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andrew mclaren safaris soutpan,free state,south africa PART 1 part of the agreement with andrew was to provide a hunt report(s) on the internet. this report and any and all further comments,responses,etc. shall become part of my report. i believe the easiest way to report this hunt will be a narrative. we'll do the money 1st as this is nearest and dearest to all our hearts who legitimately and honestly earn it. everyday on an andie safari is nothing but money problems. from your initial contact,till you depart, everyday during the hunt,the so called settlement day ( at the airport immediately before your departure ) , and everyday thereafter for the rest of your life. before i even debarked for S.A., i had realized andrew mclaren was a fraud. approximately one week till departure i contacted a hunting consultant here in the U.S. to possibly make a plan b and if he could set me up with an alternative hunt with less than a week to go. with less than 5 days till departure i decided to go ahead with the andie hunt as i had made a promise and i am a man of my word. just prayed that i was wrong on my assessment. my pre-assessment was based on the following facts: 1. andie couldn't provide me with a trophy list. 2. his daily rates were abnormally low. he was calling this a buddy hunt. 3. he didn't want me to bring a copy of the remuneration agreement to africa. 4. the trophy fees were to be paid in rands. i offered to bring rands and he said no to bring U.S. dollars.  5. he claimed he would pay the exchange rates. 6. i was to pay the farmers directly for trophy fees. 7. i had to ask him twice if i needed to crawl on my knees to hunt. it was explained that i couldn't crawland risked debilitating pain if i did so. he avoided my question. i asked a second time if i had to crawl. this time he said simply to "buy the plane ticket" with a tone that he was well aware of my knee issues , which he was. this was after further research revealed his hunters do an abnormal amount of crawling. he knew this would've been a deal breaker if he answered honestly. 8. he repeatedly couldn't answer mt questions as to trophy fees. 9.he refused to answer my question regarding taxidermists. if your wondering why i still booked ,it was because i made one fatal mistake. i gave him credibility because he has posted for quite some time on internet forums and portrays himself as honest ,ethical and speaks with authority on laws,regulations,etc. you would think anyone posting openly like he does would be legit and walk a narrow path. boy andie is just an arrogant pompous ass whose luck has finally run out. i fell for the ethical hunt sucker lines. my worst fear was confirmed before we even left the parking garage at the airport. when we got to the ticket machine, the boy opened his wallet, stuck his thumb in the corner,held it up,tilted it down so i could see there was nothing in it. he claimed he was stopped by a cop and he lost all his money bribing him. my private thoughts at that exact moment was "i wonder how much money this asshole has in his pocket. he's obviously playing the "shell" game and using money confusion to perpetrate his scam. at this point, andrew mclaren confirmed he was a fraud. he had to use my pocket rands to pay for parking. next stop was dinner and of course i had to front money to pay for that. i knew i was going to have to monitor him like a child. on the transfer he kept having to borrow money to pay for gas of which he was duly recording in his prized white book where he kept records of everything. i need not log at all what i was "loaning" him. he kept telling me how honest he was !  i can't tell you the alarm in his manner and voice and how adamant he was that he didn't want me to record how much was paid and by whom. he has a perfect memory and he's honest ! LOL ! I NOTICED LATER BOY ANDIE HAS A CREDIT CARD AND COULD HAVE USED THIS TO PAY FOR GAS . BUT THEN THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MONEY CONFUSION !on arrival i paid andie my day rates in 100% full,the estimated $1,000.00 u.s. to cover gas and an additional $500.00 u.s. to add to my account just to get started. i'm such a nice guy ! ( sucker ) i had a little talk about frauds and scamming with the boy. he clearly didn't like that subject. he very clearly by all evidence planned this scam well in advance of my arrival. END OF PART 1 , PAGE 1 If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa. | ||
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please don't comment until after i have finished this report to make reading it easier for everyone. will keep part 1 rolling ! If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa. | |||
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page 2 after i first arrived i got this feeling that andie didn't even have anything for me to drink during my hunt. all he could talk about was beer. ( he bought a minimal amount and stated that if we runu out , we run out. shrugged his shoulders and said he isn't like other outfitters. ) sure enough when i pointed out that i would at least need some water if not soda, andie got that yet to become familiar stupid lookon his face, he had nothing. so we stopped to get drinks and he came back out of the store with nothing. soda and water cost too much. i don't know whether it was the 2nd or 3rd stop he made a minimal purchase. ( the soda was an off brand colored water. ) andie is so cheap his butt cheeks cheeped when he walked. for the record at the northwest province farm andie told me we were eating leftovers from the mclaren table. is that something you would even want to tell a client ? after he exchanged money he gave me back the garage fees and dinner money he borrowed. i'm 99.9% it came back "light", but i didn't record that amount so i can't say for 100%. gotta maintain that look of honesty ! never mind that at that point he didn't return a single penny of all the gas money he borrowed. i had already paid him a $1,000.00 U.S. deposit for gas ! at the n.w. province farm, kudu,warthogs and varmints were the animals to be hunted. when i asked andie what the trophie fees were he showed me the list that the farmer supplied for cull,management and trophy animals. i asked andie what the criteria was for each class and he couldn't or wouldn't tell me. before i booked andie stated in an email that i would absolutely know the price of all animals before the trigger was pulled. this was the start of many blatant lies in regards to trophy fees. after this hunt was finished he showed me the farmers invoice. the kudu prices looked ok, but the warthog price did not. ANDREW SHOT,WOUNDED AND LEFT A WARTHOG OUT ON THE VELDT TO DIE. it appeared that his wounded warthog was placed on MY BILL. I would address this later. we got a tip there was some gemsbok to be hunted. they were 3,500 rands for a male and 5,000 for a female. i kill a male but can't shoot a non-typical female trophy. when it came time to pay, andie didn't have enough rands. so of course he's borrowing from me again. rands was all over the place trying to come up with enough to pay the bill. how embarassing ! the asshole already had borrowed all my rands. finally andie suckered the owner into holding my trophy hostage until he could come up with enough money to pay the bill. it was painfully obvious why andie didn't want me to shoot the once in a lifetime female non-typical, the boy didn't have enough money to pay for it. bear in mind i offered to bring at least $5,000.00 U.S. in rands and andie said not to do that. i could've used that to pay the farmers directly as andie promised and could've eliminated that jackass and his sticky fingers. keep the money confusion rolling. STEALING = PROFIT ! one day andie went to the bank to exchange more of my money. when he got back later that evening,in front of his son, ( who he invited in on my hunt without prior disclosure ) with great pomp and circumstance, ( i believe he was trying to appear credible in his sons presence ) he returned my money borrowed for the gemsbok. i stuck it in my pocket and immediately went and counted it. sure as crap it came back 200 rand short. i logged this "loan" at the time he borrowed. when we were getting ready to leave that farm, andie suddenly lost his prized white book. hhhmmmmmmmmmm!!!! looked everywhere. nothing in the farmhouse to swallow his book. empty !empty ! empty ! couple of mattresses on the floor, table with 4 chairs and a fridge with a few boxes scattered about. i looked thru EVERYTHING except andie's personal luggage. of course now all his money records are lost , but we have andie's excellent memory and his total and complete honesty to sort all the financials out !   i get another speech on how honest he is , WHAT A JOY !  I was standing by the passenger seat and in andies presence checked under the seat to include literally viewing and feeling the springs. a day or 2 later he claims the farmer is looking for his book at the farm.  later on he said he found his book under MY SEAT. LOL ! WHAT A LIAR ! as he told me he only glanced at me quick enough to try and guage a response. THAT BOY CAN NEVER LOOK A MAN IN THE EYE. i just muttered...uh huh. of course he had no white book to record gas in on the trip to the mervilla wastelands , but he has an excellent memory. gotta keep the ILLUSION GOING. just didn't want me to record anything. after the hunt in the n.w. province was finished and on the road transfer, andie was pulled over by the cops. while we sat there andie showed me how he bribes the south african police. he opened his wallet, took most of his cash and put it in his pocket. left just enough in his wallet for a bribe. i looked away as i didn't want to witness anymore. (HE INSULTS AND DISRESPECTS THE SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE ) he executed all the movements just like his little display at the airport. i truly love the thumb insertion and tilt of the wallet ! WHAT A PHONEY AND FRAUD !  during road trips i had the pleasure of eating at kentucky cluck. what a joy,went all the way to africa for that. i noticed he always recommended the cheapest thing on the menu. he even suggested skipping meals and eating later under the pretense of saving time. he is definitely the cheapest ass i've ever come across. itruly wish i would've ordered a bucket of cluck and then took 1 bite off each piece and then throw the remainder out the window. alas the stench from the drivers side was bad enough without smelling his nappies ! end of part 1 , page 2 takin' a break , will continue part 1 If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa. | |||
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Wow...why not just go back to the airport? Jeff | |||
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This is really difficult to follow. I'm confused on what exactly you lost. What you shot and what you actually paid. Thanks! Brian Clark Blue Skies Hunting Adventures www.blueskieshunting.com Email at: info@blueskieshunting.com African Cape Trophy Safaris www.africancapesafaris.com Email at: brian@africancapesafaris.com 1-402-689-2024 | |||
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This does not sound at all like the Andrew I'm familiar with from his posts here. Wasn't he the same guy that picked up an AR member and helped him out in SA after a communication snafu with the original outfitter? I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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page 3 arrive at the mervilla wastelands to hunt springbok,steenbok, blesbok, duiker. i ask andie the trophy fees. AS ALWAYSA,he doesn't know but we hunt anyway. of course now i'm at the mercy of the landowner as for costs and i won't know until after the hunt. never mind the landowner lives a few miles from andie or a tiny cell call away. andie actually lives in a shanty, on the property that this farmer owns. how many months did andie have before my arrival to inquire about this info ? IT'S NOT THE FARMER I WAS WORRIED ABOUT, IT WAS THE LYING SACK OF SHIT I WAS BEING SCAMMED BY. animals hunted there i still have no idea what i paid or was scammed for. after i shot a duiker andrew quoted a price that was sky high and not what he alluded to. of course he couldn't look me in the eye. i do know what was charged for the warthogs. while at the mervilla wastelands, the boy booked a local hunter to hunt blesbok. yes, on MY hunt and without disclosing that prior to booking. while we were waiting for their arrivalhe told me they were booked for a non-trophy male. he said he was going to charge them an additional 500 rand if they shot the wrong animal. ( unbeknowst to them ) after he saw the look on my face of pure disgust, he quickly added in a stuttering voice that he was going to donate that to their church. andrew mclaren perpetuallylooks for ways to steal money from clients. that church wouldn't have seen a pence. go to another farm,aliwal north. i know the price of these animals or at least what andie told me. shoot 2 in the morning and then back to the wastelands. i gutted the 1 animal and used some bottled water to wash my hands since no other water was available. too bad i didn't have an outfitter or p.h. to think of things like that. boy andie actually said that was awfully expensive to wash my hands. unfortunately , to this day i picture that bottle stuck up his ass....... that night andie does an update on my bill. he tells me to take a look at the comp. it's a joke ! there is no bill just some gas mumbo jumbo. gas is a straight bill. 10 bucks or a 100 bucks. NOT SOME LITTLE BOY FORMULA THOUGHT UP BY ANDIE TO CHEAT ME OUT OF GAS MONEY. there was no daily fees or trophy fees or any other costs up to that point in time. when he told me to look at the bill, he was swinging his little pinhead back and forth, singing over and over in his little voice, the day rates are all gone,AAAAALLLLLLLGGGOOOONNEEE, AAAALLLLGGGGGOOOONNNEE. my deposit on day rates reflecteda dollar amount that was exact for each farm. each had a different day rate assigned and how many days that was to be hunted. instead of hunting aliwal north and the n.w. province farm the prescribed amount of days, andie shorted the days spent at each. both farms had higher day rates. instead of reflecting this on my bill, he just thought he 'd steal more of my money. surprise ! surprise ! i planned on addressing the day rates at settlement. even if my fist would shatter in a thousand pieces, i can't tell you how great it would've felt if at the exact moment his head swiveled in my direction my first exited his left ear. there wasn't a day go by i didn't want to spit in his face ( never have i said that about a human being before ), punch him or backhand him like the proverbial redheaded stepchild.....with autism. my entire time on this trip was in andies care, no before and after trips. so obviously i know where all my money is spent with andie as a witness. i confronted andie, with his wifesitting there that after viewing that laughable,fraudulent gas invoice that it doesn't match with what rands i have left. i state the amount of rands i can't account for and i think it's due to gas differences. andy and his wife gave me the expected looks on their faces and andrew immediately runs in the computer room, comes back and announces that yes the amount i have missing does correspond with the 3 tanks of gas that andie has logged as he paid for, when it was my rands. that was approx.250 dollars. chip away little by little. it took andie a matter of seconds to see the mistake in his "mumbo jumbo" , almost like he already knew !  we go to a private park to hunt. the owner said if i used his gun (silencer) , i would get a discount on animals killed on his property. i agree and kill a hartebeest. regular price 3,500 rand ( at least thats what andie claimed ! ) on the way back i asked andie what the discount was. he stated i didn't get a discount because he charged me for the ammo used. AS ALWAYS, andie was obvioulsy lying and couldn't look me in the eye amidst the stuttering and stammering making his story up. it's a good thing that boy is so honest and keeping track down to the single rand or i'd call him a piece of filth. little bit more PROFIT !  the entire trip andie was trying to find out how much money i had with me. he actually questioned me several times after which i started to log it. the last time he stated i'm not trying to find out how much you have. lol ! thats exactly what that idiot was trying snoop into. when he would fetch me coffee in the morning he was always trying to see how much money was on the nightstand and i'm assuming in my wallet. i could tell because his left eye bulges out and he tilts his head back when he's trying to snoop into things that are not his business. i think it must be his good eye. his nosiness was so bad i had to eventually keep my money on me at all times. ( for those of you who squirrel the "fat" envelope away, i have a tip. always bring some duct tape along and tape the envelope onto your body. god willing thats mclaren proof ! ) when andrew would disappear and walk up towards the bunkhouse it would just give me the williesthinking of him finding my stash. when he returned i always ran up to check and see if my stash was intact and in place. the only thing i found missing was any beer in the fridge that was there before the days hunt. but then he would offer me a beer. END OF PART 1,PAGE 3 WILL KEEP ON TYPING ! If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa. | |||
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I'm the AR Member he picked up. From what I've seen of Andrew, I'll never believe he is anything other than a stand-up gentleman. | |||
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Sorry. I am calling bullshit. Jeff | |||
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after weighing in on many fine offers , i've decided on a 16 day hunt with Andrew Mclaren Safaris. the hunt is a general hunt to include varmints, cull , management and trophy animals. most likely i'll sneak in my 1st guinea fowl , those rascals are everywhere. currently i am in south africa and about a week into my hunt. so far i've hunted and collected 3 kudu bulls ( including a very old fighter with a 3rd horn ), impala , gemsbok and warthog. saw an incredibly fascinating female gemsbuck with a corkscrew horn , but alas she wasn't available to be taken. even at that she was the icing on the cake for my gemsbok hunt. what a pleasure to view. currently i am at andrews property and spent a very comfortable night with a nice warm bed already prepared thanks to an electric blanket and a very thoughtful hostess. can't say enough about the welcome basket full of goodies with my favorite bottle of Amarula towering. having a wonderful time in south africa. again , thanks to all outfitters who responded to my request. pigslayer out ( for now ) If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa." http://forums.accuratereloadin...781007471#3781007471
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Damn this is hard to read. Makes me wonder ........ | |||
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I just found that same Post from 9 July 2012 and wondered... "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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Shootaway? Just askin? | |||
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This and Dogleg's experience bolster Andrew. After what he did for Dogleg, I would definitely consider him if SA was next in my list. I meant to be DSC Member...bad typing skills. Marcus Cady DRSS | |||
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PAGE 4 the night before i was to leave i bid andie's wife goodnight and she immediately screamed in alarm to andrew i was leaving. the alcohol flowed heavy so i went back to the bunkhouse to finish my cup. the old alcohol trick won't be seducing me. i yelled to andrew i wanted to settle up in the morning. at breakfast i again told andie i want to settle up. he said nothing ????? before we left i again said i wanted to settle up and as always lil andielooked awayagain and said we'll do it at the airport. i told him to print me a report so i can peruse it on the way and he flatly refused. he repeated no less than 3 times that at the airport there will be no " scene ". during the ride to the airport i brought out my paperwork and andie was trying to snoop in my folder as he was driving. his left eye again bulged out and his head was tilted back. i casually let him "see" that i have the remuneration agreement and then his right bulged and his kleft eye got bigger and his lips were quivering. lol ! oops ! he wasn't counting on that. too funny. at the airport the boy waited for me in a restaurant while i get checked thru. i went to the dinerto settle up. again he flashed me this bogus gas bill. at that time he stated i was also paying for all the mclarens personal gas. ( like i was just gonna pet him on the head and say your a good boy.....thats OK ! ) it was an exhorbitant amount i knew was not used during my hunt and of course he had no reciepts or supporting documentation. our agreement was for a straight up gas bill. not mileage or especially some boy andie gas FORMULA. again there was no day fees,trophy fees or any incidentals. at that time i had planned to correct all his little hahahahahhha mistakes. at least what was possible without help from the south african authorities. he claimed at the time i still owed him a 1,000 dollars U.S. and i had to pay. he had already THREATENED my trophies and i didn't know at the time if the taxidermist was aligned with him in any way, shape or form. ( LEARNED FROM PAST EXPERIENCE ) i got up to leave and the boy told me how he was cheating the waiter out of a tip and without missing a breath, was begging for a tip as it is customary for a p.h. and the he said the cook needs a tip. HE ACTUALLY EXPECTED A TIP ! not a chance in hhaaayyyyeeelllll was he getting a tip. lol !!!! when he realized he wasn't getting a wholly and completely undeserved tip his weyes welled up. that would've been a priceless video clip to add on youtube. a true kodak moment. this was the only part of the entire trip i had any enjoyment. after viewing the tipping guidelines on internet forums, he missed a whale of a tip. i average well over $100.00 per animal harvested. guess that will drop a tad. cooks generally $200.00 per week or hunt. i've actually had a p.h. refuse a $1,700.00 tip for 17 fine trophies until i insisted. in botswana i had a cook do the same and she was visibly upset because of the amount until i insisted her food was worth every penny. was feeling a bit bad over that one. the entire trip andie was bragging as he screwed trackers,skinners,workers,waiters or whomever out of a tip. he complained about the bank workers being inefficient at exchanging money and called and complained to their superiors. ( i don't know how many times he had to stop and exchange money, what a waste of time .) he complained the entire trip, knocking down and belittling other outfitters and p.h's. none specific, but in general. he was just trying to throw the stink off of his trail. as a side note before booking, andie even promised to buy me a book before i left. ( what the heck ? oh well ! ) when we arrived at the store and i picked up the book, i walk up to the register and the boy blurted out that will be 2 fifties. lol ! he is one sorry individual. during the course of the trip andie tried to extort more money from me a couple times. he initially claimed that this was a buddy hunt and he basically just wanted me there to pay all expenses and my own bills. it was a non-profit hunt for him. he also would be hunting and thusley the lower day fees i assumed. his only profit would be day rates and the meat of the animals i shot. while on the gemsbok farm there was a trophy steenbok i wanted as that was a prime animal. he didn't even ask the farmer if i could have him. he just wanted that gemsbok meat which was just a filler animal. afterwards in the truck he was telling me how p.h.'s don't like to hunt the little animals because theres NO MEAT ! HE KEPT REPEATING HOW THERE WAS JUST A LITTLE MEAT on the small animal. it was painfully obvious he wanted me to pay him more money to hunt the little antelopes. varmints were the reason i made this trip. andie was clueless but there was another farmer there at the wastelands that was an expert caller. he arranged to drop me off and hunt with him and then canceled before the hunt took place. prior to the cancellationandie again KEPT REPEATING TO ME HOW IT WAS "WORK" FOR THIS GUY AND HOW HE WANTED TO SPEND TIME WITH HIS FAMILY. again, it was painfully obvious he wanted me to pay this guy to take me hunting. i wonder how much andie would've skimmed if i gave in to the extortion and handed him some cash. end of part1 ,page 4 1 more page and i'm calling an end to part 1. If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa. | |||
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Look who has been caught speaking from both ends! I find it really odd that Pigslayed clearly asked for a low cost no frills hunt with non trophy / immature animals to "show & tell" and then calls Andrew cheap!! Any kid would tell you that ranting & raving & abusing will get you no believers. It only distorts and hides facts. I have never met Andrew but I have corresponded with him a fair bit and I do not believe this post / story by Piglayer. A couple of years ago I was expecting to go to Mauritius & Joberg on business and wondered if I could shoot birds for a day or two in December. Without any confirmation from my end, Andrew just drove to town and got a special off season special license for me just in case I did arrive. Heads up Andrew. "When the wind stops....start rowing. When the wind starts, get the sail up quick." | |||
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The 3rd thread below this one is also about Andrew. It paints a totally different picture. | |||
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Not fair!!! I called it first! Pigslayer do us all a favor and just stay home!!! | |||
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And I called it second! But I'm not afraid to call it again! | |||
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I can't imagine what kind of "duress" short of a firearm would force me to Post a series of blatant lies, and as soon as I was out of range I would make haste to Edit any Post of mine, and immediately alert the community. And then I'd turn in my testicles at the nearest kiosk. "If you’re innocent why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”- Donald Trump | |||
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page 5 after i was back home and demanding my bill, andie tried extorting me me again. this time after he claimed he made a mistake actually did overcharge me $175.00 U.S. for a springbok. he tried extorting information from me. he was holding my money and would not pay me until i answered his questions. to this day he still hasn't paid me that little bit of money and of course never will, not that he had any intentions of doing so. he claimed "my" money was coming out of "his" budget. must be nice to claim others hard earned money. for the record andie claims to be a mathematician,yet he doesn't have the skill to write up a simple invoice consisting of addition and subtraction. i tried helping him out by literally schooling him in every step ( by email ) on how to accomplish this task. perhaps he should hire a day worker for the technical part. whats wrong with a generic invoice purchased at a stationary store. this is what i've usually rcvd and worked out perfectly. andie has also emailed me admitting to skimming my money at every opportunity. he called it rounding up in the " spirit of the hunt ". for all the hunters,outfitters and professional hunters please post if you've heard of this phoenomena . i've never heard of it , much less experience it. i've only heard of it referred to as theft and fraud. andie lies to cover lies to cover lies  . during the whole trip he knew i was on to him and on a daily basis,even in front of his wife, relate how honest he was. ( her expressions appeared not to believe him anymore than i did. ) got plenty of emails where he's telling me how honest he is.the entire trip andie repetitively told me how poor he was. how he need money to get this or get that.he was constantly trying to get me to pity him. he even told me how a prior client had gave him double gas money , in am attempt to make me feel like giving him more. i must say i enjoyed giving him a poor story in return and it always left him with a crappy look on his face. i have dutifully contacted nature conservation and they are investigating. they have all my contact info. and my willingness to help in any way possible. that includes supporting documentation , which i have started and am still in process of. after all paperwork is completed with them i will notify mr. van schalkwyk with info. he should be aware of. at the conclusion i intend on at least file a report with the south african police for theft and a veiled threat andrew aimed at me after he realized he was being reported. ( with documentation ) END OF PART 1 GO AHEAD AND HAVE FUN POSTING ! IF I DO A PART 2 IT WILL BE ANOTHER THREAD. I MAY OR MAY NOT POST PART 2 ON THIS FORUM. IT MIGHT BE JUST A WASTE OF TIME WITH ALL THOSE ON THIS FORUM WHO REALLY HATE HEARING THE TRUTH. MY OBLIGATION TO ANDIE WILL BE COMPLETE. If u want missing trophies,stolen trophies,crap mounts or replacement minature trophies .....use KARL HUMAN TAXIDERMY in east london, south africa. | |||
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pigslayer, How come you seem to have problems with those you claim to hunt with? How come there are two different versions of your report, one reported in the past as posted above, and your current one? We all like to hear the truth, but so far you have not posted anything remotely close to the truth if we take both your hunt reports into consideration. Don't start another thread, let us have all the details here. | |||
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Would it not have made sense for both parties to sit down, man to man, and discuss these issues when they occurred. This seems like a snowball that was left to roll. Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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This doesn't sound like the Andrew that helped out a fellow AR member and has received a number of positive reports here. I certainly would like to hear his side of the story, even if politely brief! JCHB | |||
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I've known Andrew for a fair number of years, am honoured to count him as a good friend & he's an honest, upright gentleman from head to toe. This bloke must be talking about a different Andrew McLaren to one I know because the one I know is as straight as die, a fine man & bloody good at what he does. | |||
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Andrew has every right to defend himself here, and in light of such accusations he should, unless he has started legal proceedings for slander and has been instructed to keep quiet. There's always 3 stories..... 1. Complainant's version 2. Defendant's version 3. True version. I don't know Andrew but must admit I find these accusations rather extreme and not befitting a PH with as long an involvement in the industry as he has. With what has been claimed Andrew would have every right to seek legal redress for slander !! It crossed my mind at one point that perhaps it was an imposter you were dealing with ???? | |||
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I AGREE NEIL LETS HERE FROM Andrew, Pigslayer did say some nasty things I hope there is no truth in it!! Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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shame! A BAD FISH IN THE POND | |||
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Knowing Andrew as I do, I'll bet a pound to a pinch of the smelly brown stuff there's no truth in it. Andrew couldn't behave in that manner if he wanted to....... He's FAR too much of a gentleman as his behaviour with the recent Mozambique thing proved. If Andrew is planning legal action & I wouldn't be in the least surprised if he was (I certainly would be if I were in the same situation) then he may very well have been advised to remain silent & keep his powder dry........ | |||
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I have hunted with Andrew McLaren and had no "issues" whatsoever. You will also note that I use capital letters at the beginning of my sentences. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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I don't know Andrew at all so all I can gather is from what is reported here and the report is so emotionally disjointed I am truly suspect. I would like to see Andrew's reply here. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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If, before I "embark" for a trip (I usually "debark" when I get there), I conclude that an outfitter is a fraud, I don't go. It would seem you had made no down-payment, so there wasn't much to lose when coming to a determination of "fraud" before the fact. While prayer has its potential, this may be one instance where you might want to seek the guidance of a pastor or priest on its effectiveness. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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This is strange Jerry Huffaker State, National and World Champion Taxidermist | |||
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