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Hey gang- What if they are ALL trolls? Meaning Larry, Joe and all the usuals.
 
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Mo allegation fact that they are a group not an individual.
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And your proof of this allegation is??????????

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Mo allegation fact that they are a group not an individual.
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And your proof of this allegation is??????????

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Joe - glad to see your investigation is turning up some of the things I have questioned all along. Guanana and the dude from Moz all have there own personal motivies here it seems. The accused one here seems to have turned the tables and HE is the one bringing legal action against some of the people in question not the other way around as some have posted. I am not at liberty to speak further on this subject at this time as to not compromise the proceedings in this matter. Hopefully the moderators of this site will be as interested in investigating the multi-use crap that the Guanana group is pulling as you have been? Thanks for the update. As I said before things are going to get real interesting and I am going to love it!! Later.

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Joe Demby,

Why has your web site been down for over a month?


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Joe - glad to see your investigation is turning up some of the things I have questioned all along. Guanana and the dude from Moz all have there own personal motivies here it seems. The accused one here seems to have turned the tables and HE is the one bringing legal action against some of the people in question not the other way around as some have posted. I am not at liberty to speak further on this subject at this time as to not compromise the proceedings in this matter. Hopefully the moderators of this site will be as interested in investigating the multi-use crap that the Guanana group is pulling as you have been? Thanks for the update. As I said before things are going to get real interesting and I am going to love it!! Later.

Larry


So,

1. The PH with the fraudulent license is now filing a lawsuit.

2. You will not reveal your super-secret exculpatory evidence.

Sorry guys, but it looks like you are grasping at straws.
 
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So,

1. The PH with the fraudulent license is now filing a lawsuit.

2. You will not reveal your super-secret exculpatory evidence.

Sorry guys, but it looks like you are grasping at straws.


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I think that you are right, there is no super-secret evidence and never will be.
 
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What the hell does the unsupported accusation that more than one person is posting using one name, have to do with a PH using a fraudulent license?
I smell a rat, or at least a smoke screen.
 
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500 grains & TJ- You people here keep bringing up the fradulent license thing. Nothing has ever been proven that anyone concerned has used a fradulent license. That info was posted here by (what now seems to be a group) of people with questionable motives. Why would you assume that this information is correct? Just because if was said by a longtime poster(s)? Maybe it would be wise to back off and let this play out before you play all your cards on hear say? 91Q -nothing "super secret" here. You obviously know nothing about how lawsuits work or you wouldn't even question the fact.

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Larry: I was reading one of your older posts where you mentioned you knew John Sharp. I've hunted with him twice and booked a third time. When did you hunt with him? jorge


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500 grains & TJ- You people here keep bringing up the fradulent license thing. Nothing has ever been proven that anyone concerned has used a fradulent license. That info was posted here by (what now seems to be a group) of people with questionable motives. Why would you assume that this information is correct?


Because a picture of the fraudulent license was posted. But you ignore it and expect us to believe your mudslinging at Ganyana. Mudslinging is generally a tactic practiced only by the guilty. Frankly, nothing posted on the Safaris & Quilts side seems credible because of so many false statements (concession size, location, quotas, PH license, etc.).
 
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JUDGE: THOUGHT YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW THAT GANYANA IS NOT A PERSON BUT A GROUP OF PERSONS(4-5) IN ZIMABABWE THAT POST AS GANYANA. THEY WRITE AS ONE PERSON; HOWEVER, WHICH IS NOT BEING UPFRONT WITH THEIR POSTINGS. THEY SHOULD EACH GET THEIR OWN ID AND PASSWORD!
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Larry:

I have never met Ganyana but have had the opportunity to read his posts and have a couple of P.M. inquiries answered promptly and kindly by him.

This Safaris and Quilts thread and others piqued my interest in Ganyana and since I was in Zimbabwe within the last 20 days, I had the opportunity to ask a half dozen PH's about Ganyana, his experience, reputation and general character.

Every person asked spoke to his honesty and singlemindedness in concern for the future of Zimbabwe as a place where you could get an honest safari for an honest buck.

I have no idea if anyone has a licence in Zim or Mozambique or if they intentionally misled any authority in getting the same, but I believe that, at least according to his peers, Ganyana would never intentionally mislead a reader here. "A sick little man" is certainly not what anyone who knows him would seriously consider. "Hard, but fair" was the description given to me by more than one guy who knows him.

I'll bet he is 100 per cent correct with his allegations, but if not, he seems to be the kind of guy who would be the first to admit it.

I guess that we'll eventually see???

Since the allegations and defenses have been made, why don't we move on until someone is arrested, or better yet is convicted if guilty or aquitted if not. (And I pray for an honest person(s) to make that decision when so made.)



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Joe - glad to see your investigation is turning up some of the things I have questioned all along. Guanana and the dude from Moz all have there own personal motivies here it seems. The accused one here seems to have turned the tables and HE is the one bringing legal action against some of the people in question not the other way around as some have posted. I am not at liberty to speak further on this subject at this time as to not compromise the proceedings in this matter. Hopefully the moderators of this site will be as interested in investigating the multi-use crap that the Guanana group is pulling as you have been? Thanks for the update. As I said before things are going to get real interesting and I am going to love it!! Later.

Larry


So you are saying Grant Taylor is sueing Ganyana?
 
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Maybe it would be wise to back off and let this play out before you play all your cards on hear say? 91Q -nothing "super secret" here. You obviously know nothing about how lawsuits work or you wouldn't even question the fact.

Larry Sellers


Well, you promised us evidence, and now the evidence is being kept secret. Yet another tactic of the guilty to hide the ball.... Roll Eyes
 
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A huge Impala ram taken with a bow in the Northern Province, RSA. Ended up #2 SCI bow and is still in the Top Ten. That got me hooked in a big way.

Larry Sellers


This was Mr. Sellers post on the thread about First African Animal ever taken. Glad to know we're dealing with the kind of hunter who takes a #2 in the SCI recordbook as a first kill. Reminds me of someone else.


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Larry - I am facinated and entertained clap
What facts are in dispute? That Grant Taylor has ever been licensed to hunt in Zimbabwe?

That he was caught using a "bought" license in 2003/4?

That the Zimbabwe PH license submitted in 2005 to the mozambique authorities was not legitimate?
 
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Gentlemen- This is a trollathon and nothing more."Larry" and "Joe" have brought NOTHING to the discussion other than fuel to keep it going. Let's move on.
 
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Well, you promised us evidence, and now the evidence is being kept secret. Yet another tactic of the guilty to hide the ball.... Roll Eyes


I have this funny feeling of deja vu.

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Well, you promised us evidence, and now the evidence is being kept secret. Yet another tactic of the guilty to hide the ball.... Roll Eyes


I have this funny feeling of deja vu.

Don't know why ...........


I have this funny feeling of deja vu.

Don't know why ..........
 
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Larry Seller and Joe Demby,

Next time you are in Harare go to African Hunter magazine headquarters and tell them you are there to kick Ganyana's ass. In just a few minutes, courtesy of one old coot, you will be treated to the finest emergency medical care Zimbabwe has to offer.

Now shut up and piss off!

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Bulldog 563 - Nothing of the sort. Never mentioned anyone's name when referring to the lawsuit. You will just have to wait and see who it is as I can't and won't say anything about the suit itself.

Larry

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
Joe - glad to see your investigation is turning up some of the things I have questioned all along. Guanana and the dude from Moz all have there own personal motivies here it seems. The accused one here seems to have turned the tables and HE is the one bringing legal action against some of the people in question not the other way around as some have posted. I am not at liberty to speak further on this subject at this time as to not compromise the proceedings in this matter. Hopefully the moderators of this site will be as interested in investigating the multi-use crap that the Guanana group is pulling as you have been? Thanks for the update. As I said before things are going to get real interesting and I am going to love it!! Later.

Larry


So you are saying Grant Taylor is sueing Ganyana?
 
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Mr. Winky;
I feel very fortunate to have taken that trophy ram wtih my good friend Angus Brown of Angus Brown Safaris and the fact it was #2 SCI only added to the pleasure.
If you doubt my statement feel free to look in the SCI Bowhunting Record book for confirmation. I don't know what you are inferring by "that kind of hunter" and really don't care. Only and idiot would bring something like this up in the first place.

Larry

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A huge Impala ram taken with a bow in the Northern Province, RSA. Ended up #2 SCI bow and is still in the Top Ten. That got me hooked in a big way.

Larry Sellers


This was Mr. Sellers post on the thread about First African Animal ever taken. Glad to know we're dealing with the kind of hunter who takes a #2 in the SCI recordbook as a first kill. Reminds me of someone else.
 
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Jorge - I met John through a mutual friend several years ago at the SCI convention and have continued to keep in touch each year at the convention. I had the chance also to spend some time with him in Vic Falls 2 years ago. I have never hunted with him to date but am looking forward to doing so in the future. He was spending time after the show with the friends in Texas and this is how our friendship developed. As I said, quite the character. I would like to hear more about your hunts with John sometime and good luck on your upcoming one!!

Larry

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Larry: I was reading one of your older posts where you mentioned you knew John Sharp. I've hunted with him twice and booked a third time. When did you hunt with him? jorge
 
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500 grains- If you are basing the fradulent license (fact) on a posted picture of one on this thread, you are way behind the times. Send me your current hunting license where you live and in 10 minutes I can put a picture on it, change the name, address, dates and signatures and create a "fradulent license" out of yours and have it posted here. "It's so easy even a caveman could do it." Just because someone posted what appears to be a license in question doesn't hold water at all. Sorry, not buying into that one.

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
500 grains & TJ- You people here keep bringing up the fradulent license thing. Nothing has ever been proven that anyone concerned has used a fradulent license. That info was posted here by (what now seems to be a group) of people with questionable motives. Why would you assume that this information is correct?


Because a picture of the fraudulent license was posted. But you ignore it and expect us to believe your mudslinging at Ganyana. Mudslinging is generally a tactic practiced only by the guilty. Frankly, nothing posted on the Safaris & Quilts side seems credible because of so many false statements (concession size, location, quotas, PH license, etc.).
 
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Wow Perry, you are certainly an upstanding chap!! Who rattled your cage and prompted all the juvenile language? No physical threats to anyone on here by myself or Mr. Demby that I can see? So grow up. Perry, could you be one of the multi-users mentioned here? Something sure put a burr under your saddle, huh?

Larry

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Larry Seller and Joe Demby,

Next time you are in Harare go to African Hunter magazine headquarters and tell them you are there to kick Ganyana's ass. In just a few minutes, courtesy of one old coot, you will be treated to the finest emergency medical care Zimbabwe has to offer.

Now shut up and piss off!

Perry
 
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Larry,

Perry did not exactly use any juvenile language. He just made a suggestion as to what you should go do. Now had he said something along the lines of - You sorry sack of cat crap, I wish you would choke to death on your own fecal matter, or maybe - Your a dick!, then I could understand you thinking of him as juvenile. But as it stands, not so much.
I think what put a bur under his saddle is the fact that you are a pecker. I think his bur may have continued to grow after realizing, because you seem the type, that you would be too chickenshit to go face to face with Ganyana (or any man for that matter) and answer for your actions (being a pecker).
All that aside, I just wanted to ask you a question.
Do you like the taste of chicken?
 
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I didn't realize there were such nice people in Oklahoma but I guess BWM300MAG and Perry dispell that theory?? Obviously these are two of their most outstanding sportsman.

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Larry:

A hint as to your Okie sportsmen:

Where do the Phillies play?

You pissed off the guys (who are actually fine fellows) by not so artfully accusing folks they know and trust of fabricating a false license, etc., and doing so for personal gain.

Why don't you just let whomever file whatever and leave it at that... because so far, IMHO, you are doing more harm than good to those you wish to support.... but until then, do you really think Ganyana (or whomever) would "doctor" a license just to win an pissing contest on A.R. I think not. The African hunting community is pretty small. It just ain't worth being found out for whatever small victory won by making false accusations.

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Larry- If you are not a troll - READ the back posts on this topic...

The license of Grants' which is posted on this forum is identical to the one I have in front of me- It was sent from the Mozambique government to Zim Parks and copy to the association (which is why I have a copy). If that license was "doctored" in any way it was done in 2004 in Zimbabwe or early 2005 in Mozambique!

I have spoken to both Grant and Grahame (his dad) in the last week. Positive developments are in hand for Grant to come and sit for his Zim PH license. Some idiot running round and trying to pick a fight on their behalf could prove highly detrimental to that quest.

Grant knows about the forum- has seen it, read it. He is a man, if he wants to say something let him - there may be some valid points that I, nor others on the ground in Zimbabwe and South Africa know nothing about.
 
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Judge and Don;

If YOU read back through the posts, I never ACCUSED ANYONE of fabricating anything. I merely stated the fact that just because a "copy" of a license appears on here, that it should be taken as gospel and being legit. Simply pointing out how easy it is to construct, alter, counterfit any sort of pic or document through computer manipulation by those with less than honest intents. If you choose to believe everything you see and read here, more power to you. I will continue to make my own observations and draw my own conclusions however.

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Thanks Judge for the geographical correction on the two "Penn." outstanding sportsmen. Sorry, where I come from "fine fellows" don't use language towards others in this fashion.

Larry

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Larry:

A hint as to your Okie sportsmen:

Where do the Phillies play?

You pissed off the guys (who are actually fine fellows) by not so artfully accusing folks they know and trust of fabricating a false license, etc., and doing so for personal gain.

Why don't you just let whomever file whatever and leave it at that... because so far, IMHO, you are doing more harm than good to those you wish to support.... but until then, do you really think Ganyana (or whomever) would "doctor" a license just to win an pissing contest on A.R. I think not. The African hunting community is pretty small. It just ain't worth being found out for whatever small victory won by making false accusations.

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Larry,

Yep! You busted me. I am Ganyana, or at least one of him. Roll Eyes

When you find yourself in a hole...stop digging. Or just keep posting because you and Joe couldn't possibly do any more damage on this forum to the reputation of Safaris and Quilts than your efforts thus far.

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500 grains- If you are basing the fradulent license (fact) on a posted picture of one on this thread, you are way behind the times. Send me your current hunting license where you live and in 10 minutes I can put a picture on it, change the name, address, dates and signatures and create a "fradulent license" out of yours and have it posted here. "It's so easy even a caveman could do it." Just because someone posted what appears to be a license in question doesn't hold water at all. Sorry, not buying into that one.

Larry

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Originally posted by Larry Sellers:
500 grains & TJ- You people here keep bringing up the fradulent license thing. Nothing has ever been proven that anyone concerned has used a fradulent license. That info was posted here by (what now seems to be a group) of people with questionable motives. Why would you assume that this information is correct?


Because a picture of the fraudulent license was posted. But you ignore it and expect us to believe your mudslinging at Ganyana. Mudslinging is generally a tactic practiced only by the guilty. Frankly, nothing posted on the Safaris & Quilts side seems credible because of so many false statements (concession size, location, quotas, PH license, etc.).


Suggestion: Pull your head out.
 
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Suggestion: Pull your head out.


From under his quilt? Big Grin
 
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Suggestion: Pull your head out.


From under his quilt? Big Grin


More likely from under someone's kilt. Big Grin
 
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Don't believe PWN375. I'm the real Ganyana!!!!
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Suggestion: Pull your head out.


From under his quilt?

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Erik- Thanks SO much for that mental image. CRYBABY
 
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Suggestion: Pull your head out.


From under his quilt?

Erik


Erik- Thanks SO much for that mental image. CRYBABY


Dbtap,

My pleasure! Big Grin

I wonder what we'd see if we used a black light on his quilts? bewildered

I'm not saying he's a total wanker, but from his posts here, I have the feeling that we'd see a lot of mysterious stains! Eeker Big Grin
 
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I think this has degenerated into a pissing contest. It does not need to. There are still some specific questions that need to be answered and that we seem to have lost sight of with all the ad hominems:
1. Did Grant use a fraudulent license?
2. How large was the concession in question?
3. Who exactly is Ganyana? Is he one person (if so, who), or is he many? And yes, it does matter to me.
4. Who exactly is Freischuetz?
I have exchanged PMs with Ganyana but that doesn't mean I know who he is.
These seem like perfectly reasonable questions to me.
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