them. Stupidity has its own rewards. Hold your tongue and you won't be the stupid one.

12. Curmudgeons do not argue. Let people believe whatever stupidity they hold onto and just walk away.

13. Curmudgeons do like to tell good stories. Work up some good short stories that tell about interesting experiences you've had or people you've known. Learn how to time them so they are never boring or repetitive. An ironic twist at the end is helpful.

14.Curmudgeons have excellent senses of humor. Find the humor in at least 5 things you see every day. Smile or laugh and catch someone's eye to share the moment.

15. Curmudgeons do not smell! Bathe regularly and do not use colognes. Nothing blows your effectiveness as a speaker more than bad or overwhelming odors!

16. If you must smoke tobacco, make it a cigar or use a pipe.

17. You may lose friends when you stop agreeing with people all the time, but they are seldom friends you will miss much.

18. Curmudgeons may drink, but they do not get drunk. Nothing makes you stupid faster than getting sloppy with your drinking.

19. If you need to work for a living, you may need to tone down your curmudgeonly tendencies at work, or at least with the boss.

20. Some curmudgeons resort to punning - proceed at your own risk!

This whole thread is based on a disagreement between two outfitters, but the two main posters here on this thread knew this would be zeroed in on Boddington not the two outfitters.

Everyone knows that smoke and mirrors are used in court actions, and IMO that is what is happening here , and the posters feigning innocence, when these unsubstantiated statements by a complainant would not be allowed in court because it is hearsay!

The truth has nothing to do with the way a jury decides, it is, as is well known, it is the first half truths and innuendo presented by a smart lawyer at the proper time that decides innocence or guilt, because then the assumption of innocence till proven guilty is ignored because of the smoke and mirrors presented by the accuser, and his representatives be they true or false. The BS has been introduced!

Poor taste fund raising is not unlawful, and was done in Craig’s absence, and the accusations of hunting in a wrong area are on an outfitter, but dirt was successfully laid at the doorstep of Craig Boddington. Now who is posting smoke and mirrors unjustly?

I say if there is blame to be assigned, and there could very well be, at least assign it to the right person. If the hunt was indeed in the wrong place, that is the fault of the outfitter, not the client!

IMO this has done some serious undeserved damage to Craig Boddington, as well as Accurate Reloading website and the members of this website, and has served nobody well, while making enemies of some good folks on both sides of this unsubstantiated crap!


...........................................................................................dig a grave and bury this fiasco .

Newly acquired Petersen Hunting magazine... check. Going to read it now.

This thread is a sad reflection on human nature in general. The articles in Hunting should be more entertaining and less depressing.

Y'all take care.

If Boddington & Pennicott are 100% sure the hunts were all totally legal & above board,
I dont see the personal need/request to put the shipment of trophies on hold.
As I understand it, the Oz gov/authorities, are not withholding the shipment of the trophies.

However, considering Mr.Boddington has since expressed personal doubts as to how sure he once was
of his actual location on the ground,
then he may also be now haboring serious doubts as to the legality of the hunts run by Pennicott.

&...why did Boddington make a decision to delay the shipment of trophies,
including some that according to him, are not even his/claims he didn't even shoot??

I would only do that if I had a new suspicion,revelation[or fear] that the hunts may have in fact been illegal
[despite previous assurances that it was all legal]
and that going ahead and importing those various trophies into the US, could result in implementation of the Lacey Act,
on those US citizens involved in those particular OZ based hunts.

quote:

Originally posted by craig boddington:
Okay, I just went back and carefully read Jailee Wilson's emails, and the emails from one of the XXXXXXX-men. Of course I know who that is...but I don't recall him or anyone else asking me if I was coming to Australia last year. If he asked, perhaps it wasn't planned then, but I don't recall the conversation. When Ms. Wilson contacted me she accused me specifically of an illegal hunt. I still believe one has to have hunted in order to have hunted illegally, so I asked her for more information and exactly who was accusing me. I never got a reply, but I do understand that Ms. Wilson has a relationship (whether family, professional or personal I do not know) with the outfitter who started the accusations. The redacted emails also give me no information on who is accusing either me or our hunting party, which continues to be disturbing. Again, my understanding has been that the Australians laid this to rest long since, but I think, for Greg Pennicott's sake if not for mine, this forum should lay off on the subject. For the record, the trophies taken are still in Australia. The first accusation bubbled before the conventions this year (also directed at me personally), so I asked Greg to not ship anything--including our water buffalo that are not in question--until this is fully resolved. So regardless of the circumstances, there is no violation of U.S. law for the hunters and certainly not for Greg Pennicott...but this situation is for Greg to sort out. Whether he will do so on this forum or not I don't know, but I will be more than happy to let you know when I know!
Thanks, Craig

quote:

Originally posted by MJines:
Yesterday, Craig decides to post his defense of the allegations regarding a hunt in Australia. In response to Craig's defense of his actions, Larry posts information that might suggest another view. Then Larry is castigated for doing so. The facts are what the facts are on the hunt, but Larry should not be criticized it seems to me for coming in and posting information relevant to the subject Craig himself raised. In fact, Craig acknowledged, "[a]fter reading Ms. Wilson's emails I freely admit that I am much less certain exactly where we were." Larry did not start the thread and go looking for a fight, he simply provided additional information relevant to the issue on a thread started by Craig.

Some people are simply incapable of remaining objective.
In some peoples minds Boddington can post & say what ever he likes,
However if someone else posts something pertinent to the subject,[that may be contrary to what Boddington posts],
they are somehow then accused of attempting some sort of character assassination toward CraigB.
Be reminded, Larry Shores did not start the illegal hunt accusation against Boddington, nor did Larry start this thread.
Nor is Larryshores telling people what to think or believe.

Trax,

You are correct. Larry posted information that was counter to the claims of the original poster. A smart move would have been not to post at all as he has done nothing to bolster his claims nor has anyone else come forward to bolster CB's claims. I would seriously doubt CB or anyone he was with would have knowingly broken the law. However, CB is not sure where the hunts took place. He obviously was aware of a problem as he was contacted by Aussie authorities. Why under those conditions would you choose to start a thread on an international forum? Who even brought it up? The main issue was the total cheese of Conrad whatever. This thread should have never started.

Jeff

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:
This whole thread is based on a disagreement between two outfitters, but the two main posters here on this thread knew this would be zeroed in on Boddington not the two outfitters.

Everyone knows that smoke and mirrors are used in court actions, and IMO that is what is happening here , and the posters feigning innocence, when these unsubstantiated statements by a complainant would not be allowed in court because it is hearsay!

The truth has nothing to do with the way a jury decides, it is, as is well known, it is the first half truths and innuendo presented by a smart lawyer at the proper time that decides innocence or guilt, because then the assumption of innocence till proven guilty is ignored because of the smoke and mirrors presented by the accuser, and his representatives be they true or false. The BS has been introduced!

Poor taste fund raising is not unlawful, and was done in Craig’s absence, and the accusations of hunting in a wrong area are on an outfitter, but dirt was successfully laid at the doorstep of Craig Boddington. Now who is posting smoke and mirrors unjustly?

I say if there is blame to be assigned, and there could very well be, at least assign it to the right person. If the hunt was indeed in the wrong place, that is the fault of the outfitter, not the client!

IMO this has done some serious undeserved damage to Craig Boddington, as well as Accurate Reloading website and the members of this website, and has served nobody well, while making enemies of some good folks on both sides of this unsubstantiated crap!


...........................................................................................dig a grave and bury this fiasco .

Amen

quote:

This whole thread is based on a disagreement between two outfitters, but the two main posters here on this thread knew this would be zeroed in on Boddington not the two outfitters.

Take a reality check!
Boddington is the one who started this thread.
CB has been around long enough in the public arena to know what can happen when one goes public with ones affairs.
CB has attempted to publicly vindicate himself through AR,
& through the same channel,Larryshores has posted info[privi emails] pertinent to the subject Boddington started.
....some people however, take objection to Larry doing that.

Consider those emails BS if you want, but keep in mind that,
even by Boddingtons own admission, he himself is not so sure of all the facts surrounding the hunt in question.

quote:

assumption of innocence till proven guilty is ignored because of the smoke and mirrors presented by the accuser, and his representatives be they true or false. The BS has been introduced!

Boddington himself has expressed personal serious doubts about the details of the Banteng hunt[its location]
...CB himself is not even sure of what the actual truth is.

So much so, he requested the shipment of trophies,be delayed, even the ones[Banteng] he says he didnt shoot!

quote:

Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
No wait Larry...you have it all wrong...semper fi and fuck my bird dog Craig...Ooo you are such a gentleman.

I have grown weary and disgusted by the lack of balls and insight with this bunch of pinwheels. Maybe just maybe....Conrad Nonuts was sickingly correct.

I am just nauseated with disgust.

Jeff

This is the post that nauseated me.
Don't misinterpret my admiration for Craig Boddington.
I admire him for what he does for our sport, the same way I admire Jack Oconnor or Elmer Keith.

It was a joke dogdude. Obviously not very funny.

Jeff

Somewhere, a desperate call is being made...

Gentlemen:

I am off to St Louis for 3 days on business. I just spoke with Karl Goodhand. He is the person I got the information from. He is preparing a lengthy explanation of the entire matter.

Karl is with Karl Goodhand Safaris. He was also on the TV show Outback Hunters.

Karl once again pointed out to me that his issue was with Pennicott and not CB. Read their e mails again.

Karl indicates that his explanation and related documentation is lengthy. It won't take him 5 minutes to complete it.

I want to point out several things once again:
1-I did not start this thread.
2-I passed along e mails written by others.
3-I have said repeatedly that I didn't think that CB was aware of the problem.
4- My sole purpose in posting was to prove that this was not some internet fiction. CB had admitted that the authorities contacted him. That seems to prove that this was not some internet fiction. It also does not mean CB or his wife are guilty.
5- I have had this information for several months. If not for this thread, I would NEVER have posted the e mails.

Later.

quote:

Originally posted by Kamo Gari:
Somewhere, a desperate call is being made...

You are channeling the spirit of Ray Ray in this. That is the lowest blow I have seen so far!!!!

Very well done and funny...

My "ignore list" has just gotten longer thanks to some who have gone way above and beyond in this fiasco. Folks I used to think were a plus on this sight, and valued their input will no longer be a part of my daily reading. A shame in lots of ways, but I guess you really DON"T know the people who post until their true self shows in cases like this.

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Gentlemen:

I am off to St Louis for 3 days on business. I just spoke with Karl Goodhand. He is the person I got the information from. He is preparing a lengthy explanation of the entire matter.

Karl is with Karl Goodhand Safaris. He was also on the TV show Outback Hunters.

Karl once again pointed out to me that his issue was with Pennicott and not CB. Read their e mails again.

Karl indicates that his explanation and related documentation is lengthy. It won't take him 5 minutes to complete it.

I want to point out several things once again:
1-I did not start this thread.
2-I passed along e mails written by others.
3-I have said repeatedly that I didn't think that CB was aware of the problem.
4- My sole purpose in posting was to prove that this was not some internet fiction. CB had admitted that the authorities contacted him. That seems to prove that this was not some internet fiction. It also does not mean CB or his wife are guilty.
5- I have had this information for several months. If not for this thread, I would NEVER have posted the e mails.

Later.

Larry, those of us who remained objective and did not fall into the hero worship trap were able to realize these points. I didn't see your comments as being on a witch hunt. I saw you simply providing information on where the allegations originated that encouraged Col. Boddington to start this thread in the first place.

Many here did not want to hear anything that could possibly reflect negatively on Craig. Funny, but it seems almost to a man, with the exception of Saeed, that the objectors here are the very same people who didn't want to hear anything that could possibly reflect positively on Mark Sullivan in the recent threads. And I think that was Mike Jines' message all along!

Lest anyone get the wrong idea, which they certainly will, this post is not intended as anything negative towards Col. Boddington, nor positive towards Sullivan. It's a commentary on the hypocritical tendencies to vilify one man by listening to every negative comment and denying every positive comment (Sullivan) while at the same time worshiping another man by listening to every positive comment and denying even the possibility of anything negative (Boddington).

Again, my beef was the tasteless fundraising, not the other issues raised. I figured if there was anything amiss, Col. Boddington, as would be the case with the vast majority of clients, would be completely unaware and the blame would be on the outfitter.

There was a lot of talk in this thread about not discussing a public issue that had been previously raised for fear it would hurt Craig's professional standing. I didn't see the same concern for hush hushing public issues that had been previously raised that would hurt Sullivan's professional standing. And the real kicker here is the fact that these opinions on who to support and who to vilify are based solely on perceived personal personas without really knowing either man.

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Originally posted by lone stranger:
This is starting to read like an Obama campaign blog.

When you have no facts, just make them up and slander another person, of whom, you know little, probably have never/ will never met. The slander is done hiding behind a keyboard and none of those peddling this stuff, would ever have the balls to walk up to General Boddington FACE TO FACE and make these slanders.

It is "the way of the internet" and hardly unique to this blog. The people who do this can usually be identified by looking at those who make 20 posts per day as they have no life, have never stood in harms way, never been the hunter or writer the General is and are the spoiled children of envy.

They conspire to control every site they inhabit and spend their empty lives attacking real men and getting any member who debates their BS banned.

Can assure this user ID will soon be banned for telling the truth as have many others ..... most recently Silvertip1 whose only sin was calling out a serial bully (FOsteology) who on this site and others hides behind his keyboard and lies, slanders, insults and is, apparently, able to control whom is allowed on the site and whom is not.

General, I wish you luck. You can be quite confident that there is no chance of objective moderation or those who lie about others ever being called to task.

It's sad, as folks who come here getting informed advice or having an honest debate will find those who would wish to point them to accurate sources, share experiences or take an opposing viewpoint to the "in crowd" will have been or soon will be "getting "the sack."

The liars, thread pirates, off topic posters, slanderers and insulters have a free pass.

It's a good site to buy stuff from honest folks but posting is a waste of time as this thread is an exemplar for. (those from Hondo, TX can look it up)

That's All Folks

AWWWW is everybody picking on 22WRF again?

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Originally posted by Todd Williams:

Many here did not want to hear anything that could possibly reflect negatively on Craig. Funny, but it seems almost to a man, with the exception of Saeed, that the objectors here are the very same people who didn't want to hear anything that could possibly reflect positively on Mark Sullivan in the recent threads. And I think that was Mike Jines' message all along!

Lest anyone get the wrong idea, which they certainly will, this post is not intended as anything negative towards Col. Boddington, nor positive towards Sullivan. It's a commentary on the hypocritical tendencies to vilify one man by listening to every negative comment and denying every positive comment (Sullivan) while at the same time worshiping another man by listening to every positive comment and denying even the possibility of anything negative (Boddington).

Again, my beef was the tasteless fundraising, not the other issues raised. I figured if there was anything amiss, Col. Boddington, as would be the case with the vast majority of clients, would be completely unaware and the blame would be on the outfitter.

There was a lot of talk in this thread about not discussing a public issue that had been previously raised for fear it would hurt Craig's professional standing. I didn't see the same concern for hush hushing public issues that had been previously raised that would hurt Sullivan's professional standing. And the real kicker here is the fact that these opinions on who to support and who to vilify are based solely on perceived personal personas without really knowing either man.

Todd I can't believe you see these two people as even close to being on the same side of the universe ethically! There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about finding these two people as different as day and night.

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