scratch the 375 AR, guys... nice looking round.. like a shrunk 416 AR
jeffe

is there still hope for the 35???

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
If the new one is .532 at rim and base, mag. capasity should be the same as the belted ones....

..... as the belted are .511 at the body.

Exactly, which means that the new one will have the same dia. at base, as the dia. on belt on the belted ones. If anything, a wider shoulder, but mag. capasity should still be the same.

OK now I understand the misunderstanding!
I was thinking of the case being the width of the belt and you with the belt turned off.

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Originally posted by boom stick:




o.k. its safe to take off your tinfoil hats now...the pics resurfaced...whew!

Soon as I get my hands on them, they're morphing into a .366 Torque!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by boom stick:

Looks like the unique new case is on the way, .532" rim and .532" beltless head diameter.

I am all RIP'ed out with the Lapua and Mbogo RIPoffs so guess I will just get in line for the factory .375 Ruger for old times' sake.

I started my rifle loonery with a Ruger M77 tang-safetied rifle in .30-06, NIB 30 years ago.

The rifle loonery continues. Nostalgia of the Ruger Baby Boomers.

Also a good excuse to rebarrel my FN Mauser .375/.338 WinMag. The new reamer might even clean up the chamber of the existing 21.5" barrel, to be redesignated for the new headstamp.

I ought to be able to use a .375 Ruger M77MkII stainless synthetic to my dying days ... for anything: buffalo rifle, lion medicine, elephant gun, walking stick, canoe paddle, wheelchair chock.

Besides delivering the gentle efficacy of a .375 H&H in a slick way, think how resistant it will be to weather, to adverse conditions and rough handling, such as corrosion from my incontinent bowels, bladder, and splashes from my drool bucket when I touch off a round in my declining years.

Yes, this sounds like a great round to grow old with.

My personal collection holds more Rugers than any other make. Guess it always will. My only gripe with them is the RSM has no recoil lug on the action. The King has no clothes! No problems with the standard M77MKII at all.

Go Ruger!

Thanks Hornady!

it is too surreal that everyone loves this cart...my statement could be true

"hats off to ruger/hornady if this is true. this is the most logical practical modern case to come out in a hundred years"

yes it is a 9,3x64/35 newton coppy... it seems to have little if no rebate, no belt, if it is the .532 casehead more than enough power at acceptable preasure in a readily avaliable not expensive action with common useful dimensions in a caliber that is highly versitile...is the world about to end? is jesus comming back? (give us enough time to have some fun with it first please)

Sign me up for an All-Weather! I've got a SS Ruger M77MkII .223 that I run my marine trapline with and who knows how many gallons of salt spray, rain, blood, sweat, toil, tears, spruce pitch, rocks, moss, volcanic ash, glacial silt, mink pi$$, otter guts, and wolverine $hit it's seen?? Standard cleaning procedure is to hold it in the shower with the tap as hot as it will go. Hit it with an airhose and a bit of WarDog40 next and it's ready for the next run. No problems yet 'cept a .223 it a bit light for the occasional bruin.

If I had to eqiup an army with a bolt gun from the choices today, no question it would be a SS Ruger 77.

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Originally posted by PWS:
If I had to eqiup an army with a bolt gun from the choices today, no question it would be a SS Ruger 77.

However,
My solid enthusiasm for the .375 Ruger will totally sublimate if it does not turn out to have a .532" diameter rim and a .532" beltless head diameter.

awe shucks rip...even if its 512 it will still do the same thing just more preasure...i am rooting for 532 but it is too late to steer this ship now. i will be happy if it is 512. if it is 532 i will be sub orgasmic. rip...if it aint 532 we could neck up 9,3x64 in protest... "always look on the bright side of life" doo doot de doot de doot de doot

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Originally posted by boom stick:
i dont think ruger will make the 411, 416 or 423 unfortunately...i think it will be strictly a wildcat. i dont think they will feel comfortable with a marginal shoulder with no belt to headspace off.

fred zeglin...where are you? someone put up the wildcatting batsignal...

Bat signal received!

Looks like an interesting cartridge I will see what I can find out about dimensions. If this works like the 338 Federal did reamers and drawings may not become available until long after the announcement.

We can certainly wildcat it anyway you guys want. Nothing like a new case to make wildcatting fun again!

thanks for chimming if fred...

who is going to place an order???

how about naming the wildcats "american"

"416 american", "35 american" ect...

Nawww - the wildcat needs a cocky name like:

416 DRT (dead right there) or the 35 Bang Flop.

we americans pride ourselves in being cocky...already implied

Ok - how about the 416 FTW (F*ck The World)?

that might cross the line from being cocky to being a d1@K...i say "AMERICAN" all caps to imply shouting with pride

Nice!!

SS mark II with sights for me.

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
If the new one is .532 at rim and base, mag. capasity should be the same as the belted ones....

..... as the belted are .511 at the body.

Exactly, which means that the new one will have the same dia. at base, as the dia. on belt on the belted ones. If anything, a wider shoulder, but mag. capasity should still be the same.

OK now I understand the misunderstanding!
I was thinking of the case being the width of the belt and you with the belt turned off.

On the contrary,!
But, I think, when I wrote magazine capasity, you read case capasity?
Should we callthe lady at Ruger, maybe she can tell who is right?

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
If the new one is .532 at rim and base, mag. capasity should be the same as the belted ones....

..... as the belted are .511 at the body.

Exactly, which means that the new one will have the same dia. at base, as the dia. on belt on the belted ones. If anything, a wider shoulder, but mag. capasity should still be the same.

OK now I understand the misunderstanding!
I was thinking of the case being the width of the belt and you with the belt turned off.

On the contrary,!
But, I think, when I wrote magazine capasity, you read case capasity?
Should we callthe lady at Ruger, maybe she can tell who is right?

Yep I shoulda read better!

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:

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Originally posted by .366torque:

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Originally posted by Bent Fossdal:
If the new one is .532 at rim and base, mag. capasity should be the same as the belted ones....

o.k. no more quoting...

Exactly, which means that the new one will have the same dia. at base, as the dia. on belt on the belted ones. If anything, a wider shoulder, but mag. capasity should still be the same.

OK now I understand the misunderstanding!
I was thinking of the case being the width of the belt and you with the belt turned off.

On the contrary,!
But, I think, when I wrote magazine capasity, you read case capasity?
Should we callthe lady at Ruger, maybe she can tell who is right?

Yep I shoulda read better!

o.k. no more quoting...

can y'all use yer inside sources to confirm the casehead diameter...i think that is the biggest question on the table 511 or 532???

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
scratch the 375 AR, guys... nice looking round.. like a shrunk 416 AR
jeffe

Here is a pic somebody posted on another site listed as the 375 ruger
scroll down about halfway

"This cartridge is very exciting," said Holt, "it has a 30-06 length case, but its not a 30-06 case. You're getting more performance out of a 20-inch barrel with .375 Ruger than what you'd get with a .375 H&H out of a 24-inch barrel."



this pic tells me the rim and casehead are the same dia...

well, i am f#@$%!ing impressed

too bad we have to wait till 07'

what say the peanut gallery???

375 dakota balistics

for comparison...

so this means 235 gr tsx's @ 3000 fps i guess...poor groundhogs wont know what hit'em

They just had to. 'Cause bigger is better.
I still think this cart would have sold better if it had been a .375x64 with equal ballistics to the old H&H. Mild, easy to shoot, cheep, "enough gun". If that close to the RUM, why not get a Remington? 98% of the buyers don't know the difference between CRF an PF anyway.

HM....ah, wait and see..................

Just saw Steve Hornady useing the 375 Ruger on Cape buffalo last night on Tracks Across Afrika with Boddington.

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If that close to the RUM, why not get a Remington?

You got to be kidding.....right?

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98% of the buyers don't know the difference between CRF an PF anyway.

Maybe true.....but 98% of the buyers don't buy .375s either. The ones that do buy them do know the difference.

BTW I think we have now confirmed the case head at .532 diameter.

Well I will wait and see what happens with this. Stated ballistics for a new cartridge are often on the optomistic side when checked later. We have seen this again and again.....not saying it ain't so, just being cautious and will wait and see.

I won't be dumping my old tried and true H&H any time soon.

Honestly there has been so much hoopla the last few years with all these reems of new cartridges that I just sit back and shake my head. I use to change rifles and cartidges at a rapid pace trying all the newest and lates, but as the years have gone by and my field experience has accumulated I find myself being drawn back more and more to many of the old tried and true, consistant performers.

New bullets and new powders have made many of the old war horses perform in ways we never thought possible years ago.

It is a good thing so many of you get horribly excited about these things and are standing in line to buy.....that is what keeps the few gun companies alive.

Me......I much prefered the old Rugers, don't care much for the new ones. If this cartridge pans out and I did decide to trade in the old .375 it would be for a custom barreled job on an action of my choice, not a factory Ruger. Just my personal opinion.....doesn't require any rebuttal. Each to their own.

Seems to be as hoped.
.532" rim and beltless head diameter seems to be assured.
Thanks to all for the reporting.

And Craig Boddington has already used it in AFRICA to take a hippo and a couple of WATER BUFFALO, according to the type.

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Originally posted by RIP:


And Craig Boddington has already used it in AFRICA to take a hippo and a couple of WATER BUFFALO, according to the type.

What zoo do you suppose they were hunting water bufalo in?

Probably just dumbing down the type to the expected mass audience IQ level.

so rip...is mans best friend a dog and a m77 stuffed with 375 rugers?

wouldnt you be able to load down to 2300 fps without sacrificing accuracy for powder fuff loads?

it seems that this IS the cart we had all hoped for...i am in giddy disbelief.

the only question left is WHAT RIG WILL YOU BUY OR MAKE FOR IT???

the std stainless ruger synthetic for me please!
3 leaf folding sights...
4-9x50 leup.

being a .532 it will have a significant increase over the 416 taylor...400@2400 without excessive preasure. i would not be surprised if ruger hornady came out with it themselves.

so who is going to make a 423, 416 or 411 ruger?

I've been just sitting back reading this thread and only ONE thing bothers me. OVERALL LENGTH.

I appreciate the Mark II Ruger's design. However, while loading for a fella's .270 Ruger, I ran into a problem seating the bullet out far enough for better accuracy. Hopefully they will use the standard action, but add the RSM magazine box like they did in Rifle Magazine.

I will be curious how much better the new .375 Ruger REALLY compares to the .375 RUM.

woodssracer...

ruger probably has done their homework on this one...

the inside case i am sure is strong enough to handle high preasure like the rum but yes it is no rum. it will have the ability to go beyond factory 357 H+H loadings but ruger is trying to make a statement that it is no pansy clone. also hornady i am sure is using their "light magnum" practices with the loads.

Nice comparisons but you forgot to compare the Hornady high energy ammo 375H&H 270 gr. sp 2870 FPS they also load the 300 IB and 300 FMJ at 2705 . There are at least two other companies out there giving you velocitys close to hornadys.

good point but the benchmark for everyone is 300@ 2500 with moderate preasure which it seems it will do. a 50fps diff @ 2700 will not bother anyone

Lfaler,
Thanks for pointing the way.

Boom stick,
Thank you for the reporting and the enthusiasm that I share for this cartridge. You got the energy graph for the 270 grainers posted twice, instaed of the trajectory graph. Might want to fix that typo to cheer this on.

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Originally posted by boom stick:
so rip...is mans best friend a dog and a m77 stuffed with 375 rugers?

Yes.

wouldnt you be able to load down to 2300 fps without sacrificing accuracy for powder fuff loads?

Yes. Max loads will be slightly compressed H4350 and H4831SC loadings. Just use full cases of slower powders for slower loads.

it seems that this IS the cart we had all hoped for...i am in giddy disbelief.



the only question left is WHAT RIG WILL YOU BUY OR MAKE FOR IT???

the std stainless ruger synthetic for me please!
3 leaf folding sights...
4-9x50 leup.

I'll take one each of whatever Ruger decides to make. Customizing would be easy. Rebarreling a Ruger 7mmRM and an FN Mauser .375/.338WinMag would be naturals too.


being a .532 it will have a significant increase over the 416 taylor...400@2400 without excessive preasure. i would not be surprised if ruger hornady came out with it themselves.

I'll settle for the .375 Ruger in Hornady brass for now.

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t seems that this IS the cart we had all hoped for...

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the only question left is WHAT RIG WILL YOU BUY OR MAKE FOR IT???

I'll be sticking one in a VZ-24 just as soon as I can get a reamer.

I also have a M-70 crf classic action (formerly in .338 Win Mag) that needs a barrel as well.

Hopefully the throat will be:

.3700" parallel-sided freebore
.3755" minimum to .3760" maximum freebore diameter (gotta give a little slop tolerance: +.0005", -.0000)
1.5 degree leade

If they are doing that, it is no surprise it performs so closely to the .375 RUM at equal pressure.

That will also allow single shot loading into the chamber of 3.600" COL if a bullet is long enough, no matter the box length.

I want no part of Heavy Magnum loads in the .375 H&H: compressed heavily, can't duplicate with handloading, don't deliver all that is claimed, not as accurate as standard handloads, etc.

The .375 Ruger will not require any Voo Doo loading, especially if it has the right throat: like the 2001 .375 Weatherby.

thanks for the heads up on my typos...damn! my enthusiasm is exceeded almost everything

the problem was the same link was posted twice...blame guns and ammo...someone might want to give them a heads up and the link will correct itself. thanks rip

i predict the 375 ruger will be the "9,3x62" for the next century. there seems to be no flies on it except nostalgia (bullet diameter excluded)

o.k. lets start the "what is the best/ideal/most practical 2,3,4 and 5 gun battery threads!