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Originally posted by Macifej:

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He might actually have some fun ...

Too much gin for the SC Crew! Gonna have to bring in someone from Texas for the testing ...

Start heading up - 600 OK should be there next week!

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Originally posted by Macifej:

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He might actually have some fun ...

Too much gin for the SC Crew! Gonna have to bring in someone from Texas for the testing ...

Come on Agent J! You know the SC crew is up to it! It takes more than a few 900 gr hunks of metal to scare us! Here on the compound we do things in a days time that most don't do in a year! In a week, could be a lifetime worth to some! No worries, fridge is full of beer, plenty of Goose flying around, a few of those and we will be looking for something bigger than a 600 OK!

But I have always been 100% up and up with you guys eh? Well, I will be here too. I will confess when it starts to get a little hateful! Anyway, I would like to know my own limits as well! Another interesting test of it's own I think!

HEH HEH HEH...........





It might even get good to me? I wonder what I did with all those metal stamping things I had? Big hammer, some of those stamps--let's see, oh, here is a W, ok ok, here is the I, looking around, oh got it, N. Now if I can find the C, H, E, S, T, and a R. Might make something out of this thing coming?





Got an excellent surprise in the mail today from our buddy Capoward! New updated disk for Quickload! Had all the B&Ms in the update, new North Fork bullets, I think I saw some of Jeffes AR cartridges as well, lot's of good things! I have not had time yet to go through it in detail, but will. Thank You Jimmie! Just Excellent!

You guys are one hell of a fine bunch of chaps, mighty proud to be associated with each of you, I am a lucky fellow!

M

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Too much gin for the SC Crew!

Nah, us Southern guys were raised on corn squeezin's! Gin would be like ginger ale!

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Too much gin for the SC Crew! Gonna have to bring in someone from Texas for the testing ...

Wish I had the vacation time. I'd load up with diesel, cruise through Houston where Jeffe and Jines might come along for the ride then head to the east coast. I'll make sure to bring lots of H335, 215 primers I won at Hoot&Shoots, my Overkill and some painkillers. If I was a lucky soul there might be mead and fine C-gars in the truck too.

Sasquatch

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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:

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Too much gin for the SC Crew! Gonna have to bring in someone from Texas for the testing ...

Wish I had the vacation time. I'd load up with diesel, cruise through Houston where Jeffe and Jines might come along for the ride then head to the east coast. I'll make sure to bring lots of H335, 215 primers I won at Hoot&Shoots, my Overkill and some painkillers. If I was a lucky soul there might be mead and fine C-gars in the truck too.

Sasquatch

Sasquatch

Well, ya'll boys load up anytime ya can, and cruise on over. Ya know here in SC we like Texans, we have much in common with our history lines. We are a rather independent bunch ourselves here, as Texans are as well. So it's always been a good relationship. HEH.......... Why hell, we even have our own version of "Sasquatch" too! Used to be the "Lizard Man"-----LOL........ Unbelievable! Some years ago even a SC Hwy Patrol claimed to actually see the "Lizard Man"---of course he ended up finding a new job, the very next day after being in the news! Probably had a few too many the night before I suppose!


Have much to do this week, my buddy from Ohio dropping in on Sunday night for the week, getting his 416 B&M ready for a little trip to the RSA, getting 450NE 458 B&M up and running, getting my own 458 B&M settled in on loads for RSA and Zim, not sure of what terminals may be planned for this week? But most likely something may come up needing checked before the mighty 600OK arrives. I suspect being on the range nearly everyday this coming week with something.

Michael

Doc M,
Thanks for the input on the 49 Lapua thread.
I posted a photo there of the MIB samples in .500-caliber. I am still figurin' on those.

The rivers are back in their banks here, but it is threatening a spring snow. I will be loading .458 B&M today, chronographing tomorrow, if it is above freezing. Got a new Oehler, taxes are done, I am caught up on professional chores, and my .49 Lapua and .395 H&H are incubating.
No excuses now except I never finished going through 10,000 photos from Tanzania for my homework assignment report.

RIP

Yes, I saw the photos on the 49 thread, just a few minutes ago. Busy this morning getting my RSA 520 SAPS forms together, photos of rifles, serials, cartridges the works so I have no issues upon arrival, quite a chore to take new rifles/cartridges out of country--as you well know. So getting my mess together now.

I plan on getting a package together for you this coming week with things I see you don't have! Shame on me! I apologize for not looking after you better than this!

I have to get very busy on 458 B&M myself. My English GunKote rifle is doing great, very pleased with it thus far. First POI tests, last week I think--had me with the 480 BBW#13, 450BBW#13 Solids at same POI--420 #13 NonCon, and I think the 400 North Fork Bonded Premium as well. I will be taking a supply of all of these to work with in Zimbabwe and RSA. Currently 7 buffalo on quota right now--but only one bull--Cows shoot just as good however! Have 1 hippo as well, all the zebra and wildebeast I can pile up, amongst other critters, and I intend to stack, rack and pack! Long as my ammo holds out?

Now, I just approved yesterday 12 New design CEB BBW#13s--all in brass. Most for the B&M Super Shorts, which in 458 caliber have been designed with NE bands for crimping, and a nose to mouth that will fit and work in 45/70s, and in particular Marlins. I can and will use these same bullets in the 458 B&M and Super Short--but seat out a big grabbing 2 bands for neck tension, and maybe--possible crimp as well if needed or required. New BBW#13s are as follows;

.500 Caliber

These also have a nose to mouth that will work in the Marlin Guide guns in 50 B&M Alaskan. But, not a NE band spacing.

405 gr BBW#13 Solid
375 gr BBW#13 NonCon

375 gr BBW#13 Solid
345 gr BBW#13 NonCon

.474 Caliber

These have longer nose to mouth to work in the new 475 B&M and the 475 B&M Super Short. I would think many other owners of .474 caliber rifles might enjoy these as well, and add versatility to the poor choices currently available in .474 caliber.

450 gr BBW#13 Solid
420 gr BBW#13 NonCon

350 gr BBW#13 Solid
325 gr BBW#13 NonCon


.457 caliber (.458)

These will work in Marlins, and have NE band spaces.

400 gr BBW#13 Solid
370 gr BBW#13 NonCon

325 gr BBW#13 Solid
295 gr BBW#13 NonCon


All these approved for production, and I will be getting 15 boxes (18per) of each coming in over the next week or so.


All of which must have new load data, pressure traces, and terminals! Lot of work coming in, to an already heavy schedule!

Michael

I had two rifles chambered for the 9.3X62, a Blaser R93 and a CZ550. I needed a new project so I started thinking about trading off the CZ on something, but on what? After listening to Jeff and Michael talk about handy, light, short barreled rifles for months and months I was finally seduced. Yesterday, I took my CZ down to my local gun guy and traded it off on a new .338 Ruger Compact Magnum. I should have it in about a week.

Now you're asking why not a WSM. Two reasons. First, I like the design of the RCM better. No rebated rim. Second, Ruger has a rifle specifically designed for its' .300 and .338 RCMs, a handly little thing with a 20 inch barrel.

I'll let you know how this all works out but if this crashes, I am blaming Jeff and Michael

Dave Buddy!

I can't say how proud I am of you! You are making GREAT STRIDES, obviously in the right direction! Now I know crap about the Ruger you have on the way, but 338 is a good small medium caliber--have several varieties myself. What I don't know is how that particular Ruger feels in the hand, the weight, and overall length as compared to say my 9.3 B&M. I know for a fact, and I have not taken my 9.3 to the field yet, but I am done with everything else for any sort of medium, very much in favor of my own 9.3 B&M. AI wood stock, 20 inch barrel, 7.5 lbs, handles like a dream rifle. I think you are going to get very very spoiled, you might should be careful? Once spoiled, it's very hard to go back! I must have 25+ very nice, most Winchester Custom Shop rifles in 338 Win, 358 STA, 416 Remington, 458 Win, 458 Lott, 470 Capsticks, and others, that will never see the light of day again because of this "affliction"!

But if it does in fact not suit you, and you don't see the light in the end, then by all means, blame me, I am even worse that Jeffe, in fact I get on Jeffes ass sometimes about some of his ARs being too long, they can be shortened up as well! So--I am to blame, if you are not happy! I can bear that responsibility, and will! LOL

Congrats--do keep us posted on this!

Michael

Man oh Man, I have been a slave thus far today! Currently I am in the Lab loading up some test POI loads in 458 B&M, some for me, some for 450NE new rifle as well.

After priming about 50 pieces of brass, I stepped over to the shelf I take most of the bullet photos, on the shelf was an extremely good looking couple of cartridge samples, loaded with 570 gr CEB BBW#13 Solid, and one with a 535 CEB BBW#13 NonCon, .510 caliber!

I had forgotten about stealing a couple of 500 AR cases recently! Yes, I am talking about our very own Jeffe and his 500 AR. I am very taken with this cartridge, the way it looks, it's short, it's the most perfect, the most handsome .510 caliber cartridge that I have ever laid eyes upon! If I could get that on a Winchester M70--the right way, I would have one of those. In my opinion, anyone interested in .510 caliber, it should be a 500 AR or just forget about it!

Jeffe, I have not laid eyes on the other ARs, but I know what they are very well---Of all your ARs, this 500 .510 caliber AR is by far my favorite of them all--very very good.

Michael

Doc M,
Do it!
Use one of your neglected H&H-length M70 actions/donor rifles and have plenty of magazine room for bullets.
My .500/.338 Lapua is going into an M70 that used to be a 300 RUM.
One of those seems to feed three from the box just fine, just won't close on three in the box.
Custom stock and bottom metal can come later.
If I did not have so many 500 Mbogos and 500 A-Squares I would have to have a 500 AccRel too.

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Originally posted by RIP:
Doc M,
Do it!
Use one of your neglected H&H-length M70 actions/donor rifles and have plenty of magazine room for bullets.
My .500/.338 Lapua is going into an M70 that used to be a 300 RUM.
One of those seems to feed three from the box just fine, just won't close on three in the box.
Custom stock and bottom metal can come later.
If I did not have so many 500 Mbogos and 500 A-Squares I would have to have a 500 AccRel too.

RIP

Yes, I very well may give it hard consideration no doubt, I like .510, but getting a 51 on RUM is not good. I will look into it, but it would have to be one of the RUM guns--trying to get one of the H&H based guns to that point is very very difficult. Ya think we got enough bolt face to work with? Looks pretty thin? I have been meaning to take some good photos of Jeffes 51 AccRel, it's super great looking with BBW#13 stuck in it! I have 3-4 of those RUM guns here! Oh, and I will say that in the past I have been a little Pissed with Pete at Quality over some of my brass--still happy to have Pete, but the 500 AR brass looks 100% good to go, excellent looking work and brass!

Hmmmmmm...........?????

Michael

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Michael:

Jeffe, I have not laid eyes on the other ARs, but I know what they are very well---Of all your ARs, this 500 .510 caliber AR is by far my favorite of them all--very very good.

RIP:
Doc M,
Do it!

Yes, the 500 AccRel is a natural. Sort of a 'short' 500 Mbogo with only a 2.65" case, and workable within the 2.5" "standard length", NB: it is based on the Rigby case, not the RUM like the other AccRel.

For inexpensive approaches, the little Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan looks like a nice platform and should have enough metal for the "Rigby" sized case head.

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For inexpensive approaches, the little Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan looks like a nice platform and should have enough metal for the "Rigby" sized case head.

Tanzan

Ya'll Know I love ya, but I would just as soon be in hell as to carry anything that don't say Winchester On it!

HEH......

Michael

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Originally posted by michael458:

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For inexpensive approaches, the little Ruger Hawkeye Alaskan looks like a nice platform and should have enough metal for the "Rigby" sized case head.

Tanzan

Ya'll Know I love ya, but I would just as soon be in hell as to carry anything that don't say Winchester On it!

HEH......

Michael

Just have Brian engrave "Michael's Winchester" on the barrel...along with the caliber.

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Just have Brian engrave "Michael's Winchester" on the barrel...along with the caliber

I have thought about that many times! LOL........ Ya think just cause it says Winchester on it that it will work? Maybe, some powerful JuJu?

Since this is terminals I will just put a photo up of some bullets I like! Nothing you ain't already seen, but who cares! LOL......

That's a speedy .500!!

In my Opinion about as good as it gets in their Caliber!






Michael

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Originally posted by someoldguy:
That's a speedy .500!!

Amazing--over 3000 fps and 62500 PSI! 375 grs, 8.5 lb rifle, 21 inch barrel!

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Originally posted by michael458:

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Originally posted by someoldguy:
That's a speedy .500!!

Amazing--over 3000 fps and 62500 PSI! 375 grs, 8.5 lb rifle, 21 inch barrel!

Yes, quite impressive for those of us who like 250-300 yard hartebeesties or impala.
And the pictures of the 500 AccR and 500 MDM are pretty. Buffalo like pretty bullets.

I have a question on Winchester. Don't they do anything that can handle the "Rigby" case head (.589")? They never do a 338 Lapua? They can handle "H&H" length as your 500 MDM shows. If they could do 'fat', then the 500 AccR and even the "H&H long" 500 Mbogo could be Winnie's, too. (Seems to me that I remember that Rem- something-or-other did a police model 338 Lapua. So why not Winchester?)

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have a question on Winchester. Don't they do anything that can handle the "Rigby" case head (.589")? They never do a 338 Lapua? They can handle "H&H" length as your 500 MDM shows. If they could do 'fat', then the 500 AccR and even the "H&H long" 500 Mbogo could be Winnie's, too. (Seems to me that I remember that Rem- something-or-other did a police model 338 Lapua. So why not Winchester?)

Tanz

Winchester Custom Shop advertised for years a Winchester M70 in 416 Rigby. I knew the Custom Shop folks pretty good back then, I don't recall asking Leslie direct if they had ever actually did a M70 in 416 Rigby, but to the best of my knowledge they never completed even 1 rifle in 416 Rigby. I have never seen one, or heard of one. And as good as I love the Custom Shop during those years I was in touch with them, they would not have had the expertise to do a 416 Rigby, on an existing M70 action. Now I have not done any measuring, but I don't think there is enough bolt face on the Winchester to be able to utilize the 500 AR rim. Very little meat there now with the RUM case. For a fact, there would have to be some extremely serious rail work to get even two rounds down to retain. There was a tremendous amount of modifications from an HH based M70 action to go to a RUM action, so much so that neither SSK Industries, or several others will tackle doing a standard HH action to RUM, just too much work to get to that point, with no guarantees of "retaining" in the magazine. I see going from a HH action to something like a Lapua, or 500 AR being near impossible without changing the bottom end entirely, going to something like a single stack, two down, or something like that? I am no gunsmith, in fact tools and me are dangerous to be around, but a M70 is a real bitch when it comes to these things.

I wish dearly that Winchester had done something like the lapua or Rigby--and lots of them--if they had then you could make it work. The 500 MDM is a snap to convert, using one of the Winchesters that was done for the 300 RUM---any other HH action is not a viable solution, even for the RUM case, or 500 MDM. Much less anything else. Now if someone has done one, or going to do one--I would love to hear about it,even a single stack with two down is plenty good--I would do a 500 AR and a 577 of some type for sure then. Brian at SSK is looking at some way now to do a 577 cartridge on a Winchester, but I don't think he has come up with anything, or had much time to consider. JD is going to be on the compound this week, maybe I get him to working on it as well!

Michael

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Yes, quite impressive for those of us who like 250-300 yard hartebeesties or impala.
And the pictures of the 500 AccR and 500 MDM are pretty. Buffalo like pretty bullets.

Tanz

By my calculations the 375 North Fork at 3000 fps at 1 inch hi at 50, 2.5 inches hi at 100 yds, is 4.5 inches low at 300 yds. FYI

Yep--buffalo/elephant/hippo bullets!!!!!!!!

M

Also, please realize that when I speak of converting a rifle, I always think in terms of a working, go to the field, function, feed, retain, for dangerous game type rifle. Of course you can convert M70 to anything you want just about, single shot, but that does not work for me. It has to retain, it has to feed, function 100%, even with 2 rounds is fine with me, but it's got to be 100% of these things, or it's not even a consideration. If it can't do this, then it can't be done as far as I am concerned. I think the the M70 is limited to what I have done with it so far, or have been able to get SSK to figure out anyway! Right now, I think the 500 MDM is as big as it gets on a M70, and still function as a DGR 100%.

M

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Originally posted by michael458:
Also, please realize that when I speak of converting a rifle, I always think in terms of a working, go to the field, function, feed, retain, for dangerous game type rifle. Of course you can convert M70 to anything you want just about, single shot, but that does not work for me. It has to retain, it has to feed, function 100%, even with 2 rounds is fine with me, but it's got to be 100% of these things, or it's not even a consideration. If it can't do this, then it can't be done as far as I am concerned. I think the the M70 is limited to what I have done with it so far, or have been able to get SSK to figure out anyway! Right now, I think the 500 MDM is as big as it gets on a M70, and still function as a DGR 100%.

M

This is helpful, though you might ask your tech friends how "Rem" was able to make their 338 Lapua, or if it was safe and functioning as a 'walk the bush' rifle.

I'm with you and don't want a non-feeding rifle out in 'anything can happen land'. (For those who remember--Friday was "Anything can happen Day" on the original Mickey Mouse Club.)
When you walk the bush, you can run into most anything, like lions while tracking Roan, or buffalo in a great hartebeest area, or whatever.

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Originally posted by michael458:
I had forgotten about stealing a couple of 500 AR cases recently! Yes, I am talking about our very own Jeffe and his 500 AR. I am very taken with this cartridge, the way it looks, it's short, it's the most perfect, the most handsome .510 caliber cartridge that I have ever laid eyes upon! If I could get that on a Winchester M70--the right way, I would have one of those. In my opinion, anyone interested in .510 caliber, it should be a 500 AR or just forget about it!
Michael

Well M - you deserved these cases
And I agree - a handsome cartridge it sure is..

Ulrik

Michael,

Dont know if this means anything , but a month or so ago On Guns International they had a 416 Rigby done on a pre 64 M 70 by Griffin & howe IIRC. Only one I have ever heard of , but it was there>

SSR

Hey Michael, I have nothing to add....just trying to push your thread over onto page 148!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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And as good as I love the Custom Shop during those years I was in touch with them, they would not have had the expertise to do a 416 Rigby, on an existing M70 action

That illustrates why in my personal research I sometimes lean towards the .404 Jeffery, among classic cartridges, instead of the .416 Rigby and even the .416 Remington. The big problem I see with the .416 Rigby in particular is that the COL is a bit longer than the .404, so it wouldn't require such a long action. Not so much with the .416 Remington but for some reason this cartridge seems to be fading into the background somewhat. I know for quite some time, the .416 Remington was almost economical. Not so now!
So amongst calibers in that particular range, I'm starting to lean to the .404 J.

Glenn,

Hint-http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html

416 B&M LOTS of fun



SSR

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Originally posted by Cross L:
Glenn,

Hint-http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html

416 B&M LOTS of fun



SSR

AND, just as capable of accomplishing the mission, on a much smaller "platform"..... Thank You Cross!

Also, Glenn, you can of course do a 404 on the M70, but for us, you, me, the rest of us, to have a proper working rifle it would need to be one of the RUM M70s. Run into the same issues going from the HH case to the 404, or RUM. If I was going to do a .423 on a standard Winchester--I would just take a 416 Rem case (HH Base) up to .423, simple-Easy--no rail, feed, function issues-plenty of brass. But, if I was doing a .423--I would just do a WSM action--and a 425 B&M with an 18 inch barrel. Short fast and handy!


Hey Biebs--We are on Page 148-You Da Man! LOL---

Michael

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AND, just as capable of accomplishing the mission, on a much smaller "platform"..... Thank You Cross!

Thanks for the hints, gentlemen.

I see it's time for me to start thinking out of the boxes. (Pun intended. Meaning boxes of pricey factory ammo.)
I realize there's more available for reloaders than the .416 Rigby or Remington, and it looks like the B&M line is the way to go. I've been told for 20 years I really need to start reloading. I realize my friends were right!

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I wish dearly that Winchester had done something like the lapua or Rigby--and lots of them--if they had then you could make it work. The 500 MDM is a snap to convert, using one of the Winchesters that was done for the 300 RUM---any other HH action is not a viable solution, even for the RUM case, or 500 MDM. Much less anything else. Now if someone has done one, or going to do one--I would love to hear about it,even a single stack with two down is plenty good--I would do a 500 AR and a 577 of some type for sure then. Brian at SSK is looking at some way now to do a 577 cartridge on a Winchester, but I don't think he has come up with anything, or had much time to consider. JD is going to be on the compound this week, maybe I get him to working on it as well!

Michael

Michael,

Very simple solution, use the 500 Jeffery case for your 577/585 in your M70 Winchester; leaves more meat on the bolt face.

I believe Mike Cuypers (Bijou Creek Gunsmithing) had a short lightweight M70 in 500 Jeffery in the Custom Gunsmithing Forum in the fall of 2009/spring 2010 timeframe. If I recollect correctly it held two down and fed center feed from the magazine.

Anyway, just a thought.

Capo

Yes, I would be lost on some things if I did not have you to keep up with me! I had not forgot Mike, and yes, that will work, pretty sure anyway. Mike has some experience with that single stack thing too. A worthy project once I get all this other work out of the way first. I have miles to go before another project. But don't let me forget either!
HEH......

Hope to start shooting some 50s this week with your scope you sent, it's been on the rifle, just have had too much other things to get done. See if I can break it for you! LOL.....

Michael

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I've been told for 20 years I really need to start reloading. I realize my friends were right!

Glenn

You have missed out on 20 yrs of versatility, and just plain fun!

Personally I would not even consider going to the field with factory ammo.

M

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Hope to start shooting some 50s this week with your scope you sent, it's been on the rifle, just have had too much other things to get done. See if I can break it for you! LOL.....

That's what I sent it for...give it a good go!

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Originally posted by michael458:

If I was going to do a .423 on a standard Winchester--

Michael

The classic 10.75x68 would be just the ticket! It will easily achieve the time proven velocity of 2150 with a 400gr bullet. This is the velocity at which the most game was taken with traditional 400gr loads and the 404J.

Sasquatch

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Originally posted by drewhenrytnt:

quote:

Originally posted by michael458:

If I was going to do a .423 on a standard Winchester--

Michael

The classic 10.75x68 would be just the ticket! It will easily achieve the time proven velocity of 2150 with a 400gr bullet. This is the velocity at which the most game was taken with traditional 400gr loads and the 404J.

Sasquatch

Why worry about what a 400 gr will do?

Michael is proving that with new designs and materials you dont need the traditional weights.

400 is traditional in the 416 also but Michael/we seem to be having great sucess with 325-350 gr bullets.

Lets work up something on the order of 350-360 BBW#13 in .423 and see how happy the 404/10.75 is at 4250-4300 fps

SSR

Hey Michael458,

Will try to get the 600OK/dies/brass/bullets together for you this evening - maybe out to you by mid-week.

How many pieces of brass do you want to play with?

Coming off the range, checking in! Have to say I am VERY pleased with 450NE new 458 B&M. Just did his iron sights, and some feed and function exercises and it's 100% good to go--450 CEB #13s dead center with the big ivory flip up bead and with the small brass bead just slightly lower, at 25 yds, that's all I can do iron sights. My 458 B&M shooting 450 North Fork Bonded and 450 CEB Hps same POI at 50, now I have 6 different bullets in that one, same POI at 50 yds! Excellent!

Back to the range with 50 B&M and 416 B&M of my buddy that leaves end of April to do some shooting. Using 325 CEB BBW#13 HP at 2540 fps. 50 we are working on still.

CCMDoc

Very good. I can't really see needing more than 10 or so pieces of brass? I will set up in Lab #2 right off the range, shoot, go load, shoot some more!

Sending the rest of the 450/400 stuff back to you via US Mail tomorrow.

Sasquatch, Cross is right, but I do understand, letting go of the traditional heavier bullets is VERY hard to do, even when you know for a fact that you can actually do better in most cases with a lighter bullet--416--400/350. I find myself wanting to migrate back up from time to time! You know I preach 350-370 gr bullets in 416--Twist rates, velocity, and nose profile--when I got the new 400 gr CEB BBW#13s and Sam and I tested, they did very well even in a 416 B&M at 2250 fps in 1:14 twist--better in 1:12 twist, and super good in a 416 Rem at 2400 fps in 1:14. #13 Nose loves velocity--I found myself wanting to migrate back to a 400 because they did good--well the 350, and it's extra velocity in the 416 B&M and 1:14 twist rates did just as good, and more stable, but it is hard to get away from traditional weights--even when you KNOW you can? Human Nature, we have been taught all our lives certain weights are required--but now we know better, and it's still hard to hold on to.

.423---about a 363 gr solid sounds about right, match it up with a NonCon! LOL........

Hey, well then what the hell is a 286 9.3 all about then?



Gotta go back to the range.
M

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Originally posted by michael458:
Andy

I expect the 900 gr BBW#13s to penetrate completely box #1 at any reasonable velocity. I intend to test at some lower velocity as well. I expect even hi 50 inches to 60+ at even low velocity impacts 1800-1900 fps. The BBW#13 is about the best nose profile I have worked with or seen. It also likes velocity--. I expect nothing but 100% straight line deep penetration.

Also looking at lower limits on the NonCons too. We will put the .620s thru the paces. Doc is sending some extra other bullets as well we will test.

Michael

From a few pages back......If you infact like the lighter bullets, why is the .620 BBW#13 900gr??!