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over a thousand rds and it still shoots good
15 June 2009, 06:20
shootawayover a thousand rds and it still shoots good
-my Ruger bolt action lott,that is. [URL=
]100yds iron sights,off the bench[/URL] This was the third time this week that I got one in the center bullseye.I am spending time training my eyes how to shoot.When I shoot offhand,I got to aim about a foot to the left, at 100 yds, to hit the bullseye.But when shooting off the bench,I can aim almost dead on.
15 June 2009, 06:28
Mike_Dettorrelook sub minute of cape buffalo to me
MikeLegistine actu quod scripsi?
Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.
What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
15 June 2009, 06:33
mstarlingLike Mike said ... That'll work.
Mike
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http://www.mstarling.com 16 June 2009, 23:23
fla3006quote:
shootaway: I am spending time training my eyes how to shoot. When I shoot offhand, I got to aim about a foot to the left, at 100 yds, to hit the bullseye.
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quote:
Originally posted by fla3006:
??? Not sure I get this. The original poster is practicing to improve his skills. He shoots left a foot when shooting off-hand. The fact that he admits he's not perfect and is trying to work on it is pretty impressive (and that group ain't bad either with Irons!).
Why the rolly-eyes?
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16 June 2009, 23:52
Charles_Helmquote:
Originally posted by rnovi:
??? Not sure I get this. The original poster is practicing to improve his skills. He shoots left a foot when shooting off-hand. The fact that he admits he's not perfect and is trying to work on it is pretty impressive (and that group ain't bad either with Irons!).
Why the rolly-eyes?
Have you followed the Shootaway saga?
If you were not a reader as far back as the shooting ballerina times, you may be missing some backstory.
Some might suggest an adjustment to the sights of course, but that would be a pedestrian approach.
Here's a classic post:
quote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
If you practice regularly shooting offhand and you know that your bullet can hit a quarter easily at 100yds,then you can take out a leopard at 50yds really fast.Before I stopped shooting 3yrs ago I was able to shoot a cd offhand out to 400yds.I worked within a couple miles from a 600yd+ shooting range and would go by there often during work breaks with my 308.If my barrel went 4000rds then all those rds were shot offhand,and I went through 3 barrels. New regulations set in and we can no longer shoot offhand at the range.
17 June 2009, 00:11
SGraves155That's good shooting. Must have the sights glued on in exactly the right place.
17 June 2009, 00:32
jeffeossornovi --
the guy is a maroon --
he uses one scope ring to hold his 458 winmag scope on
feels that improper cleaning can lead to a split stock
wears a skidoo helmet when shooting
never cleans his barrel with anything but JB bore paste .. EVER
loads to so high over pressure that he can't reload the SECOND load.
swears up and down that a .458 barrel is shot out in less than 500 rounds.. due to PRESSURE
uses a torque and a screwdriver-as-mallet to beat his sights into place .. though he now claims to be shooting the bullseye
Couldn't hit any side of a barn, from WITHIN it, on most of his groups
variously ranging from village idiot to out right dangerous to bystanders
17 June 2009, 02:08
shootawayquote:
Originally posted by SGraves155:
That's good shooting. Must have the sights glued on in exactly the right place.
Thanks Steve! I am glad I finally got things straightened out.The other day I took out my new Ruger Lott and decided to prepare it in the same way I prepared the Ruger Lott you saw me shoot in the vids.I bedded the barrel lug with acraglass,then used loctite on my guard srews and made sure my sight would not move by hitting it on the side with a plastic screwdriver handle.I then waited a few days and took it to the range to zero and then glue my sights at 100yds once and forever.I decided to fire the first shot using my second leaf sight first and see where I was at.To my total joy,with just one shot, I was in the center of center! I then removed the sight screw,put on red loctite and screwed it down tight useing my torque wrench driver.I also applied plenty of red loctite on both sides of the leaf sight and let it set. The rifle is now ready for safari.
17 June 2009, 03:28
HogLeg458How's the barrel look? you got the rifling worn out yet?
Keep it up shootaway, we're rooting for ya!
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17 June 2009, 03:44
Wm.S.Laddquote:
The 308 Winchester will take 90+% of the game in N.A. for 95+% of the shots...everything else is Ginger vs. Maryann.
30-06 Spfd will take 100% of the game in No. America. God packs a 30-06. Moses opts for .308 Win.
17 June 2009, 07:51
lavacaI've got a really dumb question. Why would you have to hold a foot to the left offhand when the rifle shoots point of aim from the bench? I might be able to conceptualize the opposite if someone flinched (based on offhand comptetition shooting, getting on the trigger tended to be low right in my experience). I would expect the flinch to be from the bench not from offhand. Oh!, I think I just got it. Shooting from the bench, rifle doesn't move much due to sandbags, shooting offhand -- do we have a flinch?
17 June 2009, 08:04
GrumulkinIt could be a flinch or a jerking of the trigger. You jerk the trigger to keep from flinching you know.
17 June 2009, 10:14
chuck375A foot difference, that's not a flinch, it's a seizure!
Sorry shootaway, just joshin,
Chuck
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
17 June 2009, 19:22
shootawayHere is what happens when I aim for bullseye.The shots in the black where fired after I corrected my aim.[URL=
]100yds[/URL] I need only aim four inches to the left when shooting off the bench.This lead is only needed when shooting at a large black circle.The circle generally apppears twice,side by side,when I look at it through my sights.For some reason I don't have this issue when I am shooting at a large orange cirle,with a smaller white bullseye in the center.
17 June 2009, 21:21
RobgunbuilderGuys- This Moron is just pulling your chains! Dont waste bandwidth on it!-Rob
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18 June 2009, 02:55
shootawayI decided to bring my open sighted 30/30 lever action to the range and see if I have to hold at the same place at 100yds as I do with my lott.I forgot that I bought it for this purpose.It turns I do.As a general rule,if I want to hit the center of the target at 100yds,I need to hold about 4 inches to the left of the end of the target or black circle I see furthest to the left or about a foot and a half from the target on the right.I think I might have confused some.To make things clearer,I'll try to put up a drawing of how I see the target and where I need to aim.
19 June 2009, 01:02
tiggertateIf you would use the same eye standing and sitting to aim, the problem might go away.
"Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson.
19 June 2009, 01:46
JudgeGI have no problem seeing two targets when I use iron sights after I had my operation.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
19 June 2009, 02:01
boom stickquote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
A foot difference, that's not a flinch, it's a seizure!
Sorry shootaway, just joshin,
Chuck
19 June 2009, 02:33
tiggertatequote:
Originally posted by JudgeG:
I have no problem seeing two targets when I use iron sights after I had my operation.
"Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson.
19 June 2009, 02:49
jeffeossoquote:
Originally posted by shootaway:
I decided to bring my open sighted 30/30 lever action to the range and see if I have to hold at the same place at 100yds as I do with my lott.I forgot that I bought it for this purpose.It turns I do.As a general rule,if I want to hit the center of the target at 100yds,I need to hold about 4 inches to the left of the end of the target or black circle I see furthest to the left or about a foot and a half from the target on the right.I think I might have confused some.To make things clearer,I'll try to put up a drawing of how I see the target and where I need to aim.
and these are properly adjusted sights?
wow
19 June 2009, 03:17
HogLeg458Shootaway, I find that geting a good sight picture, and then closing my eyes right as I start to squeeze the trigger, helps my accuracy, if you don't see the target then you can't see the flinch!
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"-Carl Sagan
quote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
A foot difference, that's not a flinch, it's a seizure!
Ken....
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so. " - Ronald Reagan
19 June 2009, 19:23
DuckearI find shooting in the northern hemisphere and the spin of the earth pushes any bullet over 200grs I fire dead on to the right, hence the need to aim left. The closer to equator I am shooting, the less pronouced this effect is.
I tried to explain the problem in shootaway language. If it was gooble-d-gook, I have accomplished my task.
Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps.
19 June 2009, 20:03
N. GarrettDuckear and I know one another, and have shot together before.
I am just the opposite: I have to pull the trigger on Thursday in order for my bullet to strike the target on Friday.
I think it's a flinch.
Garrett
19 June 2009, 23:27
buffybrquote:
I am just the opposite: I have to pull the trigger on Thursday in order for my bullet to strike the target on Friday.
Is that because of slow lock time or are you just using a slow powder?
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20 June 2009, 02:39
greenjoyShootaway, when you shoot standing up it sounds like you are griping the rifle so tightly that you are bending the barrel to the right like a banana pointing off to the right, so you compensate by aiming 4 or 5 inches to the left.
When you shoot from the bench you are not torquing the forearm to the right so the point of impact is not off so much.
And what this about seeing two black target bulls? Are you zoning out your eyes like someone thats trying to see double?
Try closing the eye thats not look across the sights.
I hope it is you master eye that is looking across the sights. Close the weak eye or wear a blinder patch on it.
If you see two cape buffalos standing side by side shoot at the left one.
21 June 2009, 22:36
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21 June 2009, 23:24
SIR MAUSERTry wearing orange contacts.
21 June 2009, 23:39
SGraves155I've got presbyopia. Without glasses, I can see the target fine, but the sights are a blur. When I put the QR scope on, without glasses I now see
FOUR danged little orange circles in the scope--that problem is brand new in the past 6 months (last time i shot scoped), with the glasses on, there's only one orange circle. Probably starting to get cataracs or something. I gave up trying to figure out which of the four to shoot at, and just decided to wear the glasses.
22 June 2009, 03:05
shootawayWhile I was dry fire practicing I noticed someting that may be the cause for all of this.When I look down the sights with the rifle off the shoulder, such that the stock is higher than the shoulder,with my head straight up, I see a single target.But when I lower the stock back on to my shoulder,and have to bend my head down to look through the sights,the target appears as a double or triple.In other words,when I look at it straight,I see it once and when I look at it with my head bent down and see it at an angle,it appears at least twice.When I am shooting off the bench I have the butt end of the stock on bags and it is high enough so that I don't need to bend my head.
shootaway,
See an ophthalmologist.
Could be myasthenia gravis, multiple sclerosis, or some congenital palsy of the cranial nerves, lazy eye, no dominant eye ... ambidextrous eyes and no brain selectivity?
Brain damage?
22 June 2009, 03:52
JudgeGI think it is postpartum depression.
JudgeG ... just counting time 'til I am again finding balm in Gilead chilled out somewhere in the Selous.
22 June 2009, 04:48
chuck375Shootaway, I know the guys enjoy giving you crap (my comment about the seizure included), but here's a thought. Screw the bench, adjust your sights or scope for how you shoot off hand. Your group isn't bad at all for offhand except for a couple of fliers. If you can keep it in a dinner plate offhand consistently, you're probably shooting better than lots of folks.
Chuck
Regards,
Chuck
"There's a saying in prize fighting, everyone's got a plan until they get hit"
Michael Douglas "The Ghost And The Darkness"
22 June 2009, 04:57
shootawayquote:
Originally posted by chuck375:
Shootaway, I know the guys enjoy giving you crap (my comment about the seizure included), but here's a thought. Screw the bench, adjust your sights or scope for how you shoot off hand. Your group isn't bad at all for offhand except for a couple of fliers. If you can keep it in a dinner plate offhand consistently, you're probably shooting better than lots of folks.
Chuck
Thanks Chuck. I am just doing my homework and trying to make it to the second grade!
22 June 2009, 05:21
SIR MAUSERAttach the bench to your gun; see one target and have a good, steady rest wherever you are.
23 June 2009, 06:15
RobgunbuilderJeez- You guys just keep feeding the Troll! You know hes just screwing with you all!-Rob
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!
23 June 2009, 06:29
olcripWhat can I say?
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