quote:

Originally posted by .366torque:
If it's not too late how about a $100 (US greenbacks) to be donated in March. money will be sent to el jeffe.
I'd like to see this thing fly. please meet or beat.
A AR based .395 BS

wait a minute..

what did i just get volunterred for?

Rich,
Marc is a truely good guy... upstanding, smart, nice, and pretty darn cool.



jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
wait a minute..

what did i just get volunterred for?
jeffe

Sorry jeffe, shoulda asked you first.
OK so we need a banker for this, any takers?

Geez!
I donated the "air cartridge" dibbs rights to boomstick for the .395 Ripper (.395/.375 Ruger), and look what happens!

An AR group project!

Gentlemen, we have just one thing that needs to be taken care of FIRST to make this a reality: Barrels.

The rest will happen when a proper barrel maker is lined up.

Groove diameter is 0.3950", right?

What is the best bore diameter?

6-groove?

Twist? I vote 1:10".

366,
i've kind of done my PS (public service) already..


One would think I am a slow learner!!

I'll make up some dummies, and kick in a couple bucks, but I really don't want to be a principal in the administration, please

call les bauska and ask him about barrel, buttons, tooling, etc... be prepared to wait SIX months for the first barrel, at least. as for twist, take what you like, as ya'll are ordering it.

speaking of which, let us know when you get in touch with them?

jeffe

Jeffe,

Marc is likely all of that, he just wanted to make a little wager on the 395 Boomie ever getting off of the ground. I am just trying to take him up on his challenge...that's all.

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Jeffe,

Marc is likely all of that, he just wanted to make a little wager on the 395 Boomie ever getting off of the ground. I am just trying to take him up on his challenge...that's all.

Rich

Please let it go, Rich.
We don't need the antagonistic-punctuating posts to pollute this thread.

Over and out, again.

hey guys, I am telling you, more power to you... take it, run with it, and make the second new bore for the century!!!

though I am unlikely to ever buy/build one, I'll kick in, community spirit and all that... I think it's an interesting idea, if not my cup of tea, but I am there with you on the money part.

where do I send a check, as you will find the makers are more eager to work with you with cash in hand

jeffe

Here's a deal, consider overnight and post in the morning if you want in:

I talked with a gentleman that rebores barrels. Cut-rifled, whatever dimensions we agree upon here.
One thing, NO stinking fast twists!!! Do you hear me RIP????????

I propose a 1:14" twist and .386"x.396" bore and groove dimensions. I suggest a 26" barrel to run cylindrical for two inches from the receiver front then taper to .850" two inches down and then straight taper to .750" at the muzzle. I also like the idea of a 396AR, and suggest that case, 2.65" oal. I will try to get things rolling at NEI for a pair of moulds, to cast 330 gr and 400gr gaschecked bullets that drop from the mould at .397" I am certain that the .400" 38-40 gaschecks will crimp on perfectly.

What else is there at this point?

Last, who holds the $$$ and disperses the funds as needed...?

regards,

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Here's a deal, consider overnight and post in the morning if you want in:

I talked with a gentleman that rebores barrels. Cut-rifled, whatever dimensions we agree upon here.
One thing, NO stinking fast twists!!! Do you hear me RIP????????

I propose a 1:14" twist and .386"x.396" bore and groove dimensions. I suggest a 26" barrel to run cylindrical for two inches from the receiver front then taper to .850" two inches down and then straight taper to .750" at the muzzle. I also like the idea of a 396AR, and suggest that case, 2.65" oal. I will try to get things rolling at NEI for a pair of moulds, to cast 330 gr and 400gr gaschecked bullets that drop from the mould at .397" I am certain that the .400" 38-40 gaschecks will crimp on perfectly.

What else is there at this point?

Last, who holds the $$$ and disperses the funds as needed...?

regards,

Rich

I like that, especially leaving it cylindrical around the cart.

Seems as boom dreamed it, how about he can be banker?

dang...gone a few hours and all lots happens...

rip has a good point as far as we need to get the barrel thing started.

rich, if we do 395 bore it will be the best for ripping off already avaliable headstamped brass. i was a little confused by yer barrel post (sorry)

regarding twist. touchy subject i know. the 1 in 14 will help with the cast bullets but it will have a problem going over 2400 fps and since the .3 s.d. bullet will weigh 330 grains up to 2600 fps will be a goal with non cast bullets. i know rip wants 1 in 10. can we settle on 1 in 12...please...for the sake of the project or if we can do multiple barrels. we can have a 1 in 10 1 in 12 and 1 in 14 and fight over which is better after they are made.

i vote rich be the money man or vapo...if my wife sees money she's bound to want to spend it. plus you guys probably will do better at negotiating since you have more experience and i would get taken advantage of i am sure like a blonde at the mechanic.

i am happy to see people here pitching in time, experience, skills, money and ideas or just encouragement.

rip. just an idea but what about 395-06 being called the AMERICAN,
the ruger version named the 395 alaskan
the lapua called the 398 r.i.p.a. (rip african)

i am sure we will need at least two barrels if not three and any more that want to chime in. once we have the tooling the barrels are not too expensive.

vapo...can you squish down some 411 bullets for the dummies???

jeffe, can you get some solids???

rich, will you be the money man???

rip, can we do more than one twist???

this is exciting... as jeffe said the second new bore in a hundred years (whats the other?)

thanks again, now lets keep our eyes on the prize

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I will try to get things rolling at NEI for a pair of moulds, to cast 330 gr and 400gr gaschecked bullets that drop from the mould at .397" I am certain that the .400" 38-40 gaschecks will crimp on perfectly.

those 400 grainers will be quite the penetrator at .364 s.d. are you thinking wide flat nose???

quote:

I'll kick in, community spirit and all that... I think it's an interesting idea, if not my cup of tea, but I am there with you on the money part.

thanks jeffe

I don,t want to make any one mad ,,, But why in the world would you want a tang safty Ruger .............I,ve had a fair gob of Rugers and the 77 MK 2 is THE action........I wouldn,t own a 550 CZ if Ruger just made a long action ,,, 1600 $ is not an action its an expense...Ive found nearly new 77 2,s ss for under 400$...... I,m not even remotely interested in the round on the old action,,,,,,,I,m Not going to go off about the one thing Elmer didn,t have complete information on........no I,m not going to start ranting... Idaho , Please explain why you indicated the old style Ruger .....Your humble servant, gumboot out...

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
this is exciting... as jeffe said the second new bore in a hundred years (whats the other?)

ah, boomy...

three guesses, and it's ON my website...

neal's .550 (.550 groove, .540bore)


i'll turn a couple solids, and turn a couple cases

email the drawing

Gumboot,
ruger makes a "long" action... you can take a 77, and with the right mag box and a mill, make it feed 458 lotts PERFECTLY... about a 4 to 6 hour job.

jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by gumboot458:
I don,t want to make any one mad ,,, But why in the world would you want a tang safty Ruger .............I,ve had a fair gob of Rugers and the 77 MK 2 is THE action........I wouldn,t own a 550 CZ if Ruger just made a long action ,,, 1600 $ is not an action its an expense...Ive found nearly new 77 2,s ss for under 400$...... I,m not even remotely interested in the round on the old action,,,,,,,I,m Not going to go off about the one thing Elmer didn,t have complete information on........no I,m not going to start ranting... Idaho , Please explain why you indicated the old style Ruger .....Your humble servant, gumboot out...

Because otherwise it would not be a Bubba gun!

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
this is exciting... as jeffe said the second new bore in a hundred years (whats the other?)

ah, boomy...

three guesses, and it's ON my website...

neal's .550 (.550 groove, .540bore)


i'll turn a couple solids, and turn a couple cases

email the drawing

Gumboot,
ruger makes a "long" action... you can take a 77, and with the right mag box and a mill, make it feed 458 lotts PERFECTLY... about a 4 to 6 hour job.

jeffe

I would advise you guys to take a look at Cartridges of the World. 2nd new bore in 100 years???

Ever hear of

14 calhoun
17 remington
19 calhoun
204 ruger
270 winchester
.375 H&H (1912)
700 NE

and others!

Gumboot,

because the safety is under my thumb, not an inch away where I have to take my finger out of the trigger guard bow to flip it with my thumb...have small(er) hands than some others. Said rifle would also have a stock, and be functional at that point. I am open to other thoughts.

Here's an option: I have a brand-ass new Santa Barbara standard length magnum action. Already has the mag boltface and magazine box dimensions are good, drilled and tapped,, adjustable trigger, 3.4" I think magazine box, floorplate release in the trigger guard bow, side lever safety. Just needs built on.

The Boom Stick coalition can buy this really, really dirt cheap. How cheap, you ask? You gentlemen raise $500 by January 10th...it's only $250. and remember it's complete and ready to go to Marc_Stokeld's shop to begin its' transformation. You raise $750...it's $125. Keep going...the AR forum raises $1000 or more...which should cover the entire cost...I donate the action as my part of the deal.

If nobody else wants the job I will also broker the deal; order the barrel and misc parts, and hold the $$$ in an account that you all can monitor on the specific thread we will start. Using this action also means we have to buy a stock...more $$$ involved, so get off yer dimes...

How does this sound to you all?

"SHOW ME THE MONEY...".

Those wishing to participate PM me and I will let you where to send the $$$. Or somebody else volunteer for the job.

regards,

Rich

I want twenty-five people to pony up and get this show on the road!!!

rich...that is an awesome offer i will be good for $50 maybe $100, depends on christmas... but i know i can do $50 thanks rich! p.m. sent

quote:

Ever hear of

14 calhoun
17 remington
19 calhoun
204 ruger
270 winchester
.375 H&H (1912)
700 NE

alright but this is the only one i will shoot

rich...who would own it? would we auction it on a.r.?

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
rich...who would own it? would we auction it on a.r.?

Boom Stick....this is important.....It must be stated what the ownership will be and as far as I'm concerned an auction is what is best.....the proceeds to be returned to volunteers and contributors....or given to the Searcy fund on the gunsmithing forum

i agree...but if rich is being so generous in his offer i think he has a significant say in this thus the question. i like the charity idea...either that one or maybe a fallen soldiers fund or care packs to the troops. it also would be great to send it with someone to africa.

one issue i would like to iron out...what parent case??? i would like to see it on a readily avaliable brass you can neck up...i am good with the ruger since it will take at least 2 months to get a custom barrel or three done. what say you guys??? jeffe, you are doing the drawings what say you???

my thoughts on what to do with the rifle...I am okay giving it to Boomer. It was his idea, and he needs to be rewarded somehow.

Option B: I get to do the initial testing, since I would like to do an article on this new Big Dog. Then Boomie
gets to play with it for awhile, since it was his idea. Then we auction it here for some worthy cause.

I am also stumping here and now for the .375/.395 Ruger case. It fits in a standard magnum action, the case will fit the SB action with a little work, which our friend Marc_Stokeld has volunteered to do in handling the metalwork. We take a dremel tool and it is easy to turn the "7" in 375 into a "9". Case length 2.55"-2.65".

Post here and voice your opinion...along with a check!

Rich

all of those options are great with me

i would love to have the rifle but whatever gets it off the ground. we can work on others after the first one...

jeffe...the new bore will add notoriety to yer a.r. carts

vapo will be happy with the 375 a.r.

the 2.65" (almost .2" longer and .018" fatter) will exceed the ruger by 10% case volume.

rich...are you trying to make the cover of reloader magazine

the a.r. case should do a 330 gr@ at the ADVERTISED velovities of their 300 gr.

i'll be a happy camper either way

where is rip

Boomie,
check your PM

Rich

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
hey guys, I am telling you, more power to you... take it, run with it, and make the second new bore for the century!!!

jeffe

Boomie,
you might quote me.. in THIS century... let's not confuse folks

Send me the case drawings
jeffe

so rip...

you are going to do a 395 with the lapua case and a 1 in 10 or 1 in 12 twist

the ruger case with a 1 in 12 twist

the 06 case...what twist??? cast and solids..

vapo...

do you have the ability to squish down 40 cal (10 mm) bullets .005 for plinking???

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
vapo...

do you have the ability to squish down 40 cal (10 mm) bullets .005 for plinking???

I can make a hardened O-1 die to .395 and thread it 7/8-14 and make a pusher to push the bullet thru a rockchucker press....is that what you mean?

If I had some Hornady .411 300 grain bullets, I'd push them thru as well....not sure how they would come out!

One might be able to scoot these things about 3,500 '/sec .....and that would be a very nasty thing to do to a coyote!!!

In a 1-10 twist, it'd give a whole new meaning to "drill a coyote"

thats what i am talking about!!!

squish some 40 cal bullets for plinking and varnmits...

Vapodog,

coyotes or anything else under 300lbs. Like antelope or whitetail, or a lot of the smaller plains game in africa.

I got an offer to test the 395 on some bison this spring/summer when we get it done, could we fill the hollowpoint with epoxy?

Rich

the 40 cal bullets range fron 130 to 200 grains hollow point and otherwise...

i looove pistol bullets for their cheapness/high velocity.

what can we do with a barnes 40 cal xpb???



also there is the 180 gr 41 cal xpb and 350/400 grain 416 tsx and banded solids can we turn them on the lathe??? squish them down???

gerards will be the best but these should be given a try to see if they are options.

I know they are hated here, but Hawk bullets perform well when used within their limitations. The owner of the company will be very candid about what his bullets will and won't do if you call him on the phone. He will also make special runs of bullets for a reasonable price. If you are looking for something to work on thin skinned game at moderate velocities, then it would seem worth your time to bounce this hair-brained idea off of Hawk.

I have used the 175 gr RN in 7x57 and if you want heavy for caliber bullets at moderate spped, Hawk will work. Accuracy has always been acceptable for me as well.

Please do not take this suggestion as me suddenly seeing this idea as a good thing. I am just trying to help some blind hogs find an acorn (made of copper and lead). If y'all think this is a good idea, then you need help on many levels.

Marc,

let's make that bet a bottle of ______ and a couple of good cigars. I'll PM you and let you what kind of scotch I prefer, and where to order the cigars.



Rich

quote:

Originally posted by Marc_Stokeld:

Please do not take this suggestion as me suddenly seeing this idea as a good thing. I am just trying to help some blind hogs find an acorn (made of copper and lead). If y'all think this is a good idea, then you need help on many levels.

Save money and go hunting.

500
Some of us are trying..He's making a list an checking it twice..
AK

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
the 40 cal bullets range fron 130 to 200 grains hollow point and otherwise...

i looove pistol bullets for their cheapness/high velocity.

what can we do with a barnes 40 cal xpb???



also there is the 180 gr 41 cal xpb and 350/400 grain 416 tsx and banded solids can we turn them on the lathe??? squish them down???

gerards will be the best but these should be given a try to see if they are options.

vapo...what say you on squishing these???

quote:

vapo...what say you on squishing these???

If someone wanted to spend the time to turn them between OD centers on a lathe I'd think that was the best option.

But it won't likely be me!!!