Well one thing is for sure, this gets jeffe off the hook to create smaller bore carts!

And, if this cartridge gets off the ground, think of the potential with .411 and .416 bullets.

Garrett

yup...the 411 would be cool, 180 gr barnes xpb's all the way to woodleighs 400 grainers. so just a guess but the 400 gr woodleighs could run about 2250-2300fps? 180's @ 2900fps? a damn fine all arounder a tad better than the 411 kdf. but most would want the 416 and 423 and get old school velocities and be happy as a non rebated non belted clam.

Jeez- you can get 180's to 2900 with an underloaded 300. I'm betting 235's in that range...

I just got off the phone with Ruger Firearms Sales 203-256-3860, and they will not release any info. Their reasoning is that they are a publicly owned company and can't release any info until the official press release. She said to check back in about 3 weeks.

I called her and told her that tree weeks had passed.
She called me a smart ass! Imagine that.....

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Originally posted by .366torque:
I just got off the phone with Ruger Firearms Sales 203-256-3860, and they will not release any info. Their reasoning is that they are a publicly owned company and can't release any info until the official press release. She said to check back in about 3 weeks.

essentially confirming that this is real.

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
I called her and told her that tree weeks had passed.
She called me a smart ass! Imagine that.....

so the anouncement comes in three weeks, when will ammo and guns hit the shelves?

how long was it from the time the lever revolution ammmo and xlr rifles were announced and when they were avaliable?

anyone gunna buy ruger stock???

Id buy Ruger stock just because they are the best managed and run American Gun company we have. IMHO.

Ruger has GOT to be loving the phone calls over this - it can only help them crank up the production of it.

Not like a software company that floats an idea to see if there is interest and then decides to program the product or not.

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Ruger has GOT to be loving the phone calls over this

I see Hornady benefitting more than Ruger. They'll make more in sales of brass and dies and loaded ammo than Ruger will selling a few M77s

There must be a very large number of standard mag actions just waiting for this retrofit and a lot of milsurp mausers as well as springfields and standard magazine enfields.

who is going to get one???

the lady wernt too nice bent must have pissed her off. she said they dont do group buys

for me it fills the huge gap in my battery. it could be my new allrounder (shhhh! dont tell my 06!) 235 tsx's for up to deer 300 gr northforks for elk to bear and 350 gr woodleighs for anything bigger but i think i would baptize my 470 a.r. for that.

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Originally posted by duikerman:

There must be a very large number of standard mag actions just waiting for this retrofit and a lot of milsurp mausers as well as springfields and standard magazine enfields.

EXACTLY

http://weaponsmith.com/AR-rounds1.html

Springfield in 416 AR on the left, Ruger in 470 AR on right

so by the looks of the recon pic it looks like hornady will load a 270 gr spire point and 300 gr. roundnose interbond

jeffe...

for the record the medium bore a.r.'s will be much better (especialy the 35 )

ruger must have a spy here...o.k. who is it...vap?

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Originally posted by duikerman:
There must be a very large number of standard mag actions just waiting for this retrofit and a lot of milsurp mausers as well as springfields and standard magazine enfields.

I have a 7 mag that is going to have the barrel off as soon as I hear that a 404, 411 or 416 is being made. (I want the factory spec chamber)

i dont think ruger will make the 411, 416 or 423 unfortunately...i think it will be strictly a wildcat. i dont think they will feel comfortable with a marginal shoulder with no belt to headspace off. reamers will float around about a month after it comes out i suspect...

fred zeglin...where are you? someone put up the wildcatting batsignal...

Yep - Hornady will do ok but I bet the majority of sales will go to people who may not have 13 rifles in the house or to someone who will spend the loot to have the mauser or pre 64 done up. You say 375 RUGER and guess where they look for a rifle first? The last name they heard Ruger.

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Originally posted by Loonie:
Id buy Ruger stock just because they are the best managed and run American Gun company we have. IMHO.

And at the rate we're going might be the last large American gun company

so what will the rugercats be named?

416 ruger?
416 rugercat?
416-375 ruger?

and what will be the best medium and small bore on this case???

6.5 rugercat? man that would be a screamer good flat shoot'n for big horn sheep

510 - you may be right. As I understand it Ruger carries NO long term debt and they have outside business. They cast almost all of the Ti golf club heads sold in the US regardless of brand. I see no one trying to ban golf (altho a golf course is a waste of a good rifle range).

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Originally posted by Fjold:

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Originally posted by duikerman:
There must be a very large number of standard mag actions just waiting for this retrofit and a lot of milsurp mausers as well as springfields and standard magazine enfields.

I have a 7 mag that is going to have the barrel off as soon as I hear that a 404, 411 or 416 is being made. (I want the factory spec chamber)

Llet there be enough 416 ARs running around and it will be!

The charm with this new baby is its factory status. As a new wilcat-mother i find it not very interesting - the AR rounds are as good as they gets in that niche.

I need one to shoot off a couple of boxes of 235 gr speer bullets I have

hornady is loading the steyr 270 gr spire point @ 2600 fps...queation is does that mean the 375 ruger will be 2700??? 300gr @ 2600???

Phoned Hornady too late! ( had to mow the lawn)
and there email posts the statement "Due to high inquiryvolume, response times may be delayed"

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
As a new wilcat-mother i find it not very interesting - the AR rounds are as good as they gets in that niche.

Yep, if CZ, Ruger or someone similar would adopt them, pretty sure they would be tamed easily. Heck even if Remington was smart enough to tame them, I could buy a pushfeed, maybe.

Or maybe Sako, couldn't help but notice they are seriously lacking in the bigbore department. They also posses a control round push feed.

OOOOppss! Forgot to mention that Hornadies no. is 1-800-338-3220 fax is 308-382-5761
and e-mail is webmaster@hornady.com

news alert...

prof 242 has some unconfirmed intel that the casehead is based on the belt not the body. that would make it .532 and not 512 as thought. this would make it a completely new case with more volume. even at 2.5" it would be at least 90 grains of water capacity from my estimates.

good news for wildcating with extra shoulder to work with. this means even the 458 could be done and split the diff between the lott and win mag if true. lets hope it is.

funny thing is before i read prof242's post i called fred zeglin to see if he knew and maybe get more details and he thought it might be off the belt dia. too.

he is meeting with some "in the know" people soon so more details will be forthcoming.

this has been an a.r. news alert. we will resume pissing, moaning, bragging and all regular brovado

With a .532 base and normal body taper they probably have enough shoulder for a 416.

not to add another float to the fantasy parade, but a friend at Hornady asked me for a couple of 6.5X68S cases two years ago when he saw the long range live varmint wildcat I had built using this case blown out and sharp-shouldered and necked to take 25 caliber bullets. Do the math...it has a big brother called the 8x68S. Case diameter at base is .520", length is 2.65". I went thru this wildcatting stage, about a dozen wildcats in eighteen months. From a 22-378Wby case Ackley-ized to a 2.5" 6-284 to a 22-284, to the 257, to a 9.5x74R for an african legal double barrel rifle that Searcy built, and a couple more.

Rich

Rich,
x68? a 376 steyr long?

Hey Boom Stick! Seriously, thanks for posting the info here. If a case gets "lost" and somehow finds its way into my mailbox, I'll record the dimensions and post it.
However, this might not happen considering the tightness currently surrounding the Hornady plant... about like male sphincters after watching the movie "Deliverance."
But (ooh, maybe I shouldn't have used that word), I want one.

the .376 Streyr uses the 9,3x64 brass ,not the 8x68S case.

this might give us some idea of what it will look like.

so there is probably a %5 diff between the dakota and ruger...if rumor holds that aint shabby. the dakota is 98 grains of water so the ruger might be a tad over 90 hats off to ruger/hornady if this is true. this is the most logical practical modern case to come out in a hundred years

prof 242...do you have any incriminating photos of yer friend at hornady???

if you get a case in the mail, try to get 2 so you could cross section it

put on yer tinfoil hats! ruger has its black helicopters after us!...the link on the recon photo has disapeared...coincidence...i think not. damn i should have saved it to my computer

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Originally posted by boom stick:
put on yer tinfoil hats! ruger has its black helicopters after us!...the link on the recon photo has disapeared...coincidence...i think not. damn i should have saved it to my computer

possibly DRG has it on backup disc?

o.k. its safe to take off your tinfoil hats now...the pics resurfaced...whew!