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Guys...375 Ruger: 375HH; 9,3x64; 9,3x62; and 376 steyr There ain't more than .009 inches of diameter, 14 grns of bullet, weight and 150 fps difference top to bottom...no practical difference. This is Blondes vs. Redheads, tastes great vs. less filling, and Ginger vs. Maryann Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I don't get all the hooppla about the 375 Ruger. You get about 375 H&H performance and loose less than 1/2 an inch in overall gun length. So what. All Ruger did was find a great way to seperate all you guys from your money with some new flash in the pan. I'll stay with the classics, 9.3s and 375 H&H any day. And best of all I don't have to own a Ruger to do it. | |||
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well canuck, as you so stated "redundant" meaning per Miriam 1a.- exceeding what is necessary or normal. it is apparent  that you need the .375 RUGER. | |||
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Well, while apparently you don't like Ruger rifles, (and Bill Ruger's behavior did justify some animosity) try shooting someones. I swear they kick far less than a 375 H&H. It doesn't make much sense, but, for me, it is much more comfortable to shoot (or, my #1 just didn't fit me too well.) And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. | |||
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Oh come on. Probably 99% of the 9.3x62 owners in the US are AR members! I was sucked into the 9.3x62 from all the buzz here on AR. I doubt any gun shop within a 1000 miles of me has any ammo. But you can buy cases and bullets easily and it is an efficient cartridge. For whatever reason it is increasing in popularity. And what of the 9.3x74R? 2000 miles? So I renege, maybe the 375 Ruger will be vastly popular, at least within the big bore market. A commercial version of the 375 Taylor? ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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The 375 Ruger was allready "invented" some years ago by Sako -9.3x66Sako, its 150fps faster then 9.3x62. 9.3 users could consider this round    | |||
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Pretty much every cartridge conceived since WWII has recieved meager interest. It seems like new cartridges are just a flash in the pan, and will never replace the pre-war standards in popularity. However, there will always be a market for new quality rifles. The Ruger African and Alaskan series looks promising. Just imagine if they had chambered it in 9.3x62 or 9.3x64. | |||
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Okay, I'd have to go with Redheads, tastes great, and Ginger!!! Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Days numbered? Yes, of course. Let's see, as I remember the 9.3x62 first appeared in 1906, so that's about 102 years times 365 = 37,230 or so and still counting. Hopefully there are still some places to hunt in the next century. If so, probably the 9.3x62 will be there ready to go, unless sporting firearms go laser or something. Perhaps they will still have a vintage season. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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Please let me know when the funeral is, so I can bring all my 9.3s for burial!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Don't you know there are NO elk in Africa? and do you work for Ruger or something? I still think we should take over Canada. I love my Avatar Too Fellas. | |||
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Its an "inside" joke I guess. You probably haven't been around long enough to have seen the evolution. Do a search on "African Sheep Rifle" if you really want to try to figure it out. No I don't work for Ruger (or Hornady!)...but yes, I do work for something. Canuck | |||
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I wonder how many would choose a 375 Ruger African or Alaskan if the Winchester M70 safari express or SS/Synthetic was still available? | |||
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in 375 ruger? for the same price? No one... but remember, the winchester was 50% more opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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and, the answer to all those questions is "yes, please, may I have two" opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Agree in general, but was never very impressed with the African Express M70 (its weight was suited to 'heavy' cartridges though). I did really like the ss/synth in 375H&H though. The really nice thing about the Hawkeye is its "trimness". Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Canuck. Great thread. I like the concept of the 375 ruger but I'm not replacing my HH. I would hazard that most new gun buyers looking for something above 300 will look at it. The vast majority of gun buyers are not on this forum. Federal Cartridge sells 90 some % of its ammo each year to a customer that buys 4 boxes or less per year. | |||
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Too often, when a new cartridge is introduced, the various proponents of the older, established cartridges that the new one will be in "competition" with get thier panties in a knot. They view the new cartridge as a "threat" to thier fave, and go over the topics you have outlined above, including "ain't broke" "filling a need that doesn't need filling" and "I already got a XXX so why do I need a XXX2?" What they seem to not understand, is that it's never about how BAD the old cartridge is, it's about how GOOD the new one is!  Like you, I like the 9.3x62 quite a bit, but I don't see why I would buy one over the Ruger. As you point out, in Canada, the 9.3 is virtually non existant. I've only ever seen one at our range, and it is owned by an elderly German man. You've got a 375 Ruger and I have one, so already, the people I know with a Ruger is double the 9.3!!  375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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What will it do that the old 9,3x62 can not? By its look, it will make the owner believe he has a cartridge with more killing power. And be legal "all over". With todays powders and bullets, it surprizes me immensly that the cartridges still get bigger and bigger. Most hunters - maybe not on this forum, but in general - would be far better off with a cartridge that gave a little less recoil. There is nothing worse than a hunter who believes brute power will make up for his lack of shooting abillity. I believe the .375 Hawk would have served the world better. Bent Fossdal Reiso 5685 Uggdal Norway | |||
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There are numerous cartridges that recoil less than a 375H&H/375Ruger that are great for big game. For that matter, many individuals are unable to get beyond the recoil of the cookie cutter 30-06. So for them, your 375Hawk would be way over the top. For those who shoot the 375H&H/375Ruger well, it's not that bad. The recoil is no way near as bad as many spin it to be. There are many small men, women and even little girls (Fern for one) who can shoot the 375H&H well. If one would have difficulty handling the recoil of the 375Ruger, they would probably have difficulty handling the recoil of the H&H. At that point, maybe the 9.3x62 would be their individual max cartridge that they could shoot well. Nothing wrong w/ that. But, that doesn't negate the fact that a bullet launched by the H&H or the Ruger is extremely effective on a wide range of game animals the world over w/out having overly excessive recoil. GVA | |||
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Yes, when this bull dropped on the first shot all I was thinking was this 9.3 must go..  Buff taken at Chewore south with PH Peter Wood. | |||
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I find nothing wrong with the new 375 Ruger cartridge, it is a fine cartridge, that genders the common statement, "An answer to a question not asked!" That may sound like a cliche', but is absolutely true. I think the best thing about the new 375Ruger is the rifles they are chambered in! The African version is a very nicely done classic African rifle, at a fair price almost anyone can afford! If the continue with this rifle, and I think they will,I would like to see it chambered for the 338 Win Mag, 9.3X62, and 9.3X64. That is a rifle I'd buy in a heart beat! I predict the Alaskan will be very popular with Alaskan bear guides, as well as those who venture to Alaska from the lower 48 states, but do not already have a 375 H&H rifle. The rest of the world will still be useing the 375 H&H, for the most part, no matter where they hunt, as their back-up rifle for their big bore. I also predict, that those who have 375H&H rifles will not change simply because the cartridge is new, but stick with the old 1912 senior citizen! As I said, I have no use for another .375 rifle, as I already have three 375 H&H rifles, a FN Mauser, and two Whitworths. The FN, and one Whitworth is in wood, and the other Whitworth, is in a synthetic stock for wet weather in Alaska. However, if that African Ruger was ever chambered for one of the two 9.3s, it would be in my gun safe before sundown!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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Yup. I see too many people at the range with the newest Ãœber-magnum and they can barely hit the target. Those that can handle the recoil and who are also good shots can benefit from the generally flatter trajectory. But those people in reality are few and far between. Just yesterday I saw a gent with a .35 RUM he was building. This man was both big enough and a good enough shot to utilize the cartridge but damn, I think I'd rather not try it, lol. Me, I like pip-squeak cartridges like the 9.3x62 and the even wimpier 9.3x57.  Aut vincere aut mori | |||
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Im with Z1r and Will stick to my 9.3x57 and 9.3x62's even though I think the 375 ruger will find a market with shooters who prefer American rifles and cartridges coupled with a shorter bolt throw and lighter weight than the 375 H&H and in this regard it has merit. Me I'll stick to my CZ's and FN's in those antique chamberings. I had a ruger in 338 once , never again. | |||
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In a way, I htink the 375 Ruger does indeed answer a quesiton that was asked. No, the bullet it fires doesn't do anything that a similar bullet fired form a 9.3 or H&H won't do. What it does is put an affordable CRF rifle, wiht 375 H&H performance, in the hands of just about any rifleman in North America that wants one. Rifles in 375 H&H cost twice as much (or more) than the African or Alaskan. 9.3's just aren't popular enough in NA. Does anyone even chamber them in a factory NA rifle? The 375's leave no question of legality if someone was to go to Africa. I agree with MacD in that the cartridge makes the rifles possible, and the rifles are what make the cartridge great. I was all set to get a 375 H&H or 375-338 or 375 Weatherby built, when the Ruger was announced, then I was goi gto get a 375 Ruger built until they came out wih tthe Alaskan stianless, and I was basiclaly looking at the rifle I was going to have built..And I don't think I am alone, especially wiht Western Canadian and Alaskan hunters! 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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When the .376 Steyr came out there was a lot hype about how it was going to change the world, but it has quickly faded into obscurity. I think the 375 Rooger will be more successful than the 376 Steyr, but I doubt it will supplant either the 9.3 x 62 or 375 H&H. | |||
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The Ruger Hawkeyes in 375R have been available here in Aus for some time but the ammo only became available in the last few weeks. The rifle is very reasonably priced here and it will be interesting to see how it sells. The downside is the cost of factory ammo and no brass is available here as yet. So I would guess it will only start really selling once brass is available. I love my 9.3x62 but I should have a Hawkeye African in the next week or so. Just to try something different! And I like the feel and the way the rifle throws to my shoulder. | |||
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The reason I believe the 376 Steyer faded away was that a major NA manufacturer didn't get behind it and offer it in affordabel rifles- and- it was percieved as being "Weaker" than the H&H. 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Well guys, call me freaky but I am thinking a Ginger/MaryAnn manwich! What not have both... I have a very nice Mike Kizler 9.3x62 built on a VZ 24 action with all the whistles and bells and I am having Randy Weaver build a .375 Ruger for me on a pre-64 action in a HiTech stock all rigged out for cruddy conditions in Africa or Alaska! I never have been able to sort out the blonde/redhead issues so why try only ONE flavor! On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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checked today at the Boise gunshow, five dealers had Norma and PRVI 9,3x62 ammunition on their tables; and there were four rifles for sale. An original Mauser, a 700 Remmie custom, and two CZ's. Nobody, including Cabela's has even seen 375 Rugger rifles or ammunition. Rich DRSS | |||
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Nobody, including Cabela's has even seen 375 Rugger rifles or ammunition. Odd that Cabelas had seen nothing...I got my 375 Alaskan from a small gunshop in Northern BC, and rilfes and ammo are being sold via (much smaller) Canadian versions of Cabelas - Wholesale Sports and Russels Sports... They don't have a HUGE supply of them as of yet, but they have been available and sold 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Hmm, I have a .375H&H on a Rem700. Was going to get a .375 Ruger in left-hand,just for fun. Then a couple of yahoos came up with the .395 and I got caught up in that (should be done within 60-90 days). I still think the .375 Ruger is great, just don't need it now with my others. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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You hit the nail on the head when you said there ain't much difference. What one will do the others will do just as well. Some like new stuff and others choose to stick with the old stuff, thats why there always has been and alway will be new stuff. The fact will always remain that the shooter must do his part right and it matters not much what you use. | |||
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Even us Kentucky hillbillies have broke out with .375 Ruger rifles and ammo galore cluttering our homes and dealers shelves. A chicken in every pot and a .375 Ruger in every home ... all across North America it would seem. | |||
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OZ, I sent you a pm. Dave Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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Frankly, I was somewhat surprised by Hawkeye Africans handling. It's much better then CZ550 9.3x62. Some .375s are heavy (CZ Magnum, Ruger Magnum, Winchester,....) and some are just light like ZCZ actioned 'Whitworth', but this Ruger feels JUST RIGHT to me. Was it just that particular rifle, or does Ruger have a winner here?  I already own .375H&H, but I was standing in front of shop wondering whether I should but it. Big dilemma.  The only thing I would upgrade is the recoil pad. | |||
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IDSharpshooter...you must be getting some very bad intel. If Kentucky, Canada and Australia have them, surely Cabelas must too. And it appears their website concurs....a screenshot from this morning....and they're even available.  Cheers, Canuck | |||
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I did walk out with last pack (again  ) of Hornadys 270gr 'Heavy Mag' ammo, but I had to make sure it was .375H&H since there were packs of .376Steyr, and .375Ruger near it! If true Vo @ 2870fps out of 24"? barrel is quite impressive. Is Hornady going to keep loading this stuff now that Hornady-Ruger is available? PS. The tag on the 'African' was $969 or $959.  | |||
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You are spot on, Gates. For those that couldn't get past my thread title (which was admitted in the first line of my first post on this thread to be purposely "attention getting"), I'll reiterate....I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the 9.3x62, just that this new Ruger is wonderfully versatile and can fill the same niche and more. The only legit arguments (unless the "nostalgia rules, progress drools argument is considered legit....so lets make that 'technically legit') so far is the recoil one and the extra round down. The 375 Ruger is going to recoil just like the H&H. If that's outside your comfort zone then there is a good case for the 9.3x62. I still believe that if this is a common sentiment however, someone like Hornady will come up with "lite-loads" that will more closely match the 9.3x62 (should still be a good killer, like the 9.3x62 eh?). As nice as extra mag capacity is, I don't think the extra round down is a critical decision making factor for the vast majority of the group of shooters that might want to move into the 9.3/375 class of rifle. Heck, how many safari-goers actually pack push-feed actions?? Tonnes based on the reports I read. Seems like not everyone reads AR. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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