They knew up front that it would be based on getting the quotas upfront and if not I would refund their deposit so there was nothing done under the table. Carl is hunting somewhere in Mozambique but after this happened I have not done any more business with him and to be fair if he had got some quotas especially from the Gaza area he could have done some excellent hunts there as they put in roads and bore holes to have water there year round. Let me ask you have you had anyone complain about my bookings?

Joe Demby,

I cannot recall anyone complaining about you.
My question was raised as you mentioned several hunters had to have theior money refunded.

This tends to raise a red flag without knowing the circumstances involved.

I do realise Mozambique is a brand new destination, and many things need to be ironed out.

In fact, I was offered hunts there, and I declined to take them for this very fact.

Saeed: assume you have a well establish company and regular quotas but if you had had to start out in a new area then realize you have to start somewhere. Sometimes with a new operation things just do not work out as happend with this one. I am just trying to give hunters a good deal and the best hunt possible.

The story seems to be changing as the facts are presented.

First there is a claim that the hunting area, "...Mufa hunting area of over 200 000 hectares with varied bush types from thick river forests to Brachystegia and Miombo woodlands to huge open grasslands and floodplains. The Mufa hunting area is located in the Cheringoma district of the Sofala Province and borders the Gorongosa National Park famed for its lion and leopard populations on the western boundary and the Maramau buffalo reserve on the northern and eastern boundary and the concession no 13 in the south..."

If one looks at a map of Mozambique, it is clear that this is not a correct description of the hunting area. Then when we find out that the Mufa hunting area is 10,000 hectares not 200,000 and the story changes "...there were more areas hunted that just the one you looked up that were registered to Mozunaf and they will be include in hunt area for this year and all total there is close to 200,000 Hectors total in the all the blocks/concessions."

Well the reason he looked up the Mufa hunting area is because that was the one where you said you were booking hunts. If you knew that hunts were to be conducted on the Mufa hunting area and other concessions controlled by Mozunaf, then why not say so instead of just saying "Mufa hunting area of over 200 000 hectares"?

Regards,

Terry

Changed my mind. I do not want one of those Quilt's after all.

Terry and all good accurate re-loader members: Again, the hunt is a good one and I am tied of being snipe at so I am going to give it a rest. We will let the clients that come back like Larry Sellers tell the tale and as I told you Grant and I will fully stand behind the hunts. I also told you I would find out about the Grant Taylor Zimbabwe issue.
I have just received two very complementary emails from Russ Broom and Mike Vickery who some members bantered around as being against Grant. I think you will really be surprised what they said about Grant and the rumors and innuendoes about him. I will forward to you if you email me privately or anyone else that has a genuine interest and not just vindictiveness. They were happy with Grants work and Mike shed some more light on what happened with both Grant and Mike’s son who was also caught up in this. I talked with Grant this morning and have a copy of his PH license for Mozambique. He has talked with Gov officials in Zimbabwe who will get back to him about redoing his proficiency test as several others who were caught up in this had to do if he decides to hunt in Zimbabwe in the future. But he is fully and properly licensed in Mozambique. To my way of thinking many of the allegations are over blown but again that is my option it also seems to be opinion of those for whom he and his father worked. His is not license to hunt in Zimbabwe at this time and is not try ot hunt there. He is licensed in Mozambique has an excellent hunt operation there. Thats all folks!!!!!!!!

PS: Mau Mau if you do not want a quilt all I can say is that is your loss!

Joe and other members: Joe you echo my thoughts entirely on this matter. When you get a "true" inquiry from a "real" poetential "client" then I am sure you can present to them "ALL" the details they will need as to exact location, quotas, licenses etc. on a one to one basis. To further this discussion filled with "what if's" and innuendoes on this forum is never ending. Anyone who has a "true" interest in finding out "first hand" information on this hunt can get in touch with me, no problem. Like I said before, I have been there, seen it, done it successfuly, end of story. Glad to see Russ and Mike V. put their stamp on this as well.

Good day and good hunting!!

Larry

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Originally posted by Joe Demby:
Terry and all good accurate re-loader members: Again, the hunt is a good one and I am tied of being snipe at so I am going to give it a rest. We will let the clients that come back like Larry Sellers tell the tale and as I told you Grant and I will fully stand behind the hunts. I also told you I would find out about the Grant Taylor Zimbabwe issue.
I have just received two very complementary emails from Russ Broom and Mike Vickery who some members bantered around as being against Grant. I think you will really be surprised what they said about Grant and the rumors and innuendoes about him. I will forward to you if you email me privately or anyone else that has a genuine interest and not just vindictiveness. They were happy with Grants work and Mike shed some more light on what happened with both Grant and Mike’s son who was also caught up in this. I talked with Grant this morning and have a copy of his PH license for Mozambique. He has talked with Gov officials in Zimbabwe who will get back to him about redoing his proficiency test as several others who were caught up in this had to do if he decides to hunt in Zimbabwe in the future. But he is fully and properly licensed in Mozambique. To my way of thinking many of the allegations are over blown but again that is my option it also seems to be opinion of those for whom he and his father worked. His is not license to hunt in Zimbabwe at this time and is not try ot hunt there. He is licensed in Mozambique has an excellent hunt operation there. Thats all folks!!!!!!!!

PS: Mau Mau if you do not want a quilt all I can say is that is your loss!

Mr. Demby,

Have Messrs. Taylor safely arrived back in Africa, and are they available to provide any other information, either through you or by posting here directly?

Thank you.

Got to love this forum

Following on from this thread, the mozambique Government sent the Zim Parks a copy of a Zim PH license used as the basis for obtaining a mozamique PH license. Funny it didn't check out!

We should have a forum titled "Another One Bites the Dust" to archive threads such as this one.

agreed!

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Originally posted by Ganyana:
Got to love this forum

Following on from this thread, the mozambique Government sent the Zim Parks a copy of a Zim PH license used as the basis for obtaining a mozamique PH license. Funny it didn't check out!

Ganyana,

My understanding is that as soon as a PH passes his profiency exam, his name is added to the list.

So if someone's name is NOT on the list, that means he has never passed his test.

If this is correct, it would appear Grant has never held a PH from Zimbabwe.

Is this correct?

Grant Taylor has never held a legitimate Zimbabwean PH license and has never attended a proficiency exam.

I have sent a copy of my license to Mr Carr to post, where appropriate, as an example of what a License looks like.

Gayana you I just love if some dig their own grave
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I summarised the main points from the whole mess I would say checkmate! Let it be a Lesson to some that not all BS walks.
I apologize for the lengthy post to our host but could not help it:



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I am booking for Mozunaf Safaris and their hunting area it is not a concession but the Mufa hunting area of over 200 000 hectares
10 000ha only 5 % of claimed area?
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borders the Gorongosa National Park western boundary and the Maramau buffalo reserve on the northern and eastern boundary
The distance from between them is in excess of 120KM on 10000Ha?
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and The concession no 13 in the south.
13 is in the NW direction and about 400km away
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The entire area is free from inhabitants and boasts a comprehensive road network throughout the area plus the area is jam packed with game
Whatever you say
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Now about Grant Taylor, He is licensed in Mozambique and Zimbabwe
His license in Mozambique No: 44/2005 was issued on the 11 July 2005 based on a produced Zim Paper License No:10304 issued 01 April 2004 valid till 28 February 2005 . According to current information paper licenses have only been used till 3 years ago in Zimbabwe! This makes the year of last issue of the paper license 2003. Assuming the Zim license is invalid then the Mozambique license would not be valid. This issue is under investigation from DNAC ( Minister of tourisms department in charge of conservation and safari hunting) in Maputo Quote
The person from Zimbabwe is “full of it†as Grant’s PH lic # is 3066B.
His license in Mozambique No: 44/2005 was issued on the 11 July 2005 based on a produced Zim Paper License No:10304 issued 01 April 2004 valid till 28 February 2005 . According to current information paper licenses have only been used till 3 years ago in Zimbabwe! This makes the year of last issue of the paper license 2003. Assuming the Zim license is invalid then the Mozambique license would not be valid. This issue is under investigation from DNAC ( Minister of tourisms department in charge of conservation and safari hunting) in Maputo
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I have been in the booking business for 7 years and have many satisfied clients.
Hunting in Mozambique??
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I do not go on accurate reloading very much but based on the garbage and BS I have seen just over this issue I am not sure if it is worth the trouble but I wanted to give you an honest answer and try to debunk some of the garbage that some people post.
If you looking for garbage look at you own post’s and perhaps on your website
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on what members post much of what you see is not helpful and can be missleading
lets not start talking about some outfitters and booking agents!
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Guess you must take everything at face value and not as gospel.
True!
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I will check on the license number.
And? DNAC Moz. Checking it to!
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Regardless he is licensed to hunt in Mozambique
Not in 2006 except he can produce a valid Zim Plastic License.
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this is a quality hunt in a one of the best hunting areas in Mozambique, four hours by vehicle north east of Beira.
Your geographical knowledge need improvement, north east of Beira is lots of water all the way to Madagascar for your info the area is north west of Beira
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Thanks for all the information on Grant.
Don’t you know him??
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I talked to him last night
Any response, or statement from Taylor?
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I will get to the bottom of this.
Are you there yet?
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I run an upfront and honest agency and if I offended anyone with what I said about the forum I am sorry for that.
For the first part i got my doubt, second part is nice!
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I will get with Grant and sort out this problem
Good Luck did it happen by now?
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and see how it will effect the hunting in Mozambique.
I am assure you it will affect hunting in “Mozambique†positive..
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I am hopeful it will still allow us to provide an outstanding hunt opportunity for my clients,
I Doubt this.
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I will get back to the forum when I have additional information and I am sure Grant Taylor will come one line also to address all the issues from his side
Waiting Waiting Waiting and still Waiting.
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He had several very successful hunts last year and another participant already said the area was very good but for some reason you guys are hell bent to cut us down- so be it.
I think you digging your own grave
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Will get back very soon with the truth to address all the allegations!
Promise?
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Grant is on his way back to Africa and he and his father will address your allegations in a day or so
Or soooooooooooooooooo???????
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and I will let the Taylors address that with you
Any time, just make arrangement with “AMOS†the Mozambican Outfitters and Safari Operators Association on the annual safari and outfitter meting at the beginning of April ?

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I belive them when they tell me that both had valid PH licenses in Zimbabwe.
Still believing?
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True Grant indicated he has not renewed his license for this year but.
Are you talking about Zim License??
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Lets let him address this with you and see how it comes out and if it falls out as you have alleged so be it.
Waiting!
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there are a lot more issues than just Grants license.
You are right!
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If you go back and look at all the correspondence, several people came on line about the area in Mozambique as being smaller than I stated and not located where I indicated and not having any game (who by the was was going down to check with the authorities and for some reason we have not heard back from yet!!!!)
Been there done this!
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I am going to get this all cleared up soon.
How soon??
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Grant is going down to the ministry today to check on renewing his license in Zimbabwe, and I will be getting a faxed copy of his 2005 license from Mozambique and provide to anyone interested.
I plan on addressing all the allegations from the Zimbabwe and statements from Mozambique "experts",
We know a “little†bit more about what we talking about in regards to Zimbabwe(Gayana) and Mozambique myself but experts? Maybe compared to you? But then I know nothing about Quilts!
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just give me some time. I have contacted the authorities in Zimababwe and I’m waiting on responses.
Africa can be sloooooow, we know.
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This indicated to me there may be some big problems with these allegations
Yes?
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but as I said I will get to the bottom of this
When??
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and I am sure Grant will come one line about it also.
Are you sure?????
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I do hope you as the moderator will ensure there is a complete airing of this when I get all the facts and I want everyone involved that have made allegations to answer up as everyone on the forum should be held responsible for their statements, no matter how long they have been doing this.
You got my full support on this and I can’t wait for it!!
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This forum should be about truth and not feel good.
Don’t you feel good???
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I said I hope to get all the facts on this and then we will let the chips fall where they may.
Bravo!!!
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email cut from Ganyana- FYI paper licenses were phased out three years ago due to corruption. Last numbers issued on the old system were in the 4800B range. 3xxx numbered licenses date from the mid 1990's.
When then the 1xxxx have been used in the 1970? Grant was only born in 1981??
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I will address this later when I am able to confirm some facts.
Old story by now?
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Freischuetz: be advised there were more areas hunted that just the one you looked
Possible.
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up that were registered to Mozunaf
Not true!
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and they will be include in hunt area for this year and all total there is close to 200,000 Hectors total in the all the blocks/concessions.
BS. Not legal and no Quota! Quotas are not transferable between areas!
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Again, I will stand behind any hunts that I have booked over there and be advised the quotas in 2006 are very conservative for the size of the areas hunted.
Are you now an expert on quota setting and quilts??
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Terry and all good accurate re-loader members: Again, the hunt is a good one and I am tied of being snipe at so I am going to give it a rest.
Riding in to the sunset??
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I also told you I would find out about the Grant Taylor Zimbabwe issue.
No News is bad news in this case.
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I talked with Grant this morning and have a copy of his PH license for Mozambique.
Not for 2006!
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He has talked with Gov officials in Zimbabwe who will get back to him about redoing his proficiency test as several others who were caught up in this had to do if he decides to hunt in Zimbabwe in the future.
But he is fully and properly licensed in Mozambique.
No!

good hunting

Now that the Mozambique officials are aware of the problem, I wonder if Mr. Sellers is going to be receiving his trophies?

If Mr. Sellers does receive his trophies (or has already received his trophies), is that a violation of the Lacey Act? It might benefit Mr. Sellers to look into this, just in case.

Regards,

Terry

Perhaps now is a good time for Doug Chester, Attoney at Law, to come to the rescue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by T.Carr:
Now that the Mozambique officials are aware of the problem, I wonder if Mr. Sellers is going to be receiving his trophies?

If Mr. Sellers does receive his trophies (or has already received his trophies), is that a violation of the Lacey Act? It might benefit Mr. Sellers to look into this, just in case.

Regards,

Terry

If a $10,000.00 donation to a local Hospital and airport improvement can buy you 4 Elephant permits and assorted plainsgame, with out a Moz. PH, than your trophies can be gotten out with the proper permits.

The donation evidently also allows you to hunt out of a Helo.

T.A.B.

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If a $10,000.00 donation to a local Hospital and airport improvement can buy you 4 Elephant permits and assorted plainsgame, with out a Moz. PH, than your trophies can be gotten out with the proper permits.

The donation evidently also allows you to hunt out of a Helo.

Corruption in Africa?!?!?!? Say it ain't so Mickey.

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Originally posted by T.Carr:

Don,

Are you sure that is REALLY your license? You didn't look like that photo the last time I saw you . Sorry, I couldn't resist a little humor (you should see what my driver's license and passport photos look like ).

Jim

Add Joe Demby and Larry Sellers to the "dearly departed" list which includes:

Russell E. Taylor
PVT
Ray Atkinson
Allen Day

Many thanks to all those who sniffed this out as so much BS.
You're better than a pack of bloodhounds. Congrats.

Sometimes...ya just gotta laugh!

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:
Add Joe Demby and Larry Sellers to the "dearly departed" list which includes:

Russell E. Taylor
PVT
Ray Atkinson
Allen Day

Many thanks to all those who sniffed this out as so much BS.
You're better than a pack of bloodhounds. Congrats.

Sometimes...ya just gotta laugh!

Don't forget to include Ernest aka JudgeG to this "Hall of Shame"!!!!

Ganyana was spot on..... you have to love this forum!!!!!!!!

Maybe I've just grown cynical after seeing how much trouble some creative people will go through to set up multiple bogus ID's, websites with just one working page, and all that jazz...

But somehow, I get the feeling this whole thing was just a well orchestrated joke at our expense.

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Originally posted by NitroX:

You got to love the internet.

Another one bites the dust.

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Originally posted by SBT:
We should have a forum titled "Another One Bites the Dust" to archive threads such as this one.

Great minds think alike!


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An African tale from somewhere on the Mozambique / Zimbabwe border.


"Two Africans were walking along a dusty trail in the bush. Chatting about the maise beer they were brewing and going to drink that night.

They come across a pile of something on the track. It was steaming, fresh and very smelly.

The first, his name being Ngeni says, "Joshua, it looks like bull shit."

Joshua being wise, agreed, but decided to put it to further test and bent down, scooped some into his palm and took a deep whiff of it.

"Ngeni, it smells like bull shit too."

Ngeni still not 100% convinced stuck his index finger deep into the mass, and then straightened sucking his finger to taste it.

"Joshua, it tastes like bullshit as well! We were lucky we did not step in it."

The two wise men stepped over the steaming pile and continued on their evening stroll."

Maybe the Hunting Report and Mr. Causey would like to see this thread as Safari's and Quilts does a lot of advertising on their Bargain Hunt Board. I for one wouldn't want to be associated with them!

They must have awfully good plastic surgeons or an exceptional fountain of youth in Zimbabwe. Don looks younger in that picture then when I met him in 1989.

465H&H

Bwanahile quote,

"Don't forget to include Ernest aka JudgeG to this "Hall of Shame"!!!!"

I did not include Ernest in the "dearly departed" because he has come out of hiding time to time to grace these pages, whereas the others have not. A slight difference to be sure, but worth noting.

I'm sure Allen is all "broked up" about how some of you feel as he plans his next safari. As for Ernest, I am proud to call him and Allen friends, both of whose contributions to this forum are sorely missed. jorge

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:
Bwanahile quote,

"Don't forget to include Ernest aka JudgeG to this "Hall of Shame"!!!!"

I did not include Ernest in the "dearly departed" because he has come out of hiding time to time to grace these pages, whereas the others have not. A slight difference to be sure, but worth noting.

What exactly is Allen Day hiding from? Aside from Bwanawannabes like you?

If you want to actually accomplish something than figure a way to deep six Carmello, with his alternate personalities and 'cats' and his National Geographic knowledge base.

Personally I think it is ridiculous that Carmello is allowed to post here after what he has done in the past like stealing a members login and posting under it about his imaginary out of season Buff hunt, posting things on his loser site that I don't even want to repeat about members of good standing on AR and many other actions.

Gentlemen,

We are significantly deviating from the original topic. Let's not undo the results of this topic by turning it into a troll hunt.

Please keep any subsequent posts on topic.

Regards,

Terry

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Originally posted by Mickey1:
What exactly is Allen Day hiding from? Aside from Bwanawannabes like you?

My exact same thoughts.

I think the many "Bwanawannabes" are driving many experienced guys to look elsewhere for their discussions.



T Carr

The individual you mention is "officially banned" from this site per recent Admin postings. How can it be an issue if this is the case?

Mbogo and 465- the secret of eternal Youth.
1) "work" for Government-no stress, no age.
2) Get engaged at 19, but only marry at 40

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Originally posted by Don Heath:
Mbogo and 465- the secret of eternal Youth.
1) "work" for Government-no stress, no age.
2) Get engaged at 19, but only marry at 40

Don,

I think you should admit to the fact that you use a lot of "Avon Skin So Soft", which is steadily supplied by visiting hunters!

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Originally posted by Bwanahile:
don't forget to include Ernest aka JudgeG to this "Hall of Shame"!!!!

Ganyana was spot on..... you have to love this forum!!!!!!!!

If you really and truly wish to accomplish a grand deed for fellow AR members. Take a look at the 3 or 4 obvious that frequent these thread bashings....they aren't hard to place,as whenever a bashing falls out the group descends onto it like a flock of vultures. Some of them have a couple of screen names so as to allow their alter egos to go unleashed . Though with little research their "hidden identities" are soon uncovered. Appeal to Saeed to houseclean that group and several old timer posters with posts worthy of reading may return.

Anyone interested in filing an SCI ethics complaint based on the info learned in this thread?

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:
Add Joe Demby and Larry Sellers to the "dearly departed" list which includes:

Russell E. Taylor
PVT
Ray Atkinson
Allen Day

Many thanks to all those who sniffed this out as so much BS.
You're better than a pack of bloodhounds. Congrats.

Sometimes...ya just gotta laugh!

onefunzr2,

Allen Days reasons for leaving AR were far differant than the other guys you listed, and his reasons were completely honorable. Even if you don't agree with his beliefs.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and presume you aren't aware of the backround for him choosing to do as he did.

I also have respect for Allen. He should not be lumped together with the others IMO

Since when did the term "dearly departed" take on a negative connotation? I used it to describe those AR members who quitted, moved on, disappeared, are defunct. No more, no less.

Ernest (judge G) has informed me that PVT was never here, so his initials should be removed from the list.

Harrumph

A large percentage of you seem to have allowed the obvious to slip past without grasping hold of it. The problem is not with Judge G, Allen Day nor with Ray or Peter for in each case all of them have a seperate personality and conduct buisness as they see fit. It is after all their business to conduct, is it not?
The obvious is that a very small percentage of posters here to AR enjoy inciting the envious/jealous into a bashing frenzy. Then sitting back to read with glee the havoc they have begun, only to add a post here or there to continue the bashing when the topic slows.
Before joining into the fray do all a huge favor and recall this old adage; "There for the grace of God go I".