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Pete thanks for you comments and and I have been have some private discussions; however, that does not mean that everyone is alway right all the time and as I indicated we will see how all this falls out as there has been a lot of misinformation and back biting going on about this in Zimababwe. I want to get to the bottom of this to protect my clients and obviously I have a repoonsiblity to protect the PH and ensure his side is surfaced. I do not plan on dropping this and will get to the bottom of it. I do know that Grant Taylor conducted several successful hunts last year in the hunting area in Mozambique and have one US client and severla European cleints that had outstanding hunts and took good elephant, buffalo, lion, leopard, and plains game so that has to count for a lot regardless of what is said on this website and that is fact!!!! Thanks, Thanks, | |||
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Joe, Why don't you contact the Zimbabwe auroties? They will know | |||
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Hello, my name is Larry Sellers from New Mexico and I am a brand new member here so bear with me awhile. I am the US hunter Joe Demby mentioned as having hunted recently with Grant Taylor in Mozambique. I hunted just this past October with Grant and took a really good buff, very large eland and a fantastic chobe bushbuck. His concession has the most sable of anyplace I know of ranging up to the 42" mark. Good numbers of buff were seen and I did not get a leopard due to my own makings. I find it somewhat disapointing to the fact that all you "old" posters/members here would come on a form such as this and speak about something and some one you obviously no nothing about!! Quality hunt, lots of game, good camp and Grant Taylor did exactly everything he promised and much, much more. I don't know some of your motives and personal agendas here but you are all way out of line on this one. With things the way they are in Zim I would find it very hard to believe anyone who claimed to have first hand knowledge of what is and is not going on there. I will be returning in 07 for another hunt with Grant Taylor with several hunting partners and am sending several friends and acquaintances to Grant this year as well as next. As I stated I don't know any of you here and if this is the way you choose to present yourselves, don't know that I care to? I have been there, done that with Grant Taylor, strictly facts on my part. Maybe this FACT posting would be good for some here to consider as well? Regards and good hunting, Larry | |||
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Mr. Sellers, The issue seems to be is whether Grant Taylor is (or was) a legally licensed PH in Zimbabwe? Do you have any facts as to that issue? Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Welcome to AR! However, do you think if you were less confrontational it might reflect better on the outfitter and PH you are here to support?
Your first post and you critize us and a poster from Zimbabwe (a respected members of the forum) who just might know what is going on there? Ganyana is in Zimbabwe and you hunted in Mozambique -- who is in a better position to know?
What about the way you are presenting yourself? I'm glad you had a good hunt. Please post a full report with pictures in the African Hunting Reports forum. You might like some of the people here if you got to know them. Of course, if you just came here to get into a dispute about a PH's possession or lack of credentials, maybe you do not want to stay around. Edited: I did not mean to make that sound like anyone wants you to leave, but rather that if you came here to share information about Africa that is great and you will hopefully hang around. However, if you came here just to get into an argument you may not enjoy the place as much (although that seems to be all the Political Forum is about  ). | |||
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Terry: As I stated all of this will be cleared up and as the moderator to be fair, there are a lot more issues than just Grants license. If you go back and look at all the correspondence, several people came on line about the area in Mozambique as being smaller than I stated and not located where I indicated and not having any game (who by the was was going down to check with the authorities and for some reason we have not heard back from yet!!!!)and after all the original topic question was all about the hunt in Mozambique about not Grants license in Zimbabwe. I am going to get this all cleared up soon. Grant is going down to the ministry today to check on renewing his license in Zimbabwe, and I will be getting a faxed copy of his 2005 license from Mozambique and provide to anyone interested. I plan on addressing all the allegations from the Zimbabwe and statements from Mozambique "experts", just give me some time. I have contacted the authorities in Zimababwe and I’m waiting on responses. I did contact Russ Broom directly and he said the Grant did a lot of hunting for him and as far as he knows there was not problem with his license in Mozambique or his hunting there and Larry Sellers, a client that hunted last year with Grant, has told everyone the hunt is as good as stated. I have contacted Ganyana, a regular on the forum (who a lot of people have a lot of faith in, and he sonal knowledge of the problem with Grant and referred me to some email address of the "authorities". One I contacted, Adrian Swales, has come back to me and indicated he did not know Grant and was not aware of any problems with his license but would check on it and get back to me. This indicated to me there may be some big problems with these allegations but as I said I will get to the bottom of this and I am sure Grant will come one line about it also. I do hope you as the moderator will ensure there is a complete airing of this when I get all the facts and I want everyone involved that have made allegations to answer up as everyone on the forum should be held responsible for their statements, no matter how long they have been doing this. Thanks, | |||
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Charles: with the vicious attacks and allegations from some of those on this form, I do not blame Larry in the least with his reaction. He did not start this others did and for him to not express his feelings would not be truthful to you or anyone else reading his comments. This forum should be about truth and not feel good. Thanks, | |||
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I did not come on here to get into a dispute and am sorry if you took it that way. I thought it was very unprofessional for people to be slaming someone and some place they knew nothing about. I have been to Moz and hunted with Grant Taylor and wanted simply to state the facts on my hunt and experience. I could care less if Grant Taylor has or ever had a PH license in Zim! What does that have to do with hunting with him and his operation in Moz? Nothing. I understand he is not hunting in Zim so why would he have a license there? A NON ISSUE unless you were going to be hunting with him in Zim, right? I used to be a licensed Outfitter in Colorado, am not now. I am a licensed Outfitter in New Mexico currently. If I tried to book you into Colorado that would be wrong. If I book you in New Mexico, no problem. I see the same scenerio with the Grant Taylor thing. Book with Grant in Zim, a problem. Book with Grant in Moz, no problem. Just don't see an "ISSUE" here that some of you insist on harping on? I don't see where anyone asked if Grant is licensed in Zim? Give it a rest!! Have a good day and good hunting. Larry | |||
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Larry and Joe, Welcome to the forum. What you both may not realize is that there is a very heightened sense of scrutiny with regard to the ethics and honesty of outfitters and ph's on AR right now. When you have an hour or two, go to the African Hunting Reports forum and read the "Back from a DG hunt with Pierre v Tonder". Once you have had the opportunity to read the thread I think you will understand why people are quick to point out potential problems. | |||
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I have no problem with truth. But I think if someone new shows up they can achieve greater credibility with polite discourse than by criticizing those who are already here. He started out like you did -- criticizing the entire forum. To your credit since then you have tried to determine and share the facts rather than being generally critical and making personal attacks. That means I place more weight on what you now say, and I appreciate your input. As to the issue of the Zimbabwe license, I think it goes to the intergrity of a person if they hunted with a counterfeit license. Several people have also had bad experiences hunting with someone who was not licensed in an area. I agree that those are serious allegations and we should get the facts before drawing any conclusions. | |||
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Joe - I am glad to hear Grant Taylor "IS" pursuing getting his license renewed back up in Zim. Maybe a hunt there when things shake out with the Govt. would be in order? Grant is a true "professional" and I would have no problem hunting with him any where, any place!! Also glad you talked to Russ, he is also a gem of a chap and really enjoyed my hunt with him a couple of years back. Later Larry | |||
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Larry, I am not doubting your word or Joe's. But, what we understand is that one PH involved in this discussion had a FORGED Zimbabwe PH license. Whether this is true or not none of us is 100% certain. But, I cannot recall Ganyana ever posting anything regarding PHs in Zimbabwe that was not correct. So, until you or Joe can show us this is NOT the case, I am afraid we will have to take Ganyana's word. | |||
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I think it is completely relevant as to whether Grant Taylor illegally acquired a ZIM PH license. Personally, I would not hunt with someone, in any country, who has proven to have resorted to such activities. "I did contact Russ Broom directly and he said the Grant did a lot of hunting for him and as far as he knows there was not problem with his license in Mozambique..." What did Russ say about his license in Zimbabwe? The issue was his hunting license in Zimbabwe, not Mozambique. We have been told that Taylor's Zimbabwe PH License Number is 3066B. Well, anyone who books safaris in Zimbabwe, should know that it is an invalid number. Secondly, we have been told that the Mufa hunting area borders the Maramau (sic) reserve. A quick check will show that the Marromeu Reserve is bordered by numbered coutadas (hunting blocks) and it would therefore be impossible for the Mufa hunting area to border the Marromeu Reserve. These are very simple things that I would expect a Booking Agent to know. So Mr. Demby, at this point you have supplied us with the incorrect information as stated above. Let's hope that the other information you have provided us will withstand scrutiny. Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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I think Sheephunter should book a trip with him and sort this all out.  | |||
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Terry: I have been emailing Ganyana and know that the PH license number was a good number up until about 3 years ago when they change the numbering system: This is what Ganyana emailed me so your assumption that the number was bogus is not correct. tood bad he did not come back and ine and say this. True the old numbering system is not being used now but Grant is not hunting in Zimbabwe now as I said I hope to get all the facts on this and then we will let the chips fall where they may. email cut from Ganyana- FYI paper licenses were phased out three years ago due to corruption. Last numbers issued on the old system were in the 4800B range. 3xxx numbered licenses date from the mid 1990's. I will address this later when I am able to confirm some facts about what happened or was done by some wildlife officials with the listing and records of PHs which was at the same time they switched to a new system. Several records were destroyed to cover up some discrepancies and some PHs had their records destroyed. | |||
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If he does he will have a great hunt. | |||
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Don Heath and Ganyana are our eyes and ears on the ground in Zim. If you don't know who they are, you haven't spent enough time around here. Mark Jackson  | |||
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I seem to be missing something. Did I read that the Taylors are usually 5 for 5 on leopards, but yet one poster who hunted with them did not take his leopard? I'd like to hear from Ganyana and not a quote that makes no sense. The story appears to be that Taylor's last license in Zim was three years ago and he quit hunting in Zim because he was caught hunting on an outdated license. | |||
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Joe, I have updated my ZIM PH list to include the current license numbers. It can be found HERE. It is on the Hunting Reports - Africa Forum. Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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TN John - Man I can't believe you guys!! FYI Grant did take five leopards this year. I choose not to take a Leopard for my own personal reasons, but definitely had the opportunity. READ-READ-READ- my post Big John and you would not have had to pose that question. I really am concerned as you all are on making sure the hunts we book are as advertised, but for some reason I can't get rid of the feeling that there just might be a "witch hunt" in the brew here?? Really hope that is not the case. If you are not comfortable with the situation at hand, don't ever go there. Simple as that. I've been there and am very comfortable with it, so I'll be going back and encouraging anyone who asks me to do the same. Have a good day and good hunting. Larry
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Larry, We are not on a witch hunt. A question was asked, issues were raised and we are trying to find out the real answers to those issues. Out of curiosity, how many times have you hunted Africa (where and with whom)? Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Larry You and Joe have gotten on here and just been a pair of horse's asses. Are you and Joe tied up together? "the hunts we book". Your grammer is slipping and may indicate that you are not a hunter that booked with Joe but are involved in his company. No witch hunt on my part, it was a question to an earlier posting. Now the two of you are making it into a pissing match. You need to READ the Bwanna posting. The two of you also need to take it down more than a notch. The PH did not go 5 for 5 as he told someone else, he went 5 for 6 because someone didnt choose to take a cat. Or was that you or Joe that told the poster they were 5 for 5. There is nothing wrong with telling the truth and saying a client passed on a cat or screwed up and didnt take a cat. Leopard is not 100%. Everyone is upset because they are concerned with honesty. Some are upset with PH's and outfits that have taken advantage of the situation in Zim and have screwed over some of their fellow PH's and farmers from Zim. Most are upset that agents and outfits can be less than honorable in their dealings. A good many of the people on this forum know a whole lot more about these subjects than either of us. The two of you could take a positive approach to this whole matter and gain from the experience. Instead you may be running off any potential clients that could be found here. I am comfortable with Zim and am returning again this year. | |||
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Bulldog “ first flop†referring to Mabala Safaris offering hunting in a Gaza concession which did not exist  some of the offered animals are protected and cant be hunted in Mozambique next a 3-4 hrs drive form Pietersberg in RSA which is more like 18 HRS if you can cross the Limpopo river ( no Bridge) and to top it up outside the government hunting season???? As usual no hunting quota or licenses involved?? Maybe this is why there is no more booking for Mabala at S&Q?? | |||
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Joe I don’t have an axe to grind I don’t know your guy, if he is running a clean ship he is welcome in Mozambique if not then he will fail. This forum is frequented by a lot of people with a passion for hunting and most have to work hard for their money they use to go to Africa. Perhaps it is a once in a lifetime dream come true. People looking for information on AR sharing with others they experience and thoughts so what is wrong with pointing out when something don’t add up?? This mess would not have happen if you asked yourself all the questions before you decided to represent this company. Perhaps you should not take everything for face value what you got told. What happens with Mabala safaris and the huge Gaza areas with all the game in? a your clients got the animals and did they get the trophy’s? If it sounds to good to be true then check it out twice, you in the business of hunting and 5 leopards a year plus a lion and a elephant and buffalos from 10 000 hectare unfenced wilderness and no doubt? life is just beautiful. Now just tell me the trophies are already with the clients. We all make mistakes and sometimes we want to believe things because it would be so nice. You own it to yourself and to your clients to make sure that was you offer is real. If a Mozambican PH License exist and I was issued based on forged Zimbabwe PH license the owner faces serious criminal charges in Mozambique. (Jail) Easy to check if you give me last years MOZ PH License Number! Quote “The outfitter told me they take 5 leopard a year, and have not failed to get a client's leopard yet. I think it's been 4 years. Their buff are between 39" and 42" typically. I am also interested in Nyala, Sable, Croc, Hippo, Oribi and Hyena.†If the entire successful hunts taken place we read about then he even got a bigger problem. I know that even big concession never get 5 Leopards on quota and we talking areas of 600 000 hectares and not 10 000. I am looking now on last years official Quota list and there is no quota for Mozunaf safari so where did he get his quota from??? The law is simple now quota + dead animal= fine, jail confiscation of equipment etc. No quota= no hunting license = no export! The area is around 10 000 hectare maybe 15 000 it is located east of the road from Dondo to Inhaminga about 15 km after Muanza turn right in to the forest. The area is on the southern-western boundary of Coutada 12 and the north-western boundary of Coutada 10 a long way from the Marromeu reserve and a far longer way from the Gorongosa National Park. Species which are occurring or used to occur in the general area a Nyala, Suni, Red, Blue and grey Duiker, Waterbuck, Sable, Lictensteins Hartebeest, Reedbuck, Bushbuck, Impala, Kudu, Eland, Zebra, Hyena, Leopard, maybe once or twice a year Elephant and Lion moving from the reserve to the Gorongosa plateau . This said the area is surrounded from forestry concession and poaching is a know pastime for the locals reinforced over the weekend by poachers from Beira and Inhaminga. However with care and good management the area can become a successful game farm. As for buying the farm or area this is a problem because Mozambique does not have private ownership of land! Land is given on concession basis if applied for together with a project and development plan. If this is approved a temporary authorisation for land use is issued. Within a maximum of 5 years the project has to be implemented after inspection of the project and confirmation of implementation of the project a final authorisation will be granted. You can not buy land!! If he went to the exercise to register a local company the paperwork takes about 1 year to complete the company gets publish in the government Gazette and after a waiting period of 6 weeks, if no one object the company is legally formed you still have to get now other licenses and a tax number. Now this is about all I just forget about a Mozambican Partner ?? did he also signed the sales ?? otherwise he will rock up one day and take over the whole lot?? Why would somebody sell such a “productive†area did you ever ask yourself this question? I could be wrong but I think this is now the third operator which tries to run this area? It so easy to do business in Mozambique! It is a mine field. By the way did they cleared all the landmines along the road and railway line?? Be careful at old sawmills and colonial buildings. good hunting | |||
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Big John - I guess it depends on which direction you are riding as to who is the horses' ass? FYI 1)I did not book a hunt through Joe: 2) I booked my hunt with Grant by myself, (quite capable of doing that); 3)I am not connected to Joe or his business in any manner; 4) I met Joe at SCI while talking with Grant Taylor; 5) they asked me if they could have interested people call me with questions and details; 6) I told them yes they could. If it is sooooooo important to you I have been to Africa 7 times; twice to Zim; once to Moz; once to Nambia and three times to RSA. I am sure this is not nearly as many times as you experts here have been but so be it? I won't mention who I hunted with to this crowd or they might just be the next ones in line for you endless bashing. Have no fear, all were legitimate, licensed operations. I simply came on this form to state the facts on a hunt I went on and to curb the "bashing" of someone who you obviously know nothing about. As I stated before, if you or anyone else here has a "concern" with booking a hunt with Grant Taylor or anyone else for that matter, simply don't do it and be done with it. This is obviously not your real "concern" or you wouldn't be continuing the point now would you? Good day and good hunting!! Larry PS John, please don't "TELL" me to take it down a few notches I don't take a hankerin to that kind of talk.
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Another internet tough guy. As you are showing you are not reading the posts. You are simply be a troll. Is this Carmelo? | |||
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Larry, Is this your website? Elk Adventures Unlimited There are some nice elk there. We appreciate your input on your safari with Taylor. But it appears there are other issues regarding this outfitter. We will all just have to see how this unfolds. Regards, Terry Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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And I read the Sheephunter caper in the recent past for entertainment. This is in the same class. Questions, but lack of straight answers. Sorry to all, but I just couldn't resist! All information is valuable, how valuable is the question that hangs over the mind. | |||
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I have been out of town and thankfully away from a computer for the past few days. Was I ever supprised to see so many replies to my post. It will take me a day or so to catch up and try to figure out who said what. and what it all means. I appreciate all of the feed back. H Kittle | |||
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Terry - Yes that is my "old" website, didn't know you could even still access it. That thing is 3 years old!! I am working on a new one currently combining elk hunts and hunting Real Estate in New Mexico. I am in the R.E. business as well as working for the Valles Caldera National Preserve (formerly the Baca Ranch) as a Recreation Assistant. If you like to elk hunt check out the hunts on the Preserve at www.vallescaldera.gov Most likely in the top two or three places to hunt elk in the entire Country. Good day and good hunting!! Larry
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I am reading this thread, and don't really have an axe to grind, but am looking for a hunting opportunity. Here are my thoughts: 1. I am not sure that it is an issue for me whether 3 years ago the PH had a forged/illegal/no hunting license IN ZIM. The question is is he licensed in MOZ. I agree that for some people what the PH did 3 years ago might be important. 2. It seems to me that we have the same situation with Ganyana that we had with Judge G and Ol' Ray. ie. everyone takes his word as gospel, fights with everyone who disagrees and then quietly changes their mind. 3. I have no reason to question what Ganyana said about the PH license in Zim. He certainly seems very knowledgeable about Zim. 4. I am concerned about the treatment that we seem to have meted out to the newcomers. We have someone who claims to have on the ground experience in MOZ, with the PH in question, yet many seem to question his integrity. 5. Isn't this what we went through just a few short weeks ago? Doesn't anyone remember? I thought we were going to be "kinder and gentler". 6. Having said all that, I am concerned about the questions raised about the size and nature of the concession by Frieschuetz. I am not sure these have been answered. Peter. Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; | |||
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Thank you Peter. I am sure we will all be able to get the "exact size" of Grant Taylors' concession when he comes on after getting back home from the States and settled in? I don't know the size so I won't comment off the top of my head. I do also know that Grant & Graham Taylor had their game rich land in Zim taken by the Mogabe thieves ie. war vets!! I wouldn't blame them for anything they did or will do to "get even" with the powers that be over there. Good day and good hunting!! Larry
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TNjohn, give it a rest dude. | |||
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I just love the internet. This has kept me interested for a few minutes - now it's just getting old. Everybody take a deep breath and wait for some information. The truth is out there! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese! | |||
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Joe the Point is you advertised for Mababala in the same way you done for Monzsunaf without stating the correct facts. You jumped the gun with Mababala’s Gaza area and offered hunting there without them having any permission to hunt in the area, you did not hesitated to publish on your website animals which are protected and can not be hunted legally in Mozambique, and you also publish an incorrect (illegal) hunting season etc. I guess this information was given you by Mr. Erasmus but it is your responsibility to give the correct and verified information to your potential clients and not some BS second hand info. This is why clients use booking agencies. Now one season later you again make statements which, I guess, are based on unverified info from an outfitter, in particular of the size of the area and condition. There is nothing wrong in hunting on 10000 or 20000 hectare. Just be upfront of it. Joe I am fully aware of the geographical location of both areas I been to the Gaza area and done a complete survey there in 1996 and have been there 3 more times since then. I am waiting for the information from the Minister of Agriculture on the Mosunaf area I will let you know once I got it. Good hunting | |||
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Joe The facts of the 200 000 hectare area are as follows: (it shrunk in the last rain?)  The area is 10 000hectare and registered to Mosunaf Safaris as per confirmation from Minister of Agriculture Maputo, Department DNFFB (Fauna & Flora) Last years (2005) quota was: 10 Buffalo 24 Duiker, Suni, Oribi 6 Reedbuck 4 Crocodile 3 Kudu 1 Eland 1 Elephant 14 Warthog 2 Lichtenstein’s Hartebeest 2 Hippo 8 Bushbuck 2 Impala 5 Waterbuck 4 Nyala 2 Lion 3 Leopard 12 Baboon 6 Sable 14 Bush pigs 1 Porcupine As you can see, only 3 leopards on quota last year and not 5 as hunted. The 2006 Quota allocated for Mosunaf Safaris is: 5 Buffalo 4 Kudu 3 Eland 4 Lichtenstein’s Hartebeest 2 Hippo 8 Bushbuck 3 Impala 3 Waterbuck 3 Nyala 1 Lion 1 Leopard 6 Sable 6 Reedbuck 12 Warthog 20 Duiker, Suni, Oribi 8 Baboon Both Quotas are not sustainable if compared with Quotas of Concession 12 (1 Elephant, 20 Buffalo, 2 Kudu, 2 Eland, 4 Lichtenstein, 2 Hippo, 4 Impala, 3 Waterbuck, 1 Lion, 3 Leopard and 10 Sable on 295 000 Hectare) and 10 ( 1 Elephant, 20 Buffalo, 0 Kudu, 0 Eland, 6 Lichtenstein, 2 Hippo, 0 Impala, 8 Waterbuck, 1 Lion, 3 Leopard, 10 Sable, on 200 000 hectare) which are 30 and 20 times bigger and consist largely out of the same habitat. There are other species on quota in this concession. The concessions are old established running operation. The area is still run under a temporary authorisation by the minister of agriculture and this is the reason why quotas did not show on the official Safari Hunting Quotas. Once a game farm is established it will come under control of the Minister of Tourism. As for legality the owner is Mosunaf Safaris Lda. which holds the permit for the area with the Ministry and to them the above quotas a issued. If any AR member which to book with Mosunaf Safaris Lda for above Species there should be no problem regarding the legality of the hunt.  If someone ells offer the hunts get a confirmation from Mosunaf SafarisI don’t have any news on the issue about the PH licences but hopefully in the next couple of days I will post the results regarding the Mozambique side of the Story. Good Hunting | |||
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Freischuetz: be advised there were more areas hunted that just the one you looked up that were registered to Mozunaf and they will be include in hunt area for this year and all total there is close to 200,000 Hectors total in the all the blocks/concessions. Again, I will stand behind any hunts that I have booked over there and be advised the quotas in 2006 are very conservative for the size of the areas hunted. I will email you off line to discuss this. As to my advertising hunts for Mbabala, I want to put this to bed as you see to have a bug up your nose on this. Want you and everyone else to know I have not tried to market their hunts in two years and initially booked three hunts for Carl and Peter Erasmus but when they did not get any quotas refunded the hunters money and I have not advertised the hunts in anyway but did inadvertently leave it on the website. True I need to get it off my website and have done so to try to make you happy and to clean it up as I should have long ago. I was given some information by Carl Erasmus that never came about on Mbabala as additional quotas for the country were simply not avialable. Again I will stand by my hunts and have any satisfied customer to verify that I do this. Thanks, | |||
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Joe Demby, I appreciate you returning the hunters deposits, but how come you booked them in the first place without your PH having teh quota allocated to him? In all my hunts, the dates and animals have been confirmed as the hunt was booked, so the above should not have happened. | |||
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