I was a bit stunned at how little of any good he had to say about his birth nations characteristics and what drives the nation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Mg4nXJ21Y&t=239s

Can we get a brief summary? I can’t listen to a video where I am.

Brief summary. Not necessarily my view. Ive met some great Indians.

India is shit and full of shit people and the west doesn't comprehend that.

Why the US wants to keep upping our population by millions every year boggles the mind. All one has to do is look to China and India to get an idea of what’s to come.

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Originally posted by tomahawker:
Why the US wants to keep upping our population by millions every year boggles the mind. All one has to do is look to China and India to get an idea of what’s to come.

If you didn’t get all those brainy immigrants, you would be living Dodgers City of 1895!

Practically all tech advancement wouldn’t have happened in Silicon Valley if it wasn’t for them!

Do you honestly expect any common sense, INTELLIGENCE, in people who have a fight in picking their rulers??

Kamala and Trump?

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Brief summary. Not necessarily my view. Ive met some great Indians.

India is shit and full of shit people and the west doesn't comprehend that.

Define "shit people," please.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Brief summary. Not necessarily my view. Ive met some great Indians.

India is shit and full of shit people and the west doesn't comprehend that.

Define "shit people," please.

Go to Bombay!

You will find out for yourself!

Sheesh! And people have called me an elitist.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Sheesh! And people have called me an elitist.

Sadly, in today’s environment, telling the truth is not very desirable to some people!

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Sheesh! And people have called me an elitist.

Actually, you call yourself an elitist, headless - i have the entire post, if you'd like it repeated.

it begins

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:
Of course I'm an elitist

where you decry that YOU deserve more votes than the "common man"

Goes so saying, but no side deserves more votes per person.

One citizen and one vote.

The folks in an urban area or white collar professionals are not more citizen, more worthy than their rural, trades educated counterparts. The inverse is also true.

I do not like calling trades, “blue collar” professionals less educated. They are not less educated. They are simply educated differently, different field.

Sadly, I do believe many as I see here are not instructed on the functioning of our government. A lot of bad myths and not a lot of legal understanding. In my highschool statewide curriculum US government was an AP elective.

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Originally posted by RolandtheHeadless:

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Originally posted by shankspony:
Brief summary. Not necessarily my view. Ive met some great Indians.

India is shit and full of shit people and the west doesn't comprehend that.

Define "shit people," please.

In relation too the link.- Corrupt, highly classed, self serving, Untrustworthy to name a few mentioned.

10 years ago, I rented a house to a young fellow (late 20's) from India. A recent immigrant, he claimed he had just bought two convenience stores and a restaurant. He was moving from a northeastern state and was expecting his "wife" soon pending approval of her visa. My rental agreement included a maximum of two occupants and no illegal activities on the premises. From the start, I had to chase money every month. I checked on his listed businesses and confirmed that was what he was engaged in. Then, the complaints started. Neighbors started calling me with concerns about the large number of people at the house. Finally, a neighbor who also owns rental property, called and said he observed at least 10 people going and coming every morning and late at night. I made a surprise visit one morning and discovered 14 adults, including my renter in the house. All but himself were sleeping in sleeping bags on the floor. The house was filthy and the kitchen full of insects from open food containers None could speak English nor could produce a green card. I informed my renter he was in violation of the rental agreement. He was gone in 24 hrs. Turns out these folks were his "indentured servants" whom he used to staff his properties. All here illegally. This goes on all over the country.

Most of my contact with people ofIndian origin has been with people of the Sikh culture, and I have no complaints.
So could it be a case of the prominent group having a different mentality?

Nothing wrong with Indians.

They have adapted to living in conditions most of us wouldn’t.

How much of those living conditions are a symptom of a self induced societal rot though?

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Originally posted by shankspony:
How much of those living conditions are a symptom of a self induced societal rot though?

Very true!

I would have thought that naki would be along to explain that this is all the fault of western caucasians?????

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I would have thought that naki would be along to explain that this is all the fault of western caucasians?????

Oh, I think he's just pregaming his breathing patterns. Naki will be along shortly to shrilly shriek like we've not seen previous.

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Originally posted by Scott King:

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I would have thought that naki would be along to explain that this is all the fault of western caucasians?????

Oh, I think he's just pregaming his breathing patterns. Naki will be along shortly to shrilly shriek like we've not seen previous.

Could be.. but rember, when the villagers were raiding his compound, why did he leave paradise?

I think there are very few people who mistreat their own kind more than Indians do!

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I think there are very few people who mistreat their own kind more than Indians do!

I agree and I suspect it has a lot to do with the Indian caste system. The upper levels of the system have a lot of distain for anyone on the lower levels and thus treat them badly.

I knew you would confess to your bigotry.

I was on holiday (in India BTW) and far away from your hateful vitriol.

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Originally posted by JTEX:
I would have thought that naki would be along to explain that this is all the fault of western caucasians?????

Jayant Bhandari is a nobody trying to make money by branding himself.

He is not even on Wikipedia.

Any search about him only produces self promotion and his own websites.

He is selling the same kind of controversial provocative fake news like Trump. Such negativity just attracts the far right.

Any person with common sense will know that such extreme absolutes are impossible and improbable.

Who would believe such tripe about the land of Gandhi? Gandhian service organisations & NGOs are all over India.

Indian arts are prolific. Patrons are all over.

The late Ratan Tata is a great example of great Indians.

JTEX, Jeff-pee and their ilk are just plain jealous.

Yeah, Gandhi.

The racist.https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34265882

The sexual deviant.https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/mahatma-gandhi-celibacy-brahmacharya-experiments-sleep-naked-bath-women/#google_vignette

And casteism and sexism.
https://www.lawctopus.com/acad...dhi-on-caste-gender/

Getting rid of the cast system in India will take generations of education.

Politics will never do it.

It is like trying to the Americans that they are really living in a Third World political system!

They won’t believe it.

Too brainwashed of being told there is nothing better out there.

Sadly, they bring their own caste system here, set up their kids marriages and etc.
Hopefully their descendants will rebel and adapt and assimilate to our culture

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Originally posted by Saeed:
I think there are very few people who mistreat their own kind more than Indians do!

I suspect that much of northern India does not regard southern India as their own kind; I watched a high-level corporate manager who grew up there address a university student who grew up in the south once. It was not a comfortable interaction to see in an industrial environment.

That is a most arrogant and conceited view.

Why should any group of people give up their culture and assimilate into yours?

Assuming you are of European descent, where on earth have Europeans assimilated into another culture.

From the 1500s, they went all over the world and just destroyed civilization for 400 years. They continue to do that.

Idiotic post.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Sadly, they bring their own caste system here, set up their kids marriages and etc.
Hopefully their descendants will rebel and adapt and assimilate to our culture

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
That is a most arrogant and conceited view.

...
Idiotic post.

Good old little naki, well, i condensed your post, using generativeAI, to get down to what you really meant

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
That is a most arrogant and conceited view.

Why should any group of people give up their culture and assimilate into yours?

Assuming you are of European descent, where on earth have Europeans assimilated into another culture.

From the 1500s, they went all over the world and just destroyed civilization for 400 years. They continue to do that.

Idiotic post.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Sadly, they bring their own caste system here, set up their kids marriages and etc.
Hopefully their descendants will rebel and adapt and assimilate to our culture

Europeans adapted and assimilated into a new world
The moment people don’t adapt nd assimilate to new home ( USA) we are screwed

What the world does not understand is that the British corrupted a social system into what has become an abomination in many parts (mostly but not exclusively rural) of India. The current "Caste" system is a product of British administrative policy and tactics.

The "divide and rule" policy always had a minority group dominate the majority and perpetuate a social conflict that would never be focused against the colonials. The British did the same with separating the Muslims from the Hindus in the Punjab & Bengal. They did the same by appointing minority Sunni rulers over majority Shia in much of the middle east.

It is no worse than the way blacks & Hispanics are treated in some parts of the US.

In my 30+ years in NZ I have been discriminated against many times. Several times a work. Once someone refused to rent a house to me and my wife though we are professionals.

The bigotry and hate exhibited here on this thread is worse than any caste discrimination.

The very motive to start this thread with an extreme view point that has no corroboration and then to vilify Gandhi (one of history's greatest humanists) is evidence enough of the hateful bigotry.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Getting rid of the cast system in India will take generations of education.

Politics will never do it.

It is like trying to the Americans that they are really living in a Third World political system!

They won’t believe it.

Too brainwashed of being told there is nothing better out there.

Then why are you not assimilating to the growth of China, India, Russia and other non European nations?

Bigoted liar.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
That is a most arrogant and conceited view.

Why should any group of people give up their culture and assimilate into yours?

Assuming you are of European descent, where on earth have Europeans assimilated into another culture.

From the 1500s, they went all over the world and just destroyed civilization for 400 years. They continue to do that.

Idiotic post.

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Sadly, they bring their own caste system here, set up their kids marriages and etc.
Hopefully their descendants will rebel and adapt and assimilate to our culture

Europeans adapted and assimilated into a new world
The moment people don’t adapt nd assimilate to new home ( USA) we are screwed

Don’t assume anything I’m
Caste system is about 3000 years old and I’m fine with it over there
That’s why we don’t have Sharia law here either
That’s why we don’t have Bolshevik rule…etc
USA is the freest of them all BTW
Saeed might beg to differ…

If I chose to move to India, I would expect that I would have to adapt to all and adopt some of the local customs. Ditto China, Mexico, NZ, or Zimbabwe.

If you immigrate, that’s part of the rationale. “There” is better than “here” for some reason.

It would make sense to me that an Indian expat would not have great things to say about where he came from, if for no other reason as to explain why they moved.

Caste systems (even if it’s a bastardized Brit version) and arraigned marriages are antithetical to the US culture as a whole. You want to do that, don’t come here.

As to your point re the British Raj changing the caste structure, Naki, as you point out, India has a very long history and has been free of British rule for a lot longer than they were subject to it- why has it not reverted back to “what it was” before the Brit’s if the Indians think their system was and is better? After all, India never was really subjected by the British, but rather the Brits used locals to do the dirty work. After all, India has been its own country for better than 80 years since Ghandi helped get the empire out.

Doc

Please stop embarrassing yourself with such ignorant and ridiculous posts.

The British started colonising India in the late 1600 after pretending to trade on fair terms. They left in 1947. Do the maths. India has been independent for less than 78 years while the British were in charge for over 250 years.

How does 78 years become "much longer than" 250+ years?

Do you know how many Indian soldiers died in the two world wars fighting for the British?

I definitely question your MORAL COMPAS.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
If I chose to move to India, I would expect that I would have to adapt to all and adopt some of the local customs. Ditto China, Mexico, NZ, or Zimbabwe.

If you immigrate, that’s part of the rationale. “There” is better than “here” for some reason.

It would make sense to me that an Indian expat would not have great things to say about where he came from, if for no other reason as to explain why they moved.

Caste systems (even if it’s a bastardized Brit version) and arraigned marriages are antithetical to the US culture as a whole. You want to do that, don’t come here.

As to your point re the British Raj changing the caste structure, Naki, as you point out, India has a very long history and has been free of British rule for a lot longer than they were subject to it- why has it not reverted back to “what it was” before the Brit’s if the Indians think their system was and is better? After all, India never was really subjected by the British, but rather the Brits used locals to do the dirty work. After all, India has been its own country for better than 80 years since Ghandi helped get the empire out.

Man, you are so gullible.

Trump just threatened and got Zuckerberg to stop fact checks.

You call that freedom?

Trump's attack on the capitol in 2021. You call that freedom?

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Originally posted by M.Shy:
Don’t assume anything I’m
Caste system is about 3000 years old and I’m fine with it over there
That’s why we don’t have Sharia law here either
That’s why we don’t have Bolshevik rule…etc
USA is the freest of them all BTW
Saeed might beg to differ…

How long was India a separate nation (for lack of a better term) before Britain?

And my moral compass is fine if I am not supporting arranged marriages and naming people by birth to a caste system that subjects some to perpetual underclass. How’s yours, since you seem to keep minimizing and defending it?

The caste system predates the Raj.

It was undoubtedly very abusive to the lower castes before the Europeans set foot. Maybe the British made it worse, I don’t know, but a system that condemns some as “untouchables” by accident of birth has its warts.

I at no time accused ALL Indians of bad behavior, but the continuation of a birth caste system by modern India is a black mark on them.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Doc

Please stop embarrassing yourself with such ignorant and ridiculous posts.

The British started colonising India in the late 1600 after pretending to trade on fair terms. They left in 1947. Do the maths. India has been independent for less than 78 years while the British were in charge for over 250 years.

How does 78 years become "much longer than" 250+ years?

Do you know how many Indian soldiers died in the two world wars fighting for the British?

I definitely question your MORAL COMPAS.

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Originally posted by crbutler:
If I chose to move to India, I would expect that I would have to adapt to all and adopt some of the local customs. Ditto China, Mexico, NZ, or Zimbabwe.

If you immigrate, that’s part of the rationale. “There” is better than “here” for some reason.

It would make sense to me that an Indian expat would not have great things to say about where he came from, if for no other reason as to explain why they moved.

Caste systems (even if it’s a bastardized Brit version) and arraigned marriages are antithetical to the US culture as a whole. You want to do that, don’t come here.

As to your point re the British Raj changing the caste structure, Naki, as you point out, India has a very long history and has been free of British rule for a lot longer than they were subject to it- why has it not reverted back to “what it was” before the Brit’s if the Indians think their system was and is better? After all, India never was really subjected by the British, but rather the Brits used locals to do the dirty work. After all, India has been its own country for better than 80 years since Ghandi helped get the empire out.

And Zuckerberg admitted that the Biden administration was threatening g and cursing his employees when they didn’t censor as they desired.

Your point re Zuck?

As to Trump and the attack- no one has proven Trump directed it. They have proven a number of his supporters were part of a seditious conspiracy.

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Originally posted by Nakihunter:
Man, you are so gullible.

Trump just threatened and got Zuckerberg to stop fact checks.

You call that freedom?

Trump's attack on the capitol in 2021. You call that freedom?

quote:

Originally posted by M.Shy:
Don’t assume anything I’m
Caste system is about 3000 years old and I’m fine with it over there
That’s why we don’t have Sharia law here either
That’s why we don’t have Bolshevik rule…etc
USA is the freest of them all BTW
Saeed might beg to differ…

quote:

Originally posted by Nakihunter:
What the world does not understand is that the British corrupted a social system into what has become an abomination in many parts (mostly but not exclusively rural) of India. The current "Caste" system is a product of British administrative policy and tactics.

The "divide and rule" policy always had a minority group dominate the majority and perpetuate a social conflict that would never be focused against the colonials. The British did the same with separating the Muslims from the Hindus in the Punjab & Bengal. They did the same by appointing minority Sunni rulers over majority Shia in much of the middle east.

It is no worse than the way blacks & Hispanics are treated in some parts of the US.

In my 30+ years in NZ I have been discriminated against many times. Several times a work. Once someone refused to rent a house to me and my wife though we are professionals.

The bigotry and hate exhibited here on this thread is worse than any caste discrimination.

The very motive to start this thread with an extreme view point that has no corroboration and then to vilify Gandhi (one of history's greatest humanists) is evidence enough of the hateful bigotry.

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Originally posted by Saeed:
Getting rid of the cast system in India will take generations of education.

Politics will never do it.

It is like trying to the Americans that they are really living in a Third World political system!

They won’t believe it.

Too brainwashed of being told there is nothing better out there.

Except genetics tell a different story. No blame can be laid on the British. The caste system fixed in place, peoples position 2000+ years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OfV16_xngQ&t=173s


Naki, you always fall back on blaming the worst possible motives of your fellow man, whilst expecting all of us to presume the best motives from yourself. Whilst you yourself lay race based blame on others.

Maybe my motive was something other than you proclaim.