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There must be an interesting story in that, but in another thread! | |||
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Hey Cal, I have identified a target for that whale gun of yours.  | |||
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It is one way of ticking stuff off of the bucket list that you can't afford... | |||
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I guess the bottom line for me has been find someone that works well for you, hunts like you want to hunt and stick with them. The only PH I've ever used in Tanzania has a history that reads like a devil's resume, which I found out after our fourth hunt together. So it is obvious you can't rely on one source of information. You can do your own fact checking and due diligence. Macs B U.S. Army Retired Alles gut! | |||
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Macs B, Please add Hartley Combrinck and Rasheed Rancine (Zambia) to your list. They are in that class of ilk. | |||
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Gents: I think Pigshit's post did the opposite of what he wanted. So many folks have come out in support of Andrew his bookings have increased as has his name recognition. Looking from the outside, I see Andrew has many + comments and Pigshit is almost -. My best to you, Andrew. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Jan, Responsible reporting went out the window when the internet gave any monkey with a keyboard the right to publish. Along with responsibility went respect, common decency, chivalry, ethics, morals and good old common sense. Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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update !!!!!!!!!!!! mr. safari outfitter, i am happily taking up your challenge to an internet trial ! of course we'll have to have a jury made up of people who know the law,regulations,requirements, etc. in addition, all represented who are affected when hunts like yours are conducted. the bulk of the jury should be south africans. nature conservation in all provinces should be represented with all officials invited. the list should include: minister of tourism and staff south african police all hunting and shooting orgs. in s.a. P.H.A.S.A. officials game breeders associations south african airlines and possibly a representative from the hospitality and restaurant industry SAN PARKS breeding projects and tourism facilities hunting orgs - safari club international, dallas safari club , the hunt report,etc. rowland ward possibly a law school in s.a. could certainly not just handle a vote but can set up the ground rules properly. may be interested from a learning aspect. of course most can only serve unofficially if they have official duties in your case. the list can certainly be added to. announcements can be made by all the groups above to ensure all interested members can view the proceedings. i've been on africa time here since you've been reported to Mr. Hannes Blom at the dept of tourism (nature conservation ) in the free state. i'm sure it will take some to recruit the jury and make announcements so i'll get started immediately. i do have an email in to Ms. Kitshoff ( C.E.O. of P.H.A.S.A. ) for contact info. for each provinces nature conservation officials. i'll send another to each member of the board asking for their participation as a juror. i'll revise a draft email to Mr.Van Schalkwyk to include our invitation and forward at the proper time. ( don't worry i'll consider deleting the remark you made about the minister and his nappies so he can form the proper opinion of you ! ) i'll certainly maintain a list of contacts and their responses. something i've never done since i was unfortunate enough to book a hunt with you and thats THANKING YOU ! this is a great idea to reach all those who have faith in you. | |||
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Haven't you forgotten one very important fact? You cannot make accusations and remain anonymous. First order of business would be you post your full name, address, and all the relevant details of your involvement in this hunt. Trying to side track these simple facts are not going to give you any credibility, which so far you have not proven that you have. We all want to see the facts, and after 8 pages of discussion, all we see are empty accusations. | |||
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Amen, Boss, Amen | |||
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That will never happen. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Pigslayer, Enough of your Rhetorical BS is enough. You yet again continue to cross lines. No one needs you to levy more garbage. You and only you are the one looking like the apparent POS that you are. No one needs the contingent of outsiders you just posted. YOU, are the one who levied these slanderous accusations behind a moniker. You want a jury? Out of the 45,000 members here on AR many people are not just experts in the hunting business,but experts in Contract Law or Law in general. You have done NOTHING to state ANY fact that would lead ANYONE to believe that anyone but your apparently CheapA!! Self is the one at fault here. Contract law would dictate that " fraud in the inducement" in Section 7a,if I remember my law books correctly on the specific section of contract law, would be your only theoretical gripe. That would mean Andrew specifically made material misrepresentations that specifically led you to your decision that we're knowingly false...(Booking and subsequently completing your safari) By every and all seeming account you have not only NOT demonstrated any facts as to what Andrew did or did not really deliver. The EXACT opposite seems to be true. Please tell the "jury" here, you complete and apparent imbecile, how you did not get fair market value for the services and hunt that you received and the SPECIFIC costs you incurred. Every one here would no doubt immediately recognize the relative value of the plains game hunt you received. Honestly it appears to all that you probably walked away with a more than fair deal and are perhaps the single biggest Douche B.. Of all time and you are the one who could be found liable for your unsubstantiated smearing of what appears by all accounts to be a highly reputable man and wife. You should be ashamed of yourself... These phantom authorities etc you have referenced prior here in your posts, that Saeed very politely referenced,and the outcome /feedback requested? You haven't answered because they don't exist. You need to cease and desist your slander unless you can articulately and politely lay out the facts ( which isn't going to happen because you cannot) 1) as requested prior... How many days did you hunt in total and at what total cost? 2) how many and what specific animals did you shoot and at what total cost??? How F'ing hard is that you imbecile????? Oh... You won't answer because the false internet and slanderous leg your pretentious A..stands on will assuredly fall from beneath you. There can be no other logical reason at this point for your obtuse and ignorant behavior. | |||
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i've been on africa time here since you've been reported to Mr. Hannes Blom at the dept of tourism (nature conservation ) in the free state. i'm sure it will take some to recruit the jury and make announcements so i'll get started immediately. i do have an email in to Ms. Kitshoff ( C.E.O. of P.H.A.S.A. ) for contact info. for each provinces nature conservation officials. i'll send another to each member of the board asking for their participation as a juror. i'll revise a draft email to Mr.Van Schalkwyk to include our invitation and forward at the proper time. Pigslayer: In your reports to the above officials, I'm assuming you used your real name, correct? To not do so here shows you a coward. Forget the internet trial. You've already lost. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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Absolutely. Andrew has been willing to entertain and answer this guy's complaints from the first page. The fact that Pigslayer is still playing games with innuendo and unfounded accusations, without identifying himself should make it clear to anyone still paying attention at this point that PS is seriously lacking the character to be considered seriously. Andrew, you should name this guy publicly and put it behind you. | |||
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Congratulations pigslayer on your wise decision to stop slandering Karl Human with your previous "signature". Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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Pigslayer I'll ask again: Perhaps you could tell us how much you paid in daily rates and trophy fees and also the length of your hunt and what animals you took please? | |||
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Pigslayer must be a mentally sick person who still wanders around free people undiagnosed and untreated. Legalwise when making any agreement with such person of inbalanced nature looses a legitimately credit...In other words Pigslayer must have a spokesperson to present him.Pigslayer as a person can not be held accountable for his actions and whereabouts...which Again leads to this thread..Don´t waist your time on Pigslayer. Take the issue to his parents/ appointed legal guardian instead. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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This is a fair question Dave Davenport Outfitters license HC22/2012EC Pro Hunters license PH74/2012EC www.leopardsvalley.co.za dave@leopardsvalley.co.za +27 42 24 61388 HUNT AFRICA WHILE YOU STILL CAN Follow us on FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/#!/leopardsvalley.safaris | |||
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For those who read earlier, he did name him but I see that he went back and either deleted that post or the guy's name. I even looked him up, he's an ambulance chaser in either Ga, SC, or NC as I recall. He is a partner and his last name is part of firm's name. I'm terrible on names but I believe his first name was Shaun or Shawn, or possibly Stuart. Like I said, I'm terrible on names and I had no reason to think that McLaren would suddenly develop a new set of internet ethics that tells him he shouldn't name the man when he already had., I could take a stab at his last name but it would likely be wrong. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Say no more. That explains everything! Ambulance chasers are the lowest of the breed!  | |||
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There has been a number of requests or suggestions that I should post pigslayer’s real name and contact info. As, IMHO, all of these requests were made in an attempt to help me, which attitude I greatly appreciate, I feel obliged to make some reply. My limited understanding of the Netiquette on forums such as AR is that a member has a free choice to use any “user name”, be it a real – actual or false - name, or a Non de Plume, moniker, handle or whatever you wish to call it. At the time of registration as a member of the forum this choice is made. Many choose to be known on the forum(s) by their real names. Some members use a “user name” but quite freely make their real names known – Shakari and fairgame are but two such examples. When I first joined AR Forum, a long time ago, I was a member of an exclusive wingshooting group, and I registered as “Verewaaier”. I know that it can be changed at a later stage – I personally changed my user name from the former “Verewaaier” to my real name quite a number of years ago. That was also my own choice. Some choose to be known only by their chosen user names. There are many such members on AR, and no one holds it against them for not willingly revealing their true identities. The reasons they may have for choosing to be known only by a user name, are many, varied, include things such as being a schoolmaster in a very anti-hunting area and many others and all are respected by me! Given these few “facts” [?] I hold that it is up to pigslayer to reveal his real identity, if he so wishes. As his former hunter outfitter – or hunting cheat as pigslayer wants to call me - I naturally know a lot of his true personal details. Incidentally, I also know that he is known by some “aliases”. But I choose to not reveal his identity, as I know it [them?]. There are two main reasons for this choice: (i) My understanding and current knowledge of AR Forum etiquette is that is should not be done, and (ii) I know one of these identities just in my capacity as his former hunting outfitter [or cheat]. The others were revealed by an Internet search based on the name that he has offered on his Remuneration Agreement and filled into my Professional Hunters Register. I will respect his generally accepted 'right' to expect his hunting outfitter to not reveal in public the information that was exchanged as part of a business deal. But, besides these two, in my opinion adequate reasons, I’m not clear at all what the AR members will do when they know that the AR member who is know by his user name of “ pigslayer” is really Mr. X.Yz from some fully given address, email address, passport number and home telephone number? How will the broader AR membership benefit in this “debate about Andrew McLaren Safaris has cheated pigslayer, or not” by knowing who pigslayer really is? I’m sorry to have to admit that I’m simply to stupid to “see” a clear and adequate answer to this question to risk breaking some written or unwritten rules about AR Forum and outfitter/client confidentially. I would however, if it was known to me, be quite prepared to reveal the identity of pigslayer’s “legal guardian” that Jens referred to in his posting!  Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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Andrew, Appreciate your professionalism. I think, however, that this is a hunter several other outfitters would like to avoid in the future. In other words, this is a guy that no one wants to hunt with, like a previous troll here named Carmello. | |||
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We have had quite a few so called "hunters" those in the business would rather not tolerate! | |||
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The overwhelming support for Andrew speaks for itself. We all know you can't please everybody and some you never will " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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Pigslayer, Give it up. No one here believes your pigs@#t Hunting is not a matter of life or death....It's much more important | |||
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What am I to do after pigslayer has tried to destroy my reputation, my business and indeed my pleasure in life by posting a bunch of lies? Well it is on record that I have accepted his implied challenge to a sort of “trail by Internet”, and in fact I challenged him to accept (or suggest modifications) of a set of simple rules to govern such a cross-examination. Everyone has seen how serious his total lack of understanding and comprehending proper common written English by the suggestions for how such a trail could be conducted! But too get to the subject of this thread: My immediate past hunting client, know here at present only as pigslayer, sent me an e-mail message in which he called me a cheat as soon as he was safely home in the USA. I responded to this insult by, in civil and non-confrontational language, challenging him to indicate exactly which item(s) on his final safari bill was in error. To this he responded by sending me a threatening message and assigning literally strings of abusive manes to me. My reply was simple: “Tell me where and by how much I have cheated you?” I clearly indicated that until that information has been provided, I’ll regard the matter as “on pigslayers’ side of the net”. He called me a cheat and has yet to tell me where, and by how much I have cheated him. He chose to not respond to this – what I consider to be a reasonable request for a long time. Then, more than a year after the end of his safari, when he had his trophies safely home, he posted his extremely negative hunting report that contains more totally false than half true statements, and in which the real truth is carefully ignored. It makes me think of the idiot who mixed a pound of shit into a gallon container of ice cream, to “stretch” the feast. Naturally all that he got was two pounds of shit! In exactly the same way pigslayer mixed a small bit of truth with a hellofalot of lies – and hoped that people will regard it all as truth. Sorry Mr. pigslayer, you mix o lot of lies with a bit of truth, all that you end up with is a lot of lies! I regarded this as a “challenge” to a sort of trail by Internet by cross-examining type of postings on AR forum. On 07/11/2013 I provisionally accepted this implied challenge on the simple condition that there should be some basic rules of engagement in place. Initially it seems that pigslayer ignored this acceptance of my challenge, but eventually he did respond in a half hearted manner on 17/03/2014. But in the same posting he started breaking the rules that I suggested, by him asking questions before he has replied to my first questions. He now has been quiet on this forum for long enough! I therefore repeat that the first questions asked were by me, and pigslayer should reply to this simple question before he has the right to ask any question from me. I asked him to, in reference to my “final safari account” (i) indicate where, referring to the Sheet and Cell on the Excel spreadsheet, I cheated him , and (ii) by how much he was cheated, or in other words, what should the amount in that particular cell have been? Barring calling me abusive names these crucial questions remains totally unanswered to this day. But the accusation that I made in my posting on 01/12/2013 is perhaps of more importance, as this was said in public here on AR Forum: In summary, in this posting I showed pigslayer to be a liar about the “facts” listed in his first and 8th “points” about his pre-safari assessment of my business. Let me word this in a simple manner, so that it can be understood even by an English language comprehension retarded reader: I, in so many words said that pigslayer is a liar. But in my posting on 10th December 2013 I actually said that: “ If someone has been proven to tell lies, then he is a “?whatsamacallit?” Now some retards may not know what word to put in the place of “whatsamacallit”, for those I say that someone who has peen proven to have told a lie is called a liar! Maybe I should shout this out: PIGSLAYER IS A LIAR! A man who knows all the true facts, and then reports falsely about such facts is a liar! I repeat it again: PIGSLAYER IS A LIAR! Now if anyone posted a statement like that about you (this “you” being the reader of this posting), would you leave it without any attempt to reply to such an accusation, and so clear your name? Well pigslayer totally ignored this accusation! How convenient! My accuser did not make any response to the posting by so many AR members. Well, give all possible latitude where there may be any doubt. Instead of responding by showing where I misquoted the, what I would call the “true facts”, from our pre-safari email exchanges, he asked more accusing questions in his posting on 12/03/2014. Well, I have news for pigslayer: It won’t work! You are not going to succeed in winning this “trail by Internet” by ignoring my accusations! Listen, pigslayer, just for your convenience I’ll repeat it: I now again say: “pigslayer YOU TOLD A BUNCH OF BLOODY LIES ABOUT YOUR FIRST “FACT” OF YOUR PRE-SAFARI ASSESSMENT OF MY BUSINESS!” You are here and now challenged to respond to this accusation in a manner that you think fit! I beg of you to not attempt to confuse the issue by again asking questions about other aspects of my behaviour: Just stick to the statements that I have made that can be summarised as saying that “pigslayer is a liar!” Given pigslayer’s record of totally ignoring reasonable questions asked by a number of other posters in this thread, one may perhaps expect pigslayer to also ignore this question: pigslayer, what do you say about me calling you a liar? At this point I have a problem: How do I know that pigslayer does indeed see this posting, and that his not responding is not perhaps due to simply not knowing that I called him a liar? It is quite conceivable that he would slander my good name, and then not even have the decency to follow the thread that he has started from time to time to see the effect of his posting. [Given the support shown for me, and the obvious contempt in which pigslayer is held by the majority of posters here, it can be reasonably expected that he would not really want to keep up to date with developments on this thread! ] Given the situation as described above, may I ask a few of you to just send a simple little PM to pigslayer [and please include me in the list of recipients] alerting him to the fact that I have made this posting, and that you ask him to please respond to this? If this such a PM is sent to pigslayer by a number of posters here, I’ll know that I may reasonably accept that he was properly alerted and therefore knows about this posting. May I firstly ask the other readers on this forum to regard pigslayer’s ignoring of this posting by not responding to it as an acceptance to the fact that pigslayer has indeed lied about the so-called “first fact”? A second question begging is: Would it be reasonable to interpret pigslayer’s responding to my accusation by means of bringing up other irrelevant to the calling him a liar about his “first fact”, as an implicit admission that he has in fact lied about the true facts regarding his “first fact”? May I remind you, Mr. pigslayer, that in my posting of 07 November 2013 I used the words “Unfortunately for you, there is now no turning back for you. Trail by Internet it will be! ” May I now warn you that, once you have given either a satisfactory argument that I’m not entitled to, based on the evidence that I have posted, call you a liar, or you have admitted that you have lied about your “first fact”, I intend exposing the next lie that you have told. And so it will go on, and on, and on, until most, if not all of the lies that you have told in your slanderous postings, which IMHO were wrongfully placed in the Hunt Report section, has been fully exposed. I well realise that there are some outstanding replies to suggestions made by various posters - be assured that I will attend to those soon! Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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Andrew, You have been nothing but open and up front. Pigslayer on the other hand has not. I would hunt with you any day Hunting is not a matter of life or death....It's much more important | |||
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Andrew, You should check out how Aaron Neilson handled a similar situation on this thread: http://forums.accuratereloadin...043/m/2801087791/p/1 ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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As a member of the Bar I am appointing myself judge over this shit storm. I am issuing a directed verdict (sua sponte) in favor of the Defendant, Andrew. Case closed. Now everyone go home and let Andrew conduct his business in peace and pigshit to pick jam out of his toes. Dutch | |||
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Another of the many questions Pigslayer has failed to answer is how much he paid for this safari? - My guess is he paid very little indeed. | |||
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I had a message from a gentleman who apparently had the same misfortune to deal with pigslayer. I am hoping he will post all the details here soon. | |||
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Got the following email. "...Saeed, I was accommodating this pigslayer in my lodge when he hunted with 2 young phs /outfitters I know and helped out , He ,Gaynor Costner said he had cancer and never had long to live ,he came the first year and shot some trophys,he then cam again a year later with a black powder gun ,shot 23 animals and a few trophy animals in that list,he shot trophys and then refused to pay trophy price but insisted he was on a management hunt and only paid cull price,he shot a huge kudu on my property and the outfitter begged me to give them a discount as the client refused to pay trophy price and insisted he was on a management hunt , why did he pull the trigger of the phs rifle as he knew the black powder rifle wouldn't reach the huge bull?. He is a fraud ,a liar and a defamation candidate, I have seen his mounted trophies in a lodge in the eastern cape,they are awesome ,a 50 inch eastern cape kudu and a 18 inch white blesbuck are a few to mention ,he never paid for them so he never got sent them , I also think he owes karl human taxidermy and apology as I have seen the work and it is awesome Ban this arsehole from posting as he is a fraud. ... | |||
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Every PH and outfitter in Africa should become warned against this person. He is a conartist in one way and is in fact able to destroy a living/business for a lot of people. DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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If a outfitter or a ph does not adhere to the agreement with his client he is exposed on AR and get the chance to give his side of the story. There are some bad apples in our profession and that is one of the purposes of AR to warn hunters against the bad apples. But is the reverse also true, that outfitters and ph's must be warned about the bad clients. We have 2 records here to prove that pigslayer is one of the bad apples. I think he must be named to protect outfitters and ph's from doing business with him and stand to loose money. We all want a fair deal, so if bad professionals can be named, why not bad clients? Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Exactly! We should name all the bad apples, regardless of whether they are in the business or clients. | |||
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I agree the flaky bastards should be named & if possible shamed but the unfortunate thing is it's usually very difficult for someone in the industry to do so because he's pretty much always on a hiding to nothing because the more he says, the longer the bad publicity might last...... To say nothing of the legal issues! We've had an occasional one & one particularly obnoxious & dishonest individual especially had scammed safari companies & taxidermists half way across Africa but even now I'm retired, I probably wouldn't name him publicly unless I had to. I might however discuss some things privately with others in the industry.  | |||
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