Boom Stick
It's possible that anyone that does cut rifled barrels can easily produce a .3xx bore starting with a .375 blank.....a .389 reamer isn't expensive and turning a pilot on it is not a hill for a climber.

I might be willing to do it actually as I do have a rather makeshift rifling device!

Marc,

you posted that you had some serious $$$ to bet that the 395/396 Boomstick never got past the dreaming stage earlier on this post.

I'm thinking that I would like to put some money down in favor of this cartridge, barrel, reamers, etc being delivered to your front door in less than 120 days. Just a friendly little number...hows about it? Say, maybe, the cost of a complete rifle from you? You get the notoriety from building the rifle, I get the ink from writing the article, which includes an interview with the originator of this fine wildcat, and Boomie gets the rifle when we are done...is that a viable option?

Over the weekend did some checking:

Talked to a reamer maker friend, he could have me reamers within 30 days of spec sheet being finalized.
Got another friend that makes cut-rifled barrels, he says ninety days on a barrel. .386"x.396" land and groove, 1:12" twist
Got a third friend at a reloading die making company, he says I could have dies in 60 days or less...like 45 days from receipt of the final chambering reamer specs being Emailed from the reamer maker.
A couple of mould makers will cut me a two-cavity mould, 330 and 400gr.
I can easily swage the .400" 38-40 gaschecks down .004" when I seat them in the sizer-luber die.
As far as jacketed stuff, I bet we could get somebody who does solids to make us up 100 bullets, just for the fame and fortune aspect...if not I can make enough to test on the lathe I think.

Now, the tough part...parent case. Help me out here guys.

A. 395 on the 375 headstamped AHR case?
B. 398 Lapua on a shortened 338 Lapua case?
C. 395 on the 375 Ruger headstamped case?
D. 395 on a shortened 375RUM case, same-same AHR?

I lean towards the AHR/RUM...Jeffe has already done the dirty work, shortening the case and necking it down..reloading dies, etc. Just neck the case up .020" and run with it...? It could help with, as Jeffe says,
"ridding the world of 7mags one at a time...". Where's Ed Plummer when we need him?

I really like this idea, and we need to thank Marc and Craigster, et al for providing the impetus to get it off the ground.

I know where there is a Ruger 338WM for sale, and a Rem 7mmRUM; so we'd have choices.

Take care gentlemen, and do let us look at the fantasy.


Rich
DRSS

I have nothing but contempt for someone who talks the talk, but doesn't walk the walk when challenged...are you reading this dan?

I won't build an entire rifle for free, but I will do what I promised to do over the weekend. And no, I am not going to put it on the back burner and never get around to doing it. I will work it in the rotation and do it during lulls or when I need a break from what I am doing and have it turned around in a reasonable time. I was serious when I said I would donate the labor to do what I listed.

For some cash, I will build a rifle that is literally capable of making a magzine cover. Life, and especially spec/R&D projects are not free. Talk and thoughts are free, the rest we have to pay for in some manner.

Jeffe,

here is your turn at the plate. You have 375 AHR cases...

a. expand one case up .020" by making an expander mandrel and sizing the 375 up.
b. lathe turn one bullet at 400 grains or so weight, like the NF truncated cone shape and seat it
to the AHR oal for us.
c. make it pretty and post that picture here for us.

My good friend, Jeffe, don't let us down man!!

Rich

thanks for the support everyone. i wish i could type more but i am at work and cant right now.

the bullet only needs to be 330 grains to exceed .3 s.d. but no complaints here...

tinman will talk soon

jeffe, thanks for the help

rich, you da man

vapo...sounds great i guess talk to jeffe re barrel. anyone have a 375 barrel they want to donate???

Leave me out of this. I have no material size that wouldn't ball up the machinery with chips.

thats a shame mike...hate to go with second best

quote:

Originally posted by Timan:
I think it would do better if you named it the 396 Take the Rigby case a shorten the neck, then neck it to 394. Give the cartridge a loaded length of 3.550 That will give you more options for actions to use, IE: standard military Mausers for starters, get into the more expensive actions later or as people request such things. My question is, why not give it a shot? What else have you got to do? watch tv. Go for it. Name it the .396 Standard
African Magnum. Get rifle or two built and go have some fun. That's what it's all about.
Timan

Please dont call it a Standard African Magnum. African Magnum sounds good but throw the standard part in and it just sounds silly.
Be like saying 416 Standard Remington magnum, or 300 Standard Weatherby Magnum, the standard part just sounds plum silly.

Name it the .396 Standard African Magnum?

It's being "invented" in America, and looks like it just might be produced (at least a protype) in America by American craftsmen. How 'bout the .396 BS (boomstick) American Magnum.

each case can have its own name...

the 06 version can be called the AMERICAN (all caps to imply pride in being american)

the ruger version alaskan

the lapua version african

but i think rip wanted the lapua version called the 396 ripper

lets see if rip wont mind calling it the african ripper or r.i.p.a. (rest in peace african)

marc,

where are we on the wager...?

Rich
DRSS

I am espousing the theory that dan has Alzheimer's Disease. The symptoms match.

lots of talk so far and I have yet to see anything actually produced. Talk is free and requires next to no effort. when one has to go begging for free stuff in order to pull something out of left field, it tends not to happen. People get caught up in the excitement and hysteria and then reality sets in later. If BS meets all of the criteria I laid out in that post, I will give him more free stuff (my labor). As of right now, I think I am the only one who uses his real name, location, and a gurantee to do something if the criteria are met.

People with made up screen names from unknown locations talking about what they "will do" is a far cry from a real person making totally unambiguous black and white statements about what he will do.

Boomstick...if you want, I'll furnish a VZ-24 action complete with drilled and tapped, bolt handle alteration, barrel threaded, chambered, and fitted, bolt face opened, and if you actually get roughing and finishing reamers for chambering....the rougher suitable for a sizing die, I'll also make the reloading dies as well!!!!! It would be nice if someone could donate a set of used and unwanted loading dies for the 416 Rem mag as I could use many of the parts from it.

I must have $300 for the action and Dakota bolt handle however as modified plus the materials for the dies and heat treating. I do understand that the case to be used is the .375 Ruger.....correct?

BTW.....I suspect I'm among very few that wrote a check to Jeffeosso for the work on the AR wildcats!!!!!

Vapo, boomie,
i might can talk a certain solid maker into making a run of lathe turned bullets... as a COUPLE off...


you might could take a RUm case, and turn it down to see what it looks like... just a guessing game, and NOT suitable for firing
jeffe

awesome vapo!

jeff posted all the people who helped him on a thread and i should be on it too.

you will be on my christmas list

thanks for the legwork jeffe

the ruger would be the most ballanced as a cart but i dunno when we can get any brass.

Boomie,

The ball's in your court. Get your shit together and go for it dude. It's nice to see your plan coming together.

i am verrry greatfull to see this project come together...yes lots of work needs to be done but like i said if we work together we can get this done. i will say again, this is not about me but about us working together to work on interesting ideas. so lets make a checklist of things needed to be done and who can help.

again thanks for the support

so to get this organized lets post the unknowns and the needs to be done. thanks

395 wish list...

375 barrel for reboring
395 custom made lathe turned bullets (if jeffe's friend cant do it)
donations to vapodog and jeffe for materials
am i missing anything?

rip wants one in the lapua config. he will do development on that one

what case are "we" going to work on???

advice and input please. thanks...boomer out

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
395 wish list...

375 barrel for reboring
395 custom made lathe turned bullets (if jeffe's friend cant do it)
donations to vapodog and jeffe for materials
am i missing anything?

rip wants one in the lapua config. he will do development on that one

what case are "we" going to work on???

advice and input please. thanks...boomer out

The AR, of course.

If it's not too late how about a $100 (US greenbacks) to be donated in March. money will be sent to el jeffe.
I'd like to see this thing fly. please meet or beat.
A AR based .395 BS

marc,

I am not hearing anything on the tremendous wager you offered in print earlier on this thread from your end. I have written commitments from a barrel maker, a reamer maker, and Jeffe WILL make up a dummy AR case and post a genuine picture here of the dummy basic for our perusal. Along with a spec sheet to work off of, that will bring us to the actual wager $$$ amount.

operator is standing by....

Rich

I am still espousing the theory that dan has Alzheimer's Disease. The symptoms are eerily similar to the behaviour that he is displaying here.

thanks torque! (21 gun salute)

quote:

Originally posted by boom stick:
395 wish list...

375 barrel for reboring
395 custom made lathe turned bullets (if jeffe's friend cant do it)
donations to vapodog and jeffe for materials
am i missing anything?

rip wants one in the lapua config. he will do development on that one

what case are "we" going to work on???

advice and input please. thanks...boomer out

Boomstick.....somehow I've been assuming this is based on the .375 Ruger....if a RUM case the CZ-24 is too short.....unless we shorted it to 2.5"...and this can be done

you also need a rougher and finisher reamer.....the rougher for making a resizing die. Also a used and unwanted 416 Rem die set for parts.

You'll need a stock of some sort with crossbolts for recoil and recoil pad and barrelband sling swivel and sights for the barrel.

Sorry....but even witha lot of free labor this thing is not cheap!!!!

well barrel band swivel and anything decorative are out, for the time being. Just a working rifle is a good start, no?

as for the case requirements the AR can be a 2.5" for the time being as well.It's not going to Africa right away, is it?

i think the ruger would make the most sense but it is not out yet. i am not going to be choosey, whatever we all can agree on. i like the idea of a simple neck up.

i'd even go for the 396 steyer to make jeffe happy we could later do the ruger by rechambering...i am easy. i'd hate to let things cool by waiting till march.

398 win mag??? (338 win mag necked up)

whatever is best

I'd vote to use the 375 RUM case and just shorten it to 2.6 or so.....

Also....if someone has a few Hornady .411 300 grain bullets they can donate I think I can squeeze them to .395!!!

id love to use the vz-24 if possible...

what method would you use to resize the bullets??? or is that proprietary

I think Boomy needs this. What die parts do you need Vapo. I just saw a set somewheres for sale. I will look around. I think this should be an AR round 2.5 Rum case. Then we can wildcat off of that like we are planning on doing to the 375 Ruger. Steyr, case 2.5 Rum case and full length Rum case. I will donate the 411 bullets. I am in for $50 bucks also if this gets further than what it is now.

thanks blueprinted! 21 gun salute to you too x21 (sorry bandwidth complaints)

here is one possible idea...

the 398 ultra...



the 338 is shorter than the 300 rum and the headstamp will work.

if you open up the 338 rum to 395 and trim to 2.65 you have about a cal length neck and no other case alterations and fit in a 7mag action. this can be done to make a short neck 358, 9,3(torque)375, 411, 416, 423 and 458 but that is for another thread... (dibbs! dont even think about stealing these air carts )

that would require a 338 rum reamer with a 395 pilot.

it would be cheap, no waiting, rip off headstamped brass and outperfom the ruger.

what say you guys???

it could be just expanded and left at full length too, but hey

Boom Stick , I think it is a great idea....I like belts but I think the 338 RUM shortened to 2.6 like { I think } vapo dog suggested . I could make up a 395 BS RED MISTER SUPER SCOUT . The problem with BS is John Barsness or Charlie Sisk may take execption .. However their 9.3 B.S. is popular enough that midway carries the brass..Call it the BOOM STICK... people up here will think you move logs on the water....GrayBack wildcats can headstamp the brass................The thing for me will be bullets............. I wonder if LOST RIVER would make up a run of them in 300 gr weight....It would be a bear slayer extrodinair.....................................And be real flat shooting.. .. Its too bad too many people have to get so into putting someone else down........................ I got that for a bit on Alaskan Hunting forum .............. ... ,,, ,,,,,,,,,, Its a great idea that would work GREAT for me as I hunt deer with one red mister DRT rifle or other.........The RUM case @ 2.6 with a caliber length neck or less... 300 gr H T style bullet , Moly coated...Fed 215 primer .Starting load of about 82 gr. RL 15.. 77 gr 4064 or H 4895.... anticapated velocity w/23" barrel 2875-2900 fps.. 1 in 10 or 12 " twist.........Holland Quick discharge cob......
PAC NOR barrels and LEE dies............ GumBoot out..

thanks for the info gumboot458...

does anyone have a few pieces of 338 rum brass they can spare for an experiment??? i am going to see if the shortened 338 rum brass will work.
call them s.c.u.m. rounds...(short case ultra mag )

will pay up front for cost and shipping. 5 or 10 please. thanks.

wouldn't you prefer to expand the 375 RUN to .395 verses the 338 RUM?......

the 338 is shorter and if you have a short neck could fit in a win mag action. that was the thinking behind that one otherwise if you use a h+h length the 375 makes the most sense.

Jeffe makes AR chambered rifles all the time on standard length magnum actions. Just get a neck/throating reamer that is .020" larger than his 375AR and run it in.

Ten of us at a measly $50 pop buys a Ruger tang safety 7mm/300wm/338wm rifle.
Ten more of us gets a barrel and reamers.

As soon as marc_stokeld realizes he really did make an unspecified amount wager offer on this thing ever flying, I expect him to "man up" and post that any minute...we are in gear. I am talking serious money here marc...where are you?

It's going to work, and unless marc crawfishes all the way off the forum my bet with him is going to fund about a dozen of these when he pays up.

Rich
DRSS

I am still espousing the theory (until dan "nuts up", cowboy talk for being a man) that 500 grains is suffering from Alzheimer's Disease. The symptoms are eerily similar and consistent.

Boom Stick,
A question.....
When this thing is done and shooting.....who's going to own it?

To the answer may I suggest we auction it off right here on the forum.....hopefully to someone going to Africa.....to shoot Buffalo!

that is a great idea...

the r+d costs could be returned to the donators. i just want to see it work and maybe pull the trigger at a bubba shoot. of course i would like to have it but as i said why dont WE have our own bore

the person who takes it to africa will have to write an article for guns and ammo magazine...

Then it's agreed.....when the rifle is done and shooting and mostly debugged, it will be auctioned right here on AR and sold to the highest bidder.

Caution:...it may not bring much....but if $250 is the highest bid, so be it.....that man owns it!

man this is going to be a historical artifact worthy of a gun museum...it should be worth at least a krieghoff double