quote:

Originally posted by Dave Bush:
i guess the whelen a.i. is a d.g. cart then too

so the 375 hawk will be better since it will be legal where the 9,3 is not.

also the ruger can be loaded down.

Boom Stick:

I have had some experience with the Whelen. I have taken two good size elk with my Whelen using plain old 250 grain Speer bullets. Two bullets dispatched two elk. No bullets were recovered and one elk was shot facing me. The bullet traversed about 36 inches of elk before exiting out behind the ribs on the off side. Would it work on the biggest bear? You bet and the .350 Rigby Magnum and 400/.350 had a wonderful reputation in Africa in their day. In answer to your question, I would have to say that the old Whelen can indeed be a fine dangerous game cartrige.

Dave[/QUOTE]

todays whelen loads get traditional 350 rigby velocities but now have better bullets!

the more time goes on the tougher animals get and the faster bullets need to go

the 35 veelen (fake euro accent to add snootiness) is argued as the best cart ever.

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
Why would one compare a 9.3x62 to a 375 Ruger..The Ruger compares to the 375 H&H. The 9.3x62 should be compared to the 35 Whelen or the .338 IMO...

I think the 375 Ruger is a go. It has a lot going for it, will it put the 9.3x62 or .375 out of business? No it will not, but it will be a welcome addition to a long line of fine cartridges.

Ray:

Did you get free rifles and ammo? Are you getting paid to promote the 375 Ruger?
Phil did.

Why not compare the 9.3 to any 375? As Ganyana has said, it does the job on anything that walks, and with less recoil.

Other then the select few, Ruger will probably make a run of about 1000 rifles. Probably something like Ruger Number 1's, or a single shot shotgun. Like most Rugers, accuracy out of the guns will only be good for gun writers and paid promoters. The rest of us will have the usual Ruger crap barrels, and, shotgun pattern accuracy. It will be blamed on the cartridge, and, it will become 'inherently inaccurate'.
Then, they'll get Hornady to produce the ammunition which, if judging by the 480 Ruger, will be a fantastic value, only if Steve Hornady wants to drive some boutique ammo producer out of business, who files a lawsuit and wins, against Hornady for the exclusive right to produce ammo with 375 Ruger on it.

If it's normal pricing, it will be 5 dollars a round, and, very little will be produced.

No one will have a rifle they want to shoot the cartridge in, and, a rifle that is suitable for what the cartridge was designed for.

Don't forget, all the gun rag guys will be paid to give it great reviews, some famous bear guides will take it up and shoot a brownie or two, and come back and say it's a fantastic round, then, next year, go back to their 458 Win mags that give them much bigger, more effective bullets, in the same weight rifle, on a short action already.

Dustin Linebaugh will use one to shoot a cub brown bear at 1000 yards, and will laud it's flat shooting, and hard hitting.

All the custom rifle guys will rave about how great it is, then neck it up to the .40's. They'd neck it up to 458, but then it would be a 458 winmag, and we can't have that.

So, they rename with their own name, or Rugers, a bunch of cartridges that have already been made, 30 years ago, and, never took off.

Again, boutiques produce ammo at 3-5 dollars a round, and, will kill the wildcats based on the cartridge.

Slowly but surely it will end up with the many other wildcats, in Ray's exclusive rifle collection...

Dr S

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
Why would one compare a 9.3x62 to a 375 Ruger.

I give up

quote:

Originally posted by Dave Bush:

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
Why would one compare a 9.3x62 to a 375 Ruger.

I give up

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Atkinson
one of us

Posted 27 July 2007 00:33 Hide Post
Well I am the proud owner of a 416/375 Ruger and its a dandy I suppose. I am selling the barreled action cuz I shoulda made myself a 404/375 Ruger I guess, maybe, who knows...but I'm gonna do that.


Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-326-4120
www.atkinsonhunting.com
ray@atkinsonhunting.com

The defense rests...

Dr. GS

GS,
My .375 Ruger Hawkeye African shoots 3/4 MOA for three shots with Hornady factory 270-grain ammo at 100 yards, when bedded in an HS Precision stock. It was about 1.5 MOA straight out of the box in bare walnut, pretty as you please for an $800 rifle.

The very first M77 Ruger rifle I bought in 1978 (.30-06) still shoots 3 shots into 1/2 MOA with my handloads.

Get the bedding right on most Rugers and they are very accurate. You will always find the lemon, even in a "brand X" or custom attempt at 9.3x62.

Ruger and Hornady are not crap.

GS is full of crap.
And you are a "doctor" of what?
I sorely hope not medicine, for then I would fear for your patients and the profession.

RIP:

you are really one funny guy...375 Ruger! The Cabela's here does not stock either the rifle or any ammunition.
The Gun Dept Managers quote "...we don't stock any of that oddball stuff...". They did have three 9,3x62 rifles and four kinds of ammunition though.

Rich
DRSS

Rugers are innaccurate?



Ruger 7mm Rem Mag

3 shots, 3 different powder charges



14 shots, 14 different powder charges



And of coursae the 375 Ruger Alaskan model





I think I can hunt wiht that...

Cabelas has no oddball stuff? Odd...

Like I said, i got mine fomr a small mom and pop gun store in norhtern BC.

There is nothing "odd-ball" about the .375 Ruger. It has been a needed cartridge for a long, long time.

Now Ruger has the .375 Ruger and the .204 Ruger both strokes of genius or corporate guts to bring the to market.

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
There is nothing "odd-ball" about the .375 Ruger. It has been a needed cartridge for a long, long time.

A needed cartridge for a long, long time! Say what? Yea, like there was this big, gaping whole in the ballistic lineup that needed to be filled by another .375

quote:

Originally posted by Gatehouse:
Cabelas has no oddball stuff? Odd...

Like I said, i got mine fomr a small mom and pop gun store in norhtern BC.

Gatehouse,
Is the Idaho Zephyr blowing again?
The Richfield, Wisconsin Cabela's has rhe .375 Ruger Hawkeye African and Alaskan. The other Cabela's must have sold out all across the country.

I know that Midway sold out of all the .375 Ruger brass they had, and it is now on backorder. Go read the product reviews of that item by customers there: all five-star's.

It may have taken only three of us to buy out the brass.

Much, much more .375 Ruger brass and many, many more .375 Ruger Hawkeyes will be made over the years to come, and less and less 9.3x62, which has always been a cartridge that is hard to find in the USA.

quote:

Originally posted by Dave Bush:

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
There is nothing "odd-ball" about the .375 Ruger. It has been a needed cartridge for a long, long time.

A needed cartridge for a long, long time! Say what? Yea, like there was this big, gaping whole in the ballistic lineup that needed to be filled by another .375

Yes indeed, the .375 Ruger equals and betters the .375 H&H in a standard action not requiring any weakening of the action by opening to H&H length. This has been desperately desired by the masses since 1912, soon after the Queen H&H was born, and proven.

The .375/.338WinMag never could do that, and Dakota would never build the .375 Dakota for the masses.

our store gun dept. mgr told me the next person in the front door wanting to buy a Ruger in 375R will be the first one! Maybe Cabela's has gotten soft-hearted and has decided to let those little mom 'n pop stores rake in the big bucks. From all the response here they seem to be selling like hotcakes! This is a state where one of three adult males and one in five women over the age of twenty-one buys a combination hunting & fishing license every year.

I guess we are just podunk Idaho, we don't even have gay "partnerships" and right to make a career out of public assistance like the states you post from. I can deal with that.

You want the right to toot your horn about the 375R...currently you don't have enough members to form a tribe and apply for federal assistance. My Mauser 98 in 375H&H Improved still out velocities and muzzle energies the 375R.

Rich
DRSS

The gentle breeze from the west, the Idaho Zephyr blows. The ignore function can tame the wind.

quote:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
our store gun dept. mgr told me the next person in the front door wanting to buy a Ruger in 375R will be the first one! Maybe Cabela's has gotten soft-hearted and has decided to let those little mom 'n pop stores rake in the big bucks. From all the response here they seem to be selling like hotcakes! This is a state where one of three adult males and one in five women over the age of twenty-one buys a combination hunting & fishing license every yea

They are selling fast enough that the demand outstrips the supply. Maybe no hunter in your area has much need of a 375?? I know the alaskan model is going to sell well with guides around here, and lots of guys like to take 375's when grizz hunting.

quote:

I guess we are just podunk Idaho, we don't even have gay "partnerships" and right to make a career out of public assistance like the states you post from. I can deal with that.

How is your thoughts on gay partnerships relevant to this discussion? Is there something that you arent' telling us about? Hmm?

quote:

You want the right to toot your horn about the 375R...currently you don't have enough members to form a tribe and apply for federal assistance.

Um...Yeah...The rifles and cartridges have been selling to the public for just a couple of months.

quote:

My Mauser 98 in 375H&H Improved still out velocities and muzzle energies the 375R.

Yes, and if that is important to you, then great.

The Ruger offers H&H performance in a standard Ruger action, from a 20" barrel, and you can buy the rifle and ammo off the shelf, you don't need to build it or make ammo if you are not a handloader. And instead of spending a fair amount of money on custom gun work, the Ruger puts a rifle of H&H performance in the hands of virtually any one that can afford a rifle.

The .378 Weatherby out velocities and muzzle energies any .375 H&H Improved......

The success of the .375 Ruger is the complete balanced package of action size, caliber, ballistics, quality, and commercial pricing.

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
The .378 Weatherby out velocities and muzzle energies any .375 H&H Improved......

The success of the .375 Ruger is the complete balanced package of action size, caliber, ballistics, quality, and commercial pricing.

As I have already said, it is the rifle that will sell the 375Ruger cartridge, not it's ballistics!

Ballistic performance is a key driver in cartridge acceptance.

quote:

Originally posted by MacD37:

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
The .378 Weatherby out velocities and muzzle energies any .375 H&H Improved......

The success of the .375 Ruger is the complete balanced package of action size, caliber, ballistics, quality, and commercial pricing.

As I have already said, it is the rifle that will sell the 375Ruger cartridge, not it's ballistics!

Mac, I understand what you are saying about the rifle, but I think the ballistics will be a seller, too- What better compliment could you say about a cartridge than "It's similar to H&H"

quote:

Originally posted by Gatehouse:

Mac, I understand what you are saying about the rifle, but I think the ballistics will be a seller, too- What better compliment could you say about a cartridge than "It's similar to H&H"

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the ballistics of the 375R,there isn't, but it is bracketed in by several other cartridges, and so with the extensive competition it has in the ballistics part, it stands like a tree in a forest, hard to see among all the others. However, the very well designed, and very saleable price of the rifle it comes in is it's biggest asset, to make it sell, IMO!

Don't get the idea that I'm downing the cartridge at all, I'm not, but because of where it is placed the cartridge alone will not guarantee it a long life, till a lot of people use it, and that rifle will get it in the hands of a lot of hunters, and that will insure it's long term existence! The 376 Steyr is a fine cartridge as well, but the rifle it came out in, has all but killed it for all practical purposes.

The .375 Ruger is not bracketed by several other cartridges when it comes to African dangerous game and legal minimum caliber requirements. In fact, it's not bracketed at all. It is a powerhouse .375 caliber in a standard length action and trim rifle that is equally at home in North America or Africa and priced to sell.

When I get my 375 Ruger, I want it to be a powerhose too..... Oh how I dream about slayinggg all of the mighty A-frickin beasts with my big fat nasty ultra mean 375 Ruger,...
Did I stop to mention that she truely is the meanest thing ever? oh yeh, dat dere, tree sevenyfive rugers she bad ass. Killed the neighbors dog wit'er da ahder nite pieces flew tirty feet in DA air, no shit man. 9.3 x 62 I sold it man piece of shit, no shit. 375 ruger blows holes I mean big ones. Now I rule the hood. ann that shit rocks maaan.
( a silly story by Timan )

quote:

Originally posted by RIP:
The gentle breeze from the west, the Idaho Zephyr blows. The ignore function can tame the wind.

Ah, so I'm not the only forum member on this website to easily notice that Idaho boy posts a lot but adds no substance to what he spews. Beyond annoying. However, it has become accepted knowing that he offers nothing, really, when a discussion is taking place and his comments should be taken with a grain of salt.

Timan,
Good .375 Ruger jive. Glad you like it.

Now let's here some Kentucky Twang about a Stainless Magnum Mauser, please.

Your action missed out on the .395 Tatanka, but the proximity of your shop to the "Tatanka Center" helped name the cartridge.

A Satterlee action could become the first ever 500 Mbogo. The barrel and the reamer are raring to go. Do you think you could make a 500 Mbogo feed properly in your action? What do you think?

This ain't no hornswoggle.

Timan = Satterlee actions. I would have never guessed it.

Gander Mountain in Texarkana, Texas has 375 Ruger ammo in stock. Still waiting on Rifles to arrive. Might just have to rebarrel that VZ24 I have sitting in my closet.

Moosehunter,

it usually takes more posts than yours to become an expert. My background is fairly well known here, expecially by people who can read. There are more than twenty six-point elk rack scattered around the ranch building walls that I have taken here in Idaho in the past twenty-nine years, and we eat fresh buffalo meat here year round. JGC currently offers nine wildcat reamers I designed over eleven years that I wrote for Precision Shooting Magazine and others. I still have articles printed in outdoor/hunting/competition magazines when something interests me enough to write it up.

The issue with peanut heads like you is you pay too much attention to a bigmouth like RIP. The two of us have had several set-too's over the past year and a half, like his insistence that there is enough difference in case dimensions in various brands of 416 Rigby brass to preclude making my 510KX round a feeding reality. An AR member here was at the gunshop where the 510KX was built and watched it feed a couple magazine fulls. He chooses to defend himself in indefensible positions like the above-mentioned one by the puerile "when you are wrong and above admitting it...try and deflect attention away from yourself by sticking the person in the right with deprecating names and innuendo". His clever ploy of using an on the surface innocuous reference like "Idaho Zephyr" because he doesn't want me on his case. I'm a bit more to the point than he.

It would be like my response to his tag line by suggesting that if he paid his bills and were not being sued for malpractice so often he wouldn't have had to move so frequently. Could be true, could just be an in-kind, mean spirited response. RIP may, I repeat may, own one of these firearms he talks about; but he must have some seriously anti-social personality disorder because he is never able to print any pictures of him (I heard it's because he is so fat and obnoxious) with a rifle at a range with anyone else.

Y'see, I have friends here in the Boise area who have been to the range with me shooting some of my rifles, that have independently posted statements in support of what I have said. They also frequent the same gunshops and gunsmiths. One of my gunsmith friends has chambered several rifles this past year for customers using my 510KX and 9,5x74R reamers. I report on things I have done, and all of it is easy to check up on. RIP doesn't appear to have any real friends to back up what he claims, but he has a very rich internet life with all of the things he says he is doing.

It's like claiming to be from Alaska or somewhere else. Everyone knows I am from SW Idaho; not because I say so, but because they are and see me at gunshows and shooting ranges, and at gunshops and gunsmiths shops in the area. People don't have to ask me if I can and do really shoot big bores, because half a dozen AR forum members watched me do loadwork with a 505 Gibbs, shooting eight to ten rounds over a fifteen minute period from the bench, about a dozen different times. They know I am a basic novice with a lathe or mill, but have read about my efforts to take 650gr cast plain base bullets from my brother's 50-90 Sharps mould and turn a gascheck shank on them to fit Hornady gaschecks, then one of them sized and lubed them in his .511" die. They know I know a little about machine tools because I shared being shown how to use a tapered pin reamer and swage those bullets down to a measured .5065" so they could be loaded and shot in the 505 Gibbs. People here know I re-discovered the 38-90wcf (aka the 9,5x74R) because I wanted a cartridge to meet the rules for the NRA Long Range Matches in Raton in 38 caliber. They know the germans took that original 38-90 case about the turn of the century and necked it down .012" to create the 9,3x74R; because I went looking for a case, and Dave Davidson at CH4D had done the same thing about 20 years ago in a double rifle and made dies. They know that the 9,3 is easy to take a dremel tool fine tip bit and make a 9,3 into a 9,5 and so make a matching headstamp to be legal in Africa. Because I found out and shared the information.

They know a lot of things, some of interest, some not, because while people like you read what is posted here by people like me. Many, many of them have a lot more to offer than I do, but if I needed the ego stroke, I'd be back to writing fulltime instead of mostly retired and chowsing cows around the Idaho/Oregon high desert area and spending my spare time tinkering with shooting things.

You have taken too much of my time with your sycophantic defense of RIP, but I felt it necessary to let the rest of the readership know just a little of the truth. I do things, and I share my findings. Good, or bad.

You manage to pack a lot of stupid in a short post, so you have accomplished one thing.

regards,

Rich
DRSS

Well, glad to hear some of you all got lucky with Rugers. Wonder if they just put Kreiger barrels on their first rifle releases, or, just in general, make sure the barrels are new, well cut and finished?

I'd sure do that on a first run...

Dr S

I quit reading after the part about needing thousands of posts to be an expert on a forum.

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
Well, glad to hear some of you all got lucky with Rugers. Wonder if they just put Kreiger barrels on their first rifle releases, or, just in general, make sure the barrels are new, well cut and finished?

I'd sure do that on a first run...

Dr S

The pics I posted of the 7Rm was form a rifle bought off the rack in about 1992...It had about 1500 rounds through it by the time I shot that group. It's not just one select load, either..That happened to be the 140gr TSX, but I've shot teeny groups wiht 160gr X bullets, 175 gr Parttions, and 150gr BT's, as well as Horndaies and Speer...

mh,

or did the grade school kid who does your two or greater syllable word interpreting have to go home early? Commenting on anything with out reading the entire article/post is just a sign of willful ignorance or stupidity. There's a cure for ignorance, it's called education. The other ones just leaves you out there in left field for eternity. For you, it might better be termed "...know your enemy..." since you have come in out of left field with out any reason to on my part to start a flame war about a topic you know nothing about.
It's your turn to post something other than a feeble, grade school attempt to impugn me here...lay out some of your vast array of published work, wildcats you have designed, custom rifles you have had built. It is always easy to stand in the shadows and cast stones at those who actually DO things in the firearms field.
But, of course, that would take money, some imagination, and an IQ over room temperature.

regards,

Rich
DRSS

Damn! What brought on this little war???????

.....................

quote:

Originally posted by Buliwyf:
The .375 Ruger is not bracketed by several other cartridges when it comes to African dangerous game and legal minimum caliber requirements. In fact, it's not bracketed at all. It is a powerhouse .375 caliber in a standard length action and trim rifle that is equally at home in North America or Africa and priced to sell.

Why would you say the 375Ruger is not bracketed? What do you call the 376Steyr,375H&H, 375Wby, 378WBY, 375Tayler, and many other wildcats useing the .375 dia bullets? I'd say the 375Ruger is standing in a thicket of .375 cartridges, which post ballistics on both sides of it, that to me is what BRACKETING means!

...............and your description of the rifle just agreed with my take on what will guarintee the long life of the 375R, "THE RIFLE IT COMES IN" Because you can get the balistic in a half dozen .375 cartridges, that are also legal for African animals.

As I have already said, the .375 Ruger is a cartridge that has been needed for a long, long time. It is a factory round with outstanding ballistics that is chambered in an affordable factory standard length CRF action set-up for either North America or Africa hunting. The .375 Ruger is absolutely not bracketed by anything.

With six more posts, we can hit 200 for this thread ...

Do we really want this to continue?

quote:

Originally posted by Gatehouse:

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
Well, glad to hear some of you all got lucky with Rugers. Wonder if they just put Kreiger barrels on their first rifle releases, or, just in general, make sure the barrels are new, well cut and finished?

I'd sure do that on a first run...

Dr S

The pics I posted of the 7Rm was form a rifle bought off the rack in about 1992...It had about 1500 rounds through it by the time I shot that group. It's not just one select load, either..That happened to be the 140gr TSX, but I've shot teeny groups wiht 160gr X bullets, 175 gr Parttions, and 150gr BT's, as well as Horndaies and Speer...

Not saying all Rugers are inaccurate. I'd like to see you get that group with a Ruger Single Six, a Ruger 45 Colt, Ruger Mini 14, etc. Mini 14 and 30 are often 'minute of elephant' at 100 yards...meaning you can hit anywhere on the elephant...

Some of their 'barrels' are not even good enough for boat anchors. Speced a 22lr Single Six barrel at .228", and sent it back to ruger. They said that was within specs for the Single Six!!!!

I can just see my 22 bullets rattling down that barrel like a raft at a theme park ride.


Also, it's likely the first barrels might be pretty good, since they want everyone to think their new caliber works, and, it's accurate.

Thanks, but if I want a crap shoot, I'll go to Vegas, and spend a LOT less money...

Dr G

epiphany:

MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. The 9.3 x 62 gets you enough velocity to drop an elephant, straight penetration, and works, yet it does this at 2400 fps, with a 286 grain bullet. Increasing the velocity DECREASES the effectiveness, and, increases the chance of bullet deformation, diminishing penetration. The real effect is to decrease accuracy, due to increase in recoil, and, the Ruger diminishes magazine capacity, something that is a big deal, since
all the African dangerous game run in packs, herds, or gangs...

So, the Ruger gives you more velocity, which makes it LESS EFFECTIVE, and, reduces magazine capacity. What a wonderful 'improvement' over the 9.3...


An answer to a problem that doesn't exist...

Dr GS

quote:

Originally posted by GS:
epiphany:

[QUOTE] MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER. The 9.3 x 62 gets you enough velocity to drop an elephant, straight penetration, and works, yet it does this at 2400 fps, with a 286 grain bullet. Increasing the velocity DECREASES the effectiveness, and, increases the chance of bullet deformation, diminishing penetration

Isn't it nice that we have the choice with the Ruger to load it as described above, for elephant hunting at close range, but also can load it to higher velocities, for longer ranges on animals like moose and bear!

quote:

The real effect is to decrease accuracy, due to increase in recoil,

Funny, I saw an INCREASE in accuracy as the powder charge went up to about max. As I said above, you can always load them down if recoil is an issue, although the recoil form a 375 Ruger can hardly be considered "punishing"

quote:

and, the Ruger diminishes magazine capacity, something that is a big deal, since
all the African dangerous game run in packs, herds, or gangs...

4 rounds vs 5 (or maybe 6) hasn't ever been an issue to me, I recall only once "emptying" my rifle, and that was due to some poor shooting by me.

Although I suppose given the choice, I'd take more...Even though more is not always better.

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So, the Ruger gives you more velocity, which makes it LESS EFFECTIVE, and, reduces magazine capacity. What a wonderful 'improvement' over the 9.3...

The Ruger is very close to H&H performance. I guess if 375 H&H performance was LESS EFFECTIVE than 9.3, you may have a valid argument, but I think you will find quite a few 375 H&H owners that arent' concerned about it's effectiveness.

And as I said before, flattening out the trajectory wiht some more velocity than the 9.3 can be attractive at times, especially for shots at 300 or more yards.

quote:

An answer to a problem that doesn't exist...

There is one problem that it answers that the 9.3 cannot- The minimum 375 caliber requirmwnts of some countries.

Other than that...well, you coudl say that many cartridges answer non existant questions and get bent out of shape about it, or you could just pick the ones you like to use, and not worry so much about what the other guy is using.

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Not saying all Rugers are inaccurate. I'd like to see you get that group with a Ruger Single Six, a Ruger 45 Colt, Ruger Mini 14, etc. Mini 14 and 30 are often 'minute of elephant' at 100 yards...meaning you can hit anywhere on the elephant...

None of these are bolt action rifles wiht optical sights...The Minis have never been known for accuracy, but have killed a shitload of coyotes and gophers.on ranches all over North America.

I have a 22 New Mdl Single Six, and it's also not a target gun, although it shoots decent enough groups- The limiting factor being the shooter, I suspect. Still, I can hit beer cans, squirrels, mise, rats, and even head shoot grouse wiht mine, which is about what I expect.

I've seen plenty of Ruger 45 Colts turn in really nice groups, too. I've got a Bisley in 45 Colt coming, I'll let you know how it shoots.

quote:

Also, it's likely the first barrels might be pretty good, since they want everyone to think their new caliber works, and, it's accurate.

Doesn't sound logical to re tool and change techniques for barrel making after you've shipped a few thousand rifles- unless there is a problem. Since there doesn't appear to be any problems, I'd think that you are uninformed about this subject.

quote:

Originally posted by Gatehouse:
In a way, I htink the 375 Ruger does indeed answer a quesiton that was asked.


What it does is put an affordable CRF rifle, wiht 375 H&H performance, in the hands of just about any rifleman in North America that wants one.

Rifles in 375 H&H cost twice as much (or more) than the African or Alaskan. 9.3's just aren't popular enough in NA. Does anyone even chamber them in a factory NA rifle? The 375's leave no question of legality if someone was to go to Africa.

You must be getting the 375 ruger for about $400 because you can get a cz550 in 375 H&H as well as 458 and the 416 rigby for just a little over $800 and they are readly available.
By the way, cz also makes 9.3x62s and they are easy to find too.
Show me where I can get a 375 ruger for $400 and I may get it so I can trade it for a 375 H&H. Never having owned a big gun and although I probably will never aford Africa, I have wanted a 375 H&H for a long time now even though I don't need it.