One pound per cartridge in factory-made .375H&H rifle, or couple extra rounds at 20% less performace from 9,3x62. Lets face it 9,3x62 will not be more handy unless you go with long in the tooth German sporter with skimpy stock that seems to fit NO ONE.
Perhaps it's time to consider the Hawkeye?
Don't worry "White Nimrods" I have examined one and it's professional no frills rifle so Ruger can turn them out in good quantity (not much human handling during production cycle so they they turn them out fast if they choose to). You're not going to see that many out there because the market for this caliber just does not equal .223, .308,....but there should be plenty for all interested.

If it is the stock that worries you, throw it off. Get a custom stock to your taste, and already you may have a beauty queen. The heart of the rifle is the action and both the Ruger M77 action and a quality Mauser action will satisfy you. We should not be comparing a vintage model with a newly built model, at least we should be fair in our comparisons. The Ruger African model has nice lines and will surely catch the eye of many. Ruger should actually chamber more calibers in the same style, and then it will emerge which caliber is actually the top seller.

Being in Africa, with component supply problems, we need to go with what is readily available. I opted for a custom built 9,3x62 instead of a factory offering, just because I did not like some of the skimpy things they have done to it, but that has noting to do with the caliber itself. Here is my 9,3x62 and I quess it will have to do for now.





The top one being the 9,3 and the bottom one a 375 H&H.

Warrior

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Being in Africa, with component supply problems, we need to go with what is readily available.

Absolutely.

That 9.3 is easy on the eyes, Warrior. Very nice.

Cheers,
Canuck

Took my 375 Ruger Alaskanto the range yesterday...My old chrono was giving strange readings after being shot (winged) and so I got a new one...

Equipted wiht a new chronograph (thoughtfully provided by Omineca Source For Sports) I went to the range to check some loads for the Mighty 375 Ruger as well as my buddies 300RUM.

. I had lubricated the trigger a bit, so it was a little smoother, but still not my favorite. I'll get to it at some point.

First I shot the factory 270gr, which clocked at 2727,2715,2723 and made this group:



Next up was the 260gr Accubond, I shot groups in the 1-1.25" range with 83, 83.5gr H 4350.

When I got to 84gr, I got a nice .75" group, so made up 3 more rounds and shot this group:



84gr clocked at 2744,2738,2764 fps.

An excellent all purpose hunting load.

I tried some 270gr TSX and got groups around an inch. I wa sgetting near the end of the range session, it was hot and cold beer awaited, so I didn't experiment too much with the TSX, although they have been accurate everywhere I have tried them, and certainly could do better than an inch.

Through this shooting, there were a couple of groups that shot 2 together, and one an inch out, indicating that although already pillar bedded, it coudl do wiht some glass bedding.

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First I shot the factory 270gr, which clocked at 2727,2715,2723 and made this group:

That's a little better, eh? You're actually over the published numbers for the factory load in the 20" barrel by almost 50fps.

I assume no pressure signs on your 84gr H4350 260gr AB load? Thats some pretty good numbers...and minute of elk too, eh?

Very nicely done, Gates. Thanks for the report. Looking forward to hearing how you make out with the TSXs. Midsouth is backordered on dies until the end of the month.

Cheers,
Canuck

No pressure signs whatsoever..I figured that if Hornady gives 83gr for 270 bullet, then 84 should be okay...The bolt flipped open wiht a finger, so...

I didn't measure case head expansion- Maybe I should have...I felt that the velocities wer ein line wiht the factory load, so...

I think you should be safe too. Must feel a lot better knowing your getting the published numbers, eh?

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by Canuck:
I think you should be safe too. Must feel a lot better knowing your getting the published numbers, eh?

Cheers,
Canuck

Sorry Canuck, you must require a pat on the back.

...Thanks for supplying me wiht your espionage supplied Hornady data..

I did no such thing.

I was just recalling your frustration with the numbers your old, shot-to-hell chrony was telling you.

Cheers,
Canuck

Ahh...yes...

When everyone else is getting the velocities and I wasn't, i felt left out...

Guys, I have to confess, that for a time, I wasn´t interested in Big Bores, so I am missing some info:

What is the "PARENT" Case of the .375 Ruger?

IMHO the 9.3 x 62 is the "optimum" to wring out of the Standard Mauser case ( head ), the Gibbs line of cartridges being too extreme: too short a neck, to steep a shoulder, too few body taper to be comfortable ...

The .376 Steyr uses the 9.4 x 64 as a partent case, which is a stroke of genius, as it´s principally the belted magnum case without a belt, so slicker feeding, more rounds in mag and headspaces at shoulder ... only the rebated rim is a mistake, again IMO.

I always wondered, what a .375 ( or 9.5 ) x 68 would shoot like ... bigger case than belted magnum, slick feeding, headspaces off shoulder ...

So: what is the "Parent" case for the .375 Ruger?

( and what´s the "parent" case or "idea" behind the 9.3 x 66 Sako? )

H

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So: what is the "Parent" case for the .375 Ruger?

The short answer is, there isn't one. It was built from "scratch" with a .532 case head.

It is VERY similar to the old Newton case though.


The 9.3x66 Sako looks like it has .473 case head...not sure offhand what brass has that head and that length.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally The short answer is, there isn't one. It was built from "scratch" with a .532 case head.

Cheers,
Canuck

I do understand ... clever idea!!!

What is the lenght of the brass, the finished round seems to be of ´06 lenght?

Thanks, H

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First I shot the factory 270gr, which clocked at 2727,2715,2723 and made this group:

Excuse my ignorance but what makes the 375 Ruger less rifle than the trusty 375 H&H at those speeds ?

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What is the lenght of the brass, the finished round seems to be of ´06 lenght?

The brass is a little longer than the '06... 2.580" vs 2.494".

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by Safari-Hunt:

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First I shot the factory 270gr, which clocked at 2727,2715,2723 and made this group:

Excuse my ignorance but what makes the 375 Ruger less rifle than the trusty 375 H&H at those speeds ?

Don't forget that those velocities are from a 20" barrel too.

In answer to your question, the only reasons that have been expressed, I think, is that the cartridge has some kind of bad juju cuz its "new" (heaven forbid) and maybe it doesn't kill as well because it has less "class". I understand that "class" is one of the most overlooked contributors to cartridge effectiveness.

Now, if only I understood how an inanimate assemblage of brass, copper, lead and gunpowder ends up with "class".....

LOL,
Canuck

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Originally posted by Canuck:

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Originally posted by Safari-Hunt:

Excuse my ignorance but what makes the 375 Ruger less rifle than the trusty 375 H&H at those speeds ?

Don't forget that those velocities are from a 20" barrel too.

Now, if only I understood how an inanimate assemblage of brass, copper, lead and gunpowder ends up with "class".....

LOL,
Canuck

The 375 Ruger is a better cartridge than the old H&H, if balistic speed is all that counts!

IMO, the best thing about the new 375 Ruger, is the rifle it is housed in! That is a nice rifle that is priced right, and is one that is well ballanced, IMO. It has it all for a hunting rifle, good iron sights, and mat finish on the Hawkeye, African, and a lot of stainless steel, and synthetic on the handle for bad weather, for the Alaskan. Again, IMO, that rifle would sell well no matter what the chambering was, as long as it was enough for North America, and even with only the 375Ruger, it will sell like hotcakes in Alaska, and Canada. Most who have been to Africa, and will be going back, most likely already have a well used 375 H&H bolt rifle, and I doubt they will change to the 375Ruger. This rifle will sell to first time hunters going to Africa, but for the old hands, this rifle would sell also to them, if chambered for the 9.3X62, or 9.3X64.

IMO, the draw-back to this cartridge design is the fact that it will be harder to make feed as well as the old long, and tapered 375H&H cartridge, in custom rifles, built on older actions, the basis for a full 90% of the custom bolt DGRs.

Then as Canuck mentioned, there's that thing called "CLASS" that most find so nebulus, as to be hard to define! Regardless of what anyone thinks, the nostalgic factor has sold more rifles than balistics ever will! As long as it kills well, and has some history, people, especially people who hunt Africa will will buy it! The 375 Ruger, has some history to make, but it has a good start,with that very classic rifle it comes in, but only time will tell!

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IMO, the best thing about the new 375 Ruger, is the rifle it is housed in! That is a nice rifle that is priced right, and is one that is well ballanced, IMO. It has it all for a hunting rifle, good iron sights, and mat finish on the Hawkeye, African, and a lot of stainless steel, and synthetic on the handle for bad weather, for the Alaskan. Again, IMO, that rifle would sell well no matter what the chambering was, as long as it was enough for North America, and even with only the 375Ruger, it will sell like hotcakes in Alaska, and Canada.

Agree 100% I'd like to see an Alaskan in 338 Win mag

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Originally posted by Warrior:

That's a nice looking rifle!

Hey New Guy!

Don't you have a photo of an SR30 in 9.3 x 62?

MacD37's response

+1 exactly

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Originally posted by Arminius:

I always wondered, what a .375 ( or 9.5 ) x 68 would shoot like ... bigger case than belted magnum, slick feeding, headspaces off shoulder ...

H

Oh, Sh!$!!!

It´s already been invented:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.375_H%C3%B6lderlin#The_.375_H.C3.B6lderlin


H

I'm not sure why the comparison is being made to the 9.3x62. The 9.3 is a historical oddity, European at that, and will always have its adherents, regardless of what "better" cartridges come along. I actually considered getting one for my Namibian trip later this summer, just because Namibia was once a German colony! I don't put the 9.3 in the same class as the 375s, given the 375 has the legal status in most jursidictions as the minimum dangerous game calibre. As far as the 375s are concerned the 375 Ruger will probably find its niche. I would carry one behind the seat of my pickup in case I am set upon by a rampaging Wooly Mammoth. It won't replace the 375 H&H for the same reason nothing has ever replaced the 30-06. As far as the higher velocity 375s are concerned there will always be those who go for the highest velocity possible and can live with the recoil.

Who the hell am I trying to kid! I crapped all over the 300 WSM until I actually went out and bought one.

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I'm not sure why the comparison is being made to the 9.3x62.

Wooly....for the sole reason of generating interest in another discussion about the 375 Ruger! Sorry.

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Who the hell am I trying to kid! I crapped all over the 300 WSM until I actually went out and bought one.

I personally quite enjoy diversity...I tend not to crap on any cartridge. They all have a place. Hey, you know, I would make a great gunwriter!!!

Cheers,
Canuck

Several weeks ago I picked up a nice older FN actioned 270 Win with the idea of building a 375 Ruger. After reading this thread I guess I'll have a 270 for sale. I already have a 375 H&H and a 376 Steyer. What do I need another cartridge for. I think the 9.3 is the greatest thing since sliced bread anyway. It has killed everything I ever shot with it -and right now.

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The 9.3 is a historical oddity, European at that, and will always have its adherents, regardless of what "better" cartridges come along.

There are some things in life that is very hard to improve on - like a glass of cold Jersey milk. Not even double-thick milkshake can beat it when you are thirsty.

Warrior

I am a little late with everyone here, I am just catching up on a 9.3 x 64 being built and have a action for the 9.3 Mauser, barrel by Lothar and suspect it may take a couple of more yrs for me to get on the bandwagon of the .375 Ruger-go Ruger!

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Originally posted by MacD37:
IMO, the draw-back to this cartridge design is the fact that it will be harder to make feed as well as the old long, and tapered 375H&H cartridge, in custom rifles, built on older actions, the basis for a full 90% of the custom bolt DGRs.

My 375Ruger straight out of the box feeds everything slick as owl schitt. Most everyone else has also reported that their production 375 Rugers feed just as slick. Ruger does nothing special to the feed rails, ramp, mag box or follower. All of those components and/or dimentions seem to mirror that of the standard magnum series. I'm of the opinion that this cartridge inherently feeds well and would probably be easy to make feed well in any standard length semi-custom rifle.

GVA

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Originally posted by GaryVA:

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Originally posted by MacD37:
IMO, the draw-back to this cartridge design is the fact that it will be harder to make feed as well as the old long, and tapered 375H&H cartridge, in custom rifles, built on older actions, the basis for a full 90% of the custom bolt DGRs.

My 375Ruger straight out of the box feeds everything slick as owl schitt. Most everyone else has also reported that their production 375 Rugers feed just as slick. Ruger does nothing special to the feed rails, ramp, mag box or follower. All of those components and/or dimentions seem to mirror that of the standard magnum series. I'm of the opinion that this cartridge inherently feeds well and would probably be easy to make feed well in any standard length semi-custom rifle.

GVA

GaryVA, there is no qiestion the 375 Ruger will feed properly in the new rifle made for it! I think that is a given! However, the cartridges is fat, and short, and is in a very short action in the Hawkeye. The standard length actions like the Mauser 98 action, are the basis for most custom rifles today, and are very sencitive to cartridge shape and length. All I'm saying here is, the custom makers avoiding the cartridge, will have an impact on the popularity of the cartridge, long term! Almost anything can be made to feed in a Mauser action, but some cartridge shapes are harder than others. The old 375 H&H cartridge is so easy to make feed, "EVEN A CAVEMAN CAN DO IT!"

IMHO, which is JUST and ONLY that; the taper of the H&H cases help with nano-second chambering of a second or third rounds, which short and fat does not(as well). It's the same reason all of the WSM and SAUM cartridges have taken over the hunting world... Cartridges with minimum taper and sharp shoulders are fussier about the action bottom cutout and feed ramp. Guys shelling out $4-20K for a custom DG rifle could give a dead rat's butt about the perceived advantages of the 375R Vs the 90+ years history of the Holland & Holland and the 3/8" shorter action. That's about 99.99% between the shooters ears. Recoil of either negates any advantage of a 3/8" shorter bolt throw. The ONLY real world advantage of the 375R is that Ruger will sell them for less money than the 375 in RSM.

Warning: rant coming!
Which, in itself is mostly bull-oney. I have always maintained that charging a premium for a 375 or 505G length action is just screwing the customer. In volume production numbers, there is about two dollars worth of steel, and two minutes on the CNC machine. Barrels are about the same cost, if you make your own; we see that by the cost of custom barrels. Wood blanks do not cost less if they are 1/2" shorter or longer.

Rant complete.

There simply is no reason to buy a 375R, and custom gunbuilders prefer proven, classic designs on classic rifles. It's the same reason nobody builds custom rifle based on Wbee or Harry Lawson stock designs.

Last thought: YES!!! the days of the 9,3x62 ARE numbered...but, it's in the low seven-figure range.

Rich
DRSS

mr "wbee" was best at one thing...marketing. he knew the male ego well.

ok to get the ruger case to feed like hot owl shit and butter...redesign it!

use 404 or rum brass and leave the placement and shoulder dia at .515" for more taper to get at least 30 thou taper. (double what it has)

the "africanized" ruger. use the same reloading dies but a custom reamer and the rebate is up to you if you chose rum or jeffery brass.

the afro-ruger

p.s. then the capacity battle with the h+h would be decisive.

or reduce the shoulder diameter to .500" and get a meager h+h capacity

or drink a few beers and realize it is all for fun since i doubt anyone will get killed because it didnt "feed as slick as hot owl shit"

My Alaskan feeds slicker than goose shit...

Anybody that thinks the 375 Ruger isn't going to feed properly must also think that cartridges like the 300 Winchester dont' feed either.

o.k. what animal makes the slickest shit so i have the most powerful adjctive???

The 375 Ruger is far from "short and fat". You can hardly reasonbly compare it to the friggen WSMs.



Sure its straighter walled than the 375 H&H and has a sharper shoulder, but it is a FAR CRY from the WSMs, RSUAMs, WSSMs, etc, and is FAR more comparable to the 300 Win Mag and its ilk.

I highly doubt feeding would be an issue with this case whatsoever. Much ado about nothing, IMHO....but I will happily defer to any experts on the subject (ie. those that actually do it for a living that have problems making the 375 Ruger feed).

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by boom stick:
o.k. what animal makes the slickest shit so i have the most powerful adjctive???

MHO is whale shit on an ice flow, but then again, if you open it up to all slick substances, one can make a pretty good case for snot on a doorknob.

Cheers,
Canuck

same church, different pew. Regardless, custom gun commissions are for more classic designs...which is why we see lots of 257 Roberts (no improved) and 7x57's. The Ruger may be great; but it may also be as popular as the WSMs and SAUMs. No reports of any at the ACGG shows yet.

Rich
DRSS

Buy what you like, shoot those you don't.

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o.k. what animal makes the slickest shit so i have the most powerful adjctive???

Elephant Seal Schitt is by far the slickest Schitt in North America.



The slickest Scheet in Europe is Putin Scheeetz

How would the whale shit get on the ice flow? And woulnd't it freeze, thereby making it not so slick? THings to ponder...

Also, p[onder this: My 300WSM feeds just as slick as whale shit, goose shit, owl shit or any other shit...It's one of the smoothest feeding rifles I have used, just as smooth or smoother than any 375 H&H I've used....

Canuck,
Thanks for posting the pin up picture.
That 375 Ruger looks good to me amongst those other beauties.
I think I might just get me one of those new fandangle Ruger Rifles.
They will be a lot easier for the ageing nimrod the lug about than one of those heavy Ruger H&H jobs.