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Boom Stick, I really like the .395 idea and here's why. There's .041 seperating the the .395 from the .416, seems valid enough to me. A .411 anything will never ever take the .416 Rigbys lime light it just won't happen, The 404 is cool, but again it's not a 416 Rigby. Nothing agianst the 404 it's a fine round. I think most people just go straight to the Rigby and that's that's they don't have time for 400 this and 404 that, they want the rifle built and be on their way to hunt the game and get back to making a dollar so they can go again next year. To be able to offer a rifle that fills and frills is like having a full set of drills. Big Grin
This is a true instance where at SCI Reno I was helping a man who wanted a rifle bigger than 375 H&H and was not into the Rigbys recoil,
He was over 60 years old, could have bought any rifle in the building 10 times over, didn't want a 404 because @ 400 @ 2100 and @ 400 @ 2300 aren't that much different for felt recoil. There's one example, I'm sure there would be others. More interesting though is the Idea of a 330gr bullet @ about 2650, that would be kind of fun. A .395 Lapua w/cat would be cheaper to make and still get the desired effect. What do you think the magazine box length should be for the .395 inbetweener, and would you rather go with a .750 or a .700 bolt.
Should this rifle be traditional or synthetic and stainless. Sounds cool to me, shit, I like it.
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I was refering to duikerman.
 
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Hey Craigster,

when you mess with the bull, don't cry if you get gored...

Y'see Boomie is one of the regulars here, and when you are rude to folks who have not ever done you harm, sometimes people figure that's how you go thru life, jerking other people around and expecting to get jerked around in return; so that's how they treat you.

Personally, and it is just me talking here, Stokeld has done himself a tremendous amount of harm as regards his business. Anyone who saw his rude, rather chickenshit flame job on Boomie probably came to the conclusion that he is some cracker jerk with no manners, and will not do business with him or recommend him to others because of the post. Others may admire his bold stand...

Sort-of like the twist thing going on between 500 grains and JeffeOsso. People side one way or the other, and Jeffe may not do any gunsmith work for either of dan's friends. He may gain business from others who figure he made the challenge and dan is ducking him...by his own admission here. Sooo, take a stand if you will, but be prepared to deal with the fallout.

Back in my brawling days I used to tell people "...I always try to give a man a choice, and then hold him responsible for the consequence of his actions...". These days I am much more mellow, I just suggest kindly as I can that they walk away while they can. Works for me!

JMHO, your mileage may vary...

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Rich,

I was rude to Boomie? Sarcastic maybe, but hardly rude. You need to read my posts again and brush up on your semantics. And as far as being a "regular" goes, I've been around here since 2002.
 
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Here are, left to right, .338, .375, .423, .458 Lapua, and the .470 Mbogo.

Imagine the properly headstamped .398 Lapua Magnum inserted between the .375 and .423. Cool


There is a not so urgent need for a .395 Lapua Magnum to fill that huge .041" gap. thumb
 
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Am I the "Nazi" referenced above? I never said Saeed should or should not pay for anything or any one should stop posting or change their posts. I simply made the statement that if folks had to pay their own way I thought we would see different things posted.

I am not using soem made up screen name and some cryptic reference to my home address. I am one of the few here who is man enough to NOT hide behind their computer screen.

Boomstick-I don't know if it is me you think wrote soemthing insulting about you or if it was one of the others who chimed in. To the contrary, I encouraged free thinking. I also encourage people to listen to other's experience, knowledge, and thoughts, as opposed to getting so excited over their own ideas.

BoomStick-I will make a deal with you, and I am 100% serious here. If you get a barrel, dies, reamer, throater, brass, and bullets made for the .395, then I will barrel up your action for free (just the .395, not any of the other ideas you have had). I mean it-provide me with the action, barrel, loaded dummy round, reamer, throater, and I will donate the labor on this 80 year old idea you think is your brand new notion. Seriously, I will do it. I will not test fire it though-I will leave that up to you. I will also do other work needed to make a sporter if it is a military action (bolt handle, drill and tap, etc., but not square bridging or anything like that).


awesome offer, thank you. thumb

now to work on the other stuff...it will be slow going if it is reliant on my abilities but if enough people here like the idea it CAN fly.


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The PC (Party Crappers/Practicality Cops) can go find another playground sandbox to dump in, please lighten up.

That would be a 328 grain bullet for .300 SD, to be more exact, and that is the only bullet weight needed, a custom order from North Fork or GSC, a premium soft and an FN solid of the same all-purpose weight.

Despite some old .38-40 Martini's having been slugged at .395, many people have been thinking about this "huge" 0.041" gap (.416 - .375) for quite a while, probably since 1912.

To split the difference between .375 and .416: It's time has come!

Until boom stick can specify his dream rifle to Timan, for a custom build, here is what I would do:

Neck up the .338 Lapua Magnum to accept the .395 caliber bullet and make the custom brass to be 2.720", trim to 2.710". The brass cartridge case design is now complete.

The chamber throating will allow long-nose seating the bullet to only have one caliber length of bullet shank grasped by the slightly greater than caliber length neck of the perfected case.

The action will be anything appropriate for the .338 Lapua Magnum or .416 Rigby, a magnum action. The .30-06 and .375 Ruger neckups can go in a standard action, with short-nose seating.

Barrel should be about .650" to .700" at the muzzle for the light sporter. Use a heavier fluted barrel if desired.

Stainless barrel for this new development, and of course it will have to be a 1:10" twist for those custom monometal bullets.

Synthetic stock like a McMillan or HS Precision.

Here's the .375 Lapua as an aid in visualizing the .396 SAM or .395 Aagaard cartridge:


jumping jumping jumping jumping jumping

alright!...the 395 is coming to life. it may only be an "air-cat" right now but like i said...leets have our own bore!

goodonya rip! thumb


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rip...does the 395-06 still get called the 395 boom stick Big Grin


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Boom Stick, I really like the .395 idea and here's why. There's .041 seperating the the .395 from the .416, seems valid enough to me. A .411 anything will never ever take the .416 Rigbys lime light it just won't happen, The 404 is cool, but again it's not a 416 Rigby. Nothing agianst the 404 it's a fine round. I think most people just go straight to the Rigby and that's that's they don't have time for 400 this and 404 that, they want the rifle built and be on their way to hunt the game and get back to making a dollar so they can go again next year. To be able to offer a rifle that fills and frills is like having a full set of drills. Big Grin
This is a true instance where at SCI Reno I was helping a man who wanted a rifle bigger than 375 H&H and was not into the Rigbys recoil,
He was over 60 years old, could have bought any rifle in the building 10 times over, didn't want a 404 because @ 400 @ 2100 and @ 400 @ 2300 aren't that much different for felt recoil. There's one example, I'm sure there would be others. More interesting though is the Idea of a 330gr bullet @ about 2650, that would be kind of fun. A .395 Lapua w/cat would be cheaper to make and still get the desired effect. What do you think the magazine box length should be for the .395 inbetweener, and would you rather go with a .750 or a .700 bolt.
Should this rifle be traditional or synthetic and stainless. Sounds cool to me, shit, I like it.
Timan


thanks tinman... in a year this thing reeely could fly with rips backing.


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the necking up of the ruger, the lapua and the 06 is awesome!

hey rip...turning a headstamp 375 tp 395 will be easy! lots of headstamped to be brass there! dancing


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the necking up of the ruger, the lapua and the 06 is awesome!

hey rip...turning a headstamp 375 tp 395 will be easy! lots of headstamped to be brass there! dancing


Now you are thinking like a true RIPoff artist! thumb

Yep now it has to be .395 Ruger.

Also now it has to be named the .398 Lapua Magnum, because it will be so easy to change a 338 to a 398 with an engraving pen. Still will be .395 bullet.

We just saved a lot of money: no custom brass needed for proper headstamp. dancing

Some more imagineering is needed on the .395 Boom Stick brass situation. Blank basic .30-06 cylindrical to be hand engraved ".395 BS" ... ?

Is there a source of blank .30-06 cylindrical brass?
 
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If you don't have some irrational fear of a belt you could neck up the 300 or 338 Win mag. or down from the 458 or 416 taylor.


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I would expect the .398 Lapua Magnum to do an easy/moderate pressure 2700 fps with 330 grain bullet.

We'll gitterdun eventually. dancing
 
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375 dakota, 378 weatherby and the 375 weatherby are easily rip-offs too.


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how much can the dies guages ect of say the 375 ruger be modified to save costs???

what are the shoestring costs here...

someone with a lathe can make a few custom brass or copper solids. time + $20 in materials

biggest gun says pacnor will do a custom barrel for $500.

custom or altered dies???

altered or custom reamer???

a used or donated 7mag???

could it be done for under 1500 on the cheap with some donated smithing???

altering the 375/378 and 338 reeeely helps out with costs.

so am i wrong here or can we pull together here to make this fly for about $1500 and we can have our own bore???

man that is putting a.r. to work Big Grin

thanks for all the input thumb


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.398 Lapua Magnum

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boom stick,
how about you have the Ruger and I take the Lapua, for the easy brass?

Air Cartridge Dibbs to you: .395 Ruger Boom Stick
Air Cartridge Dibbs to me: .398 Lapua Magnum RIP

first the barrel
then the reamer
then fire form a .375 Ruger in the .395 Boom Stick
and fire form a .338 Lapua in the .398 RIP
then the dies
then the bullets ...
 
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For starters:

Use a .375 Ruger reamer and headspace guage and a "neck and throat reamer" for .395, but since no .375 Ruger specs are available, best to just wait and get a proper reamer in .395 BS that uses the same headspace guage as the .375 Ruger, whenever that is available.
 
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thanks rip...i dont know if people would want to use it if it has my name on it Roll Eyes but we can work on names later...

hey we can resize these bullets!

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=283303

just have to size them down 6 thou...


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by boom stick:
thanks rip...i dont know if people would want to use it if it has my name on it Roll Eyes
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A .395 BS would be a tough sell!
 
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Shucks, the Boom Stick name is at least as well respected as the RIP name around here. animal

Boom Stick would be a great name for a .395 Ruger cat.

I'll have to look up the modern spec on that 38-40 bullet, not sure. That old 38-40 Martini with .395 grooves may have been an odd ball. My 38-55 uses .375 or .377 bullets, and I can't remember exactly.
 
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i forgot to add, to the cost of the custom barrel tooling, you would either have to shoot cast bullets only, or pay a bullet maker's dies, and then order a minimum amount.

if you really really wanted to do this

about 600 bucks for the barrel maker
250 for the reamer maker, per reamer
about 1500 bucks to the bullet maker for dies
and probably 5k units for bullets. assuming 30¢ each, that's another 1500+250 shipping.

and now you would have a single barrel maker, a single bullet maker, and 5,000 bullets to sell.

about $4,100 to get the dime off TDC.

plan 50% contingency, and DOUBLE any time estimates to get there.

and that's before the first rifle is built to test the concept that a bullet can be very much better than a .411 or .375... might be, i am not making a judgement, just saying what it is.

vapo.. heh, sand cast budget... it's even funnier when someone else says it.


as for ridiculous wildcats..
the 458 lott spent it's first ~40 years as a wildcat, as well as, frankly, every round that has ever made it commerically stated with 1 person's concept, a reamer, and a barrel.

jeffe


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a 395 ruger might be good enough


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The ".395 Ruger Boom Stick" and ".398 Lapua Magnum RIP" are not about commercial success.

Die costs for monometal copper lathe-turned bullets Jeffe? animal
 
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a 395 ruger might be good enough


Of course! That is what the brass headstamp will say.

And the other will say .398 Lapua Magnum.

These are nonproprietary, released to the gun trade. Wink
 
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well a resize die for the 401 diameter would not be that much...

if you turned yer own bullets and hijack the other brass the project stays within reason


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boomie,
it takes a lathe and some training to turn your own bullets, which outweighs the cost.

and, you can't avoid the development cost, sorry.

besides, if you turn your own bullets, and you offer them for sale, you have to have an FFL AND ammo manf. license... and no one would have any bullets, at all, unless you turned them.

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if you turn your own bullets, and you offer them for sale, you have to have an FFL AND ammo manf. license

Loaded ammo maybe.....but just bullets?...are you sure?


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Legal Requirements:
You will need to be clear of felony convictions, and a US or Canadian resident. In the USA, you will need to obtain a Class 6 FFL, which is $30 for 3 years, and entails a visit to your local sheriff or police department with FBI fingerprint capabilities. A small additional fee may be charged by the local law enforcement office for fingerprint processing. You will file the paperwork directly with the BAFT (instructions will be provided with the package). The business can be operated in a den, garage or home workshop provided there is no property covenant or zoning law prohibiting a mail order home business there. Licensing is usually a formality only, except in extremely "liberal"-thinking areas (Berkeley, California comes to mind). The usual license grant period is 60-90 days from the BAFT after submission of the forms. Most of the information on the form does not apply (hazardous waste production, for example, which is zero or below the threshold of interest and can be marked "N/A".


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476AR,
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You will need to be clear of felony convictions, and a US or Canadian resident. In the USA, you will need to obtain a Class 6 FFL, which is $30 for 3 years, and entails a visit to your local sheriff or police department with FBI fingerprint capabilities. A small additional fee may be charged by the local law enforcement office for fingerprint processing. You will file the paperwork directly with the BAFT (instructions will be provided with the package). The business can be operated in a den, garage or home workshop provided there is no property covenant or zoning law prohibiting a mail order home business there. Licensing is usually a formality only, except in extremely "liberal"-thinking areas (Berkeley, California comes to mind). The usual license grant period is 60-90 days from the BAFT after submission of the forms. Most of the information on the form does not apply (hazardous waste production, for example, which is zero or below the threshold of interest and can be marked "N/A".


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Sounds good!! I think that would be great!
 
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You need a 400 grn .395 though, it has the magical SD of .366! Big Grin
 
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With the CNC lathes that North Fork and GSC use, maybe a custom order could be done for a .395-caliber/330-grain bullet, as was suggested previously?

The idea is not to go into the bullet business, just to get a new caliber started, for sake of vanity. Cool

BTW Boomer, those .38-40 bullets seem to be .400 caliber. The old antique Martini was an oddball .38-40 with .395 groove diameter.

The .38-55 I have is a .377 caliber.

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Here are, left to right, .338, .375, .423, .458 Lapua, and the .470 Mbogo.

Imagine the properly headstamped .398 Lapua Magnum inserted between the .375 and .423. Cool


There is a not so urgent need for a 398(.395) Lapua Magnum to fill that huge .041" gap. thumb
 
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hornady! are you listening????? corner the market on this new caliber! ruger too yankees


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I still think you all should fly to Colorado, sample my 18yr old single malt or 15yr old bourbon and help me with the .385 Balderdash!
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hornady! are you listening????? corner the market on this new caliber! ruger too yankees


Actually what the hell! I'd like to be a part of history and help create or ressurect (I guess it was done, a little help please ALF) a .395 bullet.
 
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yankees


Sorry boom, I'm a devoted National League fan. Braves fan to be exact. I believe the pitchers should help them selves out and hit.
 
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who has a lathe that can turn some 395 bullets to make some dummy rounds for a visual and possibly shoot???

thanks wave


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Boomy,
it's your project... So, what you need to do is call around to a couple custom bullet makers, with a properly designed bullet, and have them lathe turn you a couple bullets.

what will it look like?

heh, like a .411 400gr with .011 missing!!

jeffe


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Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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Boom, Get solid on the case dimensions, I'll split the tooling with you. What is the name going to be.
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We could order 2 reamers, One rougher and one finish reamer. Then use the rougher to ream the dies we're going to make.
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