I would also like to say that I was ashamed of the behavior of many people on this thread, who came crawling out of the bushes like a hyena when blood was smelled.

That said, I love the fact that a "Potentially" dishonest operation has been feretted out, and appreciate the people who stand up for other hunters.

I don't think a resolution has been reached in this matter, from what I've read here, however, and a "Potentially" honest/innocent man has now been crucified and possibly had his business ruined.

I like the zeal, but have to question the motive or delivery of some posters on this, and other, threads.

Trademark Texan

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The outfitter and his father used to hunt with Russ Broom in Zim. I think his father is still there. The outfitter told me they take 5 leopard a year, and have not failed to get a client's leopard yet. I think it's been 4 years. Their buff are between 39" and 42" typically.

I don’t know who is misreading? 5 leopards taken in one year and only 3 on quota and “MY commentary†might saving some hunter money and time and possible deeper knowledge of Mozambican prison!

Anyhow from your comment I get a vibe that you don’t understand why I would go to the trouble of spending my time and money on gathering the facts and making them known on this board?

Perhaps, just a clever marketing trick?

To get some “competition†out of the way?

Whatever crossing your mind, try to think about the basic thing first or is everything somebody does must be about making a buck?

I am assuring you will not find any advertising, any website or any brochure from my hunting operation anywhere and we do not any marketing at all. So what could be the motivation for ME to put the facts on the table for everyone to see?????
Think about it, very simple and it used to be very common!

You are free to book with this outfit I couldn’t car less but don’t put the blame on Mozambique as a hunting destination if you end up trouble.

By the way I doubt it that Mr. Taylor will have a legal Mozambique hunting license for the next couple of years.

I will be and have been criticised from colleges and government people for bringing those things in to the open, but I will continue doing so till there is a acceptable business / hunting ethics in place again.

Mozambique is a great hunting country with excellent opportunities for serious outfitters and clients. The problems are not exclusive to Mozambique it is the same all over the only different we don’t hide it.

You know the different between a car sales man and a good mechanic?
The salesman telling you this is a perfect car for you, the mechanic tells you what a the problems are on the car.
If you want a “Perfect Car†listen to the salesman if you want a fair deal talk to the mechanic first!

I surely hope that people making their own judgments but not on my “commentary†but on logic, facts and sound information?

Good hunting

I misunderstood the statement...I am sorry for that, and thanks for clarifying.

My posts were made because I viewed "us" (AR members) as taking on the duties of judge/jury/exocutioner before facts were made known by all parties. I did not have you in mind when I made them, but rather some members who continued to make inflamatory posts while the question was still in doubt, all the while mis-representing statements that were made.

Again, I am glad that dishonorable outfits are brought to task in this community, but some people just like to throw fuel on the flames, regardless of who they hurt in the process.

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:
I would also like to say that I was ashamed of the behavior of many people on this thread, who came crawling out of the bushes like a hyena when blood was smelled.

Personally, my motive in the few posts I made here was to question why someone coming here to support or defend a hunting operation has to start by criticzing Accurate Reloading, its members generally, and certain long-standing members in particular. I think we all welcome those with real information about the matters at issue here. I just think that polite discourse is more likely to benefit those who seek to sell services to hunters or those who would support them.

If that makes me a hyena, so be it.

quote:

Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:
I would also like to say that I was ashamed of the behavior of many people on this thread, who came crawling out of the bushes like a hyena when blood was smelled.

Personally, my motive in the few posts I made here was to question why someone coming here to support or defend a hunting operation has to start by criticzing Accurate Reloading, its members generally, and certain long-standing members in particular. I think we all welcome those with real information about the matters at issue here. I just think that polite discourse is more likely to benefit those who seek to sell services to hunters or those who would support them.

If that makes me a hyena, so be it.

I agree. Unfortunately, it seems that the trend is towards Tar/Feather first, polite discourse second.

I don't like to see people make blanket statements, either, especially when they haven't been around long enough to get a "feel" for things on a forum, but I've never had my honor, integrity, and business practices brought to question on a public forum, either.

If the "defendants" had made a gentler entry into the discussion, I'm sure it would have remained more civil.

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:

I don't think a resolution has been reached in this matter, from what I've read here, however, and a "Potentially" honest/innocent man has now been crucified and possibly had his business ruined.

Huh? The PH was using a falsified Zim PH license to hunt in Moz. He was caught red handed. Are we to now fantasize that there may be some 'explanation' which would magically make him into an honest man?

TT, I'm with you all the way.

It seems to me that the feeding frenzies just get out of control. People just come in chomping, filling the water with more and more blood. All very interesting, but generally not relevant to matters raised in the original post.

The trouble is, though, that when the tough questions get asked, both here and on the SH/PVT thread, NOBODY offers up a believable answer.

Instead, we are treated to the worst kind of insults, personal attacks and snaky moves to deflect blame and disavow personal responsibility. Those attacks simply beget like responses. (Although SH has consistently been the consummate gentleman throughout this ordeal. He has kept himself out of the gutter, and for that he has my respect--unlike others I could name.)

In the SH/PVT thread, the personal attacks were directed at SH, who dared to post a negative hunt report reflecting poorly on an AR "golden boy."

In this thread, those questioned have directed ad hominem attacks against AR members generally.

These personal attacks--coupled with the COMPLETE AND TOTAL LACK OF ANY CREDIBLE RESPONSE--is what feeds these things. Some need to remember--or be reminded--that slamming someone as a "whiner" or a "self-appointed judge" is NOT a rational rebuttal.

Rather, such tactics are designed to avoid having to provide any REAL ANSWERS, to avoid having to respond with FACTS.

As some have discovered, such tactics don't work against people who possess any critical faculty.

mrlexma

Well said.

Character assasination is never acceptable as answers when there are real questions that need to be answered and the protagonists hide behind others.

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:

I don't think a resolution has been reached in this matter, from what I've read here, however, and a "Potentially" honest/innocent man has now been crucified and possibly had his business ruined.

Huh? The PH was using a falsified Zim PH license to hunt in Moz. He was caught red handed. Are we to now fantasize that there may be some 'explanation' which would magically make him into an honest man?

I was referring to the booking agent, Mr Demby.

T.T.

Isn't a booking agent responsible for the legitimacy (or not) of his clients ie outfitters?

Also responsible for the veracity of the advertising he uses, even if he is just "passing on" what he has been told?

An agent should be sure of what he is selling, and if not, have the financial backing (or other remedies) to fix the situation. At the very least an agent's outfitter client should be able to legally operate in the countries he is selling hunts for !!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:
I misunderstood the statement...I am sorry for that, and thanks for clarifying.

My posts were made because I viewed "us" (AR members) as taking on the duties of judge/jury/exocutioner before facts were made known by all parties. I did not have you in mind when I made them, but rather some members who continued to make inflamatory posts while the question was still in doubt, all the while mis-representing statements that were made.

Again, I am glad that dishonorable outfits are brought to task in this community, but some people just like to throw fuel on the flames, regardless of who they hurt in the process.

Actually, you are pretty accurate in your assessment.

I just wanted to check in and see what has been written a lot of bad assumptions and incorrect assertions. I will have my website back up this weekend. All kinds of allegations but no one has come on the forum that has complained about my hunts- that says it all!!! I have been booking for 7 years and have had not had complaints from anyone about my services. My email I gave for accurate reloading is legitimate also. As I indicated when I get all the facts I will get back to you so give me some time. I have had a booth at SCI for the last 5 years and have a legitimate company. I have never defrauded anyone nor to I plan to do so. I give an honest hunt at an honest price.
Thanks,

Joe,
Has it ever occured to you that maybe you were lied to by the PH/Outfitter? Sometimes, crooks can be so convincing that one can easily be "fooled" into believing them - In good faith!

If I were you, i would feel fortunate I was warned, learn from it and find another outfitter/ph and continue booking safaris.

As is often repeated: if you have been long enough in this business (or any other for that matter) you will have been burnt before.

good luck!

There has been no defrauding at this point even though many on this thread are acting that way. I have all the clients deposits in escrow and the PH has not ask for them. I will return the money if the hunt does not pan our but I still belive it will. Like I said I will get back when I have verified everything. Hunters have been hunting there and had good hunts in the past two years! What else can I say!!

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
What else can I say!!

Can you tell us if any clients have hunted with a PH who is using a forged PH license?

quote:

Originally posted by jorge:
I'm sure Allen is all "broked up" about how some of you feel as he plans his next safari. As for Ernest, I am proud to call him and Allen friends, both of whose contributions to this forum are sorely missed. jorge

I might see Allen at our SCI Chapter dinner this weekend. I'm not sure if he's attending or not. If I see him I'll let everyone know how he's handling things 'post-AR'. Given the shrillness of things around here of late, Allen might be the canary in the mine.

-Steve

Just a word for Joe Demby. He arranged one hunt for me in the Caprivi,and all of his communications were correct and truthful. I continue to follow his web pages and hope to find another hunt as satisfying and money-saving as the first. Steve Graves

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
There has been no defrauding at this point even though many on this thread are acting that way. I have all the clients deposits in escrow and the PH has not ask for them. I will return the money if the hunt does not pan our but I still belive it will. Like I said I will get back when I have verified everything. Hunters have been hunting there and had good hunts in the past two years! What else can I say!!

Joe,
Nobody is denying that your clients had good past hunts or that future clients wouldn't either. the issue right now is whether the PH/outfitter that conducted those hunts was fully legit! He may be a great guy, great hunter but got caught going about it the wrong way.

There have been 2 separate respected individuals (Ganyana and Don Heath) that are part of a countries' Wildlife authority state that the PH was never licensed in Zim despite conducting safaris on a "forged" document with a local partner who, if i am not mistaken, is on the "black" list of the US Gov.

For your sake and your clients' sake do not just trust what your PH/outfitter produces as evidence in this matter. Contact local authorities directly for answers and verifications. Use knowledge available from this and other forum members to counter-check everything.

Wooo Mitch.

Grant Taylor may be guilty of using a forged Zim PH license to obtain a mozambique license, but he has, to the best of my knowledge, never "partnered" anyone on the banned list.

Two different individuals under disscussion.

This is an example of how things gotten completely out of hand- now Taylor was hunting with someone on the banned list? He hunted for Russ Broom and Russ is definitely not on the banned list.

quote:

Originally posted by Bwanamich:

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
There has been no defrauding at this point even though many on this thread are acting that way. I have all the clients deposits in escrow and the PH has not ask for them. I will return the money if the hunt does not pan our but I still belive it will. Like I said I will get back when I have verified everything. Hunters have been hunting there and had good hunts in the past two years! What else can I say!!

Joe,
Nobody is denying that your clients had good past hunts or that future clients wouldn't either. the issue right now is whether the PH/outfitter that conducted those hunts was fully legit! He may be a great guy, great hunter but got caught going about it the wrong way.

There have been 2 separate respected individuals (Ganyana and Don Heath) that are part of a countries' Wildlife authority state that the PH was never licensed in Zim despite conducting safaris on a "forged" document with a local partner who, if i am not mistaken, is on the "black" list of the US Gov.

For your sake and your clients' sake do not just trust what your PH/outfitter produces as evidence in this matter. Contact local authorities directly for answers and verifications. Use knowledge available from this and other forum members to counter-check everything.

I have booked for several hunters in Namibia, RSA, Zimbabwe, and Tanzania over the years and no one to my knowlege had this problem and all of my clients have had fully legal documentation to get their trophies back to the USA. Do not see this as an issue for any or my clients on past hunts?

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
What else can I say!!

Can you tell us if any clients have hunted with a PH who is using a forged PH license?

Tradmark: I appreciate you support in this matter, what you have said is exactly what has happened. I have a great client record but have been horse whipped on this forum and I am sure have lost a lot of potential clients with bookings in Namibia, RSA, Tanzania, Argentina, New Zealand, etc. because of what has been said on this forum!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by TrademarkTexan:

I don't think a resolution has been reached in this matter, from what I've read here, however, and a "Potentially" honest/innocent man has now been crucified and possibly had his business ruined.

Huh? The PH was using a falsified Zim PH license to hunt in Moz. He was caught red handed. Are we to now fantasize that there may be some 'explanation' which would magically make him into an honest man?

I was referring to the booking agent, Mr Demby.

For you edification, I have never booked hunts in Zimababwe with anyone that did not have a license. I have only booked for Russ Broon, Jannie Meyer, Boet Van Aarde, and Ken King all of whom are full licensed and very reputable. Again this is an example of be accused inaccurately.

quote:

Originally posted by NitroX:
T.T.

Isn't a booking agent responsible for the legitimacy (or not) of his clients ie outfitters?

Also responsible for the veracity of the advertising he uses, even if he is just "passing on" what he has been told?

An agent should be sure of what he is selling, and if not, have the financial backing (or other remedies) to fix the situation. At the very least an agent's outfitter client should be able to legally operate in the countries he is selling hunts for !!!!!!!!!!!!

A comment you your comment. If Grant has a problem with his license that does not mean that a PHs with up-to-date legal license cannot do the hunts in Mozambique- did you ever think about that? I will ensure only a legally licensed PH is conducting the hunts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Bwanamich:

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
There has been no defrauding at this point even though many on this thread are acting that way. I have all the clients deposits in escrow and the PH has not ask for them. I will return the money if the hunt does not pan our but I still belive it will. Like I said I will get back when I have verified everything. Hunters have been hunting there and had good hunts in the past two years! What else can I say!!

Joe,
Nobody is denying that your clients had good past hunts or that future clients wouldn't either. the issue right now is whether the PH/outfitter that conducted those hunts was fully legit! He may be a great guy, great hunter but got caught going about it the wrong way.

There have been 2 separate respected individuals (Ganyana and Don Heath) that are part of a countries' Wildlife authority state that the PH was never licensed in Zim despite conducting safaris on a "forged" document with a local partner who, if i am not mistaken, is on the "black" list of the US Gov.

For your sake and your clients' sake do not just trust what your PH/outfitter produces as evidence in this matter. Contact local authorities directly for answers and verifications. Use knowledge available from this and other forum members to counter-check everything.

Joe, don,
I apologise. i wasn't sure about the "black" list relation and was working from memory. My point was simply that one should check and then double check all sources at their disposal.

No harm meant!

Al: thanks for all the research. I have been in business for several years and have booked may hunts all over the word. I try to keep my hunt costs down very low to help the middle income type hunter that has to save up for hunts and is not independently wealth. I have been able to give hunter great hunts a great deals over the year. An example is last year I put a hunter in zimababwe for a last minute elephant buffalo combination and he took a great cape buffalo and an elephant bull in the high 60's. I do hunts like this all the time and can provide you a long list of clients as references that will firmly vouch for my honest and trustworthness. I also give a lot of hands on help and prepare a detailed hunt package that very few of the big operators do which all my clients have told me they really appriciate. I have a valid business license and I am in good standing with SCI. We make custom made hunting and fishing quilts and wall handings for hunters that want to enhance their trophy room or bedroom. Have sold quilts and wall hangins to both men and women hunters and men hunters wives. We will design and color coordinate a quilts to match the decor and I have custom embroidery patters for most of the animals in africa that look like a high quality picture when completed with many color thread and we can put a hunters animals in blocks on their quilt with their name date of hunt and emborider the outline of the country they hunted (our quilts have been descirbed as works of art). We have made several donations to SCI over the years and the Internation Sables and did so again this year the the convention in Reno. Infact I recieved a very nice letter from the president of Sables thanking my wife and I for the African Savanna Quilt we donated for their annual convetion dinner and auction this year at Reno where it had a lot of lively bidding on it. Hope this hleps a bit more with your research and answers some peoples questions.

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Originally posted by 375 AI:

quote:

Originally posted by T.Carr:
His website is working Safaris and Quilts At least the first page opens, but right now nothing else seems to work on the website.

The domain is registered to "Joe Denby" which is similar to the "Joe Demby" posting here.

The following is a matter of public record. It can be obtained by anyone in the world. It is a simple matter of doing a "whois" search.

Registrant:
J&P Associates
Joe Denby
5550 Vargo Lane
Prince George, VA 23875-1900
US
Phone: 804-586-1698
Email: jdenby@firstsaga.com
Created on: 4/28/00
Expires on: 4/28/08

Both a Joe Denby and Joe Demby have listed telephones in VA. Denby is 60+ miles away in Gloucester. Demby lives in Prince George.

Note the above phone number is a cell phone and is listed on the website.

Apparently J&P Associates is a retailer of fabrics. At least they are listed by Foust Textiles as a distributor.

The follow are the Meta Tags included in the first page. These Meta Tags do not print on the web page. They are present for search engines. You include words and phrases that you feel will attract people to your site.

meta name="keywords" content="Safaris,Africa,Tanzania,Namibia,Zimbabwe,Mozambique,South Africa,Australia,New Zealand,Argentina,best deals,big game hunts,plains game,package hunts,big five,dangerous game,cape
buffalo,elephant,leopard, lion, hippo, croc, cougar,water buffalo,bird hunting,budget hunts,custom made quilts,custom made wall hangings"

meta name="description" content="Best deals on hunting safaris in Africa, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Tanzania, Mozambique, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, specials on big game and bird hunts plus custom made hunting and fishing quilts and wall hangings"

So apparently Joe D has ambitions of booking hunts most every where in the world. Or selling quilts to them.

I am feeling the same way!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by N'gagi:
Maybe I've just grown cynical after seeing how much trouble some creative people will go through to set up multiple bogus ID's, websites with just one working page, and all that jazz...

But somehow, I get the feeling this whole thing was just a well orchestrated joke at our expense.

Terry: I hope that when hunters start coming back with good reports on the operation in Mozambique and this is all cleared up that there is some way we eliminate all the harm done but I do not think so!!!

quote:

Originally posted by T.Carr:
Now that the Mozambique officials are aware of the problem, I wonder if Mr. Sellers is going to be receiving his trophies?

If Mr. Sellers does receive his trophies (or has already received his trophies), is that a violation of the Lacey Act? It might benefit Mr. Sellers to look into this, just in case.

Regards,

Terry

I know Don and I will call him myself and let him know what is going on.

quote:

Originally posted by bulldog563:
Maybe the Hunting Report and Mr. Causey would like to see this thread as Safari's and Quilts does a lot of advertising on their Bargain Hunt Board. I for one wouldn't want to be associated with them!

Joe

You only got to blame yourself for not making sure of the facts before you post.
Jumping on posters which state facts in a hasty and aggressive way attracts often the same type of response this done your business not any good.

There a people what know the situation on the ground and if you don’t have firsthand information, listen to them, ask and follow-up.

Musanaf is a legit company and has a 10 000hectare Game farm on which they can conduct hunting safaris within the allocated quota using a legally in Mozambique licensed professional hunter.

Forget about anything you been told about other areas they have. Just pipe dreams!
All areas for hunting for foreigners a registered as such and only on these areas clients can hunt legally with a type A license. Multiuse areas (common land) can not be hunted by non citizen! Quotas a valid for the described area only and a not transferable from one area to a other area.

Get yourself a letter of appointment as marketing agency from Musanaf Safaris copy of allocated quota and a map of the area. Then start selling what you have and not something what someone made you believe he got!

If you would like a copy of the Moz. Hunting law, allocated quotas for 2006, legal operators etc. PM me and I will give you the e-mail of the Chairman of the Mozambique Outfitter organisation AMOS he will forward it to you.

Hope you do the Mozambique things right the 3rd time around!


Regards

Mr. Demby,

Are you saying that Mr. Grant Taylor did not use a fake PH license? The evidence indicates that he did. Or didn't any of your clients hunt with Mr. Taylor? Please clarify. Thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
I have booked for several hunters in Namibia, RSA, Zimbabwe, and Tanzania over the years and no one to my knowlege had this problem and all of my clients have had fully legal documentation to get their trophies back to the USA. Do not see this as an issue for any or my clients on past hunts?

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
What else can I say!!

Can you tell us if any clients have hunted with a PH who is using a forged PH license?

None have ever hunted with him in Zimababwe. I never said they did that is what is unbelievable about this whole thing!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Mr. Demby,

Are you saying that Mr. Grant Taylor did not use a fake PH license? The evidence indicates that he did. Or didn't any of your clients hunt with Mr. Taylor? Please clarify. Thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
I have booked for several hunters in Namibia, RSA, Zimbabwe, and Tanzania over the years and no one to my knowlege had this problem and all of my clients have had fully legal documentation to get their trophies back to the USA. Do not see this as an issue for any or my clients on past hunts?

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
What else can I say!!

Can you tell us if any clients have hunted with a PH who is using a forged PH license?

Thanks for the info and I will address this at a later date. There is more information here that what you have give and other areas.
thanks,

quote:

Originally posted by freischuetz:
Joe

You only got to blame yourself for not making sure of the facts before you post.
Jumping on posters which state facts in a hasty and aggressive way attracts often the same type of response this done your business not any good.

There a people what know the situation on the ground and if you don’t have firsthand information, listen to them, ask and follow-up.

Musanaf is a legit company and has a 10 000hectare Game farm on which they can conduct hunting safaris within the allocated quota using a legally in Mozambique licensed professional hunter.

Forget about anything you been told about other areas they have. Just pipe dreams!
All areas for hunting for foreigners a registered as such and only on these areas clients can hunt legally with a type A license. Multiuse areas (common land) can not be hunted by non citizen! Quotas a valid for the described area only and a not transferable from one area to a other area.

Get yourself a letter of appointment as marketing agency from Musanaf Safaris copy of allocated quota and a map of the area. Then start selling what you have and not something what someone made you believe he got!

If you would like a copy of the Moz. Hunting law, allocated quotas for 2006, legal operators etc. PM me and I will give you the e-mail of the Chairman of the Mozambique Outfitter organisation AMOS he will forward it to you.

Hope you do the Mozambique things right the 3rd time around!


Regards

Joe,

How about in Mozambique or elsewhere?

I think what people are getting at is that if he has used a fake/out of date/forged or otherwise none valid Zim PH License to obtain PH accreditation elsewhere, he's effectively illegal in those countries as well by default..

Also, according to Ganyana, there is now a warrent out for his arrest in Zim, so his availability for future hunts, at least in the short term, is a little uncertain to say the least..

Regards,

Pete

quote:

Ganyana

Pete-moderator, I have confirmed that there is no warrant out for Grant Taylor's arrest by his lawyer in Zimababwe and if Ganyana said that his is either mistaken or said this for other reasons. I am going to ask him about it. Wanted to ask you if you were aware as moderator that because this website is a moderated website that anyone that posts a false or slanderous comment is liable to a lawsuit in court?

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
None have ever hunted with him in Zimababwe. I never said they did that is what is unbelievable about this whole thing!!!!!!!

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:
Mr. Demby,

Are you saying that Mr. Grant Taylor did not use a fake PH license? The evidence indicates that he did. Or didn't any of your clients hunt with Mr. Taylor? Please clarify. Thank you.

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
I have booked for several hunters in Namibia, RSA, Zimbabwe, and Tanzania over the years and no one to my knowlege had this problem and all of my clients have had fully legal documentation to get their trophies back to the USA. Do not see this as an issue for any or my clients on past hunts?

quote:

Originally posted by 500grains:

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:
What else can I say!!

Can you tell us if any clients have hunted with a PH who is using a forged PH license?

So they hunted with him in Moz? After he presented a fake PH license in Moz?

quote:

Originally posted by Joe Demby:

quote:

Ganyana

Pete-moderator, I have confirmed that there is no warrant out for Grant Taylor's arrest by his lawyer in Zimababwe and if Ganyana said that his is either mistaken or said this for other reasons. I am going to ask him about it. Wanted to ask you if you were aware as moderator that because this website is a moderated website that anyone that posts a false or slanderous comment is liable to a lawsuit in court?

A) I'm not sure this joker's lawyer is the best source for reliable information

B) UH OH! IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE IS CALLING DOUG CHESTER, ESQ.!

Best,

John

John, I think you are being a bit unfair here. If Joe had said "I spoke to Grant and HE said there is no warrant out", you could say "well, how would he know" or "well if he knew would he tell you". Presumably by talking to Grant's lawyer Joe is finessing that statement. Let me ask you this: "What would satisfy YOU, whether or not there was a warrant out for Grant's arrest". Who should Joe talk to? Or is it up to Joe to run around and then you just find fault with what he did? To put it another way, why can't Ganyana state what evidence he has for his statement? Why has no one asked him? Or is 'ol Ganyana "one of us" and so we just don't do that sort of thing? Not flaming, just trying to see both sides here. Or is that what a moderator is supposed to do?
Peter.

Peter, the courts issue warrants, not private lawyers. There is no reason a lawyer would even know there is a warrant out until his client is actually arrested.