quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
What an entertaining bunch you lot are!

Obviously Safari season is coming to an end!

No Man! Just getting started for me! Leaving in 19 days for ele bull and leopard with CMS!!



Not that I'm excited or counting the days or anything!

quote:

Originally posted by Todd Williams:

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
What an entertaining bunch you lot are!

Obviously Safari season is coming to an end!

No Man! Just getting started for me! Leaving in 19 days for ele bull and leopard with CMS!!



Not that I'm excited or counting the days or anything!

I can't wait to hear about it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Liverpool, or anyone else that will take him, can have him! We won't even fight you on that one! Call that one a "freebee" !


Todd We dont want him, we have enough scroungers over here. It must really piss you off though,that its your tax dollars that will keep him,and his, in luxury for the rest of their lifes. jc

quote:

Originally posted by Saeed:
I lived in Texas for a couple of years, and found out that Texans have a mean sense of humor.

They gave me as hard a time as I gave them, and we all laughed about it.

There is no bloody political correctness between us at all.

Amen to that!

I do wish I had been able to see you win that dollar from Bill Poole!

quote:

Originally posted by John Chalmers:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Todd Williams:
Liverpool, or anyone else that will take him, can have him! We won't even fight you on that one! Call that one a "freebee" !


Todd We dont want him, we have enough scroungers over here. It must really piss you off though,that its your tax dollars that will keep him,and his, in luxury for the rest of their lifes. jc

No doubt!

Crazyhorse sir - please see my earlier posts. I have corresponded with Andrew for over 3 years & trust him completely.

My comment was about all the friendly banter and teasing by the other guys!

Something must have been lost in the translation NAKI, because your response came across, to me at least, that you felt like Pigslayer was justified in his accusations.

Is that not what you were saying?

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Does anyone know who pigslayer actually is?

I think its Larry..........forgot his latest name.jc

quote:

Originally posted by John Chalmers:

quote:

Originally posted by larryshores:
Does anyone know who pigslayer actually is?

I think its Larry..........forgot his latest name.jc

NOT LARRYSHORES

Sorry. Bwana Shores is not capable of whining that much even if he tried....

Jeff

Do we take it that Pigslayer has clammed up?
JCHB

Hmmm... Pigslayer...

Let's see... You were looking for the cheapest hunt you could find and booked it... Mid-hunt you reported how well your hunt was going... Now you claim you were under duress at the time and your hunt was actually a bust.

After booking your "cheap" hunt and experiencing it you're now complaining about your Outfitter being "cheap"... Makes one wonder who the "cheap" one is around here...

Seems you have a history of "bad hunts" based on previous comments / reports....

I suspect it is time for some introspection... With a Capital "I".

He was looking for a cheap, successful, unorthodox hunt and he got one. When you're bargain hunting that's a roaring success.

A buddy/bargain hunt is unlikely to have the structure of a tented safari on the Selous.

Rhetorical Question: When does it become inappropriate to leave this drunken smear job rant for the hunting world to peruse? If I were the target of this as a business owner I would be livid.

Jeff

There are reasons you shouldn't mix alcohol, opioids, and the internet.

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Originally posted by Bwana Bunduki:
Rhetorical Question: When does it become inappropriate to leave this drunken smear job rant for the hunting world to peruse? If I were the target of this as a business owner I would be livid.

Jeff

Shouldn't Andrew refute the claims, insted of leaving it hanging?

I agree. It is now AM job to refute the claims of this idiot who also won't come on with his backup. The whole things smells.
Cal

No way I'd want to paddle around in this stuff either.

Jeez pigslayer look at what you have started. Even the Queen has become involved.

quote:

Originally posted by Duckear:
There are reasons you shouldn't mix alcohol, opioids, and the internet.

+1

think it was dogleg

that stated to me that

it takes a rich man to book a cheap hunt

most of us can not afford the mental flexibility required to fix the small rather insignificant this and that that may pop up

when a discount hunter buys a $10,000 hunt and expects the flow features and fantastic of a $100,000 safari he just might come up short

Stradling, the guy that made that quote famous is Mr Peter Flack the author and I agree 100% Wonder what happened to Pigslayer?

The silence is telling

Yes, the silence is telling!

But what exactly does it tell you?

My old grandmother used to tell me " t'is better to be silent and thought a fool , than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

People have/will draw their own conclusions on reading this whole sorry sage , if AndrewMcLaren doesnt make another posting here the whole deal may just die a natural death and go away - and that really wouldnt be a bad thing in my eyes.

Hmmm, three weeks now and no further posting?
Damn, December ALREADY??
George

This whole thing reeks of kak. It certainly does not agree with what I know of Andrew. Having said that, all we really have is a nasty seemingly drunken ramble. Just once when there is a shit storm blowing in I wish someone would post the facts. Reading this thread reminds me of being a child and my grandmother having those bloody soap operas on the tube. All we need are the facts and figures. No name calling and no drama please. Even though I have said that, I find myself fascinated watching this train wreck unfold.

OK Mike here are some facts: Just the facts and with absolutely no name calling.

Quoted from pigslayers’ Hunt Report:

"my pre-assessment was based on the following facts:"

“1. andie couldn't provide me with a trophy list.” and also;

“ 8. he repeatedly couldn't answer mt questions as to trophy fees.”

I deal with these two together as they are really one and the same: Trophy List and Trophy Fees.

Now it is a fact that the whole lead time of the safari, from the first AR posting by pigslayer on 30 April 2012 to arrival at Johannesburg Airport on 2nd July 2013 was rather short.

Some Private Message exchanges via AR Forum, in which I’m sure I have mentioned at least some trophy availabilities are no longer available [deleted after one year], but I quote from the very first email message sent to me by pigslayer:

” general hunt exactly describes the hunt i'm looking for. it fills that gap between trophy,management and cull.

I ask the reader of this post if this sounds like a hunt that was offered without any “trophy list”?

But let’s look at the next fact:

On 2012 06 06 at about 0341 AM I sent pigslayer a Draft Remuneration Agreement (RA)as a MS Word.doc document attached to an email message in which the RA is explained. The RA contains a table of trophy fees and costs in which no less than 44 prices for different species and different trophy classes of the specific species was listed. There were for example no less than 6 different prices for blesbok: These were listed as two different places “Blesbok away from Mervilla” [Mervilla being my “home Base”] and Blesbok at Mervilla”, and at each one of these three prices were given for “female”, “male” and Trophy > 15””. Many other species were similarly listed as “at Mervilla” and “Away from Mervilla” and often with similar breakdown into “females”, “males” and “trophy > some measurement”.

So there is no doubt that I have actually sent pigslayer a “trophy list” as well as “trophy fees”.

There may be a question: “Did pigslayer actually receive this list?” It may be of interest to note that pigslayer experienced “some computer problems” and initially could not open any of my attachments to emails.

Then on 2012 06 17 at about 0932 PM pigslayer sent me this:
”

andrew,

i finally got my comp back to where i can open most attachments.

yesterday i opened the remuneration agreement ( 1st draft ). i know there was a bit of confusion on it.

my question is regarding the trophy fee prices. is this the list that was meant for me or your other group of hunters ? “

So we have no established beyond any doubt whatsoever that pigslayer did indeed receive and was able to open my Draft Remuneration Agreement, and he asked a specific question about the “list of trophies and prices”.

Now I again ask the reader of this: “Is this as stated in points (1) and (8) of the “facts” quoted by pigslayer in his Hunt Report?

Just incidentally I did send a very detailed reply to pigslayer on 2012 06 18 at about 1049 AM – virtually immediately [Note there is quite a big time difference between USA west coast and South Africa].

I’ve now given the Andrew McLaren Safaris’ side of two of the “facts” as quoted by pigslayer. He accused me of, in his first point; (1) “ couldn’t provide me with a trophy list.” In his point (8) he said that I "repeatedly"could not answer questions about trophy fees.

I can say much more, but will leave the reader with these few revelations to consider, and then make up his/her own mind about the rest of the pigslayer report.

Andrew ,we all know you since many years ago ,we have been reading hundreds of good reports about you and your operation ,i learnt sometime ago that you cannot make everybody happy ,and that in hunting you can have many unexpected problems ,a reeal hunter will help and understand and some city trophy collectors just want to return to the city as fast as possible .So forget the matter and continue your good work .

quote:

Originally posted by Andrew McLaren:
Yes, the silence is telling!

But what exactly does it tell you?

That pigslayer is full of pigshit.

and apparently pigslayer has returned to the hog wallow…

Reading between the lines, this hunter bought a "no frills" "pay by the drink" hunt on the specific condition that he picked up the actual cost of gas, incidentals, trophy fees, and probably liquor as well; and that Andrew was going to do some hunting himself. Then when he got there, he objected to paying for gas, incidentals, booze and trophy fees etc.

Here are my specific comments:

1. andie couldn't provide me with a trophy list(this is not believable and Andrew has addressed it .. however there may be a grain of truth to it as every landowner has his own price list and there may have been some changes of venue or species at the last minute at the request of the client for which Andrew could not provide the info)
2. his daily rates were abnormally low. he was calling this a buddy hunt. (yes, this is entirely probable ... Andrew does offer this type of hunt but he is not deceptive about the "terms and conditions" ... he states up front WHY the daily rates are low, mostly because he is hunting, because gas is not included, and because only beer is provided)
3. he didn't want me to bring a copy of the remuneration agreement to africa (aha ... the client admits a remuneration agreement ie contract existed and likely spelled everything out including trophy fees in typical Andrew fashion, he is a stickler for this sort of detail, and in fact it's required by SA law... he may have said it's not necessary to bring your copy I have one here ... but in any case the client is an adult and he can bring whatever he wants with him)
4. the trophy fees were to be paid in rands. i offered to bring rands and he said no to bring U.S. dollars. (it's normal to pay landowners in rands when on a 'resident' style hunt ... Andrew was probably trying to make the client's life easier by offering to change the money in SA .. nothing sinister here, USD are useless in the Free State believe me).
5. he claimed he would pay the exchange rates (this does not make sense, you don't "pay" the exchange rate, you change money AT the exchange rate, it sounds like the client had never set foot out of the US before).
6. i was to pay the farmers directly for trophy fees. (and lucky for you Andrew was honest about this ... most SA outfitters pay the landowner in Rands and mark the trophies up 2-4x in USD terms)
7. i had to ask him twice if i needed to crawl on my knees to hunt. it was explained that i couldn't crawland risked debilitating pain if i did so. he avoided my question. i asked a second time if i had to crawl. this time he said simply to "buy the plane ticket" with a tone that he was well aware of my knee issues , which he was. this was after further research revealed his hunters do an abnormal amount of crawling. he knew this would've been a deal breaker if he answered honestly. (this is silliness ... some hunters are in frickin wheel chairs and the PH makes it work. If you don't want to crawl, or can't crawl, the PH is not going to force you to crawl.)
8. he repeatedly couldn't answer mt questions as to trophy fees (I suppose that depends on what the questions were ... did the client read his remuneration agreement? Or the emails that Andrew clearly provided? You pulled the trigger pal, not Andrew).
9.he refused to answer my question regarding taxidermists (again depends on the question asked ... there is no reason for a PH not to answer and if he didn't answer, it's entirely possible it was a stupid question, or he honestly did not know the answer. The bottom line is the client chooses the taxidermist and he is free to address his questions to the chosen taxidermist.)

I have hunted with Andrew and my clients have hunted with him as well. He is a little different than the normal SA operation in some respects. For example, he thoroughly enjoys hunting esp bird hunting, so he participates. He tells you this upfront and the quid pro quo is the hunt is discounted to reflect the fact that he is not standing next to you handing you fresh shells. On the contrary, he may be blasting away himself. He is sensitive to costs and his preferred "business model" is to offer a low daily rate and then to charge for booze and gas, the consumption of both is not entirely within his control particularly on a hunt where the client wants species that require a lot of driving, and/or the client likes his liquor. His home base camp is also a little different. It's more of a "locals" hunting camp than an upmarket camp aimed at wealthy foreigners (and their wives). There is a dorm room with 8 beds and a shared bath, plus an outside shower. Meals are taken around the fire, home cooked by Celia who is a bit shy but a delightful person and an excellent cook.
And the area is classic Free State ... think "Dances with Wolves" .. flat and grassy. That's not to say it's not Africa. For Africa is a diverse place. His main stock in trade is bird hunts with limited PG (on his home base) and this is an excellent area for birds (pigeons, guineas, and waterfowl). You also find Steenbok, Duiker, Blesbok and Springbok in these open grasslands, with the odd Warthog and some night critters. You hunt on working low fenced farms around Mervilla, Andrew has access to a vast number of them. Of course, you can also hunt other areas as this hunter did. That means driving between areas, long distances in some cases. Hence the gas money matter.

He complains that Andrew didn't want him to shoot a particular Steenbok. Many farmers in this area do not like you to shoot their Steenbok and Duiker, so it's entirely possible that Andrew would not let the client shoot a Steenbok on a particular property because the landowner did not offer that species, and he made a joke about meat to soften the message, which the client then chose to misinterpret.

I suspect this was just another case of buyer's remorse ... exacerbated by the client getting into something he could not really afford in the first place, buying the cheapest hunt he could find, and not wanting to live up to his end of the bargain eg paying for gas. Land Cruisers guzzle diesel, and SA diesel is expensive in rands and dollars. The client convinced himself that Andrew was a crook before he got on the plane, and then interpreted every aspect of the hunt from this viewpoint. It's called paranioa, I believe.

This whole thread reminds me of those people who fly Spirit Airlines to get a $125 ticket on a $500 route and then act like they were mugged when they have to pay for their three pieces of checked luggage.

I feel compelled to respond to Russ' posting. Maybe it will be the best understood if I insert my remarks into the text posted by Russ.

Originally posted by Russ Gould:
Reading between the lines, this hunter bought a "no frills" "pay by the drink" hunt on the specific condition that he picked up the actual cost of gas, incidentals, trophy fees, and probably liquor as well; and that Andrew was going to do some hunting himself. Then when he got there, he objected to paying for gas, incidentals, booze and trophy fees etc.

Here are my specific comments:Thanks Russ for the effort and time that you have spent “in my defence”. Much appreciated!

1. andie couldn't provide me with a trophy list(this is not believable and Andrew has addressed it .. however there may be a grain of truth to it as every landowner has his own price list and there may have been some changes of venue or species at the last minute at the request of the client for which Andrew could not provide the info)) Extremely well done Russ! You came to exactly the right conclusion without any help from me at all! Fantastic. But just see what I e-mailed to pigslayer at about 1049 AM on 2012 06 18 “2012 06 18 1049 AM AM
“
Hi Gaynor,

The list is my standard price list for low budget hunting. For you there is really no list: That can be better said; there are a lot of lists. One for each possible farm on which we are likely to hunt! I know now the main or “home base” farms, but at each temporary home base we may very well go for specific animals on other nearby farms. Quite impossible to send such a lot of lists, particularly as I now may not even know which farms we are likely to hunt on!

Be assured that you are hunting at the true cost to be paid to the farm owner! “ Now I wonder, if Russ Gould could so accurately understand that I did indeed send pigslayer a list and considering the quote above, why does pigslayer think anyone will believe him if he accuses me of ‘couldn’t provide me with a trophy list.’ “ If someone has been proven to tell lies, then he is a “?whatsamacallit?” !

2. his daily rates were abnormally low. he was calling this a buddy hunt. (yes, this is entirely probable ... Andrew does offer this type of hunt but he is not deceptive about the "terms and conditions" ... he states up front WHY the daily rates are low, mostly because he is hunting, because gas is not included, and because only beer is provided) The quoted daily rate was $ 125 per day at my home base Mervilla and $ 150 per day away from my home base. Although that excludes all safari fuel, I still agree with pigslayer that those are “abnormally low”.

3. he didn't want me to bring a copy of the remuneration agreement to africa (aha ... the client admits a remuneration agreement ie contract existed and likely spelled everything out including trophy fees in typical Andrew fashion, he is a stickler for this sort of detail, and in fact it's required by SA law... he may have said it's not necessary to bring your copy I have one here ... but in any case the client is an adult and he can bring whatever he wants with him)Spot on!

4. the trophy fees were to be paid in rands. i offered to bring rands and he said no to bring U.S. dollars. (it's normal to pay landowners in rands when on a 'resident' style hunt ... Andrew was probably trying to make the client's life easier by offering to change the money in SA .. nothing sinister here, USD are useless in the Free State believe me).Again spot on! The client did indeed speak of lots to do and time required to change money….!

5. he claimed he would pay the exchange rates (this does not make sense, you don't "pay" the exchange rate, you change money AT the exchange rate, it sounds like the client had never set foot out of the US before).In fairness to the client I think he means the “banking costs” to exchange US $ for ZAR…?!

6. i was to pay the farmers directly for trophy fees. (and lucky for you Andrew was honest about this ... most SA outfitters pay the landowner in Rands and mark the trophies up 2-4x in USD terms)Again spot on! I did indeed not add anything to the trophy fees that the farmers have charged me. Let’s play a guessing game or two; Pigslayer shot 3 big quite mature kudu bulls, not one I would call a “real trophy”, but there is also absolutely no doubt in my mind that they were fully representative mature males”. Guess what he paid? R 12 000? R 24 000? In fact he paid R 4 000 for each or R 12 000 for all three! Jealous? He also shot three warthogs, and he paid the grand total of R 400 for all three!

7. i had to ask him twice if i needed to crawl on my knees to hunt. it was explained that i couldn't crawland risked debilitating pain if i did so. he avoided my question. i asked a second time if i had to crawl. this time he said simply to "buy the plane ticket" with a tone that he was well aware of my knee issues , which he was. this was after further research revealed his hunters do an abnormal amount of crawling. he knew this would've been a deal breaker if he answered honestly. (this is silliness ... some hunters are in frickin wheel chairs and the PH makes it work. If you don't want to crawl, or can't crawl, the PH is not going to force you to crawl.)As usual spot on! !

8. he repeatedly couldn't answer mt questions as to trophy fees (I suppose that depends on what the questions were ... did the client read his remuneration agreement? Or the emails that Andrew clearly provided? You pulled the trigger pal, not Andrew).Spot on! This is getting boring. Well done Russ!

9.he refused to answer my question regarding taxidermists (again depends on the question asked ... there is no reason for a PH not to answer and if he didn't answer, it's entirely possible it was a stupid question, or he honestly did not know the answer. The bottom line is the client chooses the taxidermist and he is free to address his questions to the chosen taxidermist.)Spot on! !

I have hunted with Andrew and my clients have hunted with him as well. He is a little different than the normal SA operation in some respects. For example, he thoroughly enjoys hunting esp bird hunting, so he participates. He tells you this upfront and the quid pro quo is the hunt is discounted to reflect the fact that he is not standing next to you handing you fresh shells. On the contrary, he may be blasting away himself. He is sensitive to costs and his preferred "business model" is to offer a low daily rate and then to charge for booze and gas, the consumption of both is not entirely within his control particularly on a hunt where the client wants species that require a lot of driving, and/or the client likes his liquor. His home base camp is also a little different. It's more of a "locals" hunting camp than an upmarket camp aimed at wealthy foreigners (and their wives). There is a dorm room with 8 beds and a shared bath, plus an outside shower. Meals are taken around the fire, home cooked by Celia who is a bit shy but a delightful person and an excellent cook.Just for interest sake, pigslayer consumed booze (rather copiously) on my account – naturally funded from his low daily rates. Drink is free – or, more accurately - the more I drink the more value I get for my $125 per day!? !

And the area is classic Free State ... think "Dances with Wolves" .. flat and grassy. That's not to say it's not Africa. For Africa is a diverse place. His main stock in trade is bird hunts with limited PG (on his home base) and this is an excellent area for birds (pigeons, guineas, and waterfowl). You also find Steenbok, Duiker, Blesbok and Springbok in these open grasslands, with the odd Warthog and some night critters. You hunt on working low fenced farms around Mervilla, Andrew has access to a vast number of them. Of course, you can also hunt other areas as this hunter did. That means driving between areas, long distances in some cases. Hence the gas money matter. Spot on! !

He complains that Andrew didn't want him to shoot a particular Steenbok. Many farmers in this area do not like you to shoot their Steenbok and Duiker, so it's entirely possible that Andrew would not let the client shoot a Steenbok on a particular property because the landowner did not offer that species, and he made a joke about meat to soften the message, which the client then chose to misinterpret.I have to admit that I’ve not yet – and probably never will – read through all of the drivel that pigslayer has posted about his hunt. I do not remember not allowing him to shoot a particular steenbok. If it was indeed sso, I’m 100 % sure it was a female – if a hunter insists on shooting a female in this area where good trophy males abound, well, I won’t allow it. Period! But I do recall that shortly after (or was it before?) he hunted a good old, but one with horns of non trophy size, male gemsbok (for which he paid the incredible amount of R 3500) he saw a female with a very misshapen one horn, the other normal and quite long. He asked if he could shoot that one. I called the owner by cellphone and asked – to which I got a very definite reply: “NO! Under no circumstances are you allowed to shoot any female!” Now if the land owner – and hence the owner of a gemsbok with one spectacularly misshapen horn - tells me that, then there is no way that I will allow a client to shoot that female – no matter how much he desires to shoot such an oddity! If the client then reports it in his hunt report in such a manner that it sounds like an accusation – well so be it!

I suspect this was just another case of buyer's remorse ... exacerbated by the client getting into something he could not really afford in the first place, buying the cheapest hunt he could find, and not wanting to live up to his end of the bargain eg paying for gas. Land Cruisers guzzle diesel, and SA diesel is expensive in rands and dollars. The client convinced himself that Andrew was a crook before he got on the plane, and then interpreted every aspect of the hunt from this viewpoint. It's called paranioa, I believe.If all the 9 “facts” that pigslayer stated were actually 100% true, which is definitely not the case in some instances as “proven” (?) in my previous posting, I still fail to see how that leads to the conclusion that I’m a fraud? But if a client wishes to get out of a hunt a few days before it is due to start – for whatever reason or with what ever motivation – he is expecting to suffer a shit hunt. And if that is a client’s attitude from the start – what type of hunt do you think he will have? IMHO pigslayer came to South Africa to suffer a shit hunt and nothing in the world was going to prevent him from suffering a shit hunt!

This whole thread reminds me of those people who fly Spirit Airlines to get a $125 ticket on a $500 route and then act like they were mugged when they have to pay for their three pieces of checked luggage.In his posting on this topic dogleg remarked that if you book a cheap hunt and get one – one with many animals hunted – that is a roaring success! !

But thanks again Russ for your accurate assessment. I will not lower myself to remark on any of the rest of the drivel that pigslayer has posted. If some other AR member wishes to make remarks – I may respond to that. But until pigslayer clearly accepts the rules of “court by Internet” I will not make any further responses to his original postings; it is so much nicer to simply be able to agree with someone like Russ.

Andrew...as Dr Juan Pozzi and Russ have shared...YOU my friend are a STAND-UP GENTLEMAN!

Ever since I've been a member here...I can always count on your posts/threads for a TRUSTED ANSWER or POINT OF VIEW!!!

You are highly-regarded....Pig-Muck will NEVER be able to tarnish your fine reputation as a Professional SA Hunter....I've been always proud to know you my friend!

Rest assured...celebrate and give much thanks to your Creator and let not this escapade upset you though it is difficult when someone accuses you of mis-doings and more...

Move on my friend and despair no more!

Your morals and ethics are ALWAYS beyond reproach!!!

CHeers to a very special Holidays and a prosperous New Year!!!

I salute you sir

What kind of person gets on a website, trys to destroy one mans business, and then does not have the guts to back up his statement?

Hard to believe there are people like this but I guess thats what we are dealing with in this day and age.

Andrew:

I do not know you but based on the originator of this thread, and what he has written, I suspect your business to only go up, not down!

I had a long winded reply ready, but suffice it to say that I would go on a "Buddy Hunt" with Andrew anytime.

I think the moderators should ask Pigslayer to front up or ban him!

It is unacceptable that he makes all these accusations and then not turn up for cross examination!

Thanks Andrew, for your response.

Andrew most of us never doubted your credibility and veracity. Juan, Russ and many others have already expressed our support of your character and experience. We know the truth and hopefully we can put this to rest as I know you have been vindicated. Have a great Christmas as well as to all my other AR friends. On to DSC!!!


Dutch

Andrew:

I understand your natural concern about these accusations, but I wouldn't worry overly much about them. I think everyone sees them for what they are. I've never hunted with you, but your reputation precedes you.

I'm just a lawyer, but I'm generally familiar with the signs of a "client from hell." There's no pleasing them, their complaints come across as a rant, make no sense, are internally inconsistent and just don't hold water. This had all the signs of that from the beginning.

The fact that he hasn't returned to answer any of your responses/questions is pretty self-explanatory.

I think the result of the "internet trial" is pretty clear, and frankly, was a foregone conclusion after I read his initial post.

Just my 2 cents.