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Boom Stick, I really like the .395 idea and here's why. There's .041 seperating the the .395 from the .416, seems valid enough to me. A .411 anything will never ever take the .416 Rigbys lime light it just won't happen, The 404 is cool, but again it's not a 416 Rigby. Nothing agianst the 404 it's a fine round. I think most people just go straight to the Rigby and that's that's they don't have time for 400 this and 404 that, they want the rifle built and be on their way to hunt the game and get back to making a dollar so they can go again next year. To be able to offer a rifle that fills and frills is like having a full set of drills. This is a true instance where at SCI Reno I was helping a man who wanted a rifle bigger than 375 H&H and was not into the Rigbys recoil, He was over 60 years old, could have bought any rifle in the building 10 times over, didn't want a 404 because @ 400 @ 2100 and @ 400 @ 2300 aren't that much different for felt recoil. There's one example, I'm sure there would be others. More interesting though is the Idea of a 330gr bullet @ about 2650, that would be kind of fun. A .395 Lapua w/cat would be cheaper to make and still get the desired effect. What do you think the magazine box length should be for the .395 inbetweener, and would you rather go with a .750 or a .700 bolt. Should this rifle be traditional or synthetic and stainless. Sounds cool to me, shit, I like it. Timan | |||
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Marc, I was refering to duikerman. | |||
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Rich, I was rude to Boomie? Sarcastic maybe, but hardly rude. You need to read my posts again and brush up on your semantics. And as far as being a "regular" goes, I've been around here since 2002. | |||
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Edit: deleted part of this post quoted by boom stick below, to decrease redundancy Here are, left to right, .338, .375, .423, .458 Lapua, and the .470 Mbogo. Imagine the properly headstamped .398 Lapua Magnum inserted between the .375 and .423. There is a not so urgent need for a .395 Lapua Magnum to fill that huge .041" gap. | |||
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awesome offer, thank you. now to work on the other stuff...it will be slow going if it is reliant on my abilities but if enough people here like the idea it CAN fly. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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alright!...the 395 is coming to life. it may only be an "air-cat" right now but like i said...leets have our own bore! goodonya rip! 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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rip...does the 395-06 still get called the 395 boom stick 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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thanks tinman... in a year this thing reeely could fly with rips backing. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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the necking up of the ruger, the lapua and the 06 is awesome! hey rip...turning a headstamp 375 tp 395 will be easy! lots of headstamped to be brass there! 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Now you are thinking like a true RIPoff artist! Yep now it has to be .395 Ruger. Also now it has to be named the .398 Lapua Magnum, because it will be so easy to change a 338 to a 398 with an engraving pen. Still will be .395 bullet. We just saved a lot of money: no custom brass needed for proper headstamp. Some more imagineering is needed on the .395 Boom Stick brass situation. Blank basic .30-06 cylindrical to be hand engraved ".395 BS" ... ? Is there a source of blank .30-06 cylindrical brass? | |||
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If you don't have some irrational fear of a belt you could neck up the 300 or 338 Win mag. or down from the 458 or 416 taylor. | |||
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I would expect the .398 Lapua Magnum to do an easy/moderate pressure 2700 fps with 330 grain bullet. We'll gitterdun eventually. | |||
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375 dakota, 378 weatherby and the 375 weatherby are easily rip-offs too. 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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how much can the dies guages ect of say the 375 ruger be modified to save costs??? what are the shoestring costs here... someone with a lathe can make a few custom brass or copper solids. time + $20 in materials biggest gun says pacnor will do a custom barrel for $500. custom or altered dies??? altered or custom reamer??? a used or donated 7mag??? could it be done for under 1500 on the cheap with some donated smithing??? altering the 375/378 and 338 reeeely helps out with costs. so am i wrong here or can we pull together here to make this fly for about $1500 and we can have our own bore??? man that is putting a.r. to work thanks for all the input 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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good one 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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boom stick, how about you have the Ruger and I take the Lapua, for the easy brass? Air Cartridge Dibbs to you: .395 Ruger Boom Stick Air Cartridge Dibbs to me: .398 Lapua Magnum RIP first the barrel then the reamer then fire form a .375 Ruger in the .395 Boom Stick and fire form a .338 Lapua in the .398 RIP then the dies then the bullets ... | |||
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For starters: Use a .375 Ruger reamer and headspace guage and a "neck and throat reamer" for .395, but since no .375 Ruger specs are available, best to just wait and get a proper reamer in .395 BS that uses the same headspace guage as the .375 Ruger, whenever that is available. | |||
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thanks rip...i dont know if people would want to use it if it has my name on it but we can work on names later... hey we can resize these bullets! http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=283303 just have to size them down 6 thou... 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by boom stick: thanks rip...i dont know if people would want to use it if it has my name on it QUOTE] A .395 BS would be a tough sell! | |||
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Shucks, the Boom Stick name is at least as well respected as the RIP name around here. Boom Stick would be a great name for a .395 Ruger cat. I'll have to look up the modern spec on that 38-40 bullet, not sure. That old 38-40 Martini with .395 grooves may have been an odd ball. My 38-55 uses .375 or .377 bullets, and I can't remember exactly. | |||
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i forgot to add, to the cost of the custom barrel tooling, you would either have to shoot cast bullets only, or pay a bullet maker's dies, and then order a minimum amount. if you really really wanted to do this about 600 bucks for the barrel maker 250 for the reamer maker, per reamer about 1500 bucks to the bullet maker for dies and probably 5k units for bullets. assuming 30¢ each, that's another 1500+250 shipping. and now you would have a single barrel maker, a single bullet maker, and 5,000 bullets to sell. about $4,100 to get the dime off TDC. plan 50% contingency, and DOUBLE any time estimates to get there. and that's before the first rifle is built to test the concept that a bullet can be very much better than a .411 or .375... might be, i am not making a judgement, just saying what it is. vapo.. heh, sand cast budget... it's even funnier when someone else says it. as for ridiculous wildcats.. the 458 lott spent it's first ~40 years as a wildcat, as well as, frankly, every round that has ever made it commerically stated with 1 person's concept, a reamer, and a barrel. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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a 395 ruger might be good enough 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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The ".395 Ruger Boom Stick" and ".398 Lapua Magnum RIP" are not about commercial success. Die costs for monometal copper lathe-turned bullets Jeffe? | |||
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Of course! That is what the brass headstamp will say. And the other will say .398 Lapua Magnum. These are nonproprietary, released to the gun trade. | |||
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well a resize die for the 401 diameter would not be that much... if you turned yer own bullets and hijack the other brass the project stays within reason 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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boomie, it takes a lathe and some training to turn your own bullets, which outweighs the cost. and, you can't avoid the development cost, sorry. besides, if you turn your own bullets, and you offer them for sale, you have to have an FFL AND ammo manf. license... and no one would have any bullets, at all, unless you turned them. jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Loaded ammo maybe.....but just bullets?...are you sure? /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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http://www.corbins.com/busop.htm#top opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Sounds good!! I think that would be great! | |||
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You need a 400 grn .395 though, it has the magical SD of .366! | |||
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With the CNC lathes that North Fork and GSC use, maybe a custom order could be done for a .395-caliber/330-grain bullet, as was suggested previously? The idea is not to go into the bullet business, just to get a new caliber started, for sake of vanity. BTW Boomer, those .38-40 bullets seem to be .400 caliber. The old antique Martini was an oddball .38-40 with .395 groove diameter. The .38-55 I have is a .377 caliber. Never give up the dream! | |||
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Photo repeated just to waste bandwidth, since I gassed up the truck today:
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hornady! are you listening????? corner the market on this new caliber! ruger too 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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I still think you all should fly to Colorado, sample my 18yr old single malt or 15yr old bourbon and help me with the .385 Balderdash! .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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Actually what the hell! I'd like to be a part of history and help create or ressurect (I guess it was done, a little help please ALF) a .395 bullet. | |||
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Sorry boom, I'm a devoted National League fan. Braves fan to be exact. I believe the pitchers should help them selves out and hit. | |||
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who has a lathe that can turn some 395 bullets to make some dummy rounds for a visual and possibly shoot??? thanks 577 BME 3"500 KILL ALL 358 GREMLIN 404-375 *we band of 45-70ers* (Founder) Single Shot Shooters Society S.S.S.S. (Founder) | |||
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Boomy, it's your project... So, what you need to do is call around to a couple custom bullet makers, with a properly designed bullet, and have them lathe turn you a couple bullets. what will it look like? heh, like a .411 400gr with .011 missing!! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Boom, Get solid on the case dimensions, I'll split the tooling with you. What is the name going to be. Timan | |||
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We could order 2 reamers, One rougher and one finish reamer. Then use the rougher to ream the dies we're going to make. Timan | |||
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