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I can see that this request is not being listened to. I am very curious to see if Mr. Demby comes back on and provides details of what he has "found" I tried to email his address listed in his profile but it is a bogus email address. His web page is defunct as well. I hope that all of the individuals including the fella that started this topic can get out of this mess with the $$$ back. crl The average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty; and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies. | |||
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yes I did but thought it worth repeating as one of "the 3 or 4" made a post shortly after my first. Having the Huzpa to mention ethics. Also AD was mentioned,whom did indeed state he was leaving for a different reason | |||
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His website is working Safaris and Quilts At least the first page opens, but right now nothing else seems to work on the website. Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Thanks for the clarification Terry. I should have chosen my words better. crl | |||
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Jorge, "As for Ernest, I am proud to call him and Allen friends, both of whose contributions to this forum are sorely missed. jorge" Thanks for having the guts to say it. Rich Elliott Rich Elliott Ethiopian Rift Valley Safaris | |||
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Agreed. I liked what they had to say. | |||
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I think you should heed your own advise. IMO you've been know to stir up the pot yourself.  | |||
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Thanks Rich - my sentiments as well. The strength of this site has been and will continue to be the EXPERIENCE-BASED opinions of the men and women who contribute. I also miss some of our old "regulars" who have moved on even with some of the apparent baggage which has been beaten mercilessly to death here. Hope to see Ernest and Allen (along with a few more) back one day. Phil | |||
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Sort of answered your own post huh? jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Nope, the intent or expectation of my original post was not intended to get the thread off topic. Rather ironic dont you think Jorge that on a thread (this one)that has exposed the questionable ethics and honesty of an individual people are trying to revive/rehabilitate Ernest (dont know the story on Allen Day)?? His true character and trustworthiness were exposed in the PVT fiasco and in his own little double rife debacle. Lets stay focused on the Quilts issues on this thread and we can start another on Ernest if you like. Fair enough? | |||
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Pure conjecture on your part not based on anything truthful I read, especially on the double which myself and others here fired and I had no agenda. What I find contradictory is that you got off topic by mentioning Ernest and Allen, yet when others try to come to their just defense you quip for getting off topic in the first place. I have no interest in starting anything let another soap opera thread so other gossip queens can chime in with unsubstatiated half truths and enuendo on a man that was on the periphery and dragged in by the same gent that asked for his help. jorge EDITED BY jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I for one have not "gone" anywhere. Please don't worry your mindless little heads about me. Mr. Sellers is fine, as well as my trophies!!. I find the irony in this is that I will soon be back in Mozambique hunting with Grant Taylor and having the time of my life, while all of you buffleheads will be here playing with yourself and each other on your "puters". Good day!! PS - The very first time I came on this site, I couldn't help but notice how most everyone here bowed and worshipped the one called ganananana. The last time I heard of someone having this much power over people, is when Jim Jones was having his grape koolaid party down South. Beware of purple drinks!! | |||
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Larry Don't worry about us, well some of us anyway. As you have seen a lot of people are not as gullible as you might have thought. | |||
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The domain is registered to "Joe Denby" which is similar to the "Joe Demby" posting here. The following is a matter of public record. It can be obtained by anyone in the world. It is a simple matter of doing a "whois" search. Registrant: J&P Associates Joe Denby 5550 Vargo Lane Prince George, VA 23875-1900 US Phone: 804-586-1698 Email: jdenby@firstsaga.com Created on: 4/28/00 Expires on: 4/28/08 Both a Joe Denby and Joe Demby have listed telephones in VA. Denby is 60+ miles away in Gloucester. Demby lives in Prince George. Note the above phone number is a cell phone and is listed on the website. Apparently J&P Associates is a retailer of fabrics. At least they are listed by Foust Textiles as a distributor. The follow are the Meta Tags included in the first page. These Meta Tags do not print on the web page. They are present for search engines. You include words and phrases that you feel will attract people to your site. meta name="keywords" content="Safaris,Africa,Tanzania,Namibia,Zimbabwe,Mozambique,South Africa,Australia,New Zealand,Argentina,best deals,big game hunts,plains game,package hunts,big five,dangerous game,cape buffalo,elephant,leopard, lion, hippo, croc, cougar,water buffalo,bird hunting,budget hunts,custom made quilts,custom made wall hangings" meta name="description" content="Best deals on hunting safaris in Africa, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Tanzania, Mozambique, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia, Argentina, specials on big game and bird hunts plus custom made hunting and fishing quilts and wall hangings" So apparently Joe D has ambitions of booking hunts most every where in the world. Or selling quilts to them. | |||
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Larry, Are you actually going to hunt with Grant after it has basically been shown that his Mozambique license is invalid. In case you missed it; Posted by freischuetz: "His license in Mozambique No: 44/2005 was issued on the 11 July 2005 based on a produced Zim Paper License No:10304 issued 01 April 2004 valid till 28 February 2005 . According to current information paper licenses have only been used till 3 years ago in Zimbabwe! This makes the year of last issue of the paper license 2003. Assuming the Zim license is invalid then the Mozambique license would not be valid. This issue is under investigation from DNAC ( Minister of tourisms department in charge of conservation and safari hunting) in Maputo" And this; "Last numbers issued on the old system were in the 4800B range. 3xxx numbered licenses date from the mid 1990's. When then the 1xxxx have been used in the 1970? Grant was only born in 1981??" But wait, according to Mr Demby "Grant’s PH lic # is 3066B" It would seem that either Grant or Mr. Demby were using a license number that may seem legit on first glance instead of the real (forged) one #10304 which apparently would mean he has been a PH for early 30 years. When was he born again? On a serious note. If you really are a client, and not just a stooge for Mr. Demby and/or Grant, then do yourself a favor and do some checking as to the legitimacy of all that Mr. Demby has told you, especially whether Grant even has a valid Moz license. I would think that enough questions have been raised to just maybe make you think twice. I would hate to see a fellow hunter get taken by a scam artist anyway but especially after he has been told how he is being scammed. Good Luck. | |||
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Bulldog; Grant WILL have a license again this year in Moz, you can take that to the bank!! Mr. Demby has not told me anything. I met the man for maybe 5 minutes at the SCI show, nothing more nothing less. He asked me to post MY experience in Moz, and I did just that. I will be going to Moz with ALL the details having been worked out way prior to my departure. Really, thanks for the concern. Just don't like some of the things said here, when the real details are not posted as well. Will leave it there. Have a good day and good hunting. Larry
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Good Luck on your safari. | |||
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Larry, I think you have been very patient and as forthright as you can. I hope this all gets sorted out in a positive manner for you. I know you want to believe the best about these folks you hunted with. I have two quick questions for you. First have you gotten your trophies out yet? Second, what will you do if the accusations turn out to be true? It could become a rather sticky problem. I hope for your sake it dosnt. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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For everyone's information. They just had an earthquake in Mozambique, 140 miles southwest of Beira. Wonder what the damage will be since it was the second largest reported earthqake ever along the African Rift Valley fault. The quake measured 7.5 on the Richter scale. Now that's no small earthquake. | |||
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According to news reports early this morning at least one building collapsed in Beira. The tremours could be felt in Durban and Johannesburg. It happened this morning 00h19 CAT. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Mickey you must be bored again. The mitchell ID is the only one I'm posting under. Things must be slow if you guys are once again trying to pull me into a flame war. I think I'll pass  | |||
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Carmelo I'm not interested in drawing you into anything. I'm not interested in you at all. My point was that while some are chortling about driving informative posters from the Board, particularly Allen Day, I think there time would be better spent working on real Trolls. | |||
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Allen don't be a stranger I am just one of many that enjoyed your posts. | |||
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I happened to notice an ad in the February Safari Times (SCI newspaper) page 43 for Safaris and Quilts some prices listed in the ad: 14 day Kalahari lion+ 7 plains game Pkg $37,000 all inclusive 12 lion hunt in Namibia $21,000 all inclusive 12 tuskless cow Metesi area #4 $12,500 all inclusive 7 day cape buffalo package in Zimbabwe $7,500 10 day sable package in Zimbabwe $5,995 all inclusive etc. I don't know too much about lion prices, but the ele, buff and sable are way low, don't you think?.....interesting altogether 10 hunts listed, all for serious game, ele, buff, lion, leopard. also listed a tel of 804 586 1698 ______________________________ "Are you gonna pull them pistols,...or whistle Dixie??" Josie Wales 1866 | |||
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A cell phone. | |||
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What concession are the quilts found in? | |||
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Are these free ranging quilts, or are they fenced in? What's the trophy fee?  | |||
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I was thinking of combining a quilt hunt with a guinea fowl hunt. My taxidermist can stuff the quilt guinea feathers to make a comforter. | |||
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You can not hunt quilts without a blanket permit.  Sorry, I really tried not to post on this thread but I had to get that one out. Actually, I must say that although some valid questions were raised, I think maybe some of you have been too hard on the booking agent. There is one thing missing from all the posts above, and that is negative feedback from hunters who have used this agent. Perhaps he is guilty of selling a product that he did not fully research/verify but I have not read anything from clients of his who were not pleased with his services. Just a thought. Now go back to your quilting party  | |||
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Would you guys quilt it! "There are worse memorials to a life well-lived than a pair of elephant tusks." Robert Ruark | |||
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Surprising to many but not everyone who has hunted in Africa posts here. There are a few people who hunt there that have not even heard of AR. Yeah, I know, who'd have thought. | |||
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Mickey 1- interesting observation. After reading your comments, I compiled a list of those people I know personally who have hunted in Africa. I came up with 27 people on that list, and only 6 currently post here, or on any hunting forum. 3 others posted here for a short time, and then left. | |||
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I'd have to say the same Mike. Of the dozen or so people I know that hunt in Africa, I'm the only one that visits any hunting forums on the internet. Which goes to show that it's no wonder lots of people aren't aware of the scam artists out there, since many of them have no way of knowing this from the usual hunting magazines most hunters read. For example, say your main African hunting info was gather by reading magazines such as "Hatari Times", or "African Hunter", you most likely wouldn't have heard the warnings about Out Of Africa or many of the other crooked outfitters out there... | |||
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On the other hand we have seen some real "choice" examples of outfitters and agents come and go on the 'net. I remember a self-congratulation club once existed where everyone in the "industry" was said to be a "good-guy". It would be interesting to compare how many of them have 'ridden off into the sunset' since those days. Several at last count. Unfortunately the internet also allows the "creation" of a false or self-created persona and credibility which aids sales. For a while at least. But the internet due to its interactive nature has got to be one of the greatest sources of information and reference checking as long as one can shift the chaff from the grain. Where else would we have heard of a PH having been proved (alledgedly) to forge a PH licence in real time!? | |||
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I'm always shocked that the people that I talk to that don't research hunts online. My Father in law just booked a hunt for a lioness in RSA for this summer. Booked with the first guy he met at "Outdoorarama" Not my money. | |||
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Freischuetz- I would like to point out that you have repeatedly mis-read the leopard claims. The claims are "5 for 5 on leopard, over the last 4 years" not "each of the last 4 years." I just wanted to point this out to anyone who is making their own judgements based on your commentary. Use enough gun... Shoot 'till it's dead, especially if it bites. | |||
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